what are your thoughts on baby/child immunizations alot of people these days are for & against

Jaime - posted on 08/30/2010

I think whether you decide to vaccinate or not, you are taking risks. There are some kids that have severe adverse reactions to vaccines and in worst case scenarios, die as a result. But it's no different than children who are not vaccinated, coming down with a severe illness and dying because their immune system can't fight the strength of the disease. Vaccines have a high rate of success for the majority of the population, so I have chosen to vaccinate my son and I'm confident in my decision.

Christi - posted on 08/29/2010

im sorry but some of these posts are just plain funny. vaccines are made of aborted fetuses, lady, use your brain! im sure you think the government killed elvis and marylin monroe too, or that they harbored aliens in roswell. i am anti abortion as well, but that is just stupid.



and for the parents that freak out because there is a chemical in the vaccine, uh, hello, damn near everything you touch, including food has come in contact with some sort of chemical or another. children cannot live in plastic bubbles as much as you want them too. i guess you think minimal exposure to sunlight is going to make you child break out in boils and cancer spots too. or that if you scan milk the 'radiation' from the scans will spoil the milk and kill you. oh please people. use common sense!



oh and one last rant, for the people who say vaccines cause autism, where is your proof? there are children that don't get vaccines that are autistic. truth is we haven't discovered what causes autism. my sister and my son are both autistic, but that doesn't mean i am going to risk my son dying of measles or whooping cough because i am paranoid of what 'might' cause his condition. some think it is genetic, others some mutation in the dna that goes awry during pregnancy. all i know is that i will do what is in his best interest and what will guarantee him and loooong, healthy life.



i have seen that episode of law and order svu, and yes the mother did end up being charged with manslaughter. you say oh that could never happen to me, but you don't know that. you risk not only your child, but children who are not old enough to have their vaccines yet because you are arrogant. makes my blood boil.

Michelle - posted on 08/27/2010

My mother is a survivor of polio...I would not wish the pain she deals with on a daily basis on either of my children. I am just as concerned about the risks involved...but having read up on the issue feel the risk of not getting the shots is far greater than those of getting them.

Nancy - posted on 08/27/2010

I do it. I trust doctors and medical boards to know more about medical stuff than I do. I think the risks of the diseases are much higher than the risks of the immunizations. I know a few people who don't immunize, and every now and then see a "scare tactic" video or something about side effects and deaths from immunizations. We feel the benefits outweigh the risks. We do it on the regular schedule, whatever the pediatrician's office recommends. But if you want an alternate schedule, check out Dr. Sears. I think you can find his alternate schedule at www.askdrsears.com Do what feels right for you, but I think unvaccinated children are putting other children at risk, esp those who can't be vaccinated, either because of health issues or because they are too young. Good luck!

Jacquie - posted on 08/27/2010

We are on a delayed vaccine schedule- I home-school and my eldest had her vaccines normally and has a lot of neurological problems, so when my youngest was born I went the delayed route.

Fiona - posted on 08/27/2010

i'm getting Ronin done as u know n i know ur worried bout the side effects with his medical problems but he should be fine babe :)

Alyssa - posted on 08/27/2010

My son is up-to-date on all of his vaccines and to answer Kristen, I had all of the same ones he's had minus chicken pox which wasn't covered by our insurance at the time.

I've read of children going on vacation out of the country where these vaccines aren't pushed or aren't available, contracting the disease and then passing it along to other children. I'm not going to put my children at risk at ALL. I may not have had the chicken pox vaccine, but my son will. I remember having chicken pox I also remember my little sister having it a week after mine had cleared up. My little sister's case was far worse then mine was. She had them down her throat, in her eyes, in her ears, along with every inch of her exposed skin. The girl was miserable. I was most unlucky to have contracted chicken pox while dealing with a severe case of strep throat (I know, sounds stupid right?). I ended up with JRA (Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis) because of a compromised immune system due to having both strep and chicken pox at the same time. The physical pain I had to deal with for 11 years of my life was not worth it. My mother never went a day for YEARS not wishing she had shelled out the money for the vaccine.

As for the flu vaccine, it really is almost pointless because there are so many strains but because of the problems I have with my immune system, I have to get it. And there is no scientific evidence that what I've got isn't genetic. My son had a flu vaccine simply because of my history. I don't doubt for a second my decision on having his vaccinations done.

If you're worried about adverse effects, you can always split up the vaccines to different days/weeks/months. A friend of mine always made sure to get the name and batch number of the vaccination her daughter received so that if she ever had a reaction to it, it could be reported immediately and if any other child had a similar reaction it was known and properly dealt with.

Toni - posted on 08/27/2010

FOR, my thoughts are if you can keep your child from getting sick, and some of what they are immunizing for can be fatal. why risk it.

Sarah - posted on 08/27/2010

kinda reminds me of an SVU episode I watched (I know its a tv show but most of the episodes are based on true stories) basically what happened was that a woman decided not to immunise her child and her child got sick with the measles and was playing in a public park and passed it on to a baby who was too young to be immunised against measles. i think the mother of the unimmunised child got convicted with manslaughter and ordered to immunise her child (i can't remember i will go back and watch it though) it got me thinking about the legality of not immunising your child and them infecting a child too young to be immunised. I'm not saying to those who don't wish to that you should or that you may to jail if you choose not to but it's food for thought

Alice - posted on 08/27/2010

All I'm saying is research it for yourself. There's lots of info out there. I was never given the information that said vaccinations could harm people until I took nursing and microbiology classes in college. Then I dug deeper on my own. As parents it is our responsibility to make informed decisions. I don't do vaccines anymore because of several things I've found. My choice. I'm also not saying that other moms who do vaccinate are "bad," my two elder girls are vaccinated. I just hate people saying that if we choose not to vaccinate we are "child abusers," we aren't. It's just like food choices, toy choices, or anything else. It's our job to make informed choices and then we live with the consequences of those decisions. My mom gave us the "full schedule" of vaccinations in her day... I don't call her a bad mom for that.

I like to help people make informed decisions. If you never hear the "bad side" of something, you probably won't research it. It isn't my business what other moms do unless they are physically causing harm (beating, mutilating, etc.) and then I will stop it or call someone to stop it. People also don't realize that you can get a religious exemption form (some states offer "intellectual exemption" forms too) so they can go to school. Information is knowledge and knowledge is power. Research issues for yourself and make your own decision. Please don't call people names because they make a different choice than you do. Thanks.

Sarah - posted on 08/27/2010

I might just add my mother saw her first case of Mumps the other day she's been nursing for over 20 years and couldn't believe that the mother didn't immunise her child...sadly my mother thinks he will die because it's so severe

Sarah - posted on 08/27/2010

I'm for it! if it was good enough for my mother to do it (she's a pediatric nurse) then it's good enough for my son. I did have someone try and talk me into natural alternatives but after much research i decided not to take the risk, that and its not recognised in the state i live in which means he wouldn't be allowed to start school when hes older

Elysia - posted on 08/27/2010

im all for immunizing my children. based on what information i have obtained the very severe side effects are few and far bwtween and the mild side effects arent even that common. And not that i would want my child to have any kind of reaction but i would much rather have a little discomfort than contract the disease and suffer far worse.

Elizabeth - posted on 08/26/2010

I have immunized both my girls (now almost 6 and 3.5). They had no side effects ever. They do get the flu shot because we had a bad case of the flu a few years back and I didn't want to risk that happening again. My oldest daughter did break out in hives I believe it was the day after or the 2nd day after her kindergarten shots but that was because she had strep throat and I was told that was part of the strep throat. I am for the immunizations.

Rachael - posted on 08/26/2010

Everyone knows someone right...I know someone that was in a car accident so I never ride in a car...such a stupid form of reasoning. Not getting your child vaccinated is bordering on child abuse. Unless there are already health issues that vaccinating would further complicate, there is absolutly no good reason not to vaccinate your child. The benefits FAR outway the risks...bottom line!

Stifler's - posted on 08/26/2010

When I was going on nursing placement we weren't allowed without Hep B immunity or we had to sign a waiver that said the hospital is not responsible for any Hep B you contract. I wasn't allowed to work at an aged care facility without them either.

Stifler's - posted on 08/26/2010

That's why there are boosters... You get the same ones at 2 months, 4 months, 6 months, 1 year, I'm sure that I had tetanus boosters every 5 years as a kid and MMR and now there's one for Hep B and C. You can have your immunity tested with a blood test.

Deborah - posted on 08/26/2010

Thats a mixed response from me i am afraid, i pondered deeply with lou an mya, i thought long an hard, but did give them, i was worried for a while after they had their injections, but what i tend to do is give them the Calpol or the Nurophen before the actual jab so that if their is going to be a temperature the medication is already in place, an if the temp does not come the child is still comfortable..... hope this helps, I have 4 an they all had all their jabs, an they are fine.....

Sarah - posted on 08/26/2010

Alice, as a vaccinating mother, I am not at all afraid of my child being around someone who isn't vaccinated. He is protected for the time being...no maybe not for life, but for now he is. And I also understand that vaccinations don't protect you 100% from getting a certain illness. You hear about people everyday whose child got an illness and they WERE vaccinated. But, normally the course of the illness is less severe & shorter in a vaccinated child. What I am afraid of are the innocent newborns or younger infants who have not yet had their full course of vaccinations. These babies are being put at risk if they are exposed to a child who is carrying a severe illness or disease.

Kendra - posted on 08/26/2010

Everything in this world could potentially cause us harm; the air we breathe, the water we drink, the street we walk down, the people we talk to. Vaccines are no different.
I understand and agree with both sides. If you don't wanna do it then don't. If you do, that's great! But everyone is making it sound like those who are getting them done are damning their children and those who aren't are killing everyone else's. Geez ppl, really?
It's a choice. We make choices everyday and some of them can be deadly. Can't we just respect one another? Why do we NEED to find someone to point a finger at.
We are all trying to be the best mothers we can be. Can't we stand on that common ground instead of trying to pull it out from underneath one another?

Alice - posted on 08/26/2010

Vaccines aren't protection for life... they expire between 2 years and 10 years time. Any nurses' drug book, the vaccine inserts, and the CDC website tell you that.
I find it funny that a mom of a child "protected for life" from diseases would be scared of someone who isn't vaccinated. Doesn't that prove that vaccines don't work? Shouldn't those who aren't vaccinated be scared of those walking around carrying several life viruses? lol!

Ava - posted on 08/26/2010

There are some risks with vaccines, but the likelihood of that happening is far outweighed by the chance nothing at all will go wrong and your child will be protected for life from a disease that could be prevented. Autism, also, has been proven not to be caused by vaccines. Autism is likely genetic and comes down through passing your genes to the child, not through vaccines.

Stifler's - posted on 08/26/2010

omg. that's what i meant. i'm aware people have them for other reasons. if they are going to do it anyway they might as well use the foetus to make vaccines. i doubt there are foetus farms where people get pregnant and have an abortion for use to make vaccines.

Nicole - posted on 08/26/2010

not every one does abortions for not wanting a child. keep that in mind when talking to people that have had one and have had friends go through them as well.

and no but if its going to happen you may as well make use of it...that like saying your against organ donors some one else's life failed but one of their parts can save another life or keep another person well.

why not say you are against organ donation too?

Stifler's - posted on 08/25/2010

People have abortions because they don't want a kid, not for making vaccines.

Nicole - posted on 08/25/2010

?? wow do i feel like i am back in high school with people telling me not to eat salami because of earthobait( earth worms) when you read closer is says erithobaite ( sp?) its not the same.... i want to see where in fine print they actually say ABORTED fetus... yeah i read that site. and i saw where they said cells from male lung tissue ....but aborted? ok now you know there are medical causes for abortions too right? like my friends baby died inside her and it had to come out what is it supposed to rot in there and infect her uterus and kill her?



not to mention ever think as to who is posting this site??? that i s like the makers of sugar always posting that nutrisweet will cause tumor cells . they over blow it to get you to stick with real sugar over artificial sugar..... and no nutrisweet does not cause cancer cells in the brain or cushion's disease. its a tactic to scare people to get you to use one product over another ...show me another site made by different people with another research company's facts and then maybe ill be a believer. even then this shows you a list of vaccines and whats in them opt for one wiht out human cells dont just read the first and opt them all out ...

edit * the only one i noticed any trace of human cells was used in measles only.....and even then is was a 50 /50 split half wiht and half with out. read all facts people.

Nicole - posted on 08/25/2010

well one im for it and becaue of immunization they no longer have to give small pox vaccine because its been completely eradicated. now for other things not so much. and it back in the days when those that are now 20 - 30 yrs old even our parents those were the the days vaccines were most dangerous.
now a days less goes into making the vaccines so they are safer. you can even wikipedia this or go to your local hospital and talk to a communicable disease specialist and they will tell you about all the changes and all the benefits to vaccines now compared to then. and why its important that you should

secondly, i don't know where every one else lives but in the state of Ohio your child can not attend school with out being current on their shots. no shots no education unless you have the time and money to home school. frankly i think this is a good policy children already spread germs like no tomorrow especially the younger they are. i don't need my child to catch a fatal illness from another child.

Sarah - posted on 08/25/2010

I am 100% confident in my decision to have my son vaccinated. He is 11 months old & has been fully vaccinated right on schedule. I read a very informative article at the health food store yesterday & I wish I would have brought it home with me. The information was from the American Academy of Pediatrics regarding the importance of having your child fully vaccinated. The AAP website has a lot of good vaccination information.

Also, Alice said that good hand washing can prevent a lot of germs from spreading. While this is VERY true & hand washing IS very important, it won't help stop the spread of airborne & droplet diseases such as whooping cough, diphtheria, haemophilus influenzae type B, etc. Coughing, sneezing, and even simply talking or laughing can spread these illnesses.

Kylie - posted on 08/25/2010

my son has always had his shots. i know the risks of a bad reacton, and when he had his mmr he ended up with a really high fever, we took him to the hospital. but we've never considered not getting it for him. All preschools and schools in Aust request this info when you are enroling, it's impotant for everyone health, and also, if someone does get sick, you need to know who is at risk. that how they see it, if you are not immunized you are at risk.

Clare - posted on 08/25/2010

After a lot of consideration and research on having the jabs for my lil ones......I decided to go ahead, the benefits far out weigh the reasons not to have them in my opinion.

Alice - posted on 08/25/2010

My youngest two have never had vaccinations (when I learned that aborted fetal tissue was in the vaccines, I stopped using them... I asked my pediatrician is she knew and she said "we have to use our resources and if you won't vaccinate, I won't see your children." I asked her if she could get alternate vaccines and she scoffed and told me I was a prude. My younger two girls are far healthier than my older two; they get sick far less and have less severe symptoms when they do get sick.
Then I went on a crusade to find out everything about vaccines I could... I was so shocked and so saddened by it... so many poor little victims... And... all of those diseases "eradicated" by vaccinations? Just look a bit farther back inthe timelines and you'll see that the advent of knowledge about germs and washing of hands had eradicated most of those diseases just before vaccines came along.

Alice - posted on 08/25/2010

http://vaccinetruth.org/ Or you can dig through drug handbooks, manufacterer's websites, and CDC material to find all the stuff that's lumped together on this site.

Stifler's - posted on 08/25/2010

I'd like also to see the studies that prove the autism was directly caused by the immunization! Autism doesn't come out at birth, it often comes out a while after. I'm pretty sure more people were fine from them than not or we still wouldn't be encouraged to get them so strongly.

Bridgette - posted on 08/25/2010

One other thing:

Before chosing read the ingredient list...
http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredi...

Follow the link above.
Pick your vaccine.
Read the list.

Oh...you can click on the ingredients to find out what they are....

Like Human Diploid cells: MRC5 proteins:(human diploid cells, aborted fetuses)

Derived from normal lung tissue of a 14-week-old male fetus by J. P. Jacobs in September 1966 (Nature 227: 168-170, 1970)

Oh I'm a Christian (UPCI/Apostolic/Pentecostal) who doesn't believe in Abortion so because of my religious belief I actually can't get or have my children get certain shots without being a hyopcrite:
Vaccines that use aborted fetuses:
Acambis 1000 (smallpox) Acambis -- MRC5
Avaxim (hepatitis A) Pateur Merieux -- MRC5
Biavax (mumps, rubella) Merck -- RA273, WI-38
Ervevax (rubella) Smithkilne Beecham -- MRC5
Havarix (hepatitis A) Smithkilne Beecham -- MRC5
Imovax HDCV, DCO (rabies) Pasteur Merieux Connaught -- MRC5
Meruvax II (rubella) Merck -- RA273, WI-38
MMR II (Measles, mumps, rubella) Merck Sharp & Dohme -- WI-38
MR VAX (measles, rubella) Merck -- RA273, WI-38
Poliovax (polio, IPV) MRC5
Priorix (measles, mumps, rubella) Smithkline Beecham -- MRC5
Proquad (mmr, chickenpox/varicella) Merck -- RA273, WI-38, MRC5
Twinrix (hepatitis A and B) GSK -- MRC5
VAQTA (hepatitis A) MSD -- MRC5
Varivax (chickenpox, varicella) MSD -- WI-38
Zostavax (shingles) Merck -- MRC5, WI-38

Bridgette - posted on 08/25/2010

NOT SAFE.... My oldest son had severe reactions to them. So at 9 months we stopped. Our other children have not had any shots.

A friend of ours that was stationed with us in Hawaii, had a child DIE after receiving a round of SHOTS. (God rest his soul and the parents). We did not know them at the time it happened, but you could still hear the anger and frustration in the voice of the parents when vaccines were brought up.

KAYLA & VALERIE..... I just want to say this. Our gov't doesn't set out to protect us from all harm. Money talks... Look on tv... they have commericals with bleach and lysol being used on children's toys. HELLO THESE ARE DANGEROUS CHEMICALS. Read the warning labels and research on the internet about the dangers of chemicals in household cleaners, personal care products, baby items & shampoos. THERE IS FORMALHYDE IN BABY SHAMPOO & BABY PRODUCTS.

We started going more natural without kids. We buy our household cleaners from Melaleuca (yes I'm an independent rep...this is not an ad...if you are interested please email me). The kids get NO shots. We homeschool. Next summer we are going to try to raise our own organic veggies. I buy some things organic.

Valerie - posted on 08/25/2010

Here is the link to the article referring to the original study linking MMR to autism and what has happened recently surrounding this study.

http://www.skepdic.com/wakefield.html

Valerie - posted on 08/25/2010

Kayla....you should also check your research before harassing others. The only "problems" mercury had ever caused was a slight rash at the injection site. But the manufacturers voluntarily removed the mercury in them. There are still traces in a few, but less than what you would even get from eating sea food or fish. They are not a problem.

As for your quoting the link between autism and MMR that was debunked years ago. You should check your research. 10 out of the 12 doctors retracted their support of the original study claiming MMR caused autism. Issues included they only studied 12 children in all, and that the doctor who conducted the study was getting large sums of money from a company who was hoping to create an alternate medication to rival the MMR vaccine. So he had monetary gain if they were to eliminate the competition. Several large and well conducted studies since then have proven time and time again that while the symptoms tend to occur at the same time, one does not cause the other. (Just as if you were to do a study finding that so many car accidents happen on the way home from being immunized does not mean the immunizations caused the accident.)

I never mentioned flu or chicken pox or any of these to be the immunizations I was referring to. I have no issues with not immunizing your kids against "minor" diseases we have all had. I was referring to the major ones, like what you had listed. I also never said using a different time schedule was bad either. In fact, in previous postings I was one who had said it was arrogant to think that immunizations were somehow different from all medications and wouldn't have side effects for some. They do. I merely pointed out when looking at the probabilities of both occurring, and the severity of what happens to me immunizations are the better choice, hands down. I was also just pointing out the flawed logic in saying you would rather your child be hurt by something you didn't do than by something you did. To me it still means the same thing.

I totally understand if you look at the negatives of both sides and then choose what you feel to be the lesser of two evils. To me that is logical. It is not logical to say I would rather my child be hurt by my lack of action than by my action. To me that argument makes no sense. I hope you can see the distinction between to the two forms of decision making.

Valerie - posted on 08/25/2010

Could you please post the link to this data you just quoted stating half the doctors don't immunize their own children? I would like to see that one for myself as my father is a doctor and none of the collegues he has ever met in his 30 years of practice skipped immunizing her children. So I find that data a little difficult to believe.

Kayla - posted on 08/25/2010

Patience Cavins - There still is murcury in some of them just not AS MUCH so it is CONSIDERED safe.... Maybe you should do a little more research on that one?

Valerie Swenson - Do you really think the people making money off these vaccines are going to tell you that they are not good for your child or can damage your child just as much as getting the disease its self? NO theyre NOT... Just like anyone else they dont want to be out of a job. Also, Im sorry I don't think it's going to kill my child if she gets the flu bug or anything else that can be treated after she gets it.I have had the flue and yes while its uncomfortable it goes away. Like I said in my previous post - were only going to do what is necessary for our family when it's necessary. I know far too many babies who developed autism within days of getting their shots. It is not only the MMR shot with disgusting/terrible ingredients causing the problem. I also said my children will get the shots that are for diseases (like polio) that can kill my child. Im sorry but I am not going to fill my child with toxins just so I can HOPE she doesnt get sick. Children will get sick its part of building their immune system. The diseases that do pose life threatening risks I will have my daughters immunized for AFTER theyre in school. Everything else im sorry but I feel is just another way for Dr's to make a quick buck. You dont have to feel the same way as I do but you are also not going to "scare" me into believing what you do or thinking what I believe is wrong. Did you know half the Dr's in the US - people who know much more about these vaccines - arent even vaccinating their children?! Think about that one. Think about why that would be... Their the ones with an education on this....

Patience - posted on 08/25/2010

i would say do it i did my girls and there is nothing wrong with them. The reason people are opting not to do it is because there was mercury in them and causing problems now they have taken the mercury out and everything should be fine.

Kylene - posted on 08/25/2010

Eating organic does not protect your children form getting mumps, etc children need there3 vaccines nither does breast milk protect them come on people get your children the vaccines its there lives at risk.

Amy - posted on 08/25/2010

Im for shots, I wouldn't be able to live with myself if one of my children came down with a disease/sickness that I should of gotten an immunization for...

Leilani - posted on 08/25/2010

I do it for the best for my son! Yeah I hate taking him to get them but It really is for the best!

Shawna - posted on 08/25/2010

I do believe in the immunizations I have four kids ages 11 yrs, 9 yrs, 3 yrs and 4 months, they all have had the shots, the only one any had a problem with was the live flu vaccine they give. my 3 yr old had a really bad reaction throwing up for two days straight at 2 months old so I do now opt out of any flu ones. I myself had the flu shot when I was 18 and the next day had the flu so bad it lasted two and half weeks striaght. that is the only one i opt out for on little ones. I also do not do the cervical cancer shot for my oldest girl nor will I do the H1N1 because neither have been out long enough to know all the side affects. I don't want my kids to be the testers of those two vaccines.

Claire - posted on 08/25/2010

I've done it with my three infact my son had his first one yesterday and they have no probs, you see the thing in my opinion is that it's only when a child gets to the age of mmr that autisum is detected and so everybody has tried to blame the imms instead it's just a unfortunate occurance nothing to do with imms. I would always have my kids done because i could never forgive myself if they were to get really sick.

Stifler's - posted on 08/24/2010

The normal ones are free here at the hospital but the flu isn't if you go to the doctor for it. H1N1 was free but no one I know actually got it. The nurse boss just jabbed us all after work and we filled out a form.

Chatty - posted on 08/24/2010

In Canada we get all our immunizations, flu shot, H1N1 etc. for free. Maybe I would feel differently about vaccinating if we had to pay for it??! Food for thought...

Stifler's - posted on 08/24/2010

I got it for free from work because I used to work with old people and they were at risk but I don't think I'd make my baby have the flu shot. He has all the normal vaccinations though.

Chatty - posted on 08/24/2010

When I think of immunization I don't consider the flu shot part of that. IMO, unless you're working or subjected daily to a potentially high risk environment (ie. medical field) the regular flu shot is unecessary. We did choose to immunize for the H1N1 but only because my niece has a very serious respiratory disease and was admitted to the hospital because of the H1N1, coupled with the fact that we were travelling internationally the following month. I otherwise wouldn't have chosen to vaccinate against H1N1.

Those are my only exceptions. As for everything else....I feel they're necessary even if done on an extended schedule.

Melanie - posted on 08/24/2010

i did them all for brooke except the H1N1 shot. i just found that one a little to rushed for my likeing and alot of people i knew who got it right away when it came out got sick from it so neither one of us had that one done....but the others we are ok with....at least they have been out for quite a few years and you know they are reliable unlike something someone throws together in a couple weeks.