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Mommy - posted on 11/04/2009 ( 49 moms have responded )

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my baby's turning 2months old and he's about to get vaccinated i like to get opinions on how u dealt with this?

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Nj - posted on 11/04/2009

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Hi Mommy Ecel. Congrats on your new baby! I researched vaccines and the diseases they were intended to protect against before considering vaccination of my baby. I became aware that the toxins in the vaccines could interfere with the natural development of my baby. Then I considered the diseases they were supposed to protect against. I was nursing my baby and considered that as her first line of defense against disease. At birth, 2 months and throughout my baby's 1st year, I didn't feel my baby was at risk for the diseases the vaccines were supposed to protect against. I also needed more time to research this issue further, so I decided to delay all vaccines until I was completely comfortable with my decision. I felt it was the most important decision I was to make in my baby's life and I wanted to be certain it was well thought out. Of course my pediatrician was pressuring us to vaccinate our baby but I knew if there were repercussions of our decision to vaccinate such as the many possible and sometimes serious adverse reactions that have been reported with vaccination, our doctor was not required to deal with or live with the issue of loosing our baby or living with an injured child. I understood our decision was completely our responsibility. We decided to live with our daughter naturally for her 1st year where we can watch her grow and reach her milestones, get to know her. Then if after 1 year and further research we decided she should be vaccinated, we will decide then. That is the best advice I can give you. I did continue to research further and to this day haven't stopped. Now she's 15, completely unvaccinated, completely healthy. Although times were very different back then, not much awareness with the dangers associated with vaccines, no association with the internet, and much resistance from professionals, family members and friends, I am very thankful for the ability to be open minded and to make my own educated decision. I followed the same path with my other 2 daughters. Best wishes, love, and health for you and your new baby.

Siouxane - posted on 11/05/2009

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i have to agree with Nj Aicv, both my children are not vaccinated and they are perfectly healthy. The amount of research I did lead me to the understanding that vaccination is something that you need to relay on for the rest of your life. Once the first defense system gets taken away it never recovers and the vaccination wears off over time, so as an adult your defense system is not strong enough to support any diseases that come in. You need to continually have vaccinations because your body now depends on those drugs used. Mind you there are many other reason as well as to why I did not, including what my midwife had told me, being a nurse as well.
However this was my decision and I was harassed by many people, though I stick to guns and stand by my actions.

Shani - posted on 11/06/2009

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Quoting Kate:

Go to google and look up "mumps" or "tetanus". Look at the pictures of the small children who have these diseases. Then decide if you're willing to put your child through that versus a small stick with a bandaid. Diseases like Whooping Cough (pertussis), diphtheria, and tetanus are all still around and all of them can be fatal. And for the record, you can get tetanus from any surface including plastic and glass. As for the "toxins" in vaccines...there is a reason why those ingredients are in there: to keep the vaccine stable. The human body is an amazing thing and can filter out all that junk through the kidneys and liver. Children who have a family history of vaccine reactions or have shown any type of sensitivity to vaccines should probably not be vaccinated or at least vaccinated on an alternate schedule. But, yes, you should vaccinate your child if your child is able to safely receive vaccines. If every one in the US stopped vaccinating there would be a huge pandemic of childhood diseases which would probably become medication resistant and turn into super-bugs. Vaccinate your kids unless they have contraindications to vaccines.



How do you know that your child can tolerate the vaccine before it's to late? The only real way to know if a child can tolerate the vaccine is to administer it, if an infant has an adverse reaction and then becomes vaccine injured or compromised then it's already too late. My daughter was diagnosed with asthma at a very young age, there are several vaccines that where contraindicated for children with asthma, out of 5 different pediatricians not one of them gave me this valuable information. Yes mumps and the like are horrible diseases, but for the most part they can be treated and healed. Do some searching on all of the autism spectrum disorders and see what the lasting effects of those are. It can't hurt to wait until your precious little one is older and has a better developed immune system.Everyone should be free to make the best choice for their family and not be judged or looked down upon for that decision. Make the decision that you feel is best and forget about the nay sayers whatever side they are on!

Kate CP - posted on 11/13/2009

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Quoting Charlotte:

For those who are choosing not to vaccinate, what exactly are you planning on doing when your child has to go to school? I'm just curious. My son has had combo shots already, and he's just fine. I had tons of vaccines, and I'm just fine too.


You can opt out of vaccines for religious or health reasons. Private schools, however, can enforce a vaccine schedule.

Charlotte - posted on 11/13/2009

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I have had my son get the rotavirus vaccine, he has been fine. I know two people who got that sickness and it causes severe diarrhea and vomiting which can lead to lethal dehydration. They were both hospitalized for a week. If your child is in daycare or school, it's imperative that they be vaccinated for health reasons abd because it's usually required by law. Also, I had the MMR shot as a child, and I'm fine. I can't shelter my son for his whole life, and I wont be home-schooling, so I'll have no choice but to get him vaccinated. There are no facts that the MMR vaccine causes autism, if there were, I'm sure major adjustments would be required to be made. I don't think that Dr.s would be administering shots that were proven to cause major mental defects..

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I have my nephew's daughter she is only 1mnth 22days when her pedia doctor gave her a shot 6 and 1 vaccine. .after 24 hours she suffers vomitting and never stop to cry..her mother fed her milk she stop and mom thinks she sleep and take rest..after a while my nephew came from work go directly to the baby and he notice the baby change color he quickly hold her to bring to the hospital they said she was dead on arrival

User - posted on 01/11/2015

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I have my nephew's daughter she is only 1mnth 22days when her pedia doctor gave her a shot 6 and 1 vaccine. .after 24 hours she suffers vomitting and never stop to cry..her mother fed her milk she stop and mom thinks she sleep and take rest..after a while my nephew came from work go directly to the baby and he notice the baby change color he quickly hold her to bring to the hospital they said she was dead on arrival

User - posted on 01/11/2015

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I have my nephew's daughter she is only 1mnth 22days when her pedia doctor gave her a shot 6 and 1 vaccine. .after 24 hours she suffers vomitting and never stop to cry..her mother fed her milk she stop and mom thinks she sleep and take rest..after a while my nephew came from work go directly to the baby and he notice the baby change color he quickly hold her to bring to the hospital they said she was dead on arrival

Charlotte - posted on 11/13/2009

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For those who are choosing not to vaccinate, what exactly are you planning on doing when your child has to go to school? I'm just curious. My son has had combo shots already, and he's just fine. I had tons of vaccines, and I'm just fine too.

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I didn't lol. I'm postponing some and not doing most of the vaccines. Before a year there's a pile of complications that come with it and the compound vaccines are really bad. Check them out before hand. vran.org is the vaccine risk awareness network site.

Kate CP - posted on 11/13/2009

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There is no scientific proof that MMR causes Autism. It just doesn't exist. The study that claimed it found a link had been tampered with.

Charlotte - posted on 11/13/2009

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I have had my son get all of his vaccinations to date. He is 6 months old, and I just give him infants tylenol one hour before his appointments and then every 4 or 6 hours (I can't remember which - the Doc reminds me each time) for 24 hours after the shots. In the state of TX, if your child has to go to daycare or school, they are required to be vaccinated. All of the vaccines are the same ones I received as a kid except for the flu shot, chicken pox and the rotavirus vaccines, which in my opinion are so necessary because the affects of those sicknesses are horrible and can be lethal. My brother and cousin both had the rotavirus, and it hospitalized both of them for a week. All three of the newer ones have been getting administered for around ten years now, so I'm sure that they're fine. In this day and age, and even in the past eras, getting vaccinated can and has saved millions of lives. I strongly believe that, and for the most part, the affects of the diseases that they protect against are far more dangerous than the possibility of the ever so slight chance of having a bad reaction to the shots. The only one I'm skeptical about is the new swine flu shot, which I have been trying to find information about. Has anybody gotten vaccinated themselves or had their kids vaccinated?

Amy - posted on 11/10/2009

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ya this totally happened to us. Our son got his first vaccs and he was not very happy the next day. He had a fever for most of the day and wanted to be held at all times. Great advice!

Charlotte - posted on 11/09/2009

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I give my baby infants tylenol one hour before he goes in to get shots.

Kirsty - posted on 11/08/2009

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I agree with NJ. I have a doctor friend and she suggested I wait until my child's immunity was stronger. We are not allowed to eat seafood when pregnant because of the iodine content but when they are just born they inject them with an iodine based injection ???? She also suggested that the big MMR injection we do separately and not all together as it might be too much for the child. That's the injection that people are coming out and saying that their child got autism from it. I will consider that injection when my daughter is about 5. Also, don't do the rotar virus injection. The first batch that came out they had to take of the shelf as babies intestines were turning inside out!! It's all a hard decision but follow your gut - a mother's instinct is always right!

Hilda - posted on 11/08/2009

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Hi, with all the talk about Autism being linked to MMR vaccine. I would advice you to really do your homework on that. Make sure the vaccinations are well spaced out and observe your child carefully after every vaccination. YOu dont have to follow DR's timetable and you may pick and choose vaccination.

Lori - posted on 11/08/2009

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Several years ago I would have said the benefits of vaccinations far out weight the risks. I vaccinated all three of my boys without a single problem. However, within a day of my daughter receiving her six-month vaccinations, she was violently ill and had a seizure. After this occurred I read some literature one in 14,000 children experience this side effect. That number seems low, until it's your child who is "the one". Even though my daughter had an awful reaction to the vaccine, I still do not try to convince parents to not vaccinate. Just make sure you read all you can when making your decision. A lot of mothers I have spoken to are requesting vaccinations which are thimerosal (preservative) free to reduce risks of side effects. You are your child's best advocate. Medical decisions are ultimately up to you, not your child's doctor. Don't ever allow a doctor to convince you differently.

Katie - posted on 11/08/2009

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There are obviously a lot of opinions here. At first I was afraid of doing too many shots for my son, so I adjusted the schedule. We first completed the series for whooping cough, since there are a decent amount of cases here in the SW. After that, we began other shots. I figured as long as there were not too many at a time, we were ok. As long as your insurance co-pay is low enough for you to afford to come in multiple times, I suggest making a schedule you are comfortable with.

The only shot I am personally against is HepB, because my family has none of the risk factors (none infected, not health field worker). My child has not received it so far, and I intend to delay it as long as possible.

Joyce - posted on 11/07/2009

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If you would like to learn more about the risks associated with childhood vaccinations, do a google search for Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. She is an MD and is very knowledgeable and easy to understand. www.drtenpenny.com and go to the NVIC website.

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Quoting Nj:

Hi Mommy Ecel. Congrats on your new baby! I researched vaccines and the diseases they were intended to protect against before considering vaccination of my baby. I became aware that the toxins in the vaccines could interfere with the natural development of my baby. Then I considered the diseases they were supposed to protect against. I was nursing my baby and considered that as her first line of defense against disease. At birth, 2 months and throughout my baby's 1st year, I didn't feel my baby was at risk for the diseases the vaccines were supposed to protect against. I also needed more time to research this issue further, so I decided to delay all vaccines until I was completely comfortable with my decision. I felt it was the most important decision I was to make in my baby's life and I wanted to be certain it was well thought out. Of course my pediatrician was pressuring us to vaccinate our baby but I knew if there were repercussions of our decision to vaccinate such as the many possible and sometimes serious adverse reactions that have been reported with vaccination, our doctor was not required to deal with or live with the issue of loosing our baby or living with an injured child. I understood our decision was completely our responsibility. We decided to live with our daughter naturally for her 1st year where we can watch her grow and reach her milestones, get to know her. Then if after 1 year and further research we decided she should be vaccinated, we will decide then. That is the best advice I can give you. I did continue to research further and to this day haven't stopped. Now she's 15, completely unvaccinated, completely healthy. Although times were very different back then, not much awareness with the dangers associated with vaccines, no association with the internet, and much resistance from professionals, family members and friends, I am very thankful for the ability to be open minded and to make my own educated decision. I followed the same path with my other 2 daughters. Best wishes, love, and health for you and your new baby.



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I researched also & found the risks of NOT being vacnated were too great.  Plus the kids can NOT go to college without vaccines.  It's hard to get very far in life without college.



 





 

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I think this has gone a little off topic - the question wasnt "should I get vaccinations?" it was "how do you deal with it?" (although this is by far the most intresting and least frustrating debate I have seen on the former issue). Honestly, the thought of what it will be like is much worse than what it actually *is* like. If you think it will be too much then take some moral support but otherwise just be prepared for plenty of cuddles if they get grumpy.

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Mommy Ecel, what a can of worms you have opened. Ava had her two month vaccinations three days ago, and yes she has been very sooki and cuddly ever since. The Dr. advised to give some baby panadol, and this has certainly eased her irritability. I really believe that it is negligent not to vaccinate your child. Whilst you are protecting your own child, you are also being socially responsible and protecting your wider community.

Kate CP - posted on 11/06/2009

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What tests do they do at 6 months of age to determine whether or not a child is autistic??? The youngest child with autism I have ever read about was 18 months. Children all develop at their own pace and sometimes they skip steps or repeat them. It's nearly impossible to diagnose autism in a child who's only 6 months old.

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Quoting Francesca :



Quoting Nj:

Hi Mommy Ecel. Congrats on your new baby! I researched vaccines and the diseases they were intended to protect against before considering vaccination of my baby. I became aware that the toxins in the vaccines could interfere with the natural development of my baby. Then I considered the diseases they were supposed to protect against. I was nursing my baby and considered that as her first line of defense against disease. At birth, 2 months and throughout my baby's 1st year, I didn't feel my baby was at risk for the diseases the vaccines were supposed to protect against. I also needed more time to research this issue further, so I decided to delay all vaccines until I was completely comfortable with my decision. I felt it was the most important decision I was to make in my baby's life and I wanted to be certain it was well thought out. Of course my pediatrician was pressuring us to vaccinate our baby but I knew if there were repercussions of our decision to vaccinate such as the many possible and sometimes serious adverse reactions that have been reported with vaccination, our doctor was not required to deal with or live with the issue of loosing our baby or living with an injured child. I understood our decision was completely our responsibility. We decided to live with our daughter naturally for her 1st year where we can watch her grow and reach her milestones, get to know her. Then if after 1 year and further research we decided she should be vaccinated, we will decide then. That is the best advice I can give you. I did continue to research further and to this day haven't stopped. Now she's 15, completely unvaccinated, completely healthy. Although times were very different back then, not much awareness with the dangers associated with vaccines, no association with the internet, and much resistance from professionals, family members and friends, I am very thankful for the ability to be open minded and to make my own educated decision. I followed the same path with my other 2 daughters. Best wishes, love, and health for you and your new baby.





I can appreciate where you are coming from but at the same time I just want to say a few things.






First, I hate the idea that I have to fill my little girl with these foreign chemicals.  But I know its for the best. 






There is a reason that in less privileged countries when a child reaches a certain age you celebrate because they beat the odds of early death. these vaccinations prevent needless childhood death.  In the Phillippines they celebrate if a child will reach 2, and to Mexican's 5 is the safe point.  Mom's out in Africa would kill for these vaccinations. 






In Ontario I know that if you choose not to vaccinate, your child cannot go to school.  Because so many parents choose not to vaccinate a few years back thinking that since everyone else was vaccinated that there was no fear of an outbreak. To many thought that way and there were some serious and deadly outbreaks of menningitis that hit numerous schools.  Causing needless death.  The laws changed and now its mandatory.






And yes there is correlations with vaccines and side affects.  But none scientificaly proven.  And the odds of death from these diseases are so much higher compared to the odds of risk of complication from the vaccine cannot be debated. 






And even if you wanted to look at worst case senarios on both sides of the spectrum well, I would rather a baby with development issues than no baby at all. 






 





Thank you for bringing up the issue that your child needs to be vaccinated to be able to go to daycare &  school. now the amount of required vaccinations varies state to state, but you do need to submit a copy of immunization form to enter a school or daycare. personally, i am pro-vaccination because some of the deseases they are preventing are really bad & can cause major health &  developmental problems. so far, my son is almost up to date with his vaccines (at 8 months), we are behind on 3 b/c we moved from Florida to NC and the immunization schedule is different here, so he missed the 5month appt in FL and as a result is behind on 3 shots. I don't see it as a problem because he isn't in daycare and it also delays the MMR (which is great, because it's administered at 12 months, but i would like to wait until my son is talking and pointing at things to administer that shot because it's supposed to diminish the risks of developmental problems/autism).



however, i am very much against administering a cocktail of shots all at once because that increases the risk of fever & it's harder to get over the effects. that's true for stuff like DTAP, tetanus -- i got a tetanus shot when i was 20 & i had a fever that night, i can only imagine a 4 month old.



and they make it sound like combination shots is 1 shot. it's not -- it's however many is in there. just because your baby gets pricked once, doesn't change the fact that he still receives a full dose of each shot in the combination. at 6 months, i had an argument with my son's doctor who was saying oh, it's only 4 shots, it's safe. no, it's not. it's 7 (2 were combinations) and you gotta split them up. my son had a mild fever after one of them & was sleepy both times (we did 2 and 2, one combo one single both times), so i can only imagine his reaction if he got that crazy cocktail all at once. our nephew got the whole dose at 6 months, he ran a high fever for 36 hrs, slept like crazy, then for the next 6 months they were running test to see if he's autistic or not (and before that he was advanced in his development) because he kept clenching his fists & wouldn't talk or crawl until he was almost 11 months. so you never know. better be safe than sorry. my husband had to get off work early both times to go pick us up from the doctor, but, knock on wood, no side-effects so far (and mind you, both me and my husband are fully vaccinated & there aren't any known allergies to any medications or shots in our families). i don't care if i'm considered a paranoid freak in pediatrician's office, but God forbid something goes wrong with these shots, doctor won't be able to fix it.

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ok, first of all, if i were you, i would make sure that your baby is at 100% the day he gets vaccinated, if he isn't, come back another day (couple of days later).you don't want to administer any vaccinations if your baby is running a cold or teething or not feeling well.



i also wouldn't let them do all 6 vaccines in one day, split them up -- do half one day & half another day, usually a week later. i know, doctors & nurses will tell you how it's safe and blah blah, but 6 shots is A LOT even for an adult. and vaccines like poly-o, tetanus, menengitis are very tricky in a sense that they can cause a bad reaction in some kids, so it's best to not combine too many with them. you will have a reputation of a paranoid mom with your doctor, but better be safe than sorry.



also, before you go in, make sure that you have some infant tylenol at home just in case your baby starts running a fever. it's common for them to get a bit of fever afterwards, but if it gets high, you need to go to the ER. don't even bother calling your doctor, take your baby to the hospital -- the faster they can deal with the reaction, the less potential harmful effects it'll have on the baby.



please do keep in mind that medicine is a business these days and doctors over-book daily visits; when u do go in, it's usually not the doctor who does all the procedures, but the nurse and doctor just pops in for a few minutes to say hello & maybe do a brief exam and then is off to see another patient while the nurse does whatever else (like administer shots) to see as many patients as possible on any given day. so it's in their best interest to see you less times -- i.e. if they can give all the shots in one day, they don't want to see 2-3 times to make the same money because they can only charge the first visit & the subsequent ones they just charge the shots rather than daily visit because they already did the exam the week before.



now it's not entirely bad thing, because technically, combining shots supposedly has very low risks, however those risks do exist. and those risks come from having a bad fever afterwards (just like an illness -- if baby runs a high fever & it's not broken fast, that can cause developmental problems too because it literally heats up protein in the blood & disrupts/messes with brain activity). so just be careful when trusting doctors & doing everything they tell you word for word because they don't just look after your baby, but also for their own pocket. good luck!

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YOu just have to remember that the prick of that needle is far less pain than actually contracting one of the diseases you are getting them vaccinated against!!!

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Congrats!!! You have to go with your own instinct,I can only tell you that my son recieved only one vaccine at a time about every 6 months, I know it would be more painful, just wanted to be safe and he has been very healthy

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If this is your first baby prepare yourself that later in the day (after the vaccination has been give) your baby may run a fever, and feel tender around the area where it given. Also pay attention to the letter the doctor gives you about possible reactions. If you are a planner, like me, the day before or the day of, cook dinner and store it in the fridge. If there are other little ones in the house make pb&j ready to go & or a pot of soup (easy to serve) and maybe some juice boxes. This may sound extreme but I FOR ONE love to give undivided attention to my babies no matter how old they are and preparing ahead of time allows you to snuggle and love your baby when they need you most. Other than that....TIME.....only time will get you through this. Usually 24 hours.

Kate CP - posted on 11/06/2009

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Quoting Cathy:



The problem with the idea of vaccination is that it bypasses all your body's first natural line of defense - injecting viruses, bacteria and toxins directly into the bloodstream of developing immune systems. Naturally, when a virus or bacteria enters your body it's through the openings, eyes, nose, mouth, etc. being filtered and fought by your beneficial body flora, lymph nodes, intestinal mucosa, etc. all while providing ample time for your body to prepare and respond to the invasion. The act of injecting the viruses, etc. via vaccination directly negates this natural process.






This happens because vaccines create an artificial immunity at best.  I had mumps naturally as a child....once. This allowed my body to create a natural immunity to the virus that I was naturally able to pass to my own infant through nursing her. Same goes for varicella (chickenpox). I survived both illnesses and my immune system is stronger because of them.






You also have to consider the amount of vaccines infants received in 1983 compared to today. Infants today receive over 3x's more vaccines and at an earlier schedule than their parents did. See Generation rescue's chart (pdf).



Problem is...how many parents know what their 2 month old is allergic to? Most infants that age have never been exposed to the food ingredients (such as eggs) or the chemical ingredients such as aluminum, formaldehyde, thimerosal (mercury), etc. that vaccines are laden with. It doesn't take much further testing of these carcinogens, neurotoxins, etc. to know that they shouldn't be injected directly into the bloodstream of under-developed immune systems.






If you want to learn more a good place to start is on NJAICV's Books and Links page.  An informed decision is a wise decision.





The flora and fauna you speak of in your nose and eyes are white cells. A foreign body entering system  through an injection or through the mucus membranes has the same effect. There is no such thing as an "artificial immunity". A pathogen is released in some form or fashion to your system and the body responds by attacking it. I had the chicken pox when I was a child and I have a white cell count of 1,600 of cells per liter (normal is between 4-6 thousand). Did it make my immune system stronger? Obviously not, but my body has those cells that know what that disease looks like and kills it off.  The amount of inactive ingredients in a vaccine is pretty minimal and all of those "toxins" can and do get filtered through the blood. If your family has a history of vaccine sensitivity then there is a good chance your child will, too. Nursing is awesome, I did it and I loved it and I encourage moms to do it, too. But, if you've never had pertussis and you were never vaccinated for it you don't have the antibodies to pass on to you baby via breast milk. Vaccinating late or on an altered schedule is better than never at all. Even selective vaccination is better than nothing. I personally think all kids should get the DTaP vaccine because the diseases it protects against can get really serious, if not deadly, really quick.

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Quoting Cathy:


This happens because vaccines create an artificial immunity at best.  I had mumps naturally as a child....once. This allowed my body to create a natural immunity to the virus that I was naturally able to pass to my own infant through nursing her. Same goes for varicella (chickenpox). I survived both illnesses and my immune system is stronger because of them.





You also have to consider the amount of vaccines infants received in 1983 compared to today. Infants today receive over 3x's more vaccines and at an earlier schedule than their parents did. See Generation rescue's chart (pdf).






Problem is...how many parents know what their 2 month old is allergic to? Most infants that age have never been exposed to the food ingredients (such as eggs) or the chemical ingredients such as aluminum, formaldehyde, thimerosal (mercury), etc. that vaccines are laden with. It doesn't take much further testing of these carcinogens, neurotoxins, etc. to know that they shouldn't be injected directly into the bloodstream of under-developed immune systems.






If you want to learn more a good place to start is on NJAICV's Books and Links page.  An informed decision is a wise decision.





How can something create "artificial" immunity? Either you are immune to something, or you are not. It is true that a small percentage of people don't respond to vaccination, most do - and the presence of antibodies to the intended disease is there, just as it would be with a natural infection.



And whether you got immunity to the mumps via vaccine or natural infection, it is passed to the fetus by way of the placenta. Same with chicken pox. Of coure, either way, this passive immunity wanes by 6-8 months for an infant.



If vaccine immunity is so poor, then where's the epidemic of measles and mumps among adults who got the MMR vaccine way back in th 70's? Sure natural infection may produce a immunity with a longer half-life than the vaccines do - but if both methods result in immunity that is longer than the life-span for most people, I'll take the vaccine over the illness any day.



And as for the Generation Rescue link - the thing they don't factor in is the number of antigens in the vaccines. If you're worried about overwhelming the immune system, then the 1980's vaccine schedule is the one to worry about. The whole cell DTP vaccine contained more antigens than the entire vaccine schedule used today does. Improvements in medical technology have cut down considerably on the number of antigens in vaccines, even as the number of vaccines on the schedule has increased. Of course, I'm pretty sure that my son's immune system is worked a lot harder by the thousand and thousands of antigenic materials that he's exposed to when he sticks things in his mouth.



As for the ingredients tyou listed, they've been used in vaccines for some time. And studied extensively. There was a lot more thimerosal in the 1983 vaccination schedule that you posted, since it isn't used much anymore.



Good resources for anyone who's interested:



http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cg...



http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cg...

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Quoting Cathy:


This happens because vaccines create an artificial immunity at best.  I had mumps naturally as a child....once. This allowed my body to create a natural immunity to the virus that I was naturally able to pass to my own infant through nursing her. Same goes for varicella (chickenpox). I survived both illnesses and my immune system is stronger because of them.





You also have to consider the amount of vaccines infants received in 1983 compared to today. Infants today receive over 3x's more vaccines and at an earlier schedule than their parents did. See Generation rescue's chart (pdf).






Problem is...how many parents know what their 2 month old is allergic to? Most infants that age have never been exposed to the food ingredients (such as eggs) or the chemical ingredients such as aluminum, formaldehyde, thimerosal (mercury), etc. that vaccines are laden with. It doesn't take much further testing of these carcinogens, neurotoxins, etc. to know that they shouldn't be injected directly into the bloodstream of under-developed immune systems.






If you want to learn more a good place to start is on NJAICV's Books and Links page.  An informed decision is a wise decision.





How can something create "artificial" immunity? Either you are immune to something, or you are not. It is true that a small percentage of people don't respond to vaccination, most do - and the presence of antibodies to the intended disease is there, just as it would be with a natural infection.



And whether you got immunity to the mumps via vaccine or natural infection, it is passed to the fetus by way of the placenta. Same with chicken pox. Of coure, either way, this passive immunity wanes by 6-8 months for an infant.



If vaccine immunity is so poor, then where's the epidemic of measles and mumps among adults who got the MMR vaccine way back in th 70's? Sure natural infection may produce a immunity with a longer half-life than the vaccines do - but if both methods result in immunity that is longer than the life-span for most people, I'll take the vaccine over the illness any day.



And as for the Generation Rescue link - the thing they don't factor in is the number of antigens in the vaccines. If you're worried about overwhelming the immune system, then the 1980's vaccine schedule is the one to worry about. The whole cell DTP vaccine contained more antigens than the entire vaccine schedule used today does. Improvements in medical technology have cut down considerably on the number of antigens in vaccines, even as the number of vaccines on the schedule has increased. Of course, I'm pretty sure that my son's immune system is worked a lot harder by the thousand and thousands of antigenic materials that he's exposed to when he sticks things in his mouth.



As for the ingredients tyou listed, they've been used in vaccines for some time. And studied extensively. There was a lot more thimerosal in the 1983 vaccination schedule that you posted, since it isn't used much anymore.



Good resources for anyone who's interested:



http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cg...



http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cg...



As for the original poster's question - most kids do just fine with vaccinations, even the 6-in-1 shots. Your baby might run a fever, and likely will feel a it tender at the injection site - but probably only a day or so. You can give a fever reducer like Tylenol if you need to.

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Quoting Cathy:


The problem with the idea of vaccination is that it bypasses all your body's first natural line of defense - injecting viruses, bacteria and toxins directly into the bloodstream of developing immune systems. Naturally, when a virus or bacteria enters your body it's through the openings, eyes, nose, mouth, etc. being filtered and fought by your beneficial body flora, lymph nodes, intestinal mucosa, etc. all while providing ample time for your body to prepare and respond to the invasion. The act of injecting the viruses, etc. via vaccination directly negates this natural process. 






This happens because vaccines create an artificial immunity at best.  I had mumps naturally as a child....once. This allowed my body to create a natural immunity to the virus that I was naturally able to pass to my own infant through nursing her. Same goes for varicella (chickenpox). I survived both illnesses and my immune system is stronger because of them.



Problem is...how many parents know what their 2 month old is allergic to? Most infants that age have never been exposed to the food ingredients (such as eggs) or the chemical ingredients such as aluminum, formaldehyde, thimerosal (mercury), etc. that vaccines are laden with. It doesn't take much further testing of these carcinogens, neurotoxins, etc. to know that they shouldn't be injected directly into the bloodstream of under-developed immune systems.






If you want to learn more a good place to start is on NJAICV's Books and Links page.  An informed decision is a wise decision.






 






I just wanted to say thank you for the link, I'll be looking into it!  I was curious, have there been any studies that compare the immunity titer levels between people who have been immunised against a given disease vs. those who had naturally contracted them?  For example: I had chicken pox as a child, but if my daughter gets her shot, would her titer levels be similar to my own?  Also, one thing I thought it might be wise to clarify, is that the substances you mentioned above (mercury, egg derivatives, etc) are not actually injected directly into the bloodstream; they are intramuscular, not intravenous.

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Hi Mommy Ecel. Congrats on your new baby! I researched vaccines and the diseases they were intended to protect against before considering vaccination of my baby. I became aware that the toxins in the vaccines could interfere with the natural development of my baby. Then I considered the diseases they were supposed to protect against. I was nursing my baby and considered that as her first line of defense against disease. At birth, 2 months and throughout my baby's 1st year, I didn't feel my baby was at risk for the diseases the vaccines were supposed to protect against. I also needed more time to research this issue further, so I decided to delay all vaccines until I was completely comfortable with my decision. I felt it was the most important decision I was to make in my baby's life and I wanted to be certain it was well thought out. Of course my pediatrician was pressuring us to vaccinate our baby but I knew if there were repercussions of our decision to vaccinate such as the many possible and sometimes serious adverse reactions that have been reported with vaccination, our doctor was not required to deal with or live with the issue of loosing our baby or living with an injured child. I understood our decision was completely our responsibility. We decided to live with our daughter naturally for her 1st year where we can watch her grow and reach her milestones, get to know her. Then if after 1 year and further research we decided she should be vaccinated, we will decide then. That is the best advice I can give you. I did continue to research further and to this day haven't stopped. Now she's 15, completely unvaccinated, completely healthy. Although times were very different back then, not much awareness with the dangers associated with vaccines, no association with the internet, and much resistance from professionals, family members and friends, I am very thankful for the ability to be open minded and to make my own educated decision. I followed the same path with my other 2 daughters. Best wishes, love, and health for you and your new baby.


I can appreciate where you are coming from but at the same time I just want to say a few things.



First, I hate the idea that I have to fill my little girl with these foreign chemicals.  But I know its for the best. 



There is a reason that in less privileged countries when a child reaches a certain age you celebrate because they beat the odds of early death. these vaccinations prevent needless childhood death.  In the Phillippines they celebrate if a child will reach 2, and to Mexican's 5 is the safe point.  Mom's out in Africa would kill for these vaccinations. 



In Ontario I know that if you choose not to vaccinate, your child cannot go to school.  Because so many parents choose not to vaccinate a few years back thinking that since everyone else was vaccinated that there was no fear of an outbreak. To many thought that way and there were some serious and deadly outbreaks of menningitis that hit numerous schools.  Causing needless death.  The laws changed and now its mandatory.



And yes there is correlations with vaccines and side affects.  But none scientificaly proven.  And the odds of death from these diseases are so much higher compared to the odds of risk of complication from the vaccine cannot be debated. 



And even if you wanted to look at worst case senarios on both sides of the spectrum well, I would rather a baby with development issues than no baby at all. 



 

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Well my doctor said if I was worried to give her a shot of tempra 30 minutes before the appointment. I did the first time. But never needed to for the four month or six months.

For the actual needles (because the 6-in-1 is actually two needles on in each leg) Ella gave a little yelp and a tear but I picked her up and cuddled her and she was find. She was a little grumpy and tired the next day but I think the whole process was harder on me than her.

Good Luck

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Quoting Amber:

We def get our sons shots! everytime he is due for them



this is something that has to be done make sure you have the pain med.and what ever make the child happy if its something in the bottle or toy and just give a lot of love

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Quoting Kate:



Quoting siouxane ...






That's not how vaccines work. Vaccines work by introducing a foreign body with a certain genetic code into your blood stream.





The problem with the idea of vaccination is that it bypasses all your body's first natural line of defense - injecting viruses, bacteria and toxins directly into the bloodstream of developing immune systems. Naturally, when a virus or bacteria enters your body it's through the openings, eyes, nose, mouth, etc. being filtered and fought by your beneficial body flora, lymph nodes, intestinal mucosa, etc. all while providing ample time for your body to prepare and respond to the invasion. The act of injecting the viruses, etc. via vaccination directly negates this natural process.



 





The reason why vaccines "wear off" is because your body is constantly producing new cells every second of every day. These new cells may not be programmed to recognize the foreign invaders that were introduced 18 years ago and so the body may not be able to fight off the bacteria or virus as fast or efficiently.





 



This happens because vaccines create an artificial immunity at best.  I had mumps naturally as a child....once. This allowed my body to create a natural immunity to the virus that I was naturally able to pass to my own infant through nursing her. Same goes for varicella (chickenpox). I survived both illnesses and my immune system is stronger because of them.



You also have to consider the amount of vaccines infants received in 1983 compared to today. Infants today receive over 3x's more vaccines and at an earlier schedule than their parents did. See Generation rescue's chart (pdf).



 



Vaccines are safe for children who do not have a sensitivity to them. Study your family history, ask the doctor to run allergy tests if you like, BEFORE you decide not to vaccinate. If it's safe for your child, you should vaccinate.


Problem is...how many parents know what their 2 month old is allergic to? Most infants that age have never been exposed to the food ingredients (such as eggs) or the chemical ingredients such as aluminum, formaldehyde, thimerosal (mercury), etc. that vaccines are laden with. It doesn't take much further testing of these carcinogens, neurotoxins, etc. to know that they shouldn't be injected directly into the bloodstream of under-developed immune systems.



If you want to learn more a good place to start is on NJAICV's Books and Links page.  An informed decision is a wise decision.



 

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I dealt with it by not vaccinating my children. I have 4 children, and only the first child received baby vaccinations (I hadn't done my research 13 years ago). I do vaccinate for tetanus which usually comes in the DPT, and even then try to get it without the pertussis. You have to view the vaccination issue from both sides. There is a wealth of information pro-vaccine, but there is also the other side if you look hard enough. Be aware of what you are putting in your child's body.

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As you can see there are many reasons for and against, in the end it is your choice, alot will depend on which country you live in( as many do not support you if you choose not to vaccinate) and your life style.

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Quoting siouxane :

i have to agree with Nj Aicv, both my children are not vaccinated and they are perfectly healthy. The amount of research I did lead me to the understanding that vaccination is something that you need to relay on for the rest of your life. Once the first defense system gets taken away it never recovers and the vaccination wears off over time, so as an adult your defense system is not strong enough to support any diseases that come in. You need to continually have vaccinations because your body now depends on those drugs used. Mind you there are many other reason as well as to why I did not, including what my midwife had told me, being a nurse as well.
However this was my decision and I was harassed by many people, though I stick to guns and stand by my actions.


That's not how vaccines work. Vaccines work by introducing a foreign body with a certain genetic code into your blood stream. Your lymphocytes and neutrophils respond to the foreign invader and attack it and kill it off. This triggers your cells to change coding to recognize that foreign body in the future and to attack it faster, thus making any given illness either not as severe or benign. The reason why vaccines "wear off" is because your body is constantly producing new cells every second of every day. These new cells may not be programmed to recognize the foreign invaders that were introduced 18 years ago and so the body may not be able to fight off the bacteria or virus as fast or efficiently. 



The immune system is made up of several different components including T-cells, lymphocytes, neutrophils, and monocytes. They all have different jobs in that they all fight off different types of foreign bodies. Think of the armed forces. The army doesn't defend the sea, the navy does, and vice versa. Lymphocytes fight off viruses and various pathogens. Neutrophils protect against bacteria and fungi. Eosinophils attack parasites and are part the cells that cause a reaction when you are allergic to something.



The studies done on adults who were vaccinated as a child have shown that in many people by the age of 20-30 there are very few antibodies left in their blood stream. However, some people lost those antibodies earlier or later or some not at all. Vaccines are safe for children who do not have a sensitivity to them. Study your family history, ask the doctor to run allergy tests if you like, BEFORE you decide not to vaccinate. If it's safe for your child, you should vaccinate.




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benefits of vaccine outweigh the risks so we got it for our son.

I made him really comfortable talked to him in a soothing voice and then when it was over i had something there for him to drink and he was fine and happy afterward .

The bigger a deal the parents make it the worse it is just remain calm and so will your child .

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Go to google and look up "mumps" or "tetanus". Look at the pictures of the small children who have these diseases. Then decide if you're willing to put your child through that versus a small stick with a bandaid. Diseases like Whooping Cough (pertussis), diphtheria, and tetanus are all still around and all of them can be fatal. And for the record, you can get tetanus from any surface including plastic and glass. As for the "toxins" in vaccines...there is a reason why those ingredients are in there: to keep the vaccine stable. The human body is an amazing thing and can filter out all that junk through the kidneys and liver. Children who have a family history of vaccine reactions or have shown any type of sensitivity to vaccines should probably not be vaccinated or at least vaccinated on an alternate schedule. But, yes, you should vaccinate your child if your child is able to safely receive vaccines. If every one in the US stopped vaccinating there would be a huge pandemic of childhood diseases which would probably become medication resistant and turn into super-bugs. Vaccinate your kids unless they have contraindications to vaccines.

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Quoting siouxane :

Once the first defense system gets taken away it never recovers and the vaccination wears off over time, so as an adult your defense system is not strong enough to support any diseases that come in. You need to continually have vaccinations because your body now depends on those drugs used.


Vaccination is definately a personal choice  - never do something you are comfortable with. However, vaccinations are controlled doses of the disease you are vaccinating against - your body actually creates the antibodies that kill the disease creating your immunity. I had all my vax as a child (both my parents are nurses - one specialising in medication and one trained as a midwife) as have most people I know. Some have weak immunity some have amazing immune systems. What alot of people do to weaken their immune system is overuse antibacterial products. Your body actually needs to have regular battles with small amounts of bad bacteria to build its strength so that when a bad batch finds its way in your system is best prepared to defeat it...making it *less* dependant on drugs to work

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Take a deep breathe and just do it - quick like a bandaide ;)

The first lot was the hardest. Mine was grumpy for a few days after - just have some panadol on hand in case they need it. The good news is it is quick and once its done its done. Also the following lots I even got a smile that same day so it does get easier on everyone...

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We have vaccinated all three of our children but on our schedule, not the dr's. I believe that many of the illness that the vaccines are made for are the reason there are not major outbreaks of these diseases. That is why we choose to vaccinate. You need to do what is best for you and your child.

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I feel the benefits of vaccination out way any small risks associated with it.

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Give him infant's Tylenol before his appointment to make the pain easier to handle right away. Call your pediatrician's office before you do so to get the right dosage and timing!



Nevertheless, you'll probably still cry! :(

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