True Conservatives vs. "Faux" Conservatives?

Angela - posted on 03/10/2009 ( 27 moms have responded )

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Where do we all fall on this line? I have heard hard core conservatives say that if a person is not opposed to abortion then they aren't a real conservative, along with other statements like that. What brought you to the conservative position? And even if you identify yourself as conservative, do you have any views that aren't in line with traditional conservative issues?

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I am a conservative on most issues, pro life, pro second amendment, pro death penalty, small gov't, low taxes, bigger military, anti gay marriage, pro strict immigration laws. To me it's best to have a gov't that has no say in our lives, except for when it comes to aborting the innocent. I believe God always creates a life for a purpose and for us to play God is just wrong, where is our trust in him. In circumstances such as rape, I think the 24 hr pill is a great and only option one should have.The 2nd amendement is one thing I will defend to my death. The right to bear arms is an individual right, not a collective right. If we let our gov't take our guns, we will become but mere subjects. I think we pay to much to keep our jails running, if someone whats to commit murder, or molest a child, I say we put them to death bottom line. English should be declared the main laungue in the U.S., why do people feel like we need to cater to foreigners, I can guarantee when your in another country they won't even talk to you if you don't speak their language, and I know b/c I've lived in another country when my father was stationed out of the states. I do think the gov't should declare marriage between a man and a women ONLY. This country was founded on christian values, and I believe allowing gays to marry would be another slap in the face to GOD. IF there is one person we need in this country it's GOD. I think so many are afraid to stand against the gay marriage issue, b/c now people who disagree are haters, who should be sentence with a hate crime, who are really terriorist. Anyways I actually have a gay family memeber whom I love dearly, but I do not agree with allowing them to marry. The illegal immigrants is an issue we have to step on fast, I agree with a lady that commented earlier, they should NOT be given the same rights as we citizen, and our tax dollars shouldn't be going to them at ALL.

Lauren - posted on 06/07/2009

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I am conservative on most issues: small government, pro handguns, pro death penalty (need more of it and tougher sentences), military and financial issues. I am a supporter of the fair tax, however.



Abortion 1st trimester is okay. I could never do it but don't feel it is the governments place to tell me I can't. 2nd and 3rd trimester, I don't agree with and think are wrong.



Gay marriage - no. Civil unions - okay with stipulations.



Immigration - if you are illegal you should have to pay your own way back. But, if you are here you should not receive any of my tax payer dollars.



Healthcare - universal SCARES me to death.

Lindsay - posted on 05/29/2009

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I don't like to tell anyone they aren't conservative if they really feel like they are. There are so many different kinds of conservative though so even liberals can be conservative. I think if you don't agree with most of the social issues it just means you're not a traditional conservative that have core Christian beliefs. Im not 100% with the gop on social issues but i don't feel strongly enough against them that i would vote for a democrat because of them.

Rebecca - posted on 05/29/2009

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Quoting Christa:

I am as conservative as they come both fiscally and socaily. I feel our country was founded on Christian principals and that's the way it should stay. That's doesn't mean I think everyone has to be a christian. I just believe that life is sacred no matter what and it is individuals responsibility to take care of themselves and their family, not the government. I'm against gay marriage and civil unions. But I do believe a person should allow whom ever they choose to visit them in the hospital or make other life decisions. Any person should be able to give legal rights to another that they choice whether it be a family member, best friend, gay partner etc. I also believe homosexuality is a sin and no one should live this way, however it is not my place to judge and would never treat someone poorly because of their actions. But I would not support their choice, just like I would treat any other sinful behavior. I believe the government is here to protect the rights of it's people via the military and be there to provide a hand up when someone has fallen. Only a hand to help them back on their feet not and hand out for them to live on. On the death penalty I am truely torn, I see both sides of the arguement and can't decide which side I agree with more. I guess in all things I believe everyone can and should take care of themselves and those who can't (young, old and disabled) should have their families to take care of them. It goes back to traditional family values, our country had ventured too far from them and I feel that is the problem with our country today.


Very well said. I am also, like you as conservative as you can get.. I am pro life, Iam against gay marriage and feel the same as you do on this issue. I also feel the govwerment and liberals are to blame for the state our great country is in. They have ripped our constitution apart. We need  a much, much, much smaller goverment. I believe the goverment needs to keep their big fat noses out of our lives. They do not need to tell us how to raise our kids, what they should be taught, if we can carry a gun or not, etc. etc. We need to take our country back from these liberal freaks who have nothing better to do in their spare time than to slaughter innocent babies. What happenned to the morals, principles, beliefs of our forefathers.?What happened to One Nation under God? I also believe the goverment should never have taken prayer out of school. Our country was founded as a christian nation. We are suffering so much now because we have allowed the liberals to take God out of everything. Where is our once Great Nation? I pray that it is not too late, that it is not dead but perhaps only sleeping and can be awakened by the perserverance of the true, conservative, Bible believers out there standing strong together to make our country , once again the great Country it once was. United We Stand!


 

Shelly - posted on 03/21/2009

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Angela,



  You will never agree with anyone 100% of the time no matter what kind of group you are associated with.  I don't believe in abortion for myself but I don't think that we have the right to tell another women she can't!! I would never lead a women in that direction but I would never condemn a women for doing it I figure that is between her and God she's the one that has to answer for what she has done.  I would not ever say that's it's ok but who am I to judge??  And I don't want guns in my house even though I was raised around them.  I don't think that anyone should have the right to say that another person should tell me I can't if I choose to be a gun owner...And the way this country has been going I have very seriously thought about going and buying one!!!  So if tat makes me a Faux Conservative then so be it!!

Erin-Michelle - posted on 03/21/2009

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Well, hello all.  I'm new to this group but on the issues here, I am Libritarian leaning towards conservative, or at least what it should be.  Death penalty, a must.  The jails are full of people that deserve nothing less.  And I'm also for including child molestors.  Abortion, well, I'm against it except in dire circumstances, rape, death of mother or baby, incest.  But what it has become, a way for women to have birth control is totally sick to me.  While I agree that I don't want to support yet another child to the welfare system (which I think should be abolished) I also think people should take responcibility for their own actions.  Gay marriage is a hard one for me, I have family members who are gay and love them dearly, I'm for civil unoins but not marriage.  Marriage is defined in all religions as a woman and a man.  That is not something the government should be stepping into.  Separation of church and state and all.  Religion I can say that I'm for the Bill of Rights on this one and I can choose what I want to believe without anyone telling me differently.  I'm not christian, so that kinda pulls me away from the conservative side but I do believe in something, and follow a moral code similar to most christians.  And yes family values are a big thing to me.  But I do not define them as two parents and children.  I'm a step-mother and a soon to be mother, but we make our lives work in the best way we can. 



I am so against big government and taxes.  I actually would love to see the Fair Tax inacted and get the federal government out of my wallet and my personal life.  The federal government was put in place to protect our boarders, deal with foreign policies and use the military to protect us.  But that was it.  State governments should be the ones we have more things to do with than what it has become.  The federal government should never have a say in what I teach my children or expect me to pay for all the other children in their education.  if their parents are too dang lazy to be involved in their education then why should I have to foot the bill?



Illegal immagrants just get on my nerves.  I work with many and have a problem with the fact that most of them pretend they don't know english when in fact they do.  What one wants to speak or teach in their own homes is fine but in public it should be one language.  In the entire history or our country all immigrants coming over here have learned english and assemulated into our culture while keeping their own at home, except for mexicans.  They are a burden on the tax payers and actual citizens of this country but no one seems to care in Washington.  I hate having to press 1 for english.  Sorry about the rant....I just kinda got going...

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I agree about the language. English should be our national language and if people want to come and live here then they need to learn it. Afterall, you go to Germany you speak German, Russia you speak Russian, and we all know that French people don't talk in anything but French. So why can't we do that?



I can understand people wanting to come here and if they do it legally then I have no problem. It's ones that break the law that have the nerve to scream for their rights and equal share that drive me nuts.

Jeannine - posted on 03/18/2009

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I, like Jan, consider myself more of a libertarian conservative. I am pro defense/military, pro death penalty, smaller government and lower taxes. However, on the issues of abortion and gay marriage I am impartial.
Jenifer, you stated that you “firmly believe that we need as a country to hold true to one language.” I cannot agree with you more. And by the way, this is coming from someone for whom the US is an adopted country. I completely have a problem with immigrants who do not make the effort to learn the English language. I understand that the US is a melting pot; however, English is the main language. When my family and I decided to move to the US we made it a point to speak the English language at home so we can learn it quicker.  The US was our new home. We were here to assimilate and learn the new language and the new culture. I must say that I have a problem with people who come here and take rather than contribute.
Since I am on the topic of immigration I want to say that I am against granting amnesty to illegal immigrants. I like people to follow the rules and standards. All people. My family and I followed the rules just like essentially every other immigrant who does not happen to live in a country that borders the United States. We waited our turn and entered the country legally.    
I’m not sure if you guys heard about this, but here’s something interesting about the Amnesty Bill: 

 



 

Jenifer - posted on 03/16/2009

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I consider myself to be very conservative across the board- I firmly believe that we need as a country to hold true to one language, and one set of beliefs across the board. While personally I can see people wanting to have the right to make their own personal decisions I also can see how when they are constantly making bad choices this makes the country go bad in the long run. I have only once voted for democrat and that was prior to my son being born and me delving more into the realities of politics and government. Since he has come along I have been nothing but. But of course you see all the time "conseravitve" candidates who are willing to toe the line on abortion, education, religion, etc to keep themselves in office and get the votes....

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I'm what I call a conservative independent. I don't want govt in my personal business, I think the death penalty does apply in some cases, I'm pro-life but I understand that others are not and as much as I hate abortion, I don't feel like I have the right to tell another woman what she can and can't do with her own body. It's a decision that she'll have to live with.



I'm against gay marriage and civil unions b/c I feel that's against what God intended. I do think anyone (regardless of sexual orientation) should be able to designate who they want as a beneficiary and such. They should be able to decide who they want to visit them in the hospital and if they want someone else (not related) to make medical decisions for them then that should be their choice.



I'm a live and let live kind of person. I can handle people making decisions that go against my beliefs or opinions as long as I'm afforded the same respect. I will listen to opposing point of views but I don't want to be preached to and I definitely bristle when people order me to conform. I'm one that feels that everyone will be judged for their actions by God and I'm too busy trying to get make sure I'm doing His will to worry about someone else. God will handle everything in His way and in His time.

Erinn - posted on 03/14/2009

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I agree with Paula. I am "pro-life" in all aspects. I'd rather just let God deal with them.



I have always been a conservative but really didn't understand the liberals until I was older and started to listen to Rush and Sean!



I think that the RINO's are the ones that are causing so much of this mayham in the republican party today. Talking about we need to "redifine conservatism" and "reach across the isle" crap. A conservative for me is mainly just someone that at least wants the government to stay out of their lives!

Kelly - posted on 03/14/2009

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Christa I couldn't agree with you more on Family Values.  Our society is so out of whack, and we are only making it worse as each generation grows.  Respect for adults, authority, teachers, etc has gone completely out the window. Sex and drugs are out of control.  I cringe when I think about my daughter going to public school.  I guess that I am a Conservative person on most issues, and I think it's unfortunate that more people don't see things the "right" way........  The Coasts are a perfect example of where the rest of the country is headed without Conservative values.  Debt, destruction, greed, violence, lack of Faith, and a loss of what America was founded on and stands for.  God help us all.......  

Gina - posted on 03/13/2009

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Quoting Christa:

I am as conservative as they come both fiscally and socaily. I feel our country was founded on Christian principals and that's the way it should stay. That's doesn't mean I think everyone has to be a christian. I just believe that life is sacred no matter what and it is individuals responsibility to take care of themselves and their family, not the government. I'm against gay marriage and civil unions. But I do believe a person should allow whom ever they choose to visit them in the hospital or make other life decisions. Any person should be able to give legal rights to another that they choice whether it be a family member, best friend, gay partner etc. I also believe homosexuality is a sin and no one should live this way, however it is not my place to judge and would never treat someone poorly because of their actions. But I would not support their choice, just like I would treat any other sinful behavior. I believe the government is here to protect the rights of it's people via the military and be there to provide a hand up when someone has fallen. Only a hand to help them back on their feet not and hand out for them to live on. On the death penalty I am truely torn, I see both sides of the arguement and can't decide which side I agree with more. I guess in all things I believe everyone can and should take care of themselves and those who can't (young, old and disabled) should have their families to take care of them. It goes back to traditional family values, our country had ventured too far from them and I feel that is the problem with our country today.



That was really well said!

Christa - posted on 03/12/2009

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I am as conservative as they come both fiscally and socaily. I feel our country was founded on Christian principals and that's the way it should stay. That's doesn't mean I think everyone has to be a christian. I just believe that life is sacred no matter what and it is individuals responsibility to take care of themselves and their family, not the government. I'm against gay marriage and civil unions. But I do believe a person should allow whom ever they choose to visit them in the hospital or make other life decisions. Any person should be able to give legal rights to another that they choice whether it be a family member, best friend, gay partner etc. I also believe homosexuality is a sin and no one should live this way, however it is not my place to judge and would never treat someone poorly because of their actions. But I would not support their choice, just like I would treat any other sinful behavior. I believe the government is here to protect the rights of it's people via the military and be there to provide a hand up when someone has fallen. Only a hand to help them back on their feet not and hand out for them to live on. On the death penalty I am truely torn, I see both sides of the arguement and can't decide which side I agree with more. I guess in all things I believe everyone can and should take care of themselves and those who can't (young, old and disabled) should have their families to take care of them. It goes back to traditional family values, our country had ventured too far from them and I feel that is the problem with our country today.

Crystal - posted on 03/12/2009

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I am very conservative. Although there are some things I am slightly liberal with. Like another person said, I believe that 1st trimester abortions will always be legal and while I don't agree with it I think my efforts should be going to banning 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions, and embryonic stem cell research. I think we need more money going towards educating people about cord blood stem cells and adult stem cells than embryonic. I also think donating your cord blood for stem cell research should be more widely available!

I do no think the gov't should be in charge of MARRIAGE, but of civil unions. Both should be equal in the eyes of the gov't but not of God. I do not support same sex marriage, but I also refuse to tell someone who they can and cannot marry, I just don't want them doing it in my church. (some people in my family are gay, I love them, I just don't agree with it). I do believe in humanitarian efforts, but I don't want to support someone else for life, only while they may need it and I think that I should have the right to raise my children in the way that *I* see fit. I believe in the death penalty and agree that child molesters should be included. I do not believe in equal rights to those who are not American citizens, and believe that illegal immigrants should be thrown out of our country. I believe in a large military and benefits for all the military and their families. I could go on and on.

Karen - posted on 03/11/2009

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Quoting Jan:

I think I'm more of a Libertarian Conservative. I am in line on fiscal responsibility, low taxes, less gov't and more military. I however don't think my uterus belongs on Capital Hill, just as I don't believe that men's testicles (early form of life), old people, terminal patients, and other personal life choice issues belong there. I believe in the principals of equality. I don't think that means that you have to lower the bar to the ground to achieve it, but rather raise up the rest to get over it themselves. I don't see the need to DEFINE marriage at all, because it should not be a part of government to begin with. I believe in STATE rule. I don't own a gun but I see nothing wrong with someone else having one. I think I am the best gauge on how and where and with whom my child should learn. I think the smaller the gov't the bigger its people! I think what I do on MY land in MY home is MY business. I think helping others by taking from people who work hard to succeed to give to those who refuse to help themselves is fundamentally wrong. Teach a man to fish not to hold out his plate. I believe that the values that we lost after the 40's and 50's have cost us our greatness. I see nothing wrong with rearing good mannered respectful polite children who occasionally lose a race, or get an F. I think we have lost our way and just maybe being pushed to the far reaches of left winged insanity will cause a swing so mighty that we may once again feel that pride, sense of family, community, country we once enjoyed!


Very well said!

Diane - posted on 03/11/2009

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I guess I think of myself as a Republicrat sometimes lol.



When it comes to financial issues & national security I am conservative.  However, with social issues, I am more liberal.  I am pro-gay marriage, I support stem-cell research, I'm not crazy against the death penalty.  I'm even pro-choice...not because I think its right in the least bit, (and this sounds horrible) but because I really don't want to spend any more of my money supporting other people's kids.



Despite these differences, I feel I identify better with conservatives.

Jan - posted on 03/11/2009

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I am not a public speaker but I play one on TV! Just kidding :D I did ace all my public speaking classes in college though. I have some really radical ideas about politics that even my boss has told me to run on and she'd vote for me! I'm just passionate about keeping this country GREAT!

Nicole - posted on 03/11/2009

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Jan, 



I can appreciate where you're coming from and agree with you in most of your views.  Great way to put things.

Angela - posted on 03/10/2009

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Jan....wow- in reading your post I could just SEE you standing on a stage delivering that speech! Are you in politics? Going to be?

Jan - posted on 03/10/2009

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I think I'm more of a Libertarian Conservative. I am in line on fiscal responsibility, low taxes, less gov't and more military. I however don't think my uterus belongs on Capital Hill, just as I don't believe that men's testicles (early form of life), old people, terminal patients, and other personal life choice issues belong there. I believe in the principals of equality. I don't think that means that you have to lower the bar to the ground to achieve it, but rather raise up the rest to get over it themselves. I don't see the need to DEFINE marriage at all, because it should not be a part of government to begin with. I believe in STATE rule. I don't own a gun but I see nothing wrong with someone else having one. I think I am the best gauge on how and where and with whom my child should learn. I think the smaller the gov't the bigger its people! I think what I do on MY land in MY home is MY business. I think helping others by taking from people who work hard to succeed to give to those who refuse to help themselves is fundamentally wrong. Teach a man to fish not to hold out his plate. I believe that the values that we lost after the 40's and 50's have cost us our greatness. I see nothing wrong with rearing good mannered respectful polite children who occasionally lose a race, or get an F. I think we have lost our way and just maybe being pushed to the far reaches of left winged insanity will cause a swing so mighty that we may once again feel that pride, sense of family, community, country we once enjoyed!

Angela - posted on 03/10/2009

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Quoting Jennifer:

I think most people fall some where along this line. I don't think there are many that are completely conservative or completely liberal. I personally fall much further down the conservative line than both of you, but that doesn't mean I can't respect your opinions on issues. I just have stronger opinions than you on issues such as abortion and right to bear arms and gay issues, which I would hope you would respect as my opinion too.


Absolutely, respecting the differences is something that should always happen. I have been shocked by how people on myspace with opposing views treat each other. The country needs all of us, if we didn't have the balance, it would be a scary place either way.

Gina - posted on 03/10/2009

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I am pretty conservative on things. I think I am more like Jennifer on things, I  have very strong opinions, on guns, gay rights, abortions, stem cell research etc... I know my religion has a lot to do with that too. I also agree with the death penalty. I know at times someone innocent can go to jail and be wrongully executed, but if we don't have stricter punishments, I think things will get worse. I too think that child molesters should be in line for that if they are a severe repeat offender. I think that our jail system is too soft on most criminals anyway.

Jen - posted on 03/10/2009

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I don't think there's any issue I don't support the republican party platform on. Although I am more of a realist about abortion; I think abortions in the first trimester will always be legal and we should focus our energies on banning partial birth, infanticide, and abortions in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters. I don't like criminals so I'm very pro death penalty, though I believe that it should only apply to those who murder more than one person (because we all have had bad days). ;-) I would like to extend the death penalty who has been convicted of child molestation though. I think we need to do more to protect our young people from the perverts out there. There's nothing that I'm liberal on and I'm like you, Angela in that I'm conservative on financial and security issues and libertarian on many other issues.

Jennifer - posted on 03/10/2009

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I think most people fall some where along this line. I don't think there are many that are completely conservative or completely liberal. I personally fall much further down the conservative line than both of you, but that doesn't mean I can't respect your opinions on issues. I just have stronger opinions than you on issues such as abortion and right to bear arms and gay issues, which I would hope you would respect as my opinion too.

Angela - posted on 03/10/2009

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I'm interested too. On national security/military and financial issues I am totally conservative. But on social issues or issues dealing with people's personal lives I'm a total Libertarian and think government has no place in those issues. I always end up voting for the more conservative candidates because of where my priorities lie.

Paula - posted on 03/10/2009

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The only issue I don't "fall in line" with is the death penalty. I really don't think we should be killing anyone, but I understand why some people are worth executing, hehe.



I became a conservative because of Clinton. I grew up in a UAW family where I was taught to hate Reagan and all Republicans because they "were for the rich". My dad and my grandparents are both brainwashed by the Unions. When Clinton lied about Monica, looking at me through that camera, I was so done with his kind. Then I started listening to Rush (who I use to despise) and Glenn Beck came along and I've been hooked ever since.



To me a faux conservative or a RINO is someone who likes to raise taxes, is pro abortion, anti-gun and would rather play politics than do what is right for this great country of ours.



I'm really interested in others' responses, hehe. Great post!

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