legally kidnapped

Mrs. Jennifer - posted on 06/15/2011 ( 42 moms have responded )

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My children were removed frrom our care by cps and they are refusing to give my children back. We are being falsly accused of neglect.Any words of wisdom will help.We have been yhrough alot this year and dont even have money to fight them our church is helping a little but still no attorney.

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Jamie - posted on 10/22/2012

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Returning from a neurosurgeon's appointment, I was early picking up my 2 boys. My husband works for an agency, and we had just been transfered one county over, so I sought change of visitation through Family Court Services, as the drive would be too long to not adjust the visitation schedule somehow. While at the office, I was informed, unintentionally, that my children had been given by the court - that day - full temp custody to my ex-boyfriend, who had kicked us out 6 years prior! He claimed child abuse. He counseled the children into repeating his story to CPS. CPS filed NO CHARGES. Meanwhile, a nasty ambulance chasing ex-DA, working pro-bono, filed charges against me and got the court to grant a change of custody - without any help from CPS. I have spent over $20k, cashed in my retirement, and I still cry most nights for my children. I love and miss them more than anything else in my life. Our justice system is not just, nor is it fair, quick, or reliable. Turns out the investigator for the court system used to snort coke with my ex-boyfriend 20+ yrs ago. It's a good-ol'-boy system, I've realized. Hard to have hope of winning my children back when I haven't done anything wrong to begin with.

Ashley - posted on 06/16/2011

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In order for them to keep your children there would have to hard evidence the courts do not want to split up familys it may of just been a horible story from someone pissed of at you or your husband and the courts will look at that. This must be terrifying but remember that they are not out to get you they are trying to keep your babies safe so if nothing happend you will get them back. Please keep us updated. Best of luck tuesday

Hanna - posted on 12/31/2013

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I have major issues with your statement as I have seen families that are hot lined by neighbors that for some reason just don't like the family (coming in late night , dog barking , etc.) And when they are investigated there is nothing wrong so they come up with crap like neglect because it is almost impossible to did prove or takeing pictures of toys in closets or boxes in a storage room claiming that the home is deplorable and the parents are never given a chance to get the kids back due to caps falsifying records

Mrs. Jennifer - posted on 06/22/2011

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Thanks we call him j boog he will be 2 sat.No they didnt give me a paper of any sort didnt offer any services she didnt like my husband at all and no argument she didnt say any reason in court petion either wich everyone says in not common usually have to do tht.

Jane - posted on 06/22/2011

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In my experience with CPS, also in Texas, they come and inspect and issue you a yellow form that tells you what you have to do. Then they come back and see if you did any of it. Did you get such a form? Did you do what they asked? Did you get into any sort of an argument with them?

They have to have some reason to say you are neglectful. They won't tell you who said it, but they have to tell you why they think you are neglectful. Did they also remove your oldest? That would be unusual because once you are 17 you are almost adult in many ways and there are no foster services available.

Yeah, CPS is a bureaucracy that does a lot of paper shuffling, but they have to have something they can use to justify their actions. You need to find out what that is.

And call the local bar association to see if there are any attorneys who will work pro bono. Also call Legal Aid and see if they can represent you.

BTW your boys are cute. The little one on your lap reminds me of my son when he was that age.

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Lillian - posted 6 days ago

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Cps kidnapped my 6 children, at time of removal they were 17, 7, 5, 4, 16months, and 7 days. They had no reason, told us the supervisor went to the judge without the investigating social workers knowledge, and that they would be back home in 2 days when we went to court, yet the investigator got up and recommended they stay in cps custody. When the judge asked her what her recommendation was based on, she shrugged her shoulders! The judge filled in the blanks with medical and educational neglect since my children were homeschooling and we had just moved into the state and my curriculum from before moving wasn't completely available to show at that moment. Since this ruling, my children have all taken placement tests and tested into their appropriate grade levels. They said medical neglect because I'm not a believer of the necessity of "well child visits" and because of personal knowledge of vaccinations causing autism in children who were completely normal prior to certain vaccinations, I prefer to use the shot schedule from 1981. They never spoke a word to me personally about their shot records, also 5 of my children are boys with a bleeding disorder making vaccinations "tricky", yet they go to a health department in a state they knew we had never lived in prior to 2 months before removal, to get my children's shot records. I have learned through incomplete case files that were released to our lawyer at the time, that they did this and they claim that some of my children had shots that they didn't while others had none when they were up to date on them. So is it reasonable that I am concerned with this? Yet they act with indifference when I bring it up, they lie to us and tell us that they have problems they don't and they are holding us accountable for dental surgery on one of my boys when at the time of removal, only 4 months ago, he had 1 cavity. This is information we were given immediately after the initial health checkup by their own pediatrician, and their investigating social worker called us to tell us this. Yet we are neglectful because he just had dental surgery for "multiple cavities" four months after they took him from us. We just had our adjudication hearing, without any legal representation because our lawyer was not approved by them apparently, so he was not able to get our case files until 2 months of fighting for them, and using more time and efforts than our $3700 retainer allowed for. We now are in debt another $1200 to him and the case files are very much incomplete. There are references to a medical tab and several other tabs that are not in them, and there are sections that actually say files have been deleted by "the name of our caseworker". We had been told numerous times that it was up to us when our kids come home, complete the family service plan and they will be given back to you almost immediately. So we go into this Mickey Mouse show aka adjudication hearing, before the same judge who ordered our children be removed originally although she had not seen nor spoke to anyone besides the supervisor who had never been anywhere around us, and who ruled educational and medical neglect even though their own pediatrician said that they should not have been taken from us, and I homeschooling my kids and was in compliance with their state laws concerning homeschooling. We were there on time, the family plan they created without any of our help or approval had been completed, even though it was obviously designed to prevent us from completing it, and they had thrown in extras a couple of weeks prior to this court date. We believed that they would be given back to us. I was euphoric on the greatest most natural high, then they crushed us with another family plan full of ridiculous unnecessary things, like na meetings 3 times per week for an indefinite amount of time. We have passed multiple drug tests, both hair follicle and urine, but because I had been addicted to pain medication that I was prescribed by a legitimate doctor for legitimate injuries from the time of 19 to 28, which led to an addiction and me personally choosing to be taken off of them and attending na meetings every month for several years now. I have never been in any type of trouble with the law, my husband has a very old conviction for possession of stolen property, which he completed all the terms of his probation satisfactorily years ago. He admitted (actually I admitted for him while he was at work during the first home visit ever by cps) to recreational drug use in his much younger days. They keep saying that we both have a history of drug abuse, based on my testimony to a social worker, but they don't have any of my other statements in their files. They never mention that we have both repeatedly taken and passed drug screenings. Then a detective comes to question my husband, and somehow they got our daughter to lie and say that one time, ONE TIME, he felt her breasts claiming that he was checking for lumps! Her reason fornot telling me was because (she claims) that I told her that if she ever told me that he had sexually molested her I would not believe her! That is crazy! I know I never told her anything remotely close to that, so naturally I assume she is lying about all of it. They have had these accusations for over a month and had called him and told him no contact at all, but would not tell us why. She would not respond to any of my calls or text messages to her. I have pleaded with her to tell me what is going on, that we all know she has never been harmed by any of us, that her ignoring me was an indication that she felt guilty, that it wasn't too late to fix whatever she has said, that we understand that they have been telling her lies and that she is in a very difficult place, she told a caseworker during our last visitation with her while me and her were alone in a room bc she missed our time together, she said in her words "I'm great I'm with my best friend" the visitation prior to that she laid her head in my husband's lap, he is the only dad she has ever known (again her words) 2 weeks before they were taken she got very upset when they had to cancel their "daddy daughter date" due to vehicle troubles. When they were taken from our home it took 2 large police officers to restrain her from attacking the investigating social worker! She is 17 the social worker is in her early twenties without my children, so our daughter viewed her as a peer, not a respectable figure or an elder, which is reasonable. Breast cancer has never been a concern in our family or a personal concern for us, we have had many personal intimate conversations, where I have been open and honest with her concerning my own experiences and the things I have learned. She has revealed her own deepest most regretful thoughts and feelings and experiences, without me lecturing and without her recording any type of discipline. Up until her silent treatment, she always said the she hopes to be just like me, which made me feel extremely proud since teenage girls are known for having the exact opposite thoughts in regards to their mothers. All of our children have foster parents who adore them, they are perfect children, they say, Iwish my 9wn children behaved so well, the boys are incredibly considerate of each other and it's apparent that they have been taught with love and respect, they share with the younger siblings without any concerns for the well being of their obviously treasured possessions, and it's amazing how the young toddler treats his brothers possessions. Their house was very clean, kids dressed well and clean, cooked food available for children, parents use reasoning to discipline children with great results, all in their files stated by their own workers. Yet in court our caseworker lies and reads text messages that I have never sent and when I asked if I could please turn my phone on so that I could show what I have sent, I was ignored, interrupted, and had my contact with my daughter removed as well! My husband volunteered for a polygraph to prove his innocence, but they will use the results to determine if the plan for reunification for all of our children will be changed or continued. The child advocate discredited me because after I told her that we were just made aware of the details of my daughters accusation, literally an hour prior, she asked if her "claims of sexual assault" has affected our marriage. That is not a question I could answer yes or no without it being used against me in any way, nor would it be truthful. I attempted to explain this, and her and the judge exchanged comments indicating that I was not capable of providing anything sensible, as though I was intoxicated! I had refused the right to challenge the claims of neglect at the beginning of the hearing, because we did not have an attorney, we have gone around and around with our proof of innocence to all of the prosecution repeatedly without any results and even though they only had less and less to go on, they continued to violate our rights. I finished by stating that we are aware of when we are beaten. The judge asked if I was prepared to admit that I what neglected my children and I told her "I cannot make myself say those words, no. It would be a lie and it's the opposite of all I have done for over half of my life " so she forced us to go through with the proceedings and defend ourselves. I asked no questions, my husband only asked in regard to the investigation files that the investigator was not available to provide, so a woman we have never seen nor heard of was the lead witness given the responsibility of filling that position. He asked pointed questions regarding the findings that would prove contrary to their claims and suspicions. Her only answers to every question asked by everyone else participating was "it doesn't say". When the judge got to me no asked if I had anything to say, I cleared up all the accusations with statements regarding things that we have done, showed to them, that they have discovered by truly investigating and mostly by accident, and also my own findings and discoveries through research and past experience, that prove our innocence to every single claim they made or suggested. I also let them all know that I had proof of everything either in the car we came in, or my phone in my possession. No one asked for anything, they were all silenced for several minutes following my testimony, then gathered together whispering words we could not understand. The judge even listened to everything I said and her facial expressions revealed her true thoughts without any type of deception. We thought we had won, without even considering it a possibility. I had spoke to our caseworker before arrival that morning and she had indicated that there was not a need to dispute anything, that our children would be coming home, so I left everything in the car that would validate every part of our defense. The prosecutor attempted to discredit me with silly word games, which only suggested the strong possibility of him having serious retardations in regards to comprehension and his ability to understand the English language. He tried but he failed horribly. Then they carried on with ruling that the court finds us guilty of neglect and the children are to remain in state custody. We were given a court date in October for them to review findings from the polygraph, and our future with our children is pending those results. They have placed us on an express line for removing our parental rights completely, and the only reason I can see is them not enjoying the humiliation and shame we have brought them by only pointing out the easily identifiable answer and the common sense that they are denying and attempting to overrule. I am so scared of what they might do to falsify his polygraph results, and they are treating this as though he will be charged and convicted of sexual molestation! Everyone knows that is a life sentence if sent to prison, execution carried out in the worst imaginable way. I am so scared, they are purposely keeping us from being able to find another lawyer and get a string case built, now it's not just for our children, who are everything, but for my husband's freedom and very possibly his life. To Claire and the other women who say that it's not easy for them to take children from good parents who have done nothing wrong, please find a site tailored for your situation and ignorance of this system. You are filling a position that has been made necessary by the people who destroy our lives. If not for our destruction, you would not have these poor neglected children to love and adore and comfort their loyal babbling of their parents that they love and miss and want to see so badly. You would not be getting the checks and benefits to provide for them things that they already had, but cps purposely left behind. I was not allowed to dress my children from their closets and dresser drawers. I had to dig their clothing out of my hamper of unfolded play clothes from the previous day, I was told shoes were not necessary they had to hurry, and they acted as though I had been a burden when I ran to the back door and grabbed their flip flops because I could not allow my children to leave our house without something on their feet. When we dug out a duffle bag to pack their belongings and comfort toys, they tried to replace it with Walmart shopping bags. I wasn't allowed to feed my children breakfast or clean my 5 yr olds arm where he had just been bit by a mosquito and I told them I had an alcohol wipe right inside the door. So please don't pretend you know anything when everything you know is information created by them for your knowledge and so you will automatically form negative opinions about us and have feelings of disgust because of the love we have from our children and how it has no limits and yet we still take it for granted and abuse their trust, as though they are the poor beaten loyal pet. I know "shame on them. People like that should not be allowed to have children" I used to feel that way, but the sole reason it's me and no you, is I am not as easily fooled, I don't feel the need to impose my opinion on others, nor do I believe I am in a position to ever pass judgement, and I don't blindly follow without ever doing any research on my own I do not ask for locations of references on them or any other agency and if one is provided I only look at it to see what the picture they are painting for me looks like, because if I can't find anything else then I know it's because the true picture is opposite of the printed one. The conclusion to my message to you, CLAIRE, and all of those that agree with you, is you only have your own children and now ours because you are a spineless sheep. And you might not want to look now because it's too late, but they've already put you in rubber boots. Have fun with what follows.
The reason that they are using for stealing my children, the only truth they have stated, is my newborn baby was born in a rented uhaul pickup truck after only being in labor for a total of ONE HOUR, less than a mile from the hospital. He weighed 7lbs 15.9ounces and was 21.6 inches long, and was the picture of perfection, painted by GOD, the only painter and his work can not be created or forged, no matter how much practice anyone gets... Cps and other agencies who manipulate control and deceive so that they may continue to profit and feed their own greed with the pain and suffering of the innocent. Your day will come, and I hope I am there to see it and cover my babies eyes.

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Amanda - posted on 06/01/2013

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Johanna Qvarfordt taken by bitter xhusband and is in Brazil and mum not able to see child for the moment going through hell wondering ,missing and hope all is well
if you have any kind words and prayes to send feel free do not want to get into details over situation Thank you

Joann - posted on 03/28/2013

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My name is Joann Blackwell I have a mentally challenge 13y/o step-son who got himself in trouble on the school van big trouble. My husband and I did believe Vincent did wrong so for the first 8 months in the system we didn't make waves .now a year latter with no sign of reunification near and only seeing him one hour supervised visits every two weeks we are stuck in the system and paying 1200 dollars a month.

Kathryn - posted on 01/10/2013

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I'm with Clair on this one. There is more to this situation, than the OP is telling us. Most likely the causes would be one parent is mentally unstable, or a registered sex offender. The state of the home is disgusting. Some people don't know how disgusting their home is, if they have always lived that way. Too many pets which are also uncared for. The children are dirty and unkempt.. Evidence of drug or alcohol abuse. Smoking around children with medical issues. Domestic violence..neighbours hearing screaming all the time, whether at kids or each other.Leving the children unattended.
Hopefully the best interests of the children are taken care of first. If any of the above issues apply to you, this is the time to get your act together.

Elizabeth - posted on 12/16/2012

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Let me clatify. My son was born with a major heart defect, i never even got to bring him home from the hospital. In WI if they charge you with neglect on one child they have to on all and i had an older daughter. I lost my son to to the foster system but I was able to keep my daughter. He died 2 months before my hearing to get him home

Elizabeth - posted on 12/16/2012

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I live in WI and certian charges will quilify for a free lawyer from the state that you will have to pay back at a later time. You can see if they have that program where u live. I was charged with neglect also.

Mom - posted on 12/01/2012

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I worked my case plan, I toed the line, and still my baby is being taken away from me. "Evidence" have been falsified, egregious lies have been told, all because a school social worker wants to adopt my daughter!

Remember, you ARE NOT those kid's mother, you are a kidnapper! Those children you stole had a mother! I hope your stolen children were old enough to remember their mother when you stole them, and they remind you of who you really are: A KIDNAPPER!

Madea - posted on 10/24/2012

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Claire.... I rally hope you don't ever have to bite your tongue like I did. I was always one who would say the things you did and even worse about the mothers who "refused to look at the real picture"..... till I became one of them. Theyre not full of sh*t, blowing things up or being melodramatic. This is all for real. The "system" is a dirty legal human trafficking business.

Claire - posted on 09/30/2012

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I get that there are times when CPS makes mistakes or oversteps their bounds, but the truth is that there are too many parents out there that complain they did nothing or almost nothing and CPS just came out of nowhere and took their kids. I have been a foster parent for five years now and have adopted two kids and we are hoping to adopt another. I am intimately familiar with laws of CPS and the rules of removal. It is incredibly hard to remove kids for no reason. Many of the kids I have fostered have had in my opinion way too many visits by CPS before removal, allowing abuse and neglect to continue for a long time. Then, once removed and placed in foster care, parents have up to a year to get their kids back. They are given more than adequate chances and CPS often favors bio families even when it is not always in the best interest of the children because it places them back in the surroundings and situations that led to the neglect in the first place. So, when people say their kids were taken and they did nothing and they can't get them back, I have a hard time believing that. When there are cases in error, the parents who follow what CPS asks almost always gets their kids back. When you look at the numbers of cases of true neglect and abuse vs error, those in error are rare comparatively, but it is always easier to blame someone else than your own actions.

Madea - posted on 07/04/2012

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Court appointed attny is better than no attny unless you are confidant in your ability to represent yourself. All attorneys representing ANY party in a CPS case has to be okayd by the CPS. Its part of how they get away with what they do. (same with mental health professionals) If you have done everything that CPS has told you to do and/or if CPS has violated ANY of your parental rights you can file for CPS to be investigated by the Civil Rights Dept. I would also suggest that you get a hold of a local politician. District Supervisors have good suggestions and have been know to call CPS (even though they know they will not be told anything) to request information on your case. Just having their name attached to your case helps. If the original; trial does not go as you hope dont forget that you can contest and then appeal. If you have to appeal, the Appellate courts go through everything with a fine tooth comb and most of the time "they" dont want that to happen. CPS is a business first off. Don't forget that. They make $ off of children and are not wanting to spend a lot so the more that you can cost them the less valuable your children are. Request as many services as you can. Double up on parenting classes (call them refreshers...). Get into therapy (they will pay if services are still offered to you). dont forget to request bus passes. keep gas receipts for the days you visit, have appointments and court dates.

Megan - posted on 04/18/2012

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I didn't word that right cps kidnapped him for false allegations by my neighbor and now they wont give him back because they think in "incapable" but I'm doing all my classes visits clean drugtests but I think he's going to be adopted out :'(

Megan - posted on 04/18/2012

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Im dealing with pretty much the same thing with my 14 month old boy he was kidnapped at only 3 months old

Charlotte - posted on 08/29/2011

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Please join my new community Mothers of kidnapped kids. You are not alone. My story is that of a legal kidnapping but by my child's father. I think there must be quite a few ppl having to go through similar nightmares and so I created a community where we can talk about it.

Kyleigh - posted on 07/14/2011

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oh man whata mess! CPS here is crazy too! I have heard 3 other families gettingtheir own children taken away by social services 2 were from the clinic in our local town and one just read on another forum! Best to you and your family pls kkeep us posted miss!

Megan - posted on 07/10/2011

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how are you doing Jenn I have been thinking about you and your fam! Please keep us updated we all care!

Mrs. Jennifer - posted on 06/23/2011

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my oldest is 17 he was not removed.We have 5 boys 4 have been removed.There pics are on my childrens page

Mrs. Jennifer - posted on 06/23/2011

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i dont know she was ok with him until she met me.As much i hate to say this the worker we have is almost anti parent.

Megan - posted on 06/22/2011

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They usually investigate ask the children if they are scared, make them sad, and look at the living conditions in all reality they say as long as you have enough beds there isnt a sq footage law. how many children did you have and how old may i ask?

Megan - posted on 06/22/2011

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hell no they should court appoint you one! one that is familiar with CHIN CASES!

Mrs. Jennifer - posted on 06/22/2011

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they are telling my husband he needs a seperate attorney is tht normal

Megan - posted on 06/22/2011

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The court should appoint you one . one that works with this child in need of services and get you one! im in the social network field i can some assistance and guide you to what I know but just cant give out names!

Megan - posted on 06/22/2011

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so sorry this happened to you! prayers ever need to talk please let me know! Hugs!

Megan - posted on 06/22/2011

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did you have a court date?? the removal court date? You have to have a court usually remove them!

Christina - posted on 06/21/2011

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Legally, they can not keep your children without proof. If you don't have money to fight, you need to find out what they are exactly accusing you of and what they want you to do to fix it. Enroll in parenting classes even if they aren't asking you to do it. It will look good on your part.

Tah - posted on 06/20/2011

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o my goodness..i am sorry to hear that Just keep praying about it and research legal aid, you may be able to find a place that will represent you for free or who will do it almost no cost..

Mrs. Jennifer - posted on 06/16/2011

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Yes i have been in contact with cpsThey are saying they had a report of neglect in wich is not true but cps is very powerful and with out a attorney its very hard to fight them on your own.My church was plannning on helping with that expense but they dont have fund in benvolance right now and i go to court tuesday so not sure what will happen with out a attorney

Ashley - posted on 06/16/2011

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What are the circumstances what were you acussed of and why are they waiting to give the children back. Is there a court date yet have you been in contact with cps what are they saying

Mrs. Jennifer - posted on 06/16/2011

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no i wish what a blessing that would be but not until after this has been going on for a year and they want to end my parental rights

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