Hmmm.....why isn't anyone posting??

Frances - posted on 03/02/2012

I do what is best for mine too. My brother is severely autistic, so autism is in my family. Many studies out there suggest a link between prenatal ultrasound and the rise in autism rates. I would not want to have a handicapped child and always wonder if it was my fault. My babies were monitored with a fetascope, so the doctor knew they were not in distress.

Crystal - posted on 03/02/2012

Not haveing an ultrasound when pregnant is the du,best thing i've ever heard they do ultrasounds for a reason what if the baby or your self were to have a complictation and because you didnt do anultrasound you didnt know of it the baby could die you could die who knows the baby could have had a defect that could kill him/her if born naturaly spina bifida,anything i love my kids and will do anything for them to keep them healthy and safe i had ultrasounds with both,they are both fully up to date on their vaccines and are perfectly healthy i also still have my 6.5yr old in a 5 point harness in the car and my 2.5yr old is still RF i do what is best for them

Frances - posted on 03/01/2012

I agree with Susan. Many things that have been done were later found to be harmful. Years ago doctors routinely X-rayed pregnant women to check pelvis size. Later they discovered it increased the odds of childhood leukemia.

That is why my babies were never exposed to ultrasound. I never even had the doppler or the electronic fetal monitor. Now most pregnancies are routinely exposed to ultrasound and the autism rate is soaring. No one seems to know why.

Mother - posted on 02/29/2012

AWESOME!!!!!!



http://personalliberty.com/2012/02/28/op...

Susan - posted on 02/27/2012

In response to Crystal, I have to say Crystal it is very naive to think that a product (which at the end of the day that is what a vaccine is) a pharmaceutical product, would not be approved if it was harmful. Have you done any research Crystal, all you have to do is look at the plain and simple historical facts there are MANY, many stories of pharmaceutical companies releasing drugs and vaccines also, that have come out too swiftly onto the market, WITHOUT proper safety testing on behalf of the gov't and organisations that release them.... and they have harmed people there are even news reports on it - so you dont have to dig that far to find this information-



Research for e.g "Thalidomide Babies" just as an example that the powers that be, dont always have the best interests of our children at heart. Sometimes its simply because they just want to get a product out quickly and they dont bother doing proper tests as it will impact on profits.



What about the female hormone drug that millions of women took for menopause, it turns out years later they found this drug CAUSES CANCER this is yet another e.g and there are many..Please do not be naive, do your research and you and your family will be better for it.



There may be instances where if there is a clear and present danger and vaccine can assist, however newborns and babies with such delicate immune systems should not be getting bombarded with the sheer amount of antigens and chemical compounds in these vaccines. To me this is criminal.

Mother - posted on 02/27/2012

Thanks Nj. I knew I wasn't wrong.

Nj - posted on 02/22/2012

You are correct Kelly. You can get the CDC's list of vaccine ingredients right from our site http://njaicv.org/Documents/Documents.ht...

Mother - posted on 02/22/2012

I suggest you go and get an ingredients list for all the vaccines. They most certainly DO use all those ingredients.

Crystal - posted on 02/22/2012

They no longer use those things in vaccines atleast not mercury and formaldehyde aluminum may be in some but not enough to harm them the FDA wouldnt approve something if it was that dangerous

Mother - posted on 02/22/2012

Mercury is the second deadliest substance on earth next to...plutonium. Aluminum is toxic. and Formaldehyde is a known carcinogenic. Why on earth would anyone put that knowingly into an infant??

Crystal - posted on 02/22/2012

I understan kids can have reactions to vaccines nothing in life is with out risk but i dont see how vaccines are the 2nd deadliest thing being injected into their bodies there is way to much miss information on the internet dr sears page is great for vaccine concerns while i would never not vax my child or selective vax i do understand parents are doing what they belive is best for their child

Mother - posted on 02/22/2012

I don't think i minimized any decision a parent faces. These childhood illnesses are virtually harmless. I'll take that over the second deadliest substance being injecting into innocent babies. Again, its all risk assessment and what risk you're willing to take.

Crystal - posted on 02/22/2012

So we may get chicken pox,measles and mumps ummm so ??? these diesease can and have killed many children yes some may get the illness and be fine but what happens if your child were to get measles or chicken pox and suffer a serious side effect and die form it i just couldnt live with that if you choose not to vax your kid your choice i dont worry about my kids comeing in contact with unvaxed kids if i did theyd never leave the house it's not like they wear sign saying hi im unvaxed

Mother - posted on 02/22/2012

Oh dear....it seems I started a discussion and then just left it hanging. I guess it was because no one was posting. I don't know if you Ladies are still around or not but to Crystal.....the discomfort felt by getting chicken pox is minimal. Didn't you get these childhood diseases?? Well I did. Annoying, yes. However this is the time we are suppose to get these illnesses. the vaccines we see today are NEW. They are not comparable to the vaccines of yesteryear. Not to mention when I was growing up i think the maximum number one EVER received in a lifetime was between 4-8 in TOTAL. They did not have the additives that are present today.



You say you couldn't live with yourself if you child got a childhood illness....could you live with yourself if they died from encephalitis or other neurological defects caused by the vaccine?? Every family has to weigh the pros and cons of vaccinating and then make a decision based on their own risk assessment. For us, that meant not vaccinating.



Stating that you were vaccinated and turned out fine is not a good argument at all. One, as previously stated the vaccines have changed a lot. The cumulative effect of vaccines on our babies a lone is so dangerous. You stated that children are healthy. Are they?? Look around Crystal. Our children ARE NOT healthy. Actually they are the sickest they have ever been in history. You said you didn't want to start an argument but that you were curious.....well I'm curious about something too. As a logical...intelligent woman....if a substance is the second deadliest substance on the face of the earth in minuscule amounts outside the body.....why do you think it becomes harmless once injected into the body of an infant??

Susan - posted on 05/01/2011

I recommend people read this new article that has come out today which is very interesting and highlights the argument that the autism/vaccine debate is not over
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20...

Crystal - posted on 04/22/2011

Kelly you say so we may cath measels or chicken pox do know how miserable a child would be measels especialy and mumps why would you want to have your child go through that when you could prevent it also those illnesses can kill a young child and many have died from these and as much thats going around i just couldn't live with my self if something happened to mine not trying to start an argument just curios, Susan you say vaccines are relitivley new but there not they have been around for quite some time and have improved greatly from when they strated out and you say people have survived for thousands of years with out vaccines what about all the ones who died the babies as well as adu;ts who died from whooping cough,mumps i just can't see takeing that risk i was fully vaccinated and am fine so i don't see why i shouldn't do the same for my children

Susan - posted on 04/21/2011

Hi Crystal,



You say that so many children are perfectly fine, if that is the case then why are the incidences of life threatening allergies such as the peanut allergy for example so chronically prevalent in this day and age, vaccines could be one reason. All scientists will say about that issue is that it is a 21st century problem, so something that we are doing in our lives as part of our modern lifestyle is causing this.



I dont know where you received that information that there is more aluminium in breast milk than there is a vaccine, surely that would vary from person to person depending on diet and many other factors.



Also you are saying in 1 vaccine but babies if following a government schedule are not receiving 1 vaccine they are receiving many.



An infant's immune system is a fragile thing and they are being bombarded by vaccines at such a crucial stage of development and growth by antigens, attenuated viruses, toxins that are described by the "authorities themselves" as harmful to human health.



So just to clarify that it is not the anti vaxer's as you put it saying that these things are poisons, it is the goverment and health authorities themselves that state these things are toxic to the human body!



Aluminium is not the only issue, the list of toxins in a single vaccine may or may not include depending on the vaccine, Formaldehyde, Anti Freeze, Bovine Sero, Squalene, and Mercury is still present in some vaccine batches.





Parents that have decided not to vaccinate do so, usually after months spent researching talking to various doctors and others that have and have not vaccinated, at least that is what I have done.



I think we are used to thinking that children or babies get sick, well my 1 year old so far has had the most immaculate health, he has only recently had a sniffle after both my partner and I got a cold and that is the first health issue he has ever had, I personally believe that this is not luck bu t the fact that he has had virtually no vaccines, he is breastfed and I feed him a well balanced diet with lots of fruits, veges and proteins.



Just to get you thinking a little, I am sure you have heard this before why is it that Autism used to be rare yet these days the latest stats. are 1 in 150 kids has it, more and more children are being diagnosed with behavioral problems. Human behavior, centres around brain activity and the nervous system, which can be affected negatively by neurotoxins, that is not my opinion, that is a fact.



I am not saying that vaccines are solely responsible, but I personally believe that they do have a detrimental affect on the human body, simply because they are injected into the bloodstream of newborns and infants at an alarming rate that would lead any thinking person to be suspicious of harmful side effects.



A newborn baby should be allowed to develop its immune system properly and naturally before being bombarded with such a heavy schedule of vaccines.



Human beings have been surviving quite well for hundreds of thousands of years without vaccines, they are really only a fairly new medical development, with limited research and big dollars pushing the release of them out to the public, if you look at the big picture, do your research thoroughly there is a lot of information that adds up to them not being all that we are told that they are. Just my point of view.

Crystal - posted on 04/21/2011

also about the aluminum there is aluminum in breastmilk more than whats in a vaccine and mercury is in fish and they dont use mercury in vaccines anymore

Crystal - posted on 04/21/2011

also about the aluminum there is aluminum in breastmilk more than whats in a vaccine and mercury is in fish and they dont use mercury in vaccines anymore

Crystal - posted on 04/21/2011

i'm not an anti vaxer i'm just wondering why anti vaxers say vaccines are poision when so many children are vaccinated and perfectly fine mine included and i dont know where some of you live but where i live children will not be allowed in day care,pre-school or any school with out being vaccinated and up to date which i'm very happy about my mother is immuno comprmoised due to a previous cancer and a vpd can be deadly to her as well as my friends with newborns

Crystal - posted on 04/21/2011

i'm not an anti vaxer i'm just wondering why anti vaxers say vaccines are poision when so many children are vaccinated and perfectly fine mine included and i dont know where some of you live but where i live children will not be allowed in day care,pre-school or any school with out being vaccinated and up to date which i'm very happy about my mother is immuno comprmoised due to a previous cancer and a vpd can be deadly to her as well as my friends with newborns

Susan - posted on 11/03/2010

Hi Liz, that is great to hear, as myself and my partner have made this decision based on research and instinct. We only have one child, so we dont have the benefit of experience that you do, its so great to hear that your children are healthy and participate in all school activities. I agree with what you have said in fact I had posted a new conversation on Unvaccinated Bubbas community and another two about a new article that has come out in Australia about how Vaccine side effects are worse than the disease. I would add a link but Im short of time now but it would be easy to find if you want to read my post and the accompanying article that was published online and in a mainstreem Australian newspaper which is where I am.

Liz - posted on 11/03/2010

My son s have never been vaccinated, nor will they ever be. They are 11, 5 and a 19 month old. The 2 big ones go to public school and they have never had any of those diseases. They do get the occassional ear infection, coughs/colds and they are seen by there doctor yearly. They are all given the good bill of health and participate in all school events.
If they choose to get vaccinated when they are older, after reviewing our reasons, beliefs and facts they may do so as their own choice, but I will not inject my child with aluminum, mercury or cows blood just to please the government. I am responsible for my childrens well being. and they are just fine.

Susan - posted on 09/12/2010

Hi there, I only recently found this community and am so glad that I have, I have read from many mothers that feel and know the same as myself. Which is comforting when it feels like most of society are still very unaware of the dangers of vaccines.
When my baby was born in April this year that was the first time I realised that I would have to make a decision about a vaccine. During my pregnany I had so much going on that it was not something that came up I was too busy making sure I was growing a healthy baby.
On day 1 of my precious baby's life I was told my baby would have to have a HEP B shot and I asked the nurse why it was neccesary and i can not say I was too enlightened by her answer.

We decided to delay the Hep B shot one day as they said we could, and we had not done any research at that stage. After that shot my babhy became execessively sleeping, he would sleep all day this lasted about three days which I thought was odd, but luckily I noticed no other problems as far as I could tell anyway.
After my first checkup with my baby at 6 weeks I was asked about the 2 month vaccines and whether I had given my baby any. I look ed at the government brochure and was disturbed to see how many vaccines they were recommending and starting so young. I always had a sense that vaccines were strange that something was off and my fears where confirmed as I researched the issue at length spending 3 months researching the topic and reading all I could get my hands on about it.
I also spoke with my GP who admitted that the mothers that give the full vaccine schedule do not understand the dangers of vaccinating.
She gave me a book to read titled "Vaccines Your Informed Choice" by Dr Peter Baratosy. I highly recommend this book to anyone that wants more information it goes into detail about how the immune system works and how vaccines only target one section of the immune system. There is a lot of enlightening information in that book and I believe that when we read or hear the truth we instinctively know it is truth, that is how I felt after I read that book. I also find it interesting that people that I have spoken with that were not vaccinated have amazing health and vitality which made me question things even more.
There are so many reasons why I have decided to not vaccinate my 5 month old baby. I believe that people will become more and more aware of the inherent dangers of doing so

.Just a side note, my baby has only had one Vax that was Hep B as I mentioned earlier, my partner and I went to visit family one weekend and we had no idea that 3 people at the family gathering had different stages of 'the flu virus" one with a bad cough. I was so nervous and thought we would all get sick, well my partner got it the worst the next day (thanks to one of the family members not covering his mouth when coughing) and I got a little sick just felt run down and I was so worried about bubbs but despite that fact that we live in a very small apartment and we share the same bedroom space with our baby he did not get sick and is in perfect health.
I truly believe that this is not luck that it is because he was not vaccinated and his immune systems is doing its job as it is meant to.
I also want to add that 3 weeks after having my baby I cut my arm on an outdoor fence and was told I had to have a Tetanus shot. At the time I asked what effects the shot would have and as usual we are told - just soreness at the site well I definitely had that for around 4 days but also experienced major irritability for about 3 days afterwards and felt like I had a bad hangover, but this was nothing compared to one week later I started having aching kidneys, this lasted for a whole month, everday I was drinking lots of water and starting my morning with hot water and lemon, to help gets my poor kindneys baby to some kind of normalcy, I knew this was from the tetanus shot as I had never had any issues with my kidneys in my life and I am very healthy Id ont drink alcohol or sweet drinks etc. Then when I did some research on the tetanus vaccines I read that it can cause kindey damage due to the aluminium in it. That made me think that if my baby had to go through that pain that I had he probably would have cried for days on end.
I am lucky in that my partner and I both feel the same way. I do believe that one day someone will do proper unbiased research and just as things like Asbestos, Lead In Paint, DDT and smoking in offices were all acceptable years ago befor people knew better, Vaccines as they are now will hopefully be banned.

Rita - posted on 11/28/2009

I stopped vaccinating my kids almost 2 years ago after getting fed up with forced vaccination for flu. I have been on the fence for a long while and then when in NJ they made a mandatory flu shot for kids, I decided to write for an exemption. It started me thinking about vaccinating in general and so I stopped it all. There are a lot of terrified moms out there searching for H1N1 shots for their kids. I don't blame them since that's all most folks talk about- the latest horror story.

There are strong feelings about this issue on both sides. I feel for moms who have fears about whether to or not to vaccinate. I understand both sides. I realized after some time that whatever facts folks come up with for or against, for me it came down to my gut. My intuition said "That's enough." and I couldn't ignore it anymore.

I think this issue gives every mom an opportunity to listen to her intuition- for everything. It never steers me wrong....when I respect and listen to it.

Thanks for this forum. It's nice to have support on an issue that can be quite controversial.

Nj - posted on 10/31/2009

Quoting Storm:

I live in South Africa and I am not sure what the rules are every where else in the world but here unfortunately if your kid is not up to date with their vaccines they will not be admitted into school. I have tested this and my daughter would not be let in school unless I caught up on all her missed vaccines. Anyone got any advice for me regarding this matter as I do not agree with vaccinating against every single little thing!, especially considering that in the good old days there were no vaccines and we just survived on our own natural immunity!
My child has never been sick once in her life and surely if not vaccinating was so bad she would have been sick by now from all the contact she has had to other children and people.
Please give me some advice on how to get past the system of vaccinating and still be able to get my child into school.

You can look here for help in Africa:  http://www.whale.to/a/africa_h.html

The main site has lots of information on the issue of vaccines and everything related to it.

http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

Also search the NVIC.org site

Naomi - posted on 10/13/2009

I live in Australia & am a happy non-vaxer.

Vaccinations are not compulsory here, and my children cannot be denied admission to any school or group or anything at all (though the Government does not advertise that this is the case & Doctors recieve money for every child they vaccinate, so the vast majority of children are vaccinated, without the parents even knowing that there is an option to NOT vaccinate).

Not sure where you can go in South Africa to find out about getting around vaccinating. In Australia I belong to an organisation called the 'Australian Vaccination Network'. They provide a lot of information on vaccines & natural therapies. Maybe you could check out their website or even get in touch with them to see if there is a similar organisation in S.A??
Good luck!!

Storm - posted on 09/10/2009

I live in South Africa and I am not sure what the rules are every where else in the world but here unfortunately if your kid is not up to date with their vaccines they will not be admitted into school. I have tested this and my daughter would not be let in school unless I caught up on all her missed vaccines. Anyone got any advice for me regarding this matter as I do not agree with vaccinating against every single little thing!, especially considering that in the good old days there were no vaccines and we just survived on our own natural immunity!

My child has never been sick once in her life and surely if not vaccinating was so bad she would have been sick by now from all the contact she has had to other children and people.

Please give me some advice on how to get past the system of vaccinating and still be able to get my child into school.

Melissa - posted on 08/13/2009

I, too, do not vaccinate my 2 babies.... I am sooo lucky, well actually my kids are, to have been able to be in the circle of people that take information, research it, listen with my heart and know that vaccines are a joke. I cry inside for all the chilren that get this junk injected into them everyday. People are so used to what was always done, they just do it. Chicken Pox vaccine ???? Everyone got the pox !!!! Flu shot ???? Did you know Polio is from bad water ???? Uggh.

Jan - posted on 08/10/2009

Well, I just joined this list, but I will go ahead and chat some too.

I am also a non-vaccer. Actually I just moved to Virginia and I am going through the process here. Getting them excempt. I understand everything you are talking about and fully agree. It's an interesting thing to discuss with most people since the majority of people you come across are so adamant there is nothing wrong with the vaccines, because they can't fathom the government stearing them wrong like that. And they can't admit they just didn't do the research and might be partly responsible for any harm that befalls their child from the shots.

I never even thought about researching it when I first started having kids. I didn't like it but I thought it was a fact of life. No choice. So I didn't even want to know. But a friend made a comment that got me thinking and that was the beginning of the end for me.

Michelle - posted on 07/29/2009

I agree with you 100%. I am a non-vaxer mum as well and happy to say that my LO has never been sick! I highly belief that not vaxing him has helped him boost his immune system on his own and he has not even caught a cold and he is now 7 months old!

I encourage all moms to research and make an inform decision on whether or not the chemicals in this vaccines could or not potentially harm your babies....do not vaccinate just because the CDC says you have to .... or because the FDA said they were safe ..... or did they not say that the recall PB was safe and the tomatoes were safe and the spinach was safe???? were they not wrong? .... did the CDC not encourage for everyone to go out and get vax for HPV with Gardasil?? but they left out the part that says it will only prevent you from 4 strands out of hundreds of them and that if you have any of the strands not associated with the vax, it makes you 40% more likely to develop CC!!!!

All I can say is READ mamas, read and learn what is truly the very best for your babies ... they are the future!