Discipline. To spank or not to Spank Your Point of View

Rachel - posted on 11/12/2010 ( 218 moms have responded )

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This is the all time contreversial question/ opinion. I personally do not thing spanking is a solution. I was spanked as a child, and it is easy for me to turn to as a mom. I have on occasion spanked my son. I am not proud of it, I felt so bad afterwards I had to apoligize to him. The question i have is where does spanking end and abuse beginn? Please tell me the difference between a spank on the bottom, a smack in the face and punch in the gut, because to me you get the same result. They cry because of fear, anxiety and stress. Someone said to me why would you spank your child for hitting.... doesn't that defeat the purpose. We all know monkey see monkey do. What would you do if your child spanked his teacher or classmates for misbehaving. I have seen a child say ok i was bad spank me.... and then they carry on.... What was the lesson there. I think it is more benifical for a child to lose a priviledge or a time out, because its not a 5 sec spank its a in my house 4 min time out ( 1 min per year old). Just wanting opinions i like to see things from a different point of view

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Lisa - posted on 11/12/2010

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While I don't believe in spanking, I do not agree with the lady who said spanking and child abuse could go hand in hand. However, there are times when I have given one of my children a "smack" on the butt and I'm sure some would say this is spanking. Fine, that's your opinion. This is done to usually get their attention or when other forms of discipline are not working and the behavior is continuing. For example, I had caught my 2 year old standing on the back of the recliner 4 times in the last 2 1/2 hours. It's dangerous and he could hurt himself. In instances such as this, I come up to him, smack his bottom (mind you he has clothes and a diaper on) and tell him, I’ve told you already that this is dangerous and you could get hurt…we DO NOT use furniture as step stools.
Discipline is discipline…whether it is positive or negative. There are forms of positive discipline that are effective and there are forms of negative discipline that are effective. However, there is a difference between punishment and discipline and this is what most people confuse.
Punishment is a parent focusing on controlling an unwanted behavior. Discipline is the child focusing on changing an unwanted behavior.
Spanking is a punishment. Can it be effective? Yes, in some instances punishment can be effective.
Behavior modification is a discipline and it can be positive or negative. Can it be effective? Yes, discipline can be effective but only if it is used properly.
So my final answer? Parents need to work on modifying unwanted behaviors and use appropriate means for the situation.

Chrystal - posted on 11/12/2010

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My opinion is that there is a difference between spanking and hitting. Spanking is discipline, and hitting is abuse.

Rachel - posted on 11/12/2010

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spanking is not abuse. a tap on the rear as a reminder/punishment for something that a child is doing that is wrong. especially when a child is young can work wonders. my son tries to run out on to the road that is extremely dangerous and consequences need to be handed out immediately personally I want my child to fear what will happen to him if he runs out in the road.

dicipline is done out of love, where as a good dividing line I have found/ heard is abuse is when you are punishing a child out of anger. spanking a child when you are angry is to me abuse. I explain why the child recieved the punishment no matter what that punishment is.

I know that as a child it was not a punishment for me to be put in a time out, or be talked to I have a very active immagination and the only form of punishment I responded to was getting spanked, and shock of all shocks I am a upstanding, and contributing member of society. I never did drugs, got in trouble with the law, I am a stay at home mom but I have no problem working. I had several full time jobs out of high school so I could pay for college. I know too many of my peers who had no discipline at home when they were young and they have a sense of entitlement, they deserve the best of everything with not working they can't show up to work and don't' take responsibility for their own actions, no matter what it is someone else's fault.

I am not saying to beat your child black and blue for an offense but, correction done in love would never do that.

Johnny - posted on 11/24/2010

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Spanking is punishment, it is not discipline. Discipline teaches, punishment is a penalty. It is not necessary to spank if you want a disciplined child. I am not suggesting that a simple spanking is abuse, but it is not a method of discipline. I will say that hitting in the face is very definitely abuse and as a former child protection worker, it would definitely get you investigated and at a minimum, sent to parenting classes. At a minimum.

Nikki - posted on 11/25/2010

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OMG, I certainly can't find my diplomatic side after reading this thread.

@Nicole C, I wish I could swat you in the mouth to see how you like it. For fuck sake what is wrong with you. Wake up to yourself people, I am really disturbed and disgusted at some of these responses, your poor children, I feel sad for them. Read a book and educate yourself. Fuck me, I swear to God educate yourself.

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I am an active admin as well as sara. Both have young children and we are celebrating Thanksgiving. We do look over the community and try our best this conversation was bought to my attention and I took care of the situation. Please feel free to bring it to our attention if you see any issues their are a lot of conversations going on here and we can't do it all but we try our best

Charlie - posted on 11/25/2010

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I don't think there are active Mods or admin on this community , but i totally agree Nikki .

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Nikki, I have called CPS on someone on COM before because of the abusive behavior they described repeatedly on the forums.

Nikki - posted on 11/25/2010

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lol, I normally try and be as constructive as I can in the hope of bringing some of them back from the dark side. I try and swallow my judgement in case they want to look for alternatives, which many have and I think it is admirable. But that comment about swatting her child across the face, I can't swallow that, that is pure low life mentality. I wish to god child services could be called on some of these people.

Nikki - posted on 11/25/2010

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I didn't expect my comment to still be here this morning, I know it is wildly inappropriate, but I just don't care right now.

Lydia - posted on 11/25/2010

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I think that any spanking out of anger is abusive, because it's a not rational and often uncontrolled reaction. The child doesn't learn anything from it except fear and violent behaviour. It is not even discipline in my eyes, it is a pure anger release for the parent. Smacking in the face is completely disrespectful and abusive.

However, I do think that spanking as a last resort can be useful for discipline if nothing else worked. It should not be done out of anger, and certainly most ways of spanking, smacking and beating are not acceptable. For me the only acceptable spank would be on the hands if the child doesn't stop touching/pulling/taking things that it's not supposed to touch (given the child is old enough and knows that it's not supposed to touch those things). But before spanking I would try to stop the child by simply holding the arm and making her/him put down whatever was taken. If it than continues to hold on to it or takes it again, I'd probably spank on the hands. This spank on the hands is also clearly connected to the wrong since it was done with the hands.

I think that spanking that can be heard is already beating and is in no way acceptable.

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Laura, just for the record, my above comment about the prisoner was in response to Liz's comment. Please don't think my frustration was directed at you...

Merry - posted on 11/24/2010

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Ok I should have said it is not LEGAL for a prisoner to be physically disciplined. Our laws protect the murderers and rapists from being physically harmed in jail.
Even if sentenced to death they are sedated, then given a shot to slowly stop their heart. All in the name of being civilized and humane to our worst criminals.

Jo - posted on 11/24/2010

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This post has made me sad on so many levels for the babies that are stuck in a situation where they are treated with such aggression from the people who are supposed to show them love and guidance.



My parents used spanking as a last resort with all 6 of us. I can think of less than a handful of times we got spankings between the 6 of us. Their disciplining techniques came from patience, understanding. guidance and teaching the appropriate positive way to grow and learn whatever the lesson may be.



We got warnings, time outs, chores, priviledges taken away and then we were told "if you do that again, you're going to get a spanking." It was the ultimate consiquence for continued misbehavior that was RARELY ever used.



We had boundaries, we had limits, we had rules, we had chores, we had responsibilities and we had a positive, loving, understanding and compassionate environment to learn and grow in. We have ALL benefited from our environment growing up. I think that EVERY child deserves that environment to grow in!



If people want to utilize spanking as a form of their disciplining methods - I truly hope they attempt all other methods first. It's not up to me to decide whether spanking will be used by any other parent, it's not something I condone though. I don't think children automatically are in a hostile hateful environment because they are spanked either... I just ultimately think and feel that they absolutely 100% deserve better.

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Prisoners are NOT allowed to be beaten. Just because some piece of shit guard looks the other way doesn't make it right! Are you fucking kidddin me? Ugh.

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Prisoners are allowed to be beaten, for certain crimes the guards will look the other way.

I don't expect anyone to change how they feel on this subject because of my opinion so don't expect me to. As a teenager I had no right to treat my mother that way and as an adult, 12 years later, I know this but at 15 I didn't care.

You who are against anything physical thats ok if that works for you. Honestly if you can get the results you want from using other ways then more power to you.

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Oh, Liz -- I feel sad for you. I'm sad that you were smacked in the mouth by someone that was supposed to love you and keep you safe, not to mention guide you through life. I am even more saddened that you feel like you deserved it. NO ONE deserves to be ABUSED like that. Parents need to be responsible for their own actions and teach their children the same. It doesn't matter what someone does or says, it doesn't give another human being the right to physically put their hands on someone, especially in the manner you've described.



I argue with my boyfriend.....things get heated and I've been known to call him a name or two and I definitely swear......does he have the right to smack me across the mouth if I call him a fucking asshole? Don't get me wrong, MY actions are less than desirable and I shouldn't call anyone names or swear BUT, under NO circumstances is it ok for someone to hit another person. Why do some of you feel that children are the exception?



Children should be the exception but in a polar opposite way. They should be treated with kindness and understanding. They're learning. Adults can defend themselves....children can't....not in a power struggle with a parent.



Please think about what you're doing

Merry - posted on 11/24/2010

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Nothing you could do deserves a physical punnishment.
You can NOT be bad enough to deserve to be slapped, hit, or spanked.
As a teenager you had the right to call 911 on your mom, and odds are she would have been in serious trouble for that.
Children might not have rights like that, but adults do have the right not to be hurt physically.
No one deserves to be abused, abuse meaning someone giving your body a physical punishment.

Even prisoners aren't allowed to be beaten, murderers who are on death row still get treated with respect.

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I have never slapped my children across the face but when I was a teenager I got slapped on a few occasions. Once because I called my mother a stupid bitch, once because I rode home with someone very drunk and once because I told her she was worthless. I was mouthy and in my opinion I deserved what I got. I don't think that was abuse in any way especially when I wasn't smacked hard enough to brooze.

Erin - posted on 11/24/2010

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Growing up myself I never was spanked, I got the leather belt. I can only remember a few times, but that's the point, there were few. My parents were in control and I understood. And I knew not to do those things again. When my son was around 2ish, he got more defiant, so I spanked him (a couple swats on the rear.) When I left the room I cried and cried. I guess it's not for me to discipline my children that way, but it's what worked for me growing up. Totally undecided on this subject. One parenting style may work with your first, but the next one may need a completely different parenting style. Not all children are the same :) As for parents who lose control, they need to be seeing someone about that.

Merry - posted on 11/24/2010

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When my son bit me I said a firm no with a finger pointed to his mouth, I said again no biting, you have to be gentle to mom. He hasn't done it since. He doesn't want to hurt me. If he wanted to hurt me and bit me intentionally I would do the same and follow up with a age appropriate time out when afterwords I'd explain again in words he understands why biting is wrong and how he can tell me he is angry in other ways.
I want him to be civilized in his discipline, not so primal. He has a brain, it's not full grown but we know how much our kids can comprehend at every age so just make it age appropriate. They can learn from their brain, not just from their butts.

Mika - posted on 11/23/2010

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I agree with most of the responses here. I was abused as a child. And when I say abused, I mean drowned in the bathtub and "spanked" tilI puked out my nose and mouth, then had to clean it up. When I first had my son, Caleb, the line between spanking and abusing was the blurriest line I had ever seen, lol. So I disciplined him the wrong way. I asked for help a few times, and got none, so I had to figure it out on my own, which caused Caleb and myself a LOT of heartache. As kids are vcery resilient, I am glad that by the time he was 1, maybe 1 1/2 I had begun to figure some things out.
With my kids, if I feel myself yelling at them or cussing at them, that means that somebody needs a nap,so usually I tell both my kids to take a nap, and I take one too lol. That way, everybody wakes up in a better mood. If they are doing something wrong, I will definitely say something to them, send them to their room, take things away like games or privileges, etc. But it has to really be something going on for a looooooong while that would cause me or their father to spank them, and even then its usually a couple swats to the ass or hands. Now I know how my kids are, and they are very vdry hardheaded in certain things. My son used to kick the hell outta people, all the time. I spoke to him, took things away, etc. I did everything I could to not spank him, and then he kicked me. Well, yeah I was mad as hell, but I talked to him til I calmed down. Then I made him take off his shoes, and I took a ruler and popped his feet 3 times each. He hasn't kicked anyone since. So I think that in order to effectively discipline your kids, you have to make sure you don't do it out of anger because THAT is where abuse comes from because i feel like doing it out of anger takes all the control and positive effectiveness out of the point in the spanking to begin with. I know myself, and refuse to spank out of anger because I know that if I am angry, I will hurt my babies, and so I will make them go as far away from me as possible at that time. And I will tell them that I feel like hitting them but I don't want to because it will hur them, so I need a few minutes. They understand, because I explain it to them. I try to explain as much as I possibly can to them, because I never want them to think that I don't love them. I need them to understand that self control is key.

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Me three, which is also why I'm so passionate about positive discipline techniques. For me, it's not JUST about not spanking. It's about building a foundation and a positive environment for Roxanne to feel safe and be able to learn.

One positive thing that came from my abusive childhood!

*making lemonade*

Charlie - posted on 11/23/2010

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Nikkole , congrats on trying to break the cycle it is by no means easy but it is worth it , I too have had to break the cycle for a better life for my kids and a better relationship between my kids and myself to respect each other as human beings .

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You're here, you're open to new ideas, you're learning and applying things to your daily life....I think you're doin' a great job!

Nikkole - posted on 11/23/2010

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Thanks i just want better for my kids i know im not perfect but im trying to be the best mom i can be :)

Cat - posted on 11/23/2010

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Moms, please think about this. The face is the doorway to a person's soul. When we go out, don't we all wash our faces and put on make up to look presentable? When we meet someone, isn't their face one of the first things we look at? When you love someone, don't you kiss them on the cheek or on the lips? What to do you think hitting someone's face does to them? What do you think happens to their spirit? We all love our children. The last thing we want to do is break their spirit. My mom smacked me in the face once. And though it wasn't hard, I remember that over the several times she's hugged me. It was the smack that had the lasting impression.

There is nothing my kids could ever say to me that would make me hit them in the face, ever.

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I completely agree with is why I'm SO appalled that these women think it's necessary, acceptable, justifiable? It's NOT people.

I can SORT OF understand "spanking" your child, but, I will NEVER understand, agree with, find it acceptable to smack, slap, bite, or administer ANY kind of physical force to a child's face. It's wrong! It IS abuse. I'm disgusted!

Cat - posted on 11/23/2010

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@Nikkole, I commend you for breaking the cycle!!! A lot of people refuse to see the connection with how they were raised how they are raising their children. You remember how you felt when you were hit and I applaud you with realizing that, it wasn't right then and are trying to not do it to your kids now. I was in the same place as you, my parents hit me out of anger and often times with slippers and things like that. I too felt in the beginning that it was OK to spank and now after a lot of thought and research, I feel it is not the best way to raise children.



@Susan, I agree with you, that any parent who spanks with a smile on their face is purely scary and diabolical. That would be disturbing and VERY confusing to a child.



@Loureen and Dana, I agree. I think hitting is wrong, but more so, to hit a child in the face, I feel is an absolute violation. You can do so much damage to their self-esteem.

Nikkole - posted on 11/23/2010

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My mom used to smack me in the mouth when i was a teenager! ONE time i went on a walk with a friend i was 14 and she was 16 and we walked a block away to a friends house there was my now husband his brother and sisters and friends well we road up to this house he wanted to show us that his mom was going to buy it was about 2miles away we came Straight back well my mom had found out and she came down to my now husbands house and screamed at me in front OF EVERYONE and Smacked me in the back of the head and kept doing it all the way home! When we did something wrong she would throw shoes hair brushes anything she could grab at the time! I Am now REALIZING since being on COM that i do have some issues from this and i realize i spank my kids because of it i think and i have not Spanked my son in 4weeks im trying everything in my power to break the cicle in my family! So i was for spanking but now im its not for my family but i think if it works for you then thats good for you!

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I can't believe a few of you are admitting and OK with the fact that you've smacked your children in the mouth. There is NO justification for that. Sorry! I will not apologize for my comment, Nicole. How was it nasty? It's my opinion and I didn't call anyone any names.

Charlie - posted on 11/23/2010

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Slapping a child accross the face is absolutely abuse and can get you charged with an offence in Australia , what a gross abuse of power .

Susan - posted on 11/23/2010

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Pearls talk about spanking with a smile on your face. Both my husband and I believe if you show that you are happy while you are spanking a child, that is wrong. Do you take pleasure in spanking the child? I know that when I had to spank my children I was not happy with the child nor was I happy that I had to spank them. To laugh or smile while you spank shows pleasure in discipline.

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@Susan, I agree with you that not all children are the same and that many times what works for one mom will not work for another. However there has been a lot of discussion here about "the right" way to spank, and I ask what is the "right" way? Many spanking moms on here will contradict each other, some saying with the hand or some saying never with the hand etc. And also saying that you never spank in anger. But honestly, how many parents spank in anger? I have never seen a parent spank who is not angry. I'm sure many of you are able to and that's great, but there are many children out there who are getting hit in the heat of anger. And while it may not leave a mark that doesn't mean it doesn't leave a psychological scar.

And you make an interesting point in not spanking in anger, BUT also not "waiting till the time is right." Think about that statement for a second. If you don't "wait till the time is right," then won't the parent be spanking while somewhat angry and not yet cooled off? That statement alone contradicts. When in your opinion is the "right" time and the "right" way??

Susan - posted on 11/23/2010

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I believe it depends on the child also. Sometimes a child will be responding to the discipline of a spanking and other times losing privileges. If you find yourself spanking almost all the time, then I feel like you need to find some other way to discipline your child. Same if taking privileges away seems not to work, a good spanking might be in the right order of business. Spanking in anger is never good, but then waiting until the "time is right" is not good either because a child forgets what he did that was wrong. Take time to properly identify what will work, then go from there.

Nicole - posted on 11/23/2010

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And no I don't think you need to spank your child. some kids are easier to disapline then others...I however got a stubborn child! For me sometimes spanking is more effective then just a time-out. But Other methods can be just as effective with other children!! So NO i don't think spanking is for everyone, and I don't think it's the only effective form either!!!

Nicole - posted on 11/23/2010

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Ok Dana you are just getting nasty now! I have swatted my son in the mouth for telling me NO, and For Biting me. It's something that as a parent i will not stand for! if I ask you a question and the answer is no that's totally diff and he knows the diff. I agree with the one who said that we are raising a soft generation! So many people are getting walked on by their kids, because they have NO disapline....my cousins and my husbands cousins are Completley disrespectful to their parents and everyone else because there was no disapline, Kids I nanny'd for were spoild brats because there was no disapline!! Just because she hit her child for swearing (which I totally agree with, depending on the age of the child) doesn't mean she's going to hit people when she's not around...or grow up to think it's ok to abuse her own kids! I was spanked as a child...a bit to much (even my mom will admit that now) but I wasn't going around getting into fights, or hitting other people for the fun of it....and I only spank my child when the situation calls for it. and when I do it's enought o get his attention and that's it...I don't do it to hurt him....

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@Susie, I think it's sad that you think just because you don't hit, slap, spank your kids that we're raising them "soft." That is SO untrue. My children are very well behaved - they don't lie, they don't swear, they don't hit each other, and they don't talk back to me and I can't think of a single malicious thing they do. And I have NEVER hit them. My husband and I do discipline them however, with time-outs, removal of privileges and toys and also with sincere talks where we explain things to them in ways they can understand.

@Deborah, you said you spank your 7 year old for screaming, hitting and punching. I'm wondering if maybe her aggression could be a side effect of spanking? I know my daughter and I also teach dance to several 7 and 8 year olds and they all seem too mature for that kind of behavior. My daughter did swat my face one time in her life and that was when she was 2. But even my 5 year old son doesn't scream, hit and punch. Of course I'm not an expert and there could be many other factors, but it was just a thought.

I know spanking is a controversial issue and it will be till the end of time. The one thing though that does bother me is that several moms think that if you don't leave a mark or if they don't remember it, then it's not abuse. That is not true. I'm not saying that spanking is abuse BUT don't try to gauge it by "whether or not it will leave a mark or if they will remember it.

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IMHO
I think you can effectively discipline with out spanking. I can not think of one time when I felt I needed to spank to teach my children anything.
I think the question of when spanking is abuse is subjective to what a person feels is abuse and what the law states as to where you live. This is a huge gray area.
The issue I have is if I got my husband really angry and he hit me, everyone I know would state it is never right to hit.
If I were at a night club and a patron next to me had a few too many drinks and started an argument with me and I got so angry as to hit them, Most would agree I was wrong to hit and a bigger person if I walked away.
In fact most people state one should only hit in self defense...
So why can we "spank" (if you like to call hitting spanking) our children and it be justified as a means to discipline? I simply can't find the justification therefore I find it wrong.

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AND, what do you want a bet that she thinks it's ok to do the same to her children. What you did in NOT acceptable, despite what you think or say, Susie!

Susie - posted on 11/23/2010

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That is just bull pucky. They do not see discipline as monkey see monkey do. Who says this?? I slapped my daughter in the face one time for swearing at me. She never once went around slapping anyone's face! Also, if you 'do it right' the first time most kids do not become repeat offenders of anything serious. BTW, it is 'on the butt' only no more than 3 smacks WITH YOUR HAND. Never but never apologize for it! You just undid the discipline. We are raising a soft nation with kids getting too much for too little too soon! Put the kids first, not your feelings. My 4 are all grown with families of their own and they never remember me ever laying a hand on them. I disciplined as a toddler the right way evidently. Good luck!

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@Dana - Thanks! I thought I should start getting festive!
@Loureen - You make excellent points! WWJD? Not hit kids!
@Laura - I agree!

Merry - posted on 11/22/2010

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Loureen, i have to say.... thankyou!
yes we have to discipline our jkids, but we need not be physically harming them
if tis not ok to do it as an adult its not ok to do it to a child.
if their teacher, babysitter etc shouldnt do it, why should we?

and lastly Karen, in my last post i origionally started out as saying i would be praying for your heart to be opened, but guess what! MY God told me that was rude, insensitive, condescending, judgemental, and impolite. so i deleted that sentence.
Maybe you too should have thought twice before saying somthing so un-christ like.
WHO are you to think your relationship with God is better then mine? Why can you tolerate that type of pride in yourself towards me, all because i dont think mothers should strike their children?
Why on earth would you be this adament on justifying your right to raise your hand to your child in discipline? is spanking your kids that important to you that you would offend a sister in Christ to argue your 'side'?
all im saying is that spanking is not something that deserves defending, any form of discipline isnt worth being so rude to another christian.

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If you spank a child in anger or to cause pain then it is not a good thing but if you do (as I do) give the 1 cup hand swat on the butt (the echo shocks more then anything )when my child's temper or antics are out of control then that is good being used as a ice breaker when nothing else works. I can stand there for up to an hour with my now 7 year old yellng, screaming, hitting, punching, or what ever and during this hour am telling her that it is not ok to hurt Mommy: when I am at my breaking point then will give her a cup swat on the butt which shocks her and makes her madder then ever for a minute or so before she realizes that Mommy is not going to put up with this anymore and then she will go play quietly until she has calmed down enough to apologize and we discuss what just happened. Sometimes the discuss can backfire and everything begins again but she never gets me to the breaking point again til the next time shes needs a gentle yet firm reminder that treating people the way she does will not be tolerated..

Charlie - posted on 11/22/2010

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I am completley against spanking in all its forms , i have no right to violate anyone ( including my childs ) rights to bodily integrity .

As for the religious aspect it was NEVER god or Jesus who said to " spare the rod " and all that came from king solomon NOT Jesus , Jesus respected children .

If you take the Bible seriously, you have to notice Jesus' attitude toward children. It was wise, loving, and filled with compassion. Even when anxious adults wanted to shoo the children away, Jesus rebuked the adults. "Of such," he said, "is the kingdom of heaven." Given this attitude, it's hard to conceive of Jesus hitting a child on any occasion or for any reason. It's simply not consistent with what he taught. If Jesus wouldn't hit a child, why would we?

1. Jesus was overwhelmingly committed to non-violent response, even in situations of high stress and conflict. Corporal punishment is a violent act against a child’s body. It is not a response which is consistent with what Jesus demonstrated.
2. Jesus was committed to the beauty, sanctity, innocence and life-giving character of children. "Unless you become like a child," he said, "you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." It is hard to imagine that Jesus would sanction the practice of hitting those in whose very presence the kingdom is made real.
3. Jesus was committed to love and forgiveness as both the means and the end of all human relationships. These two qualities form the very foundation of his ministry. An action such as spanking which is clearly intended to cause pain hardly qualifies for what Jesus would call an "act of love."

For these reasons, I am convinced that corporal punishment is opposed to biblical teaching.

If you follow the word of king solomon you are following the word of a a man who was not loyal to his god and worshipped pagen gods , theres some food for thought .

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God and the Bible should NEVER be someones argument. God gave everyone free will -- use it!

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Hi Karen,

I checked out that site, but that's not what I'm looking for. That's just a site with quotes from the bible. I'm talking about a site that proves spanking is good backed by studies and research of actual children. I'm not going to hit my kids because the bible tells me so. That is not right for me.



I don't think Dr. Sears is completely wrong in his assessment as many parts of the bible are misinterpreted and taken too literally. Many things in it do not apply today.



Anyway, I'm not going to get in a bible discussion because that's not what this topic is about. But thanks for the link anyway.

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