the problem is the welfare system

Brandy - posted on 03/11/2010 ( 161 moms have responded )

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I think something needs to be do about the welfare system. I see fat people in Walmart with shopping carts full of frozen pizzas, pop, chips, pudding, and anything else you could think of that are using food stamps to pay. These are the same people that have cellphones, cable, internet, designer cloths, expensive acrylic nails, expensive jewelry, gold teeth and are collecting disability. I say we bring back the government food lines where you get the necessities. Also ( I haven't looked much into this but as far as I know they don't do this) why aren't insurance companies reimbursing for people who use vitamins? They pay for prescriptions that can cost over $1000 a month and once you go on one prescription yo usually have to go on 4 more to counteract the side side effects of the first, second, and third ones. I know my vitamins cost $100 a month, that is a 10th of the cost that they are paying in prescriptions. I know that some people don't use the system like that but a lot of people do and It's a vicious cycle. We should be doing more to get these people off welfare. Like offer bonuses for communities that fewer people on welfare, give that money to homeless shelters in the area, reserve a certain amount of city jobs for people that are on welfare so they can come off it. We also need to do something about immigration and high lawsuits. Sorry this is long I am just mad and ranting. Anyone else feel the same way?

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Cassie - posted on 08/10/2010

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i'm totally for ramdom drug testing if you have any form of goverment help-if you fail youre done or have to take some kind of class and then prove youeself...way way way too many people abuse it and i think you should have to speak english to receive any as well...but thats just me

Kathy - posted on 03/16/2010

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I agree that the Medicaid system definatly needs to be overhauled. However, I have an issue with anyone telling a person what they can or can't buy with the benefits they are receiving. As sad as it is, most of them are simply trying to make their allotment stretch for the entire month. Unhealthy food is alot cheaper than healthy food. When you can buy a 4 pack of pudding for 1.00, you've got 4 treats for your kids, verses 1 or 2 apples for the same pice, or a 6 pack of apple sacue for 3.00. You can buy frozen pizza's for a couple of dollars, and that will feed 2 or 3 kids. The system needs to be revamped to help those who are trying to help themselves. Sadley, most on welfare do not have the skills to get a job that pays more than minimum wage, and a family cannot live on that. Education and training for a better paying job, and then assistance that actually encourages work, instead of discouraging it needs to happen.

Sierra - posted on 04/02/2012

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wow... you are some evil heartless women... do you even know how hard it is to get assistance these days? I have 2 jobs and I get 16 a month in food assistance. I suppose since I spend it on juice boxes and snacks, you would all look down your noses at me for that The bottom line is, you have all kinds of opinions and you make all kinds of assumptions, but you don't know how much is being spent on stamps and how much is being spent out of pocket.... and since you are mean spirited, hateful, and judgmental, you are to good to admit you are wrong, not everyone is a scammer or a cheater, because you would then have to admit..wow, I am a hateful, spiteful, ignorant piece of work. Which of you blithering idiots ever wondered where you would be if your husband left you and you had to do it all on your own? Trust me, my ex and I made over 100 grand a year, but he decided to run off with a little 29 year old girl. So guess what, I had to go back to work and yes apply for food assistance... now I work and I do the best that I can but I do need the help to cover school lunch, I can't afford that. So by many of your guidelines, I must be a horrible piece of shit mother, because I do not use my 16 bucks how you think I should.... Really? you are disgusting excuses for human beings, you don't know what anyone's situation is, you assume. I hope you are never demeaned the way you demean others, your comments are degrading and hurtful. All you idiots talking about overhauls, you ever go through the demoralizing process of applying and asking for help? I hate being on food assistance, but I can't afford not to be. I sure as hell shouldn't be looked down on because of it . Jobs are hard to come by and I am glad I have them, even though I am way over qualified for them, I am bringing something in, now you evil witches make me ashamed to work over 70 hours a week and have 2 jobs and be on food assistance for school lunch and 16.00 a month so I can provide a little extra for my son, oh hell I pay taxes too, but NO NO NO I don't deserve a cent.. right? Stop assuming, you do not know anyone elses situation so you can't judge because you are behind them in a line at the store.

Gina - posted on 07/01/2011

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The problem that we have with welfare, are the people who make it a lifestyle choice, instead of a hand up. I know people who will make sure they work under 40 hrs. a week so they can still get their govt. welfare. It is sad really, we need to do something so it isn't so easy to live off of. There are definitely people who find themselves in a bad situation, who have to go on it to feed their family. In those cases, I do not object. It is when the system gets abused, which it does on a daily basis. Our politicians are to blame as well, they want people to be dependent upon the government, because if they look like they are pro-welfare or any kind of government handout, then it secures their vote for them. It has become a vicious cycle.

Northern - posted on 01/05/2013

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I agree with you Kathryn on many points.. The outrageous lawsuits need to stop. The goverments should focus on welfare fraud. As a matter of fact, I have started a discussion on Free Dominion titled Should Welfare Recipients Lose Their Right to Vote ... even though you may not agree with the title you might like to check it out.

Welfare should be a temporary fix and the focus should fall on reintegrating welfare recipients back into the workforce. Unfortunately, the problem is very complex and so long we have career politicians with communist agendas I don't see an end in sight.

I believe universal medical coverage is not a one size fits all system. USA has a big problem with illegal immigration. About 62 percent of illegals, or about 6.5 million, lack health insurance, compared to 14 percent of Americans. Furthermore, United States is the only North American nation who does not require an ID to vote ...

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American - posted on 09/16/2014

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Work in retail and wish this so called government would research this. Michelle Obama wants kids to be healthier then stop the use of food stamps for junk. Also need to help those who help themselves rather then letting people live off the system. Could use the help but because we both work we can't get it.What is wrong with this system? Everything!

Sam - posted on 04/30/2014

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I think people should be able to buy whatever they want with food stamps. You dont know everyones life story. I'm 20 and on food stamps. I have a job but I also live on my own and my rent is 990 a month not including utilities or electricity. I use my food stamps to buy whatever my heart desires. I dont have the luxury of eating candy and chips often because the cost of living is so expensive and I am only getting paid minimum wage. So you bet I'll use my food stamps for sweets and junk food sometimes. No one has any right to judge anyone on welfare. Put yourself in other peoples shoes before you speak so harshly about them.

Ginger - posted on 10/14/2013

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Do not be embarrassed. No one knows what the future holds. God will bless you and your family.

Ginger - posted on 10/14/2013

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There are tons of whites on welfare hunny and I mean tons, so you shouldn't have been embarrassed. It is embarrassing not to be able to feed your children. Those comments arn't nice. They sound racist. Stop being so proud. Someone is always going to judge someone else. To a rich person, you're nothing, to a wealthy person, a rich person is nothing, to a middle class person, poor people arn't nothing. You know one thing we all have in common? God made us and one day, we all must answer to him. Good day.

Ginger - posted on 10/14/2013

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Anyone rich or poor can and does abuses drugs and some of them may work for the government

Ginger - posted on 10/14/2013

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I do not know how people are saying that welfare people abuse the system when they ask for documents, social security numbers, birth certificates, etc.and I would think by someone giving out those documents that it would be pretty hard to use the system plus you can get fines and jail time. Who in their right mind is willing to do jail time for a bag of cheetos? That's scary. yikes!

Ginger - posted on 10/14/2013

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And, what make you believe that all of your tax dollars go for people on welfare? Everyone on welfare is not a crack addict. DO YOU KNOW THAT MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORK MINIMUM WAGE JOBS GET ASSISTANCE?

Ginger - posted on 10/14/2013

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You should become a baby making factory if you think you should. Go for it! And, when you do, I will not complain that my taxes are taking care of you too.If you are living from check to check as the most of us, what make you think that you are taking care of anyone? Alot of welfare people work, pay taxes too, and bills like mortgages, utilities, etc.

Ginger - posted on 10/14/2013

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join them. Why do you care what people eat or wear anyways? Hun, your tax dollars are going for more than that. What about rich people? Get mad at them. So, I supppose welfare mothers are supposed to be dressed in torn and dirty clothes right? Then you talk about junk food. Maybe the junk is easier to buy then expensive healthy food. You guys really do not know anyone's circumstance. For all you know, they could had those nice clothes ten years before they went on welfare. Who died and made you god? I hope that you do not end up a welfare queen. Most women who get welfare anyways work. These jobs do not pay enough to hardly buy soap for your a$$. Everyone pays taxes. I guess it's better for yours to go for rich people. You are poor yourself most likely, get over it and learn to pray for people instead of judge. You'll get your money back anyways when you file your earned income tax credits.

Ginger - posted on 10/14/2013

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You sound a bit jealous and ignorant. They could have always had those nice clothes before getting on assistance and could do their nails themselves. I guess welfare people have to be dressed dirty so they can be furtherly judged and no i'm not on welfare if you wonder and you better hope that doesn't happen to you either Mrs. Bigshot.

Ginger - posted on 10/14/2013

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The majority of individuals receiving assistance is working individuals who have work that pay little of nothing, so most of you who are judging people should qualify too.

Linda - posted on 07/10/2013

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I was on welfare and I hated it!!! I was raised in a home full of abuse of every kind. I moved out when I was 17 yrs old. I had worked summer jobs from the time I was 13. When I was 17, I was in my senior year of high school, was working in an office after school every day and was renting a room in a house. Around March of my senior year, 3 things happened: 1) my guidance counselor told me no matter what I did, I would not graduate 2) a patient at the hospital (actually a home for the mentally disabled) where I worked struck me in the side of my head 3) I found out I was pregnant.
I quit my job and school and went on welfare. My daughter was born Jan 1 the next year. My daughter’s father left us around the time my daughter was 2 yrs old; he never paid child support because he did not work; he did however sign paternity papers when I was pregnant but he was 1 yr younger than me so when I took him to court for child support later he claimed he didn’t remember signing the papers and because he was a minor, it didn’t count. When my daughter turned 2 yrs old, I was able to put her into a daycare center that was based on income and I went to work as a nurse's aide in a nursing home. About 2-1/2 years later, I had to move; I was in a bad relationship, starting to party too much, and getting into trouble due to bad influences around me; I had my daughter to raise and that was the most important thing to me at that time. I could not keep my job as I had no car. So I quit my job, went back on welfare and moved about 30 miles away. I was accepted into the nursing program at a local community college. Unfortunately there were no programs at that time to assist with purchasing the books I needed for school, so I had to back out of the nursing program. I could not afford the books on my own; my welfare check was a total of $425 and my monthly rent was $350. I also received $99 in food stamps each month. Although I could not attend nursing school, the welfare office helped me find a school for low income families where I could learn basic clerical/office skills. After one year of training, I was ready to look for a job. I found one at a large company and started at $4.76 per hour. I was thrilled to be able to get off welfare and support myself and my daughter without any further government assistance. But it wasn’t easy. I had my young daughter and no transportation. I woke each morning at 5:30 to get her ready for school, walked her to the babysitters house about a mile away, walked back to my house, where a work commuter van picked me up and took me to work; then I did the reverse at the end of the day. Winter, summer, weather didn’t matter. I went to work every single day. I have worked in my administrative career ever since so for the past 26 years I have been gainfully employed. I rarely call out sick – have probably taken less than 15 sick days in my 26 year administrative career.
Now my daughter is married with children of her own. She had her son at the age of 18 and he is 16 yrs old now. She left him with his father when he was 2 yrs old (because she needed “to sew her wild oats”) and she moved in with an alcoholic. My daughter has held a number of short term jobs; it appears as though she really does not want to work, calls out frequently for poor reasons: waitressing for about 6 months, went to school for nurse’s aide and worked at that for about 6 months, worked in housekeeping at a large hotel for about 2 months, worked security at a casino for about 6 months. She was fired from each job for calling out too frequently. For the past 5 years she has been working doing tax returns but only works Jan15 to Apr15 each year since so only 3 months out of each year. She married her current husband 5 years ago and has 2 daughters with him (both births paid for my state medical assistance); they are currently 6 ½ and 2 ½ yrs old. Her husband also has a poor work ethic. He was employed when she met him and had a $100,000 trust fund from his grandparents that was to be given to him when he turned 26 yrs old. When she became pregnant with her first daughter, her now-husband was on extended business travel. She called him and told him to quit his job and come home because she was pregnant. He did quit his job. My daughter then informed me of her pregnancy and that she was getting married – and the budget for the wedding was his $100,000 trust fund. (He still has not received the trust fund and I paid for the food and some other expenses for their wedding.) He has also had 2 vehicles repossessed prior to meeting my daughter. He got a job at a grocery store in the produce department which he kept for about 6 months. They moved into his parent’s home and lived there until their first daughter turned about 9 months old. They then moved into low income housing and he got a job there doing maintenance. About 3 years later, there second daughter was born and he got laid off from his maintenance job but remained living there. He was on unemployment for about 1 ½ years because he could not find a job that would make more than unemployment paid. He finally found another job doing metal casting. About 9 months later he went out on a worker’s comp injury. He had carpal tunnel he claimed was caused on the job due to the fact that the company was an overseas company and did not have to follow OSHA standards. So he had surgery on his hands one at a time and was out for a total of about 9 months. Went back to work and his hands starting hurting again, so he got cortisone shots which made them hurt more. He was pulled out of work again last November because his hands still hurt and just had the second surgery on one of his hands last week. My daughter claims that recovery from this type of surgery is 6 weeks after the surgery, then he does physical therapy for about 12 weeks…per hand…which means he’ll be out for at least the rest of this year.
Since last Sept my daughter has gone back to school for accounting classes. She took one class that semester and two this past semester all paid for (books and everything) by the government since they are low income in that their only income is his workers comp checks. They are on state medical and collect food stamps and WIC. She is only taking one on-line class this semester because she needs to be home to take care of her husband.
So neither my daughter nor her husband are employed at this time and are surviving on government assistance. They just moved into a little house that my daughter’s boss owns so the rent is very affordable. They hated living in the projects. So how do they spend their time? Well he goes fishing (now keep in mind that one of the tests for nerve damage to his hands was that he had to pick up a quarter from a flat surface – he failed the test – so explain to me how he can string a fishing pole and tie those little knots), painted the interior walls in their new rented home, moved a load of cinder blocks, installed new cabinets, installed new wood floors in his father’s home (his father has been on disability from a truck driving job for the past 20+ years), mows lawns for pay, plays games on line on his ipad and laptop computer, just bought a boat for $50, oh I could go on and on. He can do everything a person without carpal tunnel does EXCEPT WORK!!! BUT they get pissed off at me when she calls me at work and says they are going to the park with the kids and I respond that “oh I’m at work again”. But they are more than happy to take money from me that I earn from WORKING!!! I have recently decided to stop giving them money and here’s why: I was at their house the day before Mother’s Day to pick up her two daughters. Her 16 year old son was there visiting. I went to leave with the girls and my daughter called to her son to go with me. He said he wanted to stay there since he came to visit her specifically to spend time with her for Mother’s Day. She responded that she had a paper due on Thursday…now keep in mind, this was Saturday, her older daughter is in full time school, and neither she nor her husband work outside of their home. So I said, “ok so you have 5 days after today to work on that paper, why can’t your husband watch your younger daughter during the day and you can work on your paper then”. She gave me a dirty look. So I said, well what else are you doing? She gave me another dirty look. So I looked at her husband and said can’t you watch the younger one so she can work on her paper, what else are you doing? You’re not doing anything else?” Well, he BLEW UP! He yelled directly at me, “I’m sick of you pulling that working card, F--- YOU! Get the F--- out of my house.” And he went on and on for about 5 minutes, went out of the house and down the sidewalk all the while yelling and screaming and swearing at me, came back in the house continuing to yell and scream and swear at me. Well, no one has yelled at me like that since my stepfather, and I just shut down. I was done. Now my daughter is “deeply hurt” because I “dissed her husband” and says that I owe him an apology. He’s the one who lost control (obviously has anger management issues), embarrassed me in public, scared his children, but it’s ME who owes HIM an apology????
My point is that welfare / government assistance is good for those who absolutely need it but for those who don’t want to work, it’s so easy to just live off the government.
My suggestion is to have anyone who really needs assistance provide some type of service in return. For those who have children there can be day care centers staffed by others who receive assistance. For those who are disabled due to being overweight, should be required to pick up their check in person, but only if they have lost weight. If they have gained or not lost, they do not get their check. Eventually, they won’t be disabled due to being overweight anymore.

Kathryn - posted on 01/04/2013

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The problem is huge. In the USA, it seems, (to me, a Canadian) one of the biggest issues is the lack of medical insurance when working, opposed to having coverage while on welfare.

If Canada and Australia are able to provide medical coverage, why can't the USA? Our taxes are certainly higher when it comes to fuel, cigarettes, and alcohol.The outrageous lawsuits need to be stopped, as well, in all countries.

So many things are intertwined, which need to be fixed.It is just not entitlement of welfare that is the problem. The ability to declare bankruptcy, when it should be a lifetime of paying off yor debts. People who declare bankruptcy haven't learned anything. As soon as they have their hands on credit again, the problem start over.

The governments need to spend more money in the fraud departments. When it starts to become known they will catch the liarsand cheats, it sends a strong message. Reimbursement of funds needs to be required.

We need to bring back shame.It is sorely missed. Children need to be raised by both parents, whenever possible. So many generations have never lived with 2 parents. These men have no idea what a father does, except impregnate women.These women think having babies IS their job.

Welfare is not supposed to be comfortable. That defeats the purpose. They should not be permitted to have any control over how money is spent either. Rent should be paid directly to the landlord.No cable TV. Extremely limited internet and landline phone, for job searching.Mobile phones aren't required. If recipients are given "debit cards" they should be restricted severely in what they may purchase. If stores override the purchase, they should be fined. No alcohol,cigs,junk food permitted. You want it so they get a job. Maybe every month, the payment decreases.

For recipients who are permitted to be on welfare for a certain time limit, say a year, because of a young child, sick family member etc..then increase their payment to make it a bit more comfortable.

Training for welfare recipients? I personally have a problem with that. My kids all need to pay for their own upgrading if they want anything, unless they quit their job and go on welfare. How fair is that? recipients can get minimum wage jobs, like my kids, and pay for it themselves. It's amazing how much more studying you will do, when you are paying for it.

It really is about pride and self worth that will make people want to improve themselves.If they are too lazy to get a job, I would have no problem having the government provide them with one, at minimum wage...as long as they are required to actually work, and not just be to fulfill a requirement to "show up"

Northern - posted on 01/04/2013

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We have a generation of lazy, self entitled, good for nothing, ask not what you can do for your country but what your country can do for you individuals...

I remember what one person wrote a while back about United States:

Obama owns it now ...
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TARA - posted on 01/04/2013

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Right on Brandy, good thoughts!!!! It is making a system, originally made for people who truly, honestly, need it, a total scam!
When I was little, my parents got divorced and my dad didn't pay child support, so we had to be on food stamps. We could only buy certain foods, and I remember, they were like stamps or vouchers and even remember now, in my 30's, how embarrassing it was!
Now, more and more people are getting more ways to take free handouts from the gov't making those that really need help, hard pressed to get it!! I know a mom with three children who can't get child support who has been waiting to get housing for 3 years and it took forever to get set up on food "stamps" or whatever they are now, because the backup was too much and the state couldn't keep up with all the recipients. What a shame, there are people who truly need help from the gov't.
And on an opposite scale, I know one lady, who used their food stamps/cards/whatever to go buy lobster and other fancy type food instead of using it to buy her grandson milk. She gets free housing but charges her son rent and uses the rest of her "money" to go gambling. WHAT???
Where did everyone's SELF RESPECT go!?? I work my rear off DAILY to provide for my family and I know for a fact if I get laid off or lose my job, I will take a less than ideal, lower paying job versus sit on unemployment for two years WAITING for the ideal job to come along. I can think of a handful of people who truly tried to find work, but I can think of equally as many, who said why bother when I get 60% of my original paycheck!?(which was more than my total paycheck!) And played video games all day and waited for the perfect job to come along, which when it came to crunch time, suddenly the "perfect job" came up. It's maddening!

Gianina - posted on 12/25/2012

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Merry Christmas Brandy and everybody.

First of all, there is nothing wrong with ranting and if you feel the need to just release your 'frustration' by posting your thoughts... bravo. We all should not judge someone's feelings (and experiences). We may agree and disagree but by 'belittling' someone doesn't help.

As a mother with a 23 yrs old Autistic man, I see (for the most part) what goes on in the welfare system. My son receive a limited funds from the SSI and we make sure it covers most of his 'group home' living...stretching the funds to last for the month. Too often the system asked to help more but I would reply to attend to the most needy while I continue to financially support my son while I am still a live.

I agree the system is broken and I was told that they are filtering those who need the support and those who abuses the system..but it's not enough. It would be nice if there is another way, but for now, we can just hope for improvement.

When I first applied for my son's welfare application when he turned 21 yrs old. I did see folks who I felt needed the support but I was annoyed with many 'young folks' who I felt should not apply. Especially the barely 25 yr old young woman with 3 kids, who loudly said 'what do I have to do to get more money...have more kids ??' People like her are those who feel 'entitled' and should be in a program where they try to BETTER themselves (like getting a job). Yes, she may be caring for her kids but it turned out that her kids live 24/7 with the elderly great- grandparents. The mother could get a job but surprise surprise, she doesn't want a job... and the system is way too 'soft' on her case. It turns out that they don't encourage 'job' but 'gov't dependency'. I believe the welfare has lost it's purpose...praying for improvement.

Kathryn - posted on 12/24/2012

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I think most people on welfare want to work, if given the chance. Hmm..not really sure if I believe that, but that's we keep hearing from welfare recipients. Let's assume it is true.
What if welfare was gradually phased out, and able bodied people were put back to work, or their benefits were cut off.
A country, whether it be Canada, USA, or Australia manufacture a lot of products overseas.
Let's assume we can convince the government to produce one item they require, in their country. For sake of example lets say toner, for their printers, they use in all the government offices. That's a lot of toner, I imagine.
A factory will need to be built, or maybe a vacant refurbished. This company may have previously moved their factory overseas, and this can be an enticement for them to return.
Lets assume this factory needs 300 workers. There is a steady supply of welfare recipients yelling for jobs.
For this factory they are going to use welfare moms with one child. A 300 unit apartment complex would be built for these employees to live in. They would all be one bedroom apts with a murphy bed in the livingroom, effectively making it a 2 bedroom.It won't be a large apt, but it will be comfortable.
They would be with close proximity of the factory, so transportation isn't a problem. Childcare is close by, and is affordable.
The factory owns or co-owns the apts, so rent may be lower. The pay would be minimum wage, but it is still higher than welfare.
If you quit the job, or get fired, you would be required to move, because a new employee will need to use it.
If given this opportunity, how many on welfare would actually take advantage of it?
These workers are now productive members of society, and pay taxes. There would be plenty of spin off jobs. Childcare workers, (who could also be former welfare recipients) hairdressers, hospitality jobs etc
These factories could be helped with the money the government is saving in welfare payments. They are no longer paying 300X (welfare payment) a year.

Imagine if every country started producing everything they needed, instead of buying everything overseas..such as China. It would put their citizens back to work. Maybe it is time to start gradually closing the borders to cheap imports?

Northern - posted on 11/29/2012

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Brandy, you are a good woman. I support your beliefs and understand your frustrations. I believe the problem with welfare is that there is too much focus on disability and not enough focus on getting people out of the poverty hole and back to work. Welfare should be a temporary fix, not a long term solution.

You seem to be a compassionate, hardworking individual who understands not all abuse the system but you notice that is all too often the case. The problem is complex and I wonder myself what the solution might be. I am a struggling middle class family who supports various charities and a religious organization. I support welfare through my taxes (and we have lots of taxes here in Canada). Should welfare be privatized ?The archaic welfare system in Canada needs serious overhaul. We have many welfare recipients who abuse the system. I believe we have a major problem on our hands. I just read a few days ago an article on immigration here in Canada. Apparently, immigrants to Canada spend half in income taxes and yet consume the same amount of social services as we do. Each Canadian taxpayer is in debt by approximately 6000 dollars per each immigrant.

I have nothing against immigration. However when the costs of immigration outweigh the benefits, we have a problem, be it here or in United States. Illegals are a different story.

Should we slash red tape around our foreign policy and take the wasted billions of dollars and spend them on our own people instead, such as on our seniors, war veterans and the poor working class ?

Brandy, your topic is complex and it raises questions on other issues as well. I look forward to reading more from you. You seem to fall in line with my beliefs.

Northern - posted on 11/29/2012

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Just curious how many of you would consider the idea of no taxes, no vote considering many welfare recipients abuse the system. will they not vote for the hand that feeds them ?

Brandy - posted on 11/26/2012

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Lynn, I am still reading it and yes since I've started this topic several years ago I have matured more. I am also basing my info on what I've seen with my own eyes in my own family. Most of my extended family and a few immediate family members are exactly as I described. I also have several friends and family members who are on multiple prescriptions to help with side effects of other prescriptions.

It is very sad that most people on welfare are capable people but society has pushed them so far down that they feel they can't get back up. Depression has a lot to do with it. I know how hard it can be to over come depression from first hand experience. I also know people that work at Wal-Mart and yes they make it impossible for them to live unles they're on welfare.

I saw you also mentioned God. It is sad that the Church hasn't done more to help the widows, orphans, and poor like the Bible says to. What can you expect though with only 4% of this generation believing in the Bible! My husband and I have been able to bless a lot of people in ways that really help them while not enabling them. So I guess my original post should be Why aren't the religious communities doing more for those less fortunate. I know the church we use to go to (no one in our age group) has a well stocked food pantry for anyone who is in need. They also have a supply of gas cards and people willing to drive people back and forth to work. The church we are going to now (more people in our age group) has partnered with the local food pantry to make sure the shelves are well stocked all the time, amongst many other things.

As far as my original post, the government does need to do something different because it's not working for the people.

Lynn - posted on 11/26/2012

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First of all, Brandy, "fat" people on welfare generally buy food that has lots of carbs as that's how to stretch those stamps for their families. Acrylic nails can be bought in the Walmart beauty aisle, how do you know how to judge jewelry or clothing...don't forget there are consignment stores and thrift shops and some of these ladies are awfully good at shopping them. And how do you know a person is collecting disability, do you ask? Praise God that's not you. So, don't judge just because a person is "fat". That could be you someday. When you do that, it's just so unfair...unless you walk a mile in their shoes, I suggest you bless them, instead of judge them. As to your second point, insurance companies have never paid for vitamins unless you have a prescription for them. I've never been given a prescription where I've had to take 3 more to counteract the effects of the first. Where are you getting that from? Is it a phobia? I understand not wanting to rush to use medicine, but Brandy, do be sensible. How can you possibly offer bonuses to communities with fewer people on welfare, think about it? There's a community in California right now that is discriminating against disabled, don't you think that kind of thinking could very well lead to some unfortunate consequences? Suggest you lay down your anger and instead think through how you've presented your statements and do some research. Google Walmart...they actually pay poor wages and their employees go on welfare. Google it for yourself. It will open your eyes. Immigration is a topic that needs to be addressed calmly and with great thought and respect for human life. But it needs to be dealt with and not with a rant. So, hope I've given food for thought if you are still reading on this forum

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The people who "can't survive" on a monthly food benefit of $400 per month for a family of 3-4 either live where the standard of living is scary or are ignorant. The idea that "bad food is cheaper" is also based in ignorance. IF you take the time to look at your grocery store sale flyer, make a list, and cook; it is much, much cheaper to eat good food. I feed a family of four three healthy meals and 1-2 healthy snacks every single day on less than $100 per week and one of my children has health problems that require a special diet. That $100 also covers paper products, pet supplies, and most of our clothes and household goods.
Some people do need help, but many of the people getting that help don't deserve it. It makes me sick when the people I work with get their hair and nails done every week, drive a new car, carry the latest smart phone, and wear the latest fashions but need welfare to feed their kids (no two of whom have the same father). Because they were so young, a few of them were offered a special welfare program where they would be given a really nice set of kitchenware (stuff I'll probably never afford) and an extra food stamp benefit if they took a few classes about how to feed their children healthy meals. Only one took the offer and she dropped out because it was "too hard".

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Totally agree with you on the reimbursement for vitamins thing. I am a registered nurse with a Master's degree and I have always had an interest in nutrition, so I read a lot. I know how to interpret and critique research reports, and I have read LOTS of credible, independent third-party, double blind, placebo studies that PROVE that nutritional supplements, especially omega-3 fish oils, are SO HELPFUL, yet our insurance companies will only pay for drugs. I swear the whole industry is so corrupt, the pharmaceutical companies surely get lots of money. It's disgusting. But being angry doesn't help---we have to educate people as much as we can.

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all the goverment does is give money to people with all the babys they want moet of them have not work a day in there life i work 40 years and had to fight for my disable i dont get it why would some one give you money to be bad'

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I wasn't angry in my post but I would like people to take a harder look at things before passing such extreme judgement. I truly wish that each and every lawmaker in the country had to go just one month living the way their poorer individuals have to live to survive. Allow them only access to the minimum wage payments, no car unless they buy it, almost no clothing and only the amount of money the average family of their size gets in food stamps and see how hard it is for them to survive. I was once a hardworking single mother with two jobs because my husband wouldn't work, cheated repeatedly and then walked away to a live a partying lifestyle while I was left holding the baby and trying to make it. I am now in a much better place but I KNOW how hard it was then...and I know there are tons of places that give away food, clothing (even name brand) and even utility assistance. It took me donating plasma to put diapers on the baby because all of my funds were tied up with bills. Thanks to SNAP, I managed to make it on less than 9k a year at times (I didn't have time for college training and so I had to take the lower paying positions). Boxed meals and generic meat as well as some bulk heat and eat foods were far cheaper than buying fresh vegetables and meats or other higher quality foods and were filling...but I always did my best to provide a good diet. Now I enjoy buying healthy and building meals from scratch...which I did then as much as possible...but I know where a person is when you have almost no time to live and have to work so much and still put food on the table. It royally sucks.

Pamela - posted on 04/04/2012

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I think that may be more of a myth than a reality. The fact is, you don't make much money being on welfare - and each additional child doesn't increase benefits by that much. As I've stated before, yes there are those who abuse the system - but their numbers are actually fairly small in comparison to those who do not abuse the system.

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Totally agree!! it's one thing to use it when you are in a bad spot to better your life but some people keep having kids just to get welfare!! I work my butt off for half my money to go to daycare and a lot of people get day care for free. I would LOVE to not pay for it. They take so much out of my paycheck for taxes so it can go support those that won't support themselves or have kids they cant afford thinking the government will take care of them. When I had my daughter, I was a single mom and started college. I did not collect welfare because I also worked. I did get the insurance and food stamps for 2 years to finish college, but now am an RN working full time. So I think the system is meant to help short term to get people on their feet and not to be abused!!

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I want to say a few things here. First, I am on foodstamps. My boss fired me, and then lied to unemployment, while I was in the hospital having my son. It was the only way my family could survive. Cash assistance and food stamps are separate on a card, and I'm on the program. I see people with phones that had cost AT LEAST $200 (androids, smartphones, what have you), and that gets to me. However, I also know that these programs are near impossible unless you have a phone. You have to call you worker weekly, not to mention if you are on cash assistance and have children, you HAVE to put them in daycare. I've had to place my daughter in daycare when I didn't have a working phone and it tore me apart (my son passed from SIDS before this happened). Now, for a family of three, we get just over $400 a month. A month. I want to eat healthy, I want my family to eat healthy, but tell me how you think that should happen with $400 a month. My husband and I have been trying to find a job and get over the death of our son. It was compounded by the fact that they took over $200 a month from us when he passed and now claim that we have to pay them back because they "overpaid us" since they didn't get his death in the system soon enough. That takes another $20 a month from us.



I just wanted to give people a picture of what it's like. I know what it's like to see these people (from the outside) and judge them. I also know what it's like to be treated like crap because I'm now part of the system. There used to be programs that actually helped you find jobs, but in this economy, those programs are basically just a facade, and they punish you for not getting one yourself.



I understand that others might call me a deadbeat for writing this, and so be it. Just responding to this I expect some lashings. I just want to let others know that I understand why you look down on people on welfare, especially when you see the people spending them on such things.

**Jackie** - posted on 04/03/2012

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YIKES, Sierra! WE are judgmental? You don't know a thing about me! For instance, that I volunteer at the soup kitchen. I am on call for whenever they need me...which is normally around the holidays (including this weekend).



Hold on...this was my favorite:

"wow... you are some evil heartless women..."

"Really? you are disgusting excuses for human beings, you don't know what anyone's situation is, you assume."

"...and since you are mean spirited, hateful, and judgmental, you are to good to admit you are wrong,"





YES that wasn't mean or judgmental at all.......





Let's take a look at my post, which I'm sure you read considering it was only 2 posts down...



"I do apologize if I offended you with some of my comments. My intentions here are not to call anyone out or insult any mother trying to put ANY FOOD on their child's table. "



"I can't take back any of my comments in past posts because it is solely what I have witnessed first hand. I will say that I am sorry if I categorized any of you or someone dear to you who does not abuse the system in my posts."





YES you're right....totally heartless





AND BEFORE you tell me that your comment wasn't directed towards me, SPARE ME. I've been on many threads and I've gotten into verbal spats with mothers...SOME whom I've agreed with in other threads...and SOME whom I've learned to respect.....YOUR POST might have been up there in one of the most MEAN and judgmental posts I've ever read.





Have a blessed day

Pamela - posted on 04/02/2012

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Well, frankly folks I would far rather live in a society that actually cares about its people, rather than holding to the cold belief that "I've got mine - everyone else can take a hike." I don't believe welfare causes dependency - it helps people who hit hard times get a leg up and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I would far rather see my tax dollars go to that, than go to an industrial military complex that sends our husbands, wives, sons and daughters over to other countries to smite the people there. Instead of pissing about people who need help - lets actually come up with some creative ways to actually solve problems. I'm tired of the ideology of Ayn Rand, I'm tired of listening to the hard-hearted - I reject that. I chose compassion and empathy.

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As long as we have a President who is offering millions of dollars to the state that can get the most people put onto welfare books, we won't get anywhere trying to get people to be self-sufficient.

**Jackie** - posted on 03/24/2012

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Jennifer, I was at the DOLLAR STORE yesterday and the sign on the door said they accepted Food Stamp benefits. SO, when I cruised passed the medium sized bags of frozen fruits and frozen veggies, nuts, white and whole grain bread, green tea, pasta and pasta sauce I got to thinking.....WHY is it that I JUST WITNESSED a mother using the same food stamp benefits to purchase Hungry Man meals and doritos?!



Jennifer, you definitely have a point with how highly paid they are and I do apologize if I offended you with some of my comments. My intentions here are not to call anyone out or insult any mother trying to put ANY FOOD on their child's table.



I can't take back any of my comments in past posts because it is solely what I have witnessed first hand. I will say that I am sorry if I categorized any of you or someone dear to you who does not abuse the system in my posts. Sometimes I get carried away...

Jennifer - posted on 03/23/2012

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Cash benefits and food benefits ARE two sep. services that use the same card. Not everyone is eligible for cash benefits. I see ignorant people on here talking about "junk food" or "fat" people in regards to welfare but have you ever stopped and look at how much MORE EXPENSIVE it is to eat healthy? When you're on a limited budget such as most HONEST people get who receive SNAP, it is actually a lot harder to eat healthier since you have to buy so much more for one meal compared to buying a ready-to-eat meal AND you have to take into consideration that many people are not even raised learning the basics on how to cook or eat healthy. I believe there are many things that can be done to correct the welfare situation but before someone starts mouthing that that is the problem, think about all the government officials that are paid for the remainder of their lives rather than just the term they're in office. Being president or house speaker was once an honor and not such an expensive entitlement. Just ONE year's salary could very comfortably feed no less than 50 families for the year. Entitlement doesn't only exist in the poorer community.

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i just talked to someone on welfare and food stamps, and she explained it a little to me. her welfare cash benefits, and her food stamps are on the same card, but it's two different accounts. i only had food stamps, not welfare benefits, so that's why i couldn't. those who you've seen at the bank must also be on welfare. :)

**Jackie** - posted on 03/17/2012

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Rosie, like I said....I worked at a bank for 7 years and those whole 7 years you could do it. It was awful.



I just remembered this one woman who (after she took out $240 plus dollars) took 2 or 3 huge hand fulls of lollipops and stuffed them into her handbag and when she caught me looking she said "oh haha lunch for the littles" ....she then took a hand full of K-cups from our coffee center for her Keurig machine.....wish I could afford one of those. I honestly had to count to 10 slowly in my head.

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hell know i agree it is wrong for people to take advantage of such benefits however the way i see it is these kids who mums are on welfare at least get fed yes it may be junk food but they ARE getting fed same as immigrants they should all go home yes but they are getting fed there is so many children and adults alike that die cos of starvation its them we should talk about its there entiliment that needs sorting out y not have a discussion bout those or better still thank your selves lucky YOU and YOUR kids eat and leave others to their own devices .

Pamela - posted on 03/16/2012

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I stand corrected - frivolous foods are permitted. Just not things like tobacco etc. Here's the list from SNAP:

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/retailers/e...



I think it should not allow Doritos or potato chips. I would agree with that. But again, I would not want to see it ended - just reformed. It looks like you can get cash with the ebt card which is maybe not the smartest thing for the government to allow.

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When I was on food stamps i was unable to get cash with my card...that was 5 years ago though. maybe things have changed, but i don't think they have. that would be a little pointless to have a card specifically for food that would let you get money back. the government is pretty stupid sometimes, but they can't be that stupid can they? lol.

**Jackie** - posted on 03/16/2012

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I am absolutely positive that you can purchase junk food with food stamps (or the debit card). I worked at a bank for 7 years and women would come in and do a cash advance with the debit card. You didn't need an account, the only thing we need was an ID and as long as it had a Visa/Mastercard logo you could do an advance. So now, you have cash....and YES these women were nicely dressed. I felt foolish with my press on nails while theirs were 4 feet long with a beach hand painted on them...it's not cheap.



OHHH how I wish we could pick where our tax dollars went!!



I volunteer at our local food shelter every summer and my first time there I remember when a child would come into line I would give him/her a huge scoop full of food and then when I would see a grown man with no physical disability and a fancy iphone (which I can't afford) I wanted to throw his mashed potatoes at him!

Pamela - posted on 03/16/2012

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Actually I am not sure that food stamps (which is now in the form of a like debit card) can be used for frivolous food stuffs. Please don't ignore the point I'm actually making. Those women (or men but probably mostly women) you're talking about are not the norm. We've seen them but statistically they are a drop in the bucket compared to those who use welfare responsibly and for a hand up (rather than a hand out). So do we punish everyone because of the deadbeats? Frankly most of our tax dollars go towards defense military spending. I personally would prefer more of my money going to life affirming causes rather than war. But unfortunately we don't get to pick and choose.

**Jackie** - posted on 03/16/2012

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I wish all of my tax money went to shelters, foster homes, and free meals at school for children. I have absolutely no problem helping a child..I DO, however, have a problem helping a dead beat crack head sitting out on his/her porch all day and feeling entitled.



I, too, have seen women with their nails done, hair done, nice clothes, and hand bags buying junk food in stores. Since when does food stamps cover Doritos? Come on! Mean while, I'm the idiot sitting at home looking for sales and clipping coupons and trying to save a few bucks! I should pop out a few more kids and sit back and relax!!

Pamela - posted on 03/15/2012

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No, most don't abuse it. Welfare absolutely needs to be reformed, updated and made more practical. It needs to be set up in a way that allows people to retain a modicum of self respect, and so it should also include allowing people to work. If they're not working then they should be in school getting a degree, in order that they can become productive citizens.



Of course everyone has an example of either knowing, or knowing of someone who is on welfare and perhaps shouldn't be on it and is using the system inappropriately, but that's anecdotal. When you look at the stats, the vast majority are not lifers, are on it 2-7 years, went on it because of either job loss, divorce, or medical reasons. Most go off it after a period of time and most use it the way it was intended to be used: it helps them retool their lives so they can live productive lives. I've known a couple of women (again this is anecdotal) who went on welfare because their husbands left them and the kids for someone else. They went on welfare, went back to school and got jobs when they graduated. Now they pay into the system. I have absolutely no problem at all having my tax money used like that. If it helps give a person a leg up, I'm all for it.

**Jackie** - posted on 03/13/2012

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I went to the welfare office with my friend a few years ago and the case worker told her out right that because she worked part time at a salon making 7 bucks an hour sweeping hair off the floor...that she couldn't get a lot of free stuff. She actually advised her (more or less) to quit her job and she would be getting more money.



My girlfriend had 2 kids and 1 on the way and she did just that. Now she is living completely on my tax money when I work my ass off and my husband risks his life at work every day working with natural gas leaks.

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Not all people on welfare abuse the system but most do! There needs to be more done durning the app process to prevent this from happening. How about follow ups? We just hand out food stamps and medicaid with out looking back to see if it is helping these people get back up on their own feet. Start more programs on healthy eating. Hell how about doing something about the cost of "healthy food". To feed a family of five something "healthy" you need an endless bank account! I have been on food stamps and still don't understand how we are supposed to feed our kids healthy food at these prices. I have also checked out people whom after spending $30 on candy they have an ending balance of $654. How!?! Hell I couldn't even get a fifth of that! Feels good to pay for my family with the money i earned from the Job that I work! I could also say that some of these people whom wear gold and drive nice cars while getting assistance could have been laid off from a job of 25 years. It is unfair to say people who receive food stamps shouldn't have phones or cable television. If you think it needs reformed then consider who you vote for very carefully!

Pamela - posted on 03/12/2012

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As someone pointed out, there is already a pretty stringent application process. I get this sense that those better off really want to shame the people on welfare - I completely disagree with this. Again, most on welfare are on it for good reasons.

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