Abortion?

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A - posted on 03/27/2014

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There should be more education. Unfortunately some regions in the US prefer abstinence only and those areas have the most teen pregnancies.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/27/2014

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Angela, you never really answered the question though, regarding if you are pro-choice or pro-life. It is clear you would never have one, but do you support the legality of it? Do you believe women have the right to choose?

Angela - posted on 03/27/2014

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It's a contentious topic and always has been.

The question the OP has asked is "Do you believe in Abortion? Explain your answer!"

Well, abortion EXISTS so I think we all "believe" in it! I think the OP probably MEANT to ask "Do you AGREE with Abortion?"

I think it's fair to say that most people (whether they're pro-choice or pro-life) would like to see the number of abortions being reduced. Because even when you're pro-choice, this is a choice that most people would not like to be in the position of having to make in the first place.

Dee Dee Chud - I understand what you're saying. Here in the UK (I'm British) birth control/contraception is free. And the so-called "failure rate" of various contraceptives is invariably down to human error rather than failure of the contraceptive. But, to be honest, I firmly believe that there are some people who just don't bother with contraception at all - they're too lazy.

If I'm in a position whereby pregnancy would be disastrous to me, then (if I'm sexually active), I'm darned well going to use contraception correctly and by the book - and possibly even double-up (use 2 methods of birth control). And I don't care if I have to mess about with drugs or devices, take time out of my own personal schedule to wait in queues at Clinics or be subject to embarrassing questions or physical examinations by doctors, nurses etc .... I'm going to do it and do it right. Because all of that is far less problematic than subjecting my body to an intrusive surgical procedure that may well affect my mental health and emotional wellbeing afterwards. Even a medical abortion isn't something I'd welcome when it all could have been prevented. And that's BEFORE I've even considered the rights of the unborn infant!

I respect that other people may feel differently - and act differently.

There's never going to be overall agreement on this topic.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 03/26/2014

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And, for Christ's sake, can we please stop the bickering?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/26/2014

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Gena, you are fine. Often people will find easy faults in one another to look superior. I personally had no idea you were from Switzerland. I have no difficulty reading your posts, and you are doing great.

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Angela - posted on 03/27/2014

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Little Miss, I would generally describe myself as pro-life, but I probably sit on the fence a little bit over this.

It's too easy to judge others for their choices when one's own choice would be different. I think there should be more effort to educate (from Health professionals) and more effort to learn (from women of childbearing age) - BEFORE people find themselves experiencing a problem pregnancy. Then abortions could be significantly reduced without denying anyone their choices.

And men need educating too. No woman gets pregnant on her own.

A - posted on 03/27/2014

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I am pro-choice to a degree. I wouldn't have one myself (unless something terrible happened and I was raped). I do support a woman's right to choose as it is their business and not my own. However, I disagree with it being used as birth control.

Deedeechud - posted on 03/27/2014

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No I do not believe in abortion. I know a person close to me that had one after another to many to even count on two hands as far as I know. No regard to all of the lives taken or that persons own life. Even though birth control was there free of cost time and time again. It truly makes me sick to my stomach. There is a world for a person like that.....

Kim - posted on 03/26/2014

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I wrote a whole essay on abortion. I am all for the right to choose abortion but only extremely early in the pregnancy. I personally could never do it but some people do not feel like they have a choice. Anyway I am pro choice. So I am neutral :)

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 03/26/2014

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Why is this AGAIN being brought up? This is a highly inciteful subject. THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER.

However, now that its up and open for comments, the hen pecking will begin, with those "pro" beating up those "con" and vice versa.

Couldn't you have just gone through the pages and vicariously figured this out with the myriad OTHER posts?

For the record, I am PERSONALLY against abortion. HOWEVER, I am not anyone else, and I do not have the right, nor the responsibility to take others to task or to lecture them for their PERSONAL choices.

Enough said.

Gena - posted on 03/26/2014

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But Angela,heres the thing,you said its not a crime for other posters to request clarity.Thats totaly fine with me.But then you could have nicely asked me where i am talking about with the "here where we live" instead of telling me that not everybody using COM comes from the same country and that FYI: We dont!Wich i honostly found abit rude.Its not like i have been on COM since yesterday and didnt know that the users are from all over the world.

Anyway,here where i live with my family, in Switzerland,the health insurance pays the costs of an abortion. Health insurance is compulsory for everybody living in Switzerland and the costs are rising eatch year.Thats why i am not happy that the health insurance pays for abortions.

Angela - posted on 03/26/2014

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Jodi, you said: "Actually, you will find that Gena doesn't live in the US or the UK and English is not the first language where she lives. So her reference was not to the US, she was referring to herself."

Exactly WHERE did I imply that she lived in the US or the UK? All that was evident from what she said was that she lived in a different country to me.

I took it that when she said "Here where we live" she was using the pronoun "we" in terms of the CoM Forum users. If she'd said "here, where my family & I live .." I'd have understood better.

I totally get it (now!) that she was referring to herself & her family!

And ~♥Little Miss Can't Be Wrong♥~ I'm not looking for "easy faults" in others to look superior.

I genuinely cannot understand some of the posts on CoM. Gena is not a "problem poster" as such. But some write in text-speak, some have appalling typing skills and the hardest to understand are those who write a massive long post without paragraph breaks.

If people post to a public forum asking for opinions, comments and advice, they should be understood.

It's not a crime for other posters to request clarity.

Gena - posted on 03/26/2014

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Angela when i wrote here where "we live" i was talking about my husband,son and i..in Switzerland.Ofcourse i know that not everybody on COM lives in the same country,i am not as stupid as you think i am.You always pick me out for my spelling etc.Next time maybe ask me nicely befor judging me.And last time you told me to first find out how to spell a word befor writing it wrong..Again if i would have to first google every word i am not sure about i wont write anything anymore because i would have to check alot of words. I am sorry that my spelling is not good.I think the only thing that matters is that the moms understand my advice or opinion.And i know very well that there are moms on this site from ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Jodi - posted on 03/26/2014

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Actually, you will find that Gena doesn't live in the US or the UK and English is not the first language where she lives. So her reference was not to the US, she was referring to herself.

Angela - posted on 03/26/2014

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@ Gena W. " I also dont find it right that here were we live the health insurance pays for abortions"

You say "Here where we live" as though everyone who uses the Circle of Moms Forum lives in the same country.

FYI - we don't!

Gena - posted on 03/26/2014

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I personally only think abortion is a choice when like Little Miss said Rape or Molestation happens.I personally could never carry a baby if was raped and got pregnant.Why?Because i dont think i could accept a child that was created by evil and it would remind me everyday of the rape.Thankfully i have never been in that situation.But i would totaly understand if a woman would abort because of that reason.But abortion just because the pregnancy wasnt planned or because the timing isnt right is in my eyes not ok.It shouldnt be used as birthcontrol. I also dont find it right that here were we live the health insurance pays for abortions,i believe if a woman didnt want a child and got pregnant and she doesnt want to take responsibilty then she should have to pay for the abortion out of her own pocket,and not from us the people who are paying health insurance wich is getting more expensive all the time.There are 1000times more woman who use abortion as birthcontrol then those you have been raped an fell pregnant. I wouldnt mind if the insurance pays for women who have been raped,but paying for those woman who use it as birthcontrol is totaly wrong.Thats my personall point of view.

Angela - posted on 03/25/2014

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I don't agree with abortion. I've never had one but I'll have to also admit that I've never been in the position where I felt I might need one. So it's "easy" for me to talk! Other people have their own experiences which aren't going to be the same as mine.

I also feel it's probably a "necessary evil" to have legal abortion available. A woman who wants an abortion (whatever her reasons) very likely might go the illegal route if the legal one is not open to her.

The abortion statistics could be reduced by having better health education BEFORE a problem pregnancy occurs. By "problem pregnancy" I mean any pregnancy situation where the woman feels she cannot go through with it. Her reasons might be health related, financial, social etc ...

It is also fair to say that adoption as an alternative to abortion is not going to work on the large scale, only in individual cases. This is because the number of abortions taking place each year by far outnumber the numbers of prospective parents wanting to adopt a child.

Abortion has been with us since ancient times. It's not something "new" that has been invented in the last couple of hundred years. I once read that around half of all British women of childbearing age & above will have had at least one abortion. So it's widespread and common.

In some countries, safe, legal abortion on demand is their only method of birth control. This is because abortion taking place in early pregnancy is a relatively simple procedure for a qualified doctor to perform and because having a variety of contraception available depends on it being imported from other countries. It's a domestic economy control matter.

So, as much as I'm against abortion, I'm realistic enough to realise that it's not going to be eradicated any time soon.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/25/2014

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Who is trying to pick a fight?????? Not me. Moderating this page due to the highly controversial topic and have read previous post from this op. Just doing my job ladies along with having my very own opinions on the topic.

Amy - posted on 03/25/2014

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I would not sweat it serena it looks like Little Miss is trying to pick a fight.

Serena - posted on 03/25/2014

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Dont ask for opinion if you going to attack little miss. . I dont believe in abortion, but if it were due to rape, fair enough. . . If your mature enough to open your legs, your mature enough to raise a baby. . .

Amy - posted on 03/24/2014

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I dont personally believe in abortion. But each story and reason is different and unique. If I had a friend that decided on abortion I would not support her decision. But I also respect every individuals opinion but that does not mean I agree with it.

Michelle - posted on 03/24/2014

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I believe that a woman has a choice just like Little Miss.
I don't believe it should be used as a form of birth control but it should still remain legal.
The joy of being a human is we can make our own choices about everything and not have to do what everyone else does.

Brittany - posted on 03/24/2014

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Personally I don't believe in it. I don't think taking that choice from others is fair either though. Certainly there's adoption and other ways to deal with a pregnancy. I don't agree with the thinking that the baby isn't alive or is a parasite is justification for abortion. My sister was young and had one due to the circumstance she was gang raped at 14 but she to this day regrets it. She says all the time it wasn't the babies fault but she didn't think of it like that at the time.This is a subject I believe will always have a dark cloud around it.

Ev - posted on 03/24/2014

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I do not believe in abortion myself. And I have a couple of reasons why:
1) When I was carrying my son, the doc found something on the brain during an ultrasound and from then on came up with all kinds of things that could be wrong and each time the possible problems got worse and worse. The doc wanted me to wait for 8 weeks which would have put me in the third trimester anyway and then see if anything was wrong. Four weeks after hearing all these things that could be wrong I demanded the second ultrasound. Before it happened the doc I was seeing said that if the baby was so badly deformed and not have a viable life I could elect to terminate the pregnancy. It broke me. I could not do that when he was active, the heartrate was good, and he was reacting to outside noises. I decided with the father that no matter what I would carry to term. Neither of us believed in take the life of an unborn child, and since no health concerns for me were in the equation as it was, I carried to term. I decided that if our child was still born, I could deal with that easier than with the fact of telling my 6 year old daughter at the time that they had to take the baby because the baby was not really in good shape. I also did not want her to come to me when she was old enough to understand what abortion was and say she hated me for killing her brother. We were lucky and he was a miracle. He was healthy. He is not 17 years old and about 6 ft 3 inches. There was never anything wrong to begin with and I had a few people tell me after that when they heard my story that they knew couples that had elected to terminate the pregnancy because the docs were so sure something was wrong only to find the fetus was actually fine. What did that gain them? A life of heartache.
2)My other reason is plain and simple, it is also my religious belief.

I would not impose my belief on anyone else as it is her life she is dealing with not mine. But I would wonder why she needed the abortion. If its being used as a way out of having a baby because someone did not use birth control instead, its plain wrong. It is taking a life as far as I am concerned. But for those with medical issues, rape, abuse of drugs/alcohol, and other valid reasons; it is their choice.

Jodi - posted on 03/24/2014

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I don't believe in abortion for myself, but I do believe that there should be choices for all the reasons Little Miss points out. I do believe it should remain legal, as the alternative (having it illegal) does not stop it, and in fact risks lives.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/24/2014

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Clearly you don't believe women have the right to choose. It is also clear you are here for an argument, and I will be watching this thread very closely.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/24/2014

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A women has the right to her OWN body. A women can choose for herself what she wants. Take that as you will.

Boss-Hog - posted on 03/24/2014

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Yes, but do you Believe in Taking the Life of a Fetus(4 weeks old or older?)

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/24/2014

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I don't believe IN abortion, I believe women have the right to choose what they want with their body.

Why? Because contraceptives fail. Rape happens. Molestation happens. Abuse of drugs happen. Physical abuse happens. There are many reason I believe women should have the option for abortion. IMO, it should not be used as a form of birth control, but it is not my body, it is not my choice.

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