HR 1388 Silence

Michelle - posted on 03/28/2009

Quoting Sheri:

You may not have noticed... but bill H.J. Res. 5 was introduced on Jan. 6th "Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President."

Obama forever...I think I just threw up in my mouth a little...

I've already written my Congressman and House Rep about HJ Resolution 5.  I made it clear that this constituent isn't interested in a KING Obama.

Jan - posted on 03/28/2009

I was on that line as well Sonia. That if the school took the funds then they better have a core of volunteers and those volunteers can not be involved in lobbying, protesting, etc.

I was just picking through this site and its pretty good. He also pulls out what some of the volunteers will get in return. Looks like a government funded commune!

http://www.e3gazette.com/2009/03/hr-1388...

Sonia - posted on 03/28/2009

Jan take a look at the sec 120 of 1388 or sec 125 also what thoughts come to mind on sec 1710. I'm with you too it's not completely clear and laid out who its talking to, but sec 120 seems to be saying special funding will go to the schools that do mandate these programs and well we know how bad schools want theier money. I see them making the volunteer program a requirement in order to get funding. Also i dont know about nationally but we have some public schools here in MI that already require so many volunteer hours in order to advance to the next grade and graduate. Oh, so many concerns...anyone else losing sleep over this???

Jan - posted on 03/28/2009

I'm still fuzzy on 1388. I have to sit and read the entire text. Its hard to see who they are directing the demands at, the actual individual or the schools, etc taking the funds. I do think that 1444 sounds far more sinister.

Christa - posted on 03/28/2009

That really horrify's me that this bill passed, he's trying to create a civilian army. I'm glad my daughter's only 1 right now. Hopefully by the time shes older we'll have gotten rid of this crap. Oh please hurry 2012!

Sheri - posted on 03/27/2009

The NEW threat is H.R.1444... they have taken all hint of mandatory service out of H.R.1388 and it is all "volunteerism" (for now)...

But look at what is in H.R.1444: Section 4 under Duties: "Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds." THEY are not going to let this rest... H.R.1444 was introduced on 3/11.

By the way... H.R.1388 (GIVE Act) has been renamed (The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act) and it was passed yesterday by the Senate - now it is off to the President.. Amendment #49 says this: Amendment to prohibit organizations from attempting to influence legislation; organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes; and assist, promote, or deter union organizing. I'm not completely sure what this has to do with anything???

Sheri - posted on 03/27/2009

If I understand what I'm reading on opencongress.org on Feb 09, 2009 it was referred to the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties. I know that this is not the first time that we have seen this amendment, but in light of all that is going on in government today it is VERY worrisome...

Jan - posted on 03/27/2009

Yeah that unlimited terms crap has GOT to go! Its why we are suffering with the WORST congress ever! I personally think that you're in and you're out. Screw the pension, the health care and the rest. Its service to your country, and you should not be entitled to more than say a PFC in the Army gets after four years of service. I mean the military is laying down its life, what are these idiots laying down? I have to read those more thoroughly. I thought on one site I read that it dod NOT pass, but it was the motion for cloture that passed and they were hoping to sneak it in later when no one was watching. I tell you we have a band of criminals stealing our country, one day at a time and I can't imagine why people aren't marking on the lawns of these asses in congress? Lets get ACORN to pay for our bus to picket on Barney Franks lawn!

Brenda - posted on 03/27/2009

OVER MY DEAD BODY!  It's time for a MARCH ON WASHINGTON!!!  Call ALL your reps!  They are going to try and railroad this through too!  I'm emailing everyone I know!

Sheri - posted on 03/27/2009

You may not have noticed... but bill H.J. Res. 5 was introduced on Jan. 6th "Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President."

Obama forever...I think I just threw up in my mouth a little...

Brenda - posted on 03/27/2009

Well, I'm hoping and praying that my kids are not going to be too affected by this.  My oldest will be 18 in 2013 and we will either have another Pres, or Obama will get his butt impeached.

I'm concerned because my son has already planned to serve a mission at the age of 19, and if he can't get out of his 'voluntary' work for the government, then he would not be able to do that..  Today is a very rough day for me....too much negative stuff to think about....

Sheri - posted on 03/26/2009

There are days where I go back and forth between standing up and saying NO MORE - THIS IS IT, WE'RE TAKING BACK OUR COUNTRY TODAY... and OK, take my 18-year old know-it-all, been-there-done-that-have-2-of-them, you-don't-know-anything son and let's see what THEY can do with him - LOL... I'm betting once his IBD flares and he spends hours in the bathroom and someone has to run countless trips to the local Walgreens to refill his meds they will be bringing him back home to mom and dad!!!

Don't even get me started on my daughter and her chronic headaches/migraines - she won't last a bus ride before they turn around and bring her home - LOL... Ya gotta laugh or you just might cry...

Elizabeth (the Instigator) - posted on 03/26/2009

you know, Obama stated in a speech that he wants the voluntary civil corps to be as powerful as our military! How and, more importantly, why does a corps of community volunteers have to be as strong as the army? Is boot camp really necessary to fill in at a soup kitchen, or coach underpriviliged children? Why are more Americans not asking these questions??

Sheri - posted on 03/26/2009

There are many reasons why H.R. 1388 scares me... Why do we need to spend $6 BILLION on a program of volunteerism. If people are giving of themselves wouldn't the cost be much less? Rahm Emanuel wrote a book in 2006 called "The Plan" where he wrote: "All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service." I don't suppose I will be able to exempt my children since I have been "volunteering" them in our church and around the community since they were very young? Probably not...

H.R. 1388 also states "if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were requited to perform a certain amount of nation service." This "would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds." This sure HINTS at mandatory participation and could explain the cost because of the needed training...

The legislation goes on to say that the "volunteers" would be: ... grouped together as appropriate in campuses for operational, support, and boarding purposes. The Corps campus for a unit shall be in a facility or central location established as the operational headquarters and boarding place for the unit. ... There shall be a superintendent for each camp." The legislation also refers to these volunteers wearing "uniforms" and discusses the need for a public service academy - a four-year institution that would train "public sector leaders."

Wow! My husband says they will have to come through him to get our kids...

I agree with Elizabeth, www.opencongress.org is a great site to keep an eye on Congress, bills and such...

Cheri - posted on 03/26/2009

It passed. Here's the info on how the vote went down:

http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_c...

You can bookmark this site and watch every vote they have. Here is the main address:

http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_c...

Brenda - posted on 03/26/2009

There is a bunch of info at the facebook group I joined .  Look up Stop H.R. 1388.  It sounds like a version of Hitler's Youth....very scary!

Elizabeth (the Instigator) - posted on 03/26/2009

While they seem to have taken the "mandate" word out of this bill, there are a couple of other bills still in congress which fill in the gaps. And, even without the actual word "mandate" here, there are other aspects to this bill that should frighten any parent of school age children; for example, initiatives to promote "volunteerism" within the curriculum of public schools and other schools that receive gov. funding. It truly sounds like an indoctrination technique under the guise of 'community service'.

Sonia - posted on 03/26/2009

http://rightsoup.com/tucked-into-obamas-...

I found this, this is scary

Sonia - posted on 03/26/2009

http://rightsoup.com/tucked-into-obamas-...

I found this, this is scary

Jan - posted on 03/26/2009

Many repubs voted FOR that one. I read through the votes on cloture yesterday and there was not a definite party division. I don't think it mandates service unless you receive federal funds/grants.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?...
Its a wordy one that I haven't had the time to read over. I heard it might not pass the next step even with the cloture. Check out the CBO costs on it too....a mere 481 million, drop in the bucket these days hey?

Sonia - posted on 03/26/2009

I have only heard of this briefly. I can't find any real info on it. Just a bunch of fear as to what could happen if this bill gets passed. But I am definitely concerned. It sounds to me that we will be forced into volunteerism. Volunteering is great, but when you are forced into it, thats unconstitutional. Also its not volunteering its forced labor. Am I right??

Elizabeth (the Instigator) - posted on 03/25/2009

If you go to OpenCongress.org and search HR 1388, you will get a good idea about what was in that bill, which was voted on today. No news yet how the vote went.

Michelle - posted on 03/25/2009

Isn't this the bill about volunteerism and such?  I haven't heard anything controversial about it - what am *I* missing??

Shelly - posted on 03/25/2009

Ok Elizabeth,

  I tried googling this bill and got bogged down in the mess can you please give me a brief summary on what this is concerning!!!  Thank You