This is getting out of hand

~Jennifer - posted on 07/26/2011

In the interests of total honesty:



This community has 43,000+ members....but only 5 or 6 constantly post, and now 2 of them have been blocked again....

Do you think that just MAYBE....the actions of the few (blocked) have somehow disenchanted the postings of the MANY members that should be posting here?

Why has the activity in this 43,000 strong group dropped off?

Certainly, 5 or 6 vs. 43,000 couldn't be the reason....

(or maybe it is, and that's why Obama got elected.....who knows...but it doesn't seem wholly realistic, in the grand scheme of things)



but then again, CoM is just a fascist regime that can't be crushed.....and stuff, and things...because it's just a message board and not real life.....(remember?)



Have a good night, Ladies.

Dana - posted on 07/26/2011

Actually Emily unless you are one of the people involved coming back, under a false name, you have no idea what you're talking about. So you could take your own advice. ;)

Emily - posted on 07/26/2011

"Your pals that are being defended here completely and totally earned their expulsion from this site. " .....and we have another who has no idea what she's talking about. Thanks but no thanks. Butt out.

Ellen - posted on 07/21/2011

hi. how do i find you?

Teresa - posted on 07/17/2011

How about we all go to our own groups and leave other alone? What's done is done and over and in the past correct? Let sleeping dogs lie or whatever. And if they aren't sleeping, call the pound..lol. It's nice to be able to talk with like minded people without the hassle and harassment. I wasn't here for the drama and I am glad. Let's start fresh.

Johnny - posted on 07/16/2011

I come to this community every couple of weeks. I have never posted here before now. I come here to read the posts to help me to understand how people at the opposite end of the spectrum think. I have been active in PDM since around the time all the political animosity became personal. I never came to this community to fight with any of you, nor engaged in any private message battles with those on the other side of the aisle. While I am friends with those who were having direct issues, I had never had a personal confrontation with one of the conservative members (political, yes and heated but not beyond that).



So you can imagine my offense when I found my name on a "list" of those who were involved in some sort of campaign against the members here. That same list Krista mentioned on the last page. The entire episode was extremely unacceptable and in complete violation of COM No THUMPS policy.



Your pals that are being defended here completely and totally earned their expulsion from this site. I was among those who reported them and I hope that my complaints about their inappropriate conduct helped to get them removed. Back then, I had hoped that them being removed would lead to a calming of tensions, the end of the personal attacks and a return to a focus on the politics. Obviously that was not possible for many and here it is continuing a year or so later. As long as people are going to stand up and defend nasty acts like that "list", those who were attacked by it are unlikely to just go away and stop bothering you.



I respect your right as a group to discuss your own issues in your own space. That is why I have never posted here before. However, you can not expect those who have been wronged to sit back when you continue to make these ridiculous defenses.

Tammy - posted on 07/16/2011

*eye roll* You obviously didn't actually read my post. I give up..I surrender.. Don't really care anymore. By the way, wasn't this post a shout out to Republican conservative moms about moving to a different group? So shouldn't just the Republican conservative moms reply if they are interested ot not? So wouldn't any other comments talking not nice about others be derailing the conversation? Hence most of the non conservative posts? HA! What was I thinking...Oh I know, I was thinking in terms of common sense! Duh! There's in lies my problem. Sorry! My fault! I must have had a brain cramp. (yes, just to affirm, that was sarcasm;))

Dana - posted on 07/16/2011

Wait a minute, you're saying that I have come in here to derail a conversation and to pick a fight? Ah, okay, so you sit there and make false accusations and continue to attack my character, yet I've been rude. Move on.

Tammy - posted on 07/16/2011

@ Schenkers...The first part was a quote so the "you" in the post would be for the one I quoted.

@ Jodi...How else could your satement have been translated. I did have a question mark at the end, so was just trying to verify what your meaning was. And not any more rudely as some of your posts so what gives?

@ both.....To look and see that the people on this group have been putting up with crap for several years and think that they should be asking to be walked on some more takes a bit of rudeness and inconsiderate thinking as well. Generally they get rather upset when people come in to derail a conversation or to pick a fight,and yes, you both have done that a time or two. We also cannot be sure you're not just an empty profile being used since that has been a mainstay from the group that comes in here to complain about us. Insult all you want, we didn't come to you, you came to us. It has been said in a multitude of ways on many different grade levels but noone seems to be getting it. I even copy pasted from somewhere one of the original liberals explaining how they needed to have a place to talk with eachother openly without the "conservatives" yet we are never given the same opportunity? Please explain to me again how we're the rude ones because I apparently am just not getting that one.

Jodi - posted on 07/12/2011

"So, let me get this straight. There might be a way but you don't want to tell us because you like coming in to cause trouble and don't want your fun stopped? Just askin' "



Actually, no, that's not what I was thinking at all, but you just go with that if you wish.



I was more thinking that people in this community have been rather rude to me. I have nothing to do with what happened in the past. My very first comment in this community was actually in defence of a member I felt was being treated quite poorly, and I, in turn, was treated like shit. Why on EARTH should I do anyone any favours here? It is certain no-one has given me any cause to do so.



Why would I care whether you had a private group or not? It has absolutely no impact on me at all. I CARE how you have spoken to and about people who have done you, personally, absolutely no harm.



Anyway, I wish you all the best.

Dana - posted on 07/11/2011

Tammy, maybe you should be more specific because the blanket statement of "You" or these accusations are pretty broad and I find it incredibly unfair to be lumping everyone into one category.



Regardless, I know all these women who have posted and I know they (we've) never said anything in any public forum about the people you're referring to or their families. If you're going to make such accusations, you should have specifics.



And on that note, I am truly done. I really thought this could be a constructive conversation where people could admit their own faults as well as faults of their friends and put it all behind us but, that does not seem to be the case. I feel like it's just going in circles and I would really rather not be a part of it.



Thanks to all you ladies who stayed open minded and respectful. :)

Tammy - posted on 07/11/2011

{Actually, there is a way you *could*.......just sayin'. But I'm not sure I'm inclined to let you in on the secret to that, given the circumstances. }



So, let me get this straight. There might be a way but you don't want to tell us because you like coming in to cause trouble and don't want your fun stopped? Just askin'

Jennifer - posted on 07/11/2011

I think if we want a separate forum that would be logical. That's why I asked about it.

Jennifer - posted on 07/11/2011

I get that the situation was out of hand and totally inappropriate but probably ignoring people who trying to bait you is more powerful than trying to shout them down.

Teresa - posted on 07/11/2011

I think a private group is a good idea. Harassment would be eliminated.

Jennifer - posted on 07/11/2011

How? Just wondering...

Jodi - posted on 07/11/2011

"It was also stated in a previous post on this thread that COM wouldn't allow it to be private because they wanted more access to it by others since it is a conservative group in the minority. So why are you still asking why we don't make it private? WE CAN'T!"



Actually, there is a way you *could*.......just sayin'. But I'm not sure I'm inclined to let you in on the secret to that, given the circumstances.

Tammy - posted on 07/11/2011

Sure would be nice but it's difficult when others won't let you. When I first found COM I came across this group and thought.."cool"... then I was swarmed by a flock of harpies who apparently can't stand this group but keep coming here anyway.

Just because you CAN do something doesn't always mean you SHOULD. ie:posting in a group you obviously don't like.

After a few posts I decided I didn't like PDM...so I don't go back and post there. See how easy that works? I only have a problem when they come here for their bashing and interruptions. Every thread you join here you interrupt the discussion, you don't post about the topic until someone mentions that you aren't even on topic!

It has been stated multiple times that this group is meant for like minded people to share with one another. It even says so in the description by the way, so there aren't any surprises. On one side you have those saying we should be a private group (said over and over again even though the answer has been stated multiple times) Many people have already mentioned in more than one post that the admins of this group have apparently disappeared so how do we do this again? It was also stated in a previous post on this thread that COM wouldn't allow it to be private because they wanted more access to it by others since it is a conservative group in the minority. So why are you still asking why we don't make it private? WE CAN'T!

When I first came here I looked through old posts on several groups and found people talking filth about some of the women here. I can't even say it was that bad in high school! It was all on open groups, calling even their families names. How can you honestly expect anyone to play nice with you when you behave like that?

Can you please answer just one question for me? For all the times you all have said you were never coming back to this group, for all that you dislike this group and what we discuss, why are you still here and being bothered by it? Just as you are free to come in to join or post, you are just as free to leave and ignore. If you have a problem with the opinions of this group then just go to the groups you enjoy being apart of. You have been repeatedly asked to stop bothering people in this group and YOU keep coming bcak to do it so who is causing the real problems? Maybe the ones who won't stop picking?

Casey - posted on 07/11/2011

That was well said Jennifer. I am new to this group, but I think it is best when we can all get along civilly.

Teresa - posted on 07/11/2011

I LOVE RUSH....HEHEHEHEHE

Jennifer - posted on 07/11/2011

My understanding after researching is that it was some kind of screw up and he apologized for it. However I take your point. Channel your inner Reagan! He and I were both Feb babies anyway!

Krista - posted on 07/11/2011

Yes, because Rush is renowned for NOT calling names or attacking people...


"Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is also a White House dog?"
— while holding up a photograph of 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton on his 1993 television show, Rush Limbaugh


THIS is who you think that you should emulate? Seriously? I'm no conservative, but even I know you have much better role models than Rush Limbaugh. Ronald Reagan would have NEVER spoken about a young girl so cruelly -- I didn't agree with his policies, but he was a gentleman, at least.

Tamara - posted on 07/11/2011

Ditto what Alison said.

Jennifer - posted on 07/11/2011

Ladies of conservative bend let me give you a message. Be joyful in your approach to those who disagree with you. Channel your inner Rush. Enjoy yourself and don't get caught up in the name calling or personal attacks if you find yourself a target and dont make any either. Be like Rush and be a happy conservative who can rise above the fracus to be an example for all of us. Now I gotta go because the children are restless and hungry.

Alison - posted on 07/11/2011

I would like to join your new group.

Dana - posted on 07/11/2011

Exactly Krista, thank you! :)

Krista - posted on 07/11/2011

I agree that it'd be good to move on. I guess I (and others) just wanted to address the idea here that Brenda and Traci were just innocent sweethearts, minding their own business, when their site was "invaded" and "hacked" and that they were mercilessly persecuted by a bunch of awful liberals who then got them kicked off of COM simply because they can't bear political dissent.

That's not the case and that's not the truth. Were we innocent angels? No. I'm not going to say that either. But this was DEFINITELY not a case of "let's persecute the conservatives." There are several other conservatives posting here, and to my knowledge, none of them have ever had any sort of run-in with any of us. I can't speak for the others, but my beef with Brenda was not based on her political ideologies. It was based on her actions.

Traci and Brenda took things too far, too often. And then when warned by COM admin, didn't have enough sense to back off. And they then snuck back in under aliases, and just flew under the radar for several months until they figured they had gotten away with it.

So, deify them if that's what makes you feel better, but their own behaviour was the major contributing factor towards their ejection.

Tamara - posted on 07/10/2011

I'm not a trouble maker and I don't go looking for it. I just wanted clarification so I wouldn't get in trouble, but it looks like some are looking to get others in trouble...that is all I am going to say. I'm done now. The rude tone is not appreciated ("Don't flatter yourself"?).

Jennifer - posted on 07/10/2011

Ugh. Can we just move on already? What's done is done. No one is going to change what happened but let's lets please stop bickering and antagonizing one another about it.

Jodi - posted on 07/10/2011

Actually, Tamara, we receive notifications to this thread every time someone posts. Don't flatter yourself. For someone new to the site, you are certainly making a lot of comments about a situation you "apparently" know nothing about that "apparently" happened well before your time.

Dana - posted on 07/10/2011

Excuse me? I've not jumped on anyone nor have I posted anywhere else. It actually appears as if you're looking to cause trouble now...

Tamara - posted on 07/10/2011

It just seems like the lot of you, who aren't members, are in here jumping all over people yourselves. That's all. I've been feeling a little setback just reading all of it. If this was years ago, you all still seem pretty fired up about it and maybe that is why you are always reading and responding to posts still? The vibe I have been getting from all of you is not a warm one...that is why I have just been reading for a bit after I posted most of my comments. I'm not sure I will be responding again any time soon because it really is chilly in here.

Dana - posted on 07/10/2011

Interesting, how do you figure that, Tamara? The reasons are in the rules of No T.H.U.M.P.S. -those are the only reasons. If someone is violating the rules of No T.H.U.M.P.S then yes it can be reported.

Take Brenda, someone alerted me to the fact that she had a thread, mentioning my name in a list with a bunch of lies, threats, etc... I reported it so it could be removed. They talked to her about it ( which they had done before because of her harassment already) she kept arguing, they removed her. It has nothing to do with big brother. It has everything to do with the fact that there are a few rules, Brenda didn't abide by them after SEVERAL warnings. There's actually been no cattiness for over a year now. But, I agree, the immaturity is for high schoolers, I didn't participate in it then and I won't now.

Tamara - posted on 07/10/2011

Woah - ok, from your incessant comments about reasons that someone can be banned from Circle Of Moms, it feels a little too much like big brother watching. So, if someone on Circle Of Moms happens to not like what you are posting, they (and/or their friends), will stalk and harass you and try to get you kicked off the site claiming violation of No THUMPS? Circle of Moms doesn't sound so friendly any more. Too much cattiness for my taste. Been there, done that, in high school.

Krista - posted on 07/10/2011

I just wanted to add my two cents about Brenda's behaviour and why she got kicked off.

Awhile back, shortly before her first ejection from COMs, she posted a thread naming a bunch of members, including myself, saying that we were trolling RCM, that we were infiltrating the site, causing trouble, misrepresenting ourselves, etc, and she urged all members of RCM to report us so that we would get kicked out of COM.

I took serious umbrage at this. Yes, I would occasionally read threads on RCM. It's an open group. There's no crime in that. But at no point did I ever "troll" the group or misrepresent myself. And I definitely did not appreciate Brenda calling my integrity into question in such a public fashion. It was an utterly baseless accusation. I had never done a thing to Brenda, and was very angry that she would try to get me booted off of COM for absolutely no reason other than that I am "a liberal".

I responded to the thread when I heard about it, and no apology was made. I sent Brenda a private message. It was angry, but not inflammatory or ugly. No response was sent. So yes, I reported her to admin.

Brenda was no victim. She had plenty of chances to set things right again, and chose not to.

Dana - posted on 07/10/2011

Jesus, this is why it's a hopeless cause...

Just to set the record straight one more time and then I'm done. ONE person said something about her husband (in private) ONE out of about 15 or so people. She said it out of frustration after they had just gotten into an argument.

It's not as if everyone in the private group was sitting around talking about it. And we all know that you don't have control over what ONE friend of yours has to say.

Jodi - posted on 07/09/2011

Gina, I was actually a mod on the Welcome Page when Traci went posting private information for the world and happen to just have been online at the time it happened and it was being contained and when it was being reported to CoM Admin. That's the extent of any of my involvement. But that's how I know what was going on - I have since been filled in on the details. As I said they are not total victims, and they need to stop acting like they are.



I know for a FACT that CoM Admin do not remove people from CoM without firm evidence of breach of No THUMPS, and without having made several warnings for violations, unless the offence is so severe that it warrants immediate removal of the offender. There is actually plenty of evidence of No THUMPS violation on this issue, and some of it is STILL there for the world to see, should they choose to look for it. I am not going to point anyone in the right direction. Suffice to say, it has been fully documented by CoM Admin.



It was CoM Admin who investigated the situation and determined that there were severe breaches of privacy and violations, not anyone else. THEY are the ones who decided to remove people when the violations were reported. End of story.



Both Brenda and Traci should have approached CoM Admin to reinstate them if they wished to do so, not done it through the back door. Every single other person who has done that and has come to the attention of Admin has had their second profile removed. I don't see why this should be any different. Using the excuse that they had no way of getting in touch with CoM Admin is bullshit. They obviously have friends who can access the CoM website, as evidenced here. It's not that hard to get a contact email address.

Gina - posted on 07/09/2011

If anyone can post in this group now, my question is how does Jodi know everything in the past with us. I don't remember Jodi, sorry if you were around.
As far as them posting what you guys wrote in your secret forum and posted it, they just wanted everyone to see how catty and vicious you were, kind of a warning of what we are dealing with. I know even in our secret group, we never once talked about your husbands or family members that weren't even involved. That is hitting a low. If they got kicked off for that, then I say good for them. But seriously, all of this needs to be left alone. I don't think we will ever agree, so we should just agree to disagree and leave it be.

Isobel - posted on 07/09/2011

I'm afraid they didn't tell you about the personal messages they were sending out...I've admitted my entire wrong doing...the fact that nobody else can just makes me feel a little better about my opinion of them.

Jodi - posted on 07/09/2011

Emily, they are not entirely victims in all of this. No-one is. Quite honestly, it gets tiresome hearing how positively victimised they have been.

Emily - posted on 07/09/2011

Your friends stalked people, harassed them, threatened them, and did LOTS of other things.

Threatened and stalked? Are you serious? Can we please stop with the lies already? My friends did no such thing, I won't let that lie go unchecked.

Perhaps my friend went out with a bang, but she didn't swear and call names at any of you when she left. She pointed out what you all were saying and that's about it. Why is that wrong? If you didn't want that info public, than you all should have made sure all your loose ends were tied up, don't you think? Instead, you go and get her kicked out for what amounts to showing others your group's true colors.

Regardless, I just came back on here to set the record straight and defend some of the lies that are being told since she can't be here to defend herself. I wish you all the respect and kindness that you have shown to those you happen to disagree with.

Jodi - posted on 07/09/2011

I'm not sure Jennifer. I'm not the one to ask that. This is really the first time I have ever posted in this community. And I wouldn't have said anything if I hadn't seen someone being called a troll when it was actually an innocent stumble. I have occasionally read posts here, and never seen it closed.

Jennifer - posted on 07/09/2011

Oh. Jodi thank you for clarifying that. I know now what you are talking about. Yes, that has happened to me as well and then I didn't go back to those groups because I didn't really mean to join their discussions. So has this always been an open forum? Should we change the settings on it to something else? Sorry about all the questions just trying to understand how this works and come up with a reasonable suggestion.

Jodi - posted on 07/09/2011

They don't HAVE to join to comment. I use a case in point in the last week. A member saw the title of a thread in a pop up, and she commented. She didn't even realise what the group was, just that she had something to say about THAT particular topic that the pop up brought her to, and made her views know. She was treated rudely, and called a troll. She actually genuinely just came across the post innocently. You will find it will happen a LOT. They aren't trolling. It's the way CoM works now with open groups.

Jennifer - posted on 07/09/2011

Ok, anyone CAN join a public group, but out of respect for members in that group WHY would you join a group that isn't something representative of you? Like I am a part of a group of moms who have lost a baby, it's open to everyone to join but why would someone who hasn't experienced that join the group? I think the level of animosity has confused some people about their boundaries. The personal stuff has no place here or in any other group.

Jodi - posted on 07/09/2011

You know, I had a look through a number of the threads here in the last week, and MANY of those people who have been accused of "trolling" have nothing to do with anything from the past. They have LITERALLY come across the posts via that little pop up box down in the corner. Because this is an open group, your threads will come up in those pop up boxes and if the thread title interests someone, they will post.

Jennifer - posted on 07/09/2011

I wasn't involved in any of this but I would like to see those who are not here to support the conservative group leave the group. I am sure there has been bad behavior on both sides and I would like to see the conversations in here kept on topic and respectful.

Isobel - posted on 07/09/2011

nope...you guys left it WIDE open for all...that's what makes it a public group and not capable of being "infiltrated"

Jodi - posted on 07/09/2011

Nope, not anymore. But it is also an Open Forum. Anyone can choose to join. AND anyone can choose to post.

Jennifer - posted on 07/09/2011

Ok, so why are you posting here? I thought you had to "Join" a group in order to post on their threads.