Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi.... The spiritual leader of the muslim brotherhood
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Tammy - posted on 02/12/2011
I would point out that Abraham "thought" he had to say that. He was "afraid" they would kill him for her. He wasn't showing faith in God at that moment. We all go through that at times. I'm sure he kicked himself over it.
The cultural custom of the time was that a wife might offer a servant to her husband if she wasn't producing offspring herself. As a way to give him children and kind of "save face" so to speak. They had already been told that they would have a son together but they became impatient. The culture of the day also permmitted more than one wife although that was never God's plan. God has always held that marriage was to be between one man and one woman. Doesn't mean he didn't recognize a covenant made with a second wife but there also isn't one example of multiple wives where there isn't strife. While his will is "the two shall be made one flesh" he does allow us to do stupid things and hopefully learn from them. Like when the Isrealites kept clammering for a king and he said "you don't need one you have me", they still wanted one because everyone else had one. So he gave them one and look what ended up happening.
I always end up having to explain to some people who like to cherry pick scripture (like some family members) that while the Bible is 100% true, it also shows, uses, points out bad examples as well as good. Is it true that Satan said ...... yes, but he was lying! Yes Daniel was called a man after God's own heart, but that doesn't mean that what he did with Bathsheba was a good idea! That's usually when they get that deer in the headlights look, kinda like they lost the ability to understand English. Go figure.
Brenda - posted on 02/10/2011
Remember that Hagar was forgetting her place and trying to put herself above Sarah, because she 'technically' had Abraham's first born son. She enjoyed that somewhat elevated status until Isaac was born. Then when Sarah had had enough of Hagar's nonsense, she demanded that she be sent away with Ishmael, since she couldn't seem to remember her place.
Abraham sent them off with provisions, but the distance she had to cross in the wilderness to Egypt was great and there came a time when she ran out of provisions and left Ishmael under a bush and went off a little ways because she couldn't bear seeing him die from hunger/thirst (which i find odd because if I was in that situation, I would want to hold my child in our last moments). Then angel Gabriel came to her and promised her that he would live and his descendants would be great in number.
So, this is what I believe may have happened (from here on out it's just my speculation because we don't have a whole lot to go on). When I studied the scriptures about the story of Hagar and Ishmael, you can kind of see where Hagar was full of pride. She thought that Ishamel would be Abraham's heir and have all the 'perks' that came with that position. But it wasn't to be and because of her pride, she began to make waves in the family unit. So since Sarah was the matriarch of the family and did not want any more of the drama, she sent her off.
Think about how you would feel....being sent off into the wilderness with your young son, not confident at all that you will cover the distance to Egypt and fearful at leaving what was her 'home'. You could see how her pride could have easily turned into hate.
Mother's are very influential and I believe that she passed on that hate to Ishmael as she recounted the story to him as he got older. Hate opens doors for more evil and my opinion is that Muhammad was visited by something other than a heavenly messenger. - that's my opinion.
Gina - posted on 02/12/2011
Abraham had to tell the Pharaoh that Sarah was his sister, so that he wouldn't kill Abraham to have her. Hagar was given to her then, to be her servant. It is weird that she would give her servant to Abraham to have a son with him. I know I couldn't ever do that, but I know the thinking back then was obviously different!
Tammy - posted on 02/11/2011
It also shows consequences to being impatient to God's timing. God told them they would have a son but as she got older Sara got impatient and offered her slave/servant to Abraham. Hagar was most likely part of whta was given to them from when Sara was taken, because they thought she was Abraham's sister not wife (although that wasn't completely a lie, I think they were at least halvsies.) Got to love the barely branching family tree don't you?:)
Gina - posted on 02/10/2011
Wow, I know all about Abraham and Hagar, I just didn't think that would be why they feel they are victim. It is just interesting to me, to see how they can hold on to something that long, and not forget about it. It is especially strange to me, that they do that, because if they believe what they do, why would that matter. Don't they believe you can make your own destiny?? It is just strange to me.
Gina - posted on 02/10/2011
I need to study up more on Muslims. What I don't understand is how they feel they are the victims to the jews. Especially don't understand it, when he talks about how the Jews got punished by Hitler, and he was glad that the Nazi's did what they did. I don't care what you believe, but whenever you think it is good that there was a genocide of a certain people, that is wrong.
Tammy - posted on 02/09/2011
Duh! (with sarcasm:)) I think if everyone were deaf we'd have a better chance. They'd only be able to see what the idiots were doing and wouldn't be confused by what was being said (ie: the opposite) since they are two totally different things!
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