Anybody dealing with someone who is bi-polar?

Leslie - posted on 10/18/2010 ( 5 moms have responded )

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My brother in law is bi-polar - I think - I am not sure when or how the diagnosis came. Anyway, he has made life extremely difficult on my husband's family. Recently he had a very violent confrontation with me and my husband, where he called us names, cursed us out and then told us to stay away from him and his family -- we were not welcome at his house. Not even a month later, after no further conversation let alone an apology, we get an invitation to his son's birthday party - but from his wife, not him. We had plans so we could not attend...but we wouldn''t have attended anyway. I was basically afraid of him at this point. In the past he had done the same thing to his other sister in law, and then his own sister....drove over an hour to her house, on Christmas Eve no less, and cursed her out in front of their company AND her 2 young daughters. Her husband had to physically throw him out of the house because he would not leave when asked. Then he tried to bring assault charges against him. Which is ironic because his sister and husband would not call the police that night because he has HUGE issues with any kind of authority -- but especially the police. And it gets better.....his sister, her husband, and my husband....yeah, you guessed it....all cops.
Anyway, I always told my husband that we should try and be understanding and not abandon him because of the mental illness. He has periods where he seems okay, and we knew that there were huge domestic problems in his own house (ironically, the cops have been to his own house and their children were almost removed), so we didn't want to add any stressors. We even told him that he could come live at our house if things got too bad between him and his wife. We did everything we could not to judge and be supportive.
Well, this week he found out that his son was not invited to our son's birthday party (because why would we if we were told to stay away from his kids and out of his life?), and he put this hate filled message on MY Facebook page. Not my husband's page- his brother, who he should have contacted, but me. For all my friends and family to see. I sent him a private message to say that was not cool or appropriate, and that if he had a problem he should have contacted his brother. The decision was not mine, but my husband's to make, and believe me we agonized over it. So why was he attacking me? And why so publicly? I mean, here he was saying I was discourteous by not extending an invitation, but he didn't give us the courtesy of a phone call. He just lashed out on a public forum. Clearly, this is his pattern, he lashes out at the women in the family....and when the men stand up for us, he cries foul or slinks away. I told him that we were honoring his wishes to stay out of his life. But I also told him I would be honest with him and said that I thought he was being irrational and I was afraid that he might be dangerous. I told him to seek help because he had now alienated his entire family due to these confrontations. He responded with a message that was just absolute venom. Called me names, made all these assumptions about my life (of which he has no clue), told me I was the one with the problem and should seek professional help. Just on and on. He didn't address a single thing I had asked in my message. Then his message finished off with this rant against cops. Actually, almost every conversation with him ends this way. My husband also sent him a personal message where he just simply told him it was not acceptable that he attached me verbally and so publicly. He said he would be willing to get together and talk to him, after everyone had a chance to cool down. The brother's response was to "unfriend" both of us. Mature. And true to pattern, the male confronted him and he slinked away.
So, since I don't know ,much about this bi-polar stuff, ....should I seriously be afraid of this person? I thought these people were supposed to suffer from bouts of depression? But he seems to flip between being calm and then just absolute fits of rage. I didn't think bi-polar meant violent. He gets so angry he shakes all over. But he actually almost started crying when he recounted that the brother in law hurt his arm when he thew him out of the house. HE truly believes that he was the victim!!! He just doesn't see that he created the situation and that due to his rage....they were AFRAID of him and wanted him out of the house. To me he has no guilt whatsoever about the trauma he has caused, especially to the children who have witnessed his rages, he doesn't care that he hurts your feelings, you cannot talk or reason with him at all, and it is always someone else's fault......there is no acceptance of any responsibility; almost like he doesn't even have a conscience. He sees all these wrongs and persecutions of himself, but he cannot fathom why a husband would throw him out of his house after he called his wife a cunt (excuse me). Personally, I think he is some kind of anti-social personality disorder, if not an all out pyschopath. As much as I want to stand up for myself against the hateful, mean and gross things he has said, I fear that any further response from me will just result in him appearing at my door. And since my husband has just left on a long business trip, and I am here with my 3 kids.... I really don't want that.
So any advice would be great because I really don't understand this illness, or what to do. I believe in reaching out in love, healing and forgiveness, but I also need to protect my family. clearly he cannot be in our life right now, but can they improve with therapy or drugs? How have dealt with the person in your life?

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Candace - posted on 03/25/2011

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It affects everyone different but yes there are maniac espisodes of hatred and anger and aggression. my husband is bi-polar and untreated. I was 3 months pregnant with my oldest he threatened to punch me. My whole pregnancy with my youngest he threatened me and pulled a knife on me. He has the anger, they have lithium for bi-polar people with the anger inconjuction with bi-polar medicine. Most like that need medication. That is part of the illness they don't see things from other's perspective. The always blame everyone else, again like I said everyone is affected different but if you look up bi-polar maniac episodes (I believe) you will see they can go from anger to depression to calm with the drop of a dime. It is very scary you do not know what they will do next. They truly cannot be trusted. And yes bi-polar actually can be catorigized under a multi-personality disorder. Because when they have anger and violence like that they usually don't remember it because (as it was explained to me) it is like they mentally black out. And it is very hard to deal with them untreated. Very scary. My dad, three of my brothers, my husband, my husband's sister are all bi-polar. And they all play the victim they don't know anything else. And sadly they are psychopaths because they are mentally ill and unstable. And I know exactly what you are going through my husband tells me all the I am a c**t, that I am worthless, he treats his kids like s**t, tells me I need help. I will admit I have my problems I suffer from very bad depression (not that he helps it) because I had family problems when I was younger and my mom passed away when I was 16 and I seen it. But I am not at all the person he makes me out to be. How I try to deal with him is let him get it out don't argue because i have learned not to add fuel to the fire for the fact he has threatened to kill me I just let him play the victim all he wants is the attention regardless if he scares people or if it is negative attention. Me and my husband have been separated for 2 years now and he does not see why. Bi-polar people without therapy to see that they have a problem will not admit that they have the illness. They believe everyone is making it up to hurt them, everyone is out to get them, etc. I wish you luck, the only thing I can is don't trust him if he has that much of an anger problem you never know when it can turn to violent rages of anger.

Leslie - posted on 10/21/2010

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Thanks for the help and encouragement ladies. I guess like Jenn said, there can be varying degrees of this illness --- some are violent, while others lean more to the depressive side. It appears when he is calmer, that is when he is the depression, but when he comes out of that, he's very agitated and confrontational. Scary stuff......you never know which side you will get and have to be like on egg shells. I would love to keep going to family functions, but I cannot risk him losing control during a dinner discussion (this is what happened) and cursing in front of my children.....again. So like Lainie says, love from afar. Until he actually gets on the right medication and some ongoing counseling. I believe that people can temporarily out of your life - especially if they may be violent --- but you can always leave a door open in some way for reconciliation. Although, it will be hard for him to "Take back" some of the nasty things he has said. somethings you just can't forget so easily.

Lainie - posted on 10/19/2010

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wow you guys need an intervention!!! sounds exactly like my sister in law CRAZY and always making trouble until he can admit he has a problem and get himself help I think it would be safer for you to love him from afar. It sounds like he sees you and other women as the weakest link and if he threatens you I would definately consider a restraining order he sounds like a time bomb ready to explode I think you need to take this person very seriously! I wish you all the best stay safe

Lacye - posted on 10/19/2010

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My brother-in-law is bi-polar. I used to live with him and my sister and their 3 kids. He was violent. Him and my sister were having a horrible argument one day and my sister came close to calling the cops. I had the phone in my hand and gave it to her because he was scaring me, her and their kids! He snatched the phone from her and almost hit me in the face with it and yelled at me to get the F-word out of his house. I jumped up and told him flat out he will not threaten me. He also told my sister that I was abusive to their kids, who I love just like they were my own and would never hurt them on purpose. But yeah. Your brother in law sounds a lot like how mine used to be. Since then, he has gotten on medication that really works for him and he has gotten great! That is what your brother in law needs to do. He needs to get help. He really needs to get on medication. If he's not on it yet, then they need to up his dosage. If they don't, it will only make things worse in the long run.

Jenn - posted on 10/19/2010

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My Mum is bi-polar. I would imagine as all people are different that all cases would be different. My Mum was NEVER violent like that. Sounds to me like he's just a dick and his already crappy personality is aggravated by his disease. Myself, I would probably stay away from him as much as possible, but I wouldn't stop going to any family functions or anything just because he's going to be there.