Obama - One and DONE!

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JuLeah - posted on 06/28/2011

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It is already starting …. The campaign, I mean.



All the Obama bashing; Most of it starts with, “I’m not a racists, but …”



The only thing I am going to throw out as a ‘fact’ is that he was born in the United States of America and Hawaii IS a state.



His religion should NOT matter!!!!! I don’t care if he is Pagan, or Muslims, or Jewish (well, that’d be cool) or Buddhists, or Christian.



People accuse him of being Muslim like that is a bad thing … but they’re not bigoted.



That said, the point I really want to make it this. Why is there such a thing as a political debate?



None of us know enough ‘facts’ to debate anything.

Sure, we all watch the news, read yahoo updates, read the paper … but we all know that news sources are interested in ratings and make effort to appeal to their demographic.



The President can deliver a speech which will later be discussed on CNN or NPR, FOX news and the 700 club. From watching the news sources, you would think two different speeches were being discussed.

Facts, figures, statistics can all be twisted to say whatever the author wishes.



I have heard news sources make direct quotes that were not even actually in the speech.

So, news sources are not a reliable source for ‘factual information’



And, really, how could they be?



I mean, do we not understand that our government has information not shared with the general public?



National security means we don’t get to know all the dirty details.



So, the news sources are bias, they don’t have all the facts to report even if they were not bias, and what is our knowledge based even if we had more actual facts?



I took a few economic courses in college as was required, but ask me what I honestly understand about our economy, much less international economic issues.



How many of us really, for reals, understand what is happening in the Middle East. We all have opinions. Some of us have been there fighting, but what do we really actually know about the politics?



Even if we tapped into our nations national secrets and gained some insight, we don’t know what the others guys are really thinking.



So, what does a political debate come down to?



My opinion, emotional appeal. We like to tell ourselves we are educated, in the know, and cast our vote based on logic, but I have yet to see that pan out.

When George W ran, he was strongly supported by people who required government programs like assisted housing, SSI, and food stamps for their day to day survival. These folks supported W. even though, he promised to make huge cuts to those very programs.



That was fascinating for me to watch. I kept asking, ‘Why?” and watching such folks when interviewed on the nightly news hoping for answers.



W. ran a smart campaign. He spoke out against abortion.



Now, there was NO way he was going to actually over turn Roe vs. Wade, but he sure got people fired up about it.



W became the guy that was going to save all the unborn babies and people got behind that.



If abortion was not their thing; no big. He also talked about prayer in school, gay rights, and immigration.

Candidates appeal to our emotions. It doesn’t hurt of they are also attractive. The first televised debate between Nixon and Kennedy brought that point home.



So, to be clear, when we fight, we are not fighting over any kind of fact. We disagree in an emotional arena.



I support Obama. I don’t support him because I have vast knowledge of economics and feel his plan of action is what our country needs. I don’t support him because I agree with all he has done, is doing, overseas.



I support him because I believe he actually cares about the people of this nation. I support him because I believe he has a kind heart. I support him because I believe he takes his duty to serve this nation seriously and will do so to the best of his ability.



I support him because the alternative scares the hell out of me.

JuLeah - posted on 06/28/2011

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You're off your rock .... look at the bigger picture (people) -

Jodi - posted on 06/29/2011

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That possibly has something to do with the way you treat people. After all, not even your own members want to have discussion with you - 43,000 members and only 5 or 6 who seem to have anything to say? The others are probably too scared to comment in case they disagree with you and end up shot down, exactly as you have done to several people in this thread.

JuLeah - posted on 06/28/2011

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Hey, I responded to a post that popped up bashing Obama .... I was not a member of the community and really don't belong. I was not even aware I could respond to a post for a community to which I did not belong.


Anyway, my comment got a lot of positive feedback and the OP asked a question.

To reply, I had to join. So, temp. I did, responded and will now unjoin .... I don’t want hate in my life …..

Jodi - posted on 06/29/2011

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Has it occurred to you that I am not active in that group? I can't tell you the last time I posted there. But no, with all your sleuthing, you knew that didn't you? I am also not American, and know very little about your politics. I read posts to learn more, I am unlikely to contribute to a political discussion, but there is no rule about that. I read posts there, I read posts here. Big deal!



You ladies are a piece of work. If you don't want people wandering in and commenting, close the group. You state you want people to comment on topic, JuLeah did, and you made sure that she understood that because she doesn't agree with you, she isn't welcome. You are accusing people of abusing admin powers, trolling, you name it. You ladies are absolutely paranoid, and to be quite frank, extremely rude. Who would WANT to be a member of this group with that kind of welcome?

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Kathy - posted on 03/19/2012

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I agree, but who knows what tricks will be played when it gets closer to the election. I really can't believe that more people aren't waking up to all the lies that seem to be growing daily. The problem is the media (except for Fox and maybe a few others) aren't carrying all the news. They should be made to do their real job of reporting the good and bad of both sides. That way more people would be aware of what's really going on and can then make an educated decision when they go to vote. I can only pray that more people pay attention and this will be his first and last term. Otherwise, we're in for some real problems and loss of freedoms.

Tamara - posted on 10/24/2011

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Hmm..maybe Obama's supporters will get it if they hear the words come right out of his mouth since they seem to hang on every word he says?

Tamara - posted on 09/18/2011

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This from Barack's hometown.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/polit...,0,5039308.story

"His approval rating is at its lowest level ever. His party just lost two House elections — one in a district it had held for 88 consecutive years. He's staked his future on the jobs bill, which most Americans don't think would work.

The vultures are starting to circle. Former White House spokesman Bill Burton said that unless Obama can rally the Democratic base, which is disillusioned with him, "it's going to be impossible for the president to win." Democratic consultant James Carville had one word of advice for Obama: "Panic."

But there is good news for the president. I checked the Constitution, and he is under no compulsion to run for re-election. He can scrap the campaign, bag the fundraising calls and never watch another Republican debate as long as he's willing to vacate the premises by Jan. 20, 2013.

That might be the sensible thing to do. It's hard for a president to win a second term when unemployment is painfully high. If the economy were in full rebound mode, Obama might win anyway. But it isn't, and it may fall into a second recession — in which case voters will decide his middle name is Hoover, not Hussein. Why not leave of his own volition instead of waiting to get the ax?"

Tamara - posted on 08/06/2011

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The United States of America has had a AAA credit rating since 1917. That rating survived WWI, the Great Depression, World War II, The Korean War, Vietnam, Jimmy Carter, 9-11, and those "unfunded" wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. It couldn't survive less than one term of the current White House occupant's misguided policies...

If you voted for Obama to prove you were not racist....you will need to vote for someone else in 2012.... to prove you are not an idiot!

Christina - posted on 07/30/2011

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I can not wait til these 4yrs are over. I'm just afraid he is going to mess our country up so badly that there will be no recovery! The medical field is suffering so badly. I don't think Obama realizes that staying on the path he is, he is going to lose such a vast majority of his medical field in this country it won't be funny. I will not stay in a field where my rights are cut as is my salary. I am already underpaid as a nurse, and will not settle to work for less money than I already make.

Tamara - posted on 07/27/2011

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‎"If you were to hire a money-manager, that NOT ONLY lost all your money, but managed to put your children and grand-children in debt up to their eyebrows...would you fire him? Or would you re-elect him to public office? You would if you were an uneducated to the "proper role of government" knucklehead." - from a friend of a friend

Tamara - posted on 07/22/2011

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Hmm..come to think of it, how many other of Bush's "abhorrent" practices/policies has Obama continued???

Tamara - posted on 07/22/2011

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Oh and HOW could I forget??
12) The Obama administration has spent more than ALL past administrations COMBINED (in over 200 years) in just the past 2 years.

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush...

He basically just walked through the door that Bush opened when he also had the choice to close that door.

Tamara - posted on 07/22/2011

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1.) Until this administration, no president was an island unto himself with a royalty mentality.
2.) Past presidents followed the law and constitution more (notice I didn't say with 100% accuracy) accurately, they didn't implement loop-holes as dramatically helter-skelter as this one has in his short time.
3.) Past presidents didn't have anywhere as many highly paid Czars, nor any Czars who had ultimate control over as much money.
4.) No past president signed as many "Executive Orders" as this one, especially the type of EOs this one has that bypass the House and Senate with edicts to spend more money than our country can handle.
5.) No past First Ladies had anywhere near as many "Personal Assistants" as this one.
6.) None in the past have done as much globetrotting as this one (even on their own nickel). She beats out even Jackie-O).
7.) None have taken as large of an entourage wherever they went as this one.
8.) No past president has done as much double speak and bamboozling of the public as this one. Clinton comes close with "define sex" and then answering "not with this woman" (because her name was different at the time he was boinkin' her and they didn't ask in generic terms).
9.) No past president had a financier and personal mentor who is a Socialist, who hates America, who has publicly stated that he wants to see America fall.
10.) No past president has ever bowed to another dignitary or head of state.
11.) No past president has ever given an image of themselves as a gift to a leader of a country they were visiting.

Tamara - posted on 07/20/2011

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Don't hold your breath Jen. If anything it will just give them the excuse they want/need to lock down this thread...*sigh*

Jennifer - posted on 07/19/2011

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@Tammy Just trying to be honest. I also flagged it for admin as a personal attack. We'll see if she does anything about it.

Jennifer - posted on 07/19/2011

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@Petra. This is a conservative/republican group. Please take your vitriol elsewhere.

Tamara - posted on 07/14/2011

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He is not a real leader. He is most definitely not the kind of leader we need.

http://pubsecrets.wordpress.com/2011/07/...

"The Majority Leader recounted that toward the end of the discussions President Obama instructed negotiators to “get in the mode” because a final decision would have to be made by Friday. Cantor said he told the president that the two sides remain so far apart at this point that he doubted they could get to $2.5 trillion in cuts (to match the debt increase requested by the administration, enough to get through the 2012 election) given the time available. President Obama has said he will not sign any increase to the debt ceiling less than that amount, and Cantor had previously insisted that the House would vote no more than one time to increase the debt limit. Cantor said he was willing to abandon his position in order to allow some kind of short-term measure to increase the debt limit and reassure credit markets while negotiations continue, and asked the president if he would be willing to consider this option.

At this point, Cantor explained, the president became “very agitated” and said he had “sat here long enough,” that “Ronald Reagan wouldn’t sit here like this” and “something’s got to give.” Obama then told Republicans they either needed to compromise on their insistence on a dollar for dollar ratio of spending cuts to debt increase or agree to a “grand bargain” including massive tax increases. Before walking out of the room, Cantor said, the president told him: “Eric, don’t call my bluff. I’m going to the American people with this.” He then “shoved back” and said “I’ll see you tomorrow.”

What a joke!

Tamara - posted on 07/08/2011

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Wow! This is quite a list! I found a video that helps sum it all up nicely.

Jodi - posted on 07/06/2011

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I wouldn't want to live in America in a fit. Not sure where the arrogance comes from that everyone is jealous. LMFAO!!!!

Gianina - posted on 07/06/2011

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Jodi, I had to join in with the discussion of other countries hating W Bush. Actually, the dictators hate 'conservative' belief . The only reason why dictators like Obama or any liberal president is because they believe of government control, especially if the 'dictators' has FULL control. There are many countries that believe in 'smaller government'. And as for Countries that don't like AMERICA...is because they are jealous that they don't have the FREEDOM. Why is it that many wants to live here?? To have a better life for their family.

Brenda - posted on 06/30/2011

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Actually I have been out of the country and 'around the block' so to speak. I have never had anyone treat me badly because I was American. I actually got enthusiastic reactions.



As for facts - do you realize that most polls are done asking people's OPINIONS regarding a person or issue? Do you realize that their opinions will be colored by what they truly know or do not know about said person or issue? I realize I posted a piece with poll numbers in it, but here is the fact we must all swallow, then I am done debating this with you since this is NOT a debate forum.



The fact is this - there is a large portion in any population that is not very well educated on the issues (because of misinformation that is put out) and in that fact lies the problem with getting accurate poll numbers or votes that should truly reflect a candidates qualifications for office.



Regarding yoru third link: so what if Bush has a strong southern accent - or even speech impediment issue? I don't know, are you are going to be so petty as to judge a man by how he speaks? Did you not listen to the clip that I posted above? Obama is stammering all over himself in it.



Bottom line - Obama has SPENT more than ALL the past presidents combined.



http://www.usdebtclock.org/



Do you truly not understand the ramifications of that? Think on it because I'm done debating. If I was looking for debate, I would go to the debate forums here on COM.

Tammy - posted on 06/30/2011

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@Brenda, What I find interesting is that his biggest supporters (foriegn countries) are starting to get irritated with his inept meddling.:)

Now a word from our "safe Group Czar":
While looking at a post from the feed they give us on the right I came across this little gem from 2009:

http://www.circleofmoms.com/political-de...

The really good part is actually the first comment:
"Traci, I'm going to be completely honest and say that a lot of comments you ladies make over here are so beyond me that I don't even know how to discuss them with you guys...they are just so far off from how I feel I"m rendered speechless. You folks are pretty conservative and while I do like to debate with you guys, sometimes I need to talk about it amongst my own people, just to digest, because I don't understand how you guys can feel the way you do, and discussing it with you sometimes doesn't help me to understand either. Plus, I think Joy and I feel a little outnumbered over here, sometimes we need support from folks that are like-minded. Of course, I can only speak for myself, but that's how I feel."

The reason I find it interesting is that this is what the people of this group have been saying ever since before I came in. So it's ok for a liberal to have a "space" to talk safely with like minded individuals but noone else can?

I really just had to post this here in light of the way this post went for awhile. If you don't like the way we post in our group then you are free to go somewhere else, we're not stopping you. If you want to discuss things without the crap then you are welcome to join in. We're just sick of all the bullying and name calling. When a discussion is going to go back and forth try to follow this guide: What do you believe, why do you believe it, what's your source if you can think of it at the time, remove the name calling before you hit "post". It's not rocket science. And now back to our regularly scheduled programing.:)

Jodi - posted on 06/30/2011

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Given we are posting links:



http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/...



http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/1...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/g...



I don't know if you've ever been outside your own country, but George W did no-one any favours with respect to the view many foreigners have of Americans.



In the eyes of the world, he is the biggest joke you ever had. So claiming Obama is the biggest joke of a president is not factual.

Brenda - posted on 06/30/2011

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http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-Ne...

"Right-wing commentators in the US may say Obama's an opponent of Israel, and polls in the Jewish state itself show he's deeply distrusted there (60 percent of Israelis polled this spring said Obama was "seeking to improve relations with Arab states at the expense of Israel"), but The Brookings Institution's annual poll of Arabic public opinion, released today, shows that Obama's approval rating has plunged in the region over the past year faster and further than anywhere else.

In the US, Obama's "favorable rating" has plunged from about 70 percent at the time of his election to about 44 percent today, according to Pollster.com's aggregate of major US polls. But the standing of the president who was once the world's darling has slipped globally as well, and nowhere is that more evident than in the Arab states. "

Jodi - posted on 06/30/2011

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Oh, I don't know that I agree with you there. The rest of the world thought George W was a pretty big joke.

Brenda - posted on 06/30/2011

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I wouldn't post a video if I didn't agree with it, Dana. Sometimes I do have other things to do (as in MOST of the time), so I don't always post a 3 page comment with them. I believe the video speaks for itself. It's just another illustration of why Obama is THE biggest joke of a president we have ever had and that is saying something since we have people like Wilson, Hoover, FDR, and Carter as some who could be his competition on the list.

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At least she typed something rather than just posting links and videos. Do you have any of your own thoughts you'd like to share?

Sherri - posted on 06/30/2011

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After reading what I had written in haste you are correct it does include two different subjects. I guess on the economy I am coming from the demand side. If people are not working there is no demand for goods. I advocate that giving companies money that are not producing because of no demand is a waste I say it should go to the people that are going to buy the products. I also say the situation we are in is not all Obama's fault and that there is plenty of blame to be spread around. Who says what ever emergency tactics the Republicans would have tried would have worked?

On the abortion issue I am totally for it if the woman is raped or it is incest. As another form of birth control I am not for it. However, who am I to force my beliefs on someone else in this matter?

Brenda - posted on 06/30/2011

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Sherri is probably supporting Obama because he supports killing babies in the womb when they are unwanted. But, like you Christa, I find her post unorganized, confusing and quite a bit off topic.

Christa - posted on 06/30/2011

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@Sherri, you post confused me a bit. Are you supporting Obama? And how did abortion come into play? I'm truly confused. . . . .

Sherri - posted on 06/30/2011

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Everybody can put up a brilliant defense against Obama The only trouble is if someone else had been in a republican let's say we would have cut the unemployed loose a long time ago. No one would be buying things because they don't have the money to buy and things would be going deeper in the hole. A lot of the deficit was inherited by Obama. However, if we had elected a republican the companies that are not producing because of lack of business would stll be not producing with more money in the bank because the republicans gave them the money. There would have been less money given to people to buy the products. Oh and another thing if any of you know someone that has been raped they would be made to feel like they asked for it. They would have to have the baby no abortions . They would be reminded the whole 9 months of what happened to them. Because they would be made to feel like criminals asking for an abortion. Who would cover the cost of this to the family, if the wife or daughter, or granddaughter were raped? If you are a mom would you want to endanger your daughter's live to have this baby? Would the rapist get visitation rights? Is this what we as women really want?

Tammy - posted on 06/29/2011

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Jodi, Juleah's post was a repost from somewhere else. I've seen her post it elsewhere with a few of her own comments attached. The intent was to cause strife. She got what she wanted. Enough said. When you have a problem like this for as long as it has gone on you really can't expect people to not fight back. That is why it is like this here. If you look for any length of time at any posts between the real members of this group (ie: not the ones who are members soley in order to stir the pot), then you will see that we have some good back and forth going without all the crap. It only happens when someone jumps in and starts fanning the flames and making personal attacks. Since they go by so many profiles and names, well, it makes it difficult to say the least. However, it doesn't usually take long to spot them, they can't fake it for long. As soon as you say something like "I don't like Obama's policies" I give them about 5 minutes before they are compelled to yell "racist". As we have said before, this group was made for similar minded people to discuss things. If they had wanted a PDM they would have made one or just stayed on PDM. It all still comes down to them bullying those they don't agree with and chasing them down to do it. Apparently it's the only joy they get in their lives, otherwise why would they still be at it? This is all observable, there isn't a single thing that can't be varified just by reading through old posts. I found it, so have others, there will be more.

Jodi - posted on 06/29/2011

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Probably because I actually didn't realise, until you pointed it out, that I WAS still a member. I thought I had included it in my cull last time I removed a bunch of communities I don't participate in *shrug*. Whatever. I just didn't think it was very nice the way Brenda spoke to JuLeah when JuLeah very innocently stumbled on this thread and provided her viewpoint. I thought it was rather unfair to make the accusations that were made because there was no truth in them.

Tammy - posted on 06/29/2011

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No offense Jodi but You're the one who said you weren't a member. I can only go off what you say. So if you don't tell the truth or you can't remember what groups you're in then that's not my problem, it's yours. It's also very obvious that begining with your second post (noone had actually directed any comments your way as yet) you started going off on us. It certianly fits the profile.

And for the record to all the other lefties, while not many come here to post anymore because of the liberal attacks, we are quite active together in other areas that aren't on COM so sorry, but it's not us, it really is the ones who come here specifically to attack. Since it's obvious you hate us and can't stand our views why do you all keep coming back?! I have never been able to understand that one. I can't even count how many times we've been told you guys are leaving and not coming back, yet here you are still and again. Don't you have anything better to do? Can't you find anything better to talk about in your own group? Go get a life and leave us to ours! If you continue to respond then EVERYONE will know that you really just can't live without us:) So please, prove to everyone that we are nothing to you and stay away!

Brenda - posted on 06/29/2011

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Isn't he supposed to be The One who unifies everyone to help get the job done? Yet he is shirking his duty and not getting involved with the mess Congress supposedly made. Well, it wasn't but a few short years ago that HE was part of Congress. He has just as much mud on his hands as they do.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2...

Jodi - posted on 06/29/2011

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Or to respond to the thread in a way you don't agree with and then be accused of being a troll and told they aren't welcome......but anyhoo...I'll let you get back to your self indulgence.

Brenda - posted on 06/29/2011

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By the way, as far as 'making the group private', I would if I could, but as it seems we have to Admins who are MIA and we can't get through to them.

Brenda - posted on 06/29/2011

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The reason others don't contribute is because of the way the admin handled this group over a year ago and any newcomers soon learned that the community was basically dead because leftists like to come in and derail the thread.

So, back on topic.

http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2011/06/u...

Brenda - posted on 06/29/2011

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Hmm..seems like the only ones getting offended on this thread are leftists. Oh well, bye bye!

Isobel - posted on 06/29/2011

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Us lefties are always here...it does amuse us from time to time when strangers fall into your lair and you pounce on them. just sayin ;) Now I'll be gone again

Tammy - posted on 06/29/2011

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It might have something to do with PDM being listed as one of the communities you belong to? As for nastiness...I think your associating posts with the wrong people. The only nastiness belongs to the ones who like to come here and pick fights. We stay here, they follow. No nastiness here, it just is what it is. In fact, As far as I can tell it's usually the bullies that come here who tend to interject the profanity from time to time and utilize some pretty nasty name calling. Maybe not on this particular thread but if it comes out it's generally not the home group. They personally attack the ladies here, that is why our threads go off topic. They don't stick with the topic of the thread, they start attacking the home group.



I spent a good week looking through old posts here and in a few other groups and it was pretty obvious what was going on. The liberal/progressives can't stay away no matter how many times we inform then that this is a group for those who consider themselves Conservative Republicans (both together not one or the other). IF someone else wants to pipe in once in awhile ON THE TOPIC and in a civil manner then fine, but the incessant personal attacks are really uncalled for and create a very hostile atmosphere. I'm pretty sure most would agree that we have a right to defend ourselves as well. It's not like we go looking for them, as I said, they come here of their own free will.

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