ADHD?

LaKeisha - posted on 10/09/2009 ( 14 moms have responded )

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Since my son has been in preschool, teachers have said my son may have ADHD. As we all know teachers talk to other teachers. I have had ocassions where teachers have got together and discussed what problems they thought they had with my child the year before then magically the teacher he has the next year starts having problems with or without him taking medication. He is not a hard child to deal with. If you look at him hard he will tell on himself. He has a good personality but tends to be the child that gets picked on all the time. How do I know if this ADHD thing is the correct diagnosis?

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LINDA - posted on 02/20/2011

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In response to blaming teachers. It is a two way street on how the parents act about their childs actions. I had some great parents who listened and supported ways to help their children understand it isnt ok to hit or yell out in class. Other parents gave no support and just laughed. Also many teachers hand are tied by the school system. Where I taught, I was not allowed to quietly put a hand on a childs shoulder to bring their attention back to class, because it could be considered physical abuse. Instead I had to bring a child's NORMAL distraction of looking out a window (not paying attention) to the whole classes attention verbally. It just makes the child horrible. In my school you couldn't hug, a hurt and upset child to give comfort or as a great job. As many teachers know, they have few ways to discipline in a classroom and the kids know it and take advantage of it. By the way I taught kindergaten these kids crave physical praise (hug) as well as verbal praise, kind and thoughtful and quiet ways to bring them back to task and ALOT OF ACTIVE FREE PLAY (recess) more than 10 minutes at a time. Kids crave love AND discipline (not punishment). Guide the children with a loving and strong(not overbearing) hand. We will have a better world and happier people.

Lorrie - posted on 02/20/2011

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We went to a pschologist had testing done on my six yr and filled out a form one we did the other his teacher my son has been having behavioral problems since kindergarten impulse control temper tantrums anger issues odd sesory issues and his older brother who,is 10 has ADHD he has been on focalin 10 mg for a couple of years now their are books you can get to see if your son has any of the signs of ADHD if I were you have him tested.

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Also most doctors don't look at food allergies as culprits for many of these disorders, and so often they are. Basic things like dairy or wheat can cause serious allergic reactions, and many of them manifest in the brain. Irridologists are homeopathic allergists who can non-invasively test your child for such allergies, and recommend treatments that usually don't involve drugs.

Deborah - posted on 10/12/2009

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Our son was almost 4 when he was diagnosed. Of course, it is hard to diagnose at that age because you don't know if he is just being a boy or if there really is a problem. I will tell you that I was having alot of trouble with him at home not listening and bouncing off the walls and getting into everything possible. It seemed that no matter what I tried whether it was punishment or a reward, nothing did the trick. He was going to preschool at the time this was going on and it seemed that the teachers were experiencing some of the same problems with him. He required one on one attention to finish a task and he would be off doing his own thing when they were having circle time or something. He was driving me crazy at home.



After watching other boys his age, I knew something was going on. I didn't like the thought of him having ADHD and taking meds for it but nothing I did was making a difference. I stayed away from caffiene and sugar and red dyes and he was still just as hyper as if he had been eating/drinking alot of it. I sat down with his teachers and the director of the preschool and they suggested I have him checked out but that was only confirming what I was already thinking.



I had him evaluated at a nearby school and they said he seemed fine but he was fine whenever he was one on one with somebody. That wasn't good enough for me so I went to the pediatrician and talked to her. She suggested taking him to a psychologist that specialized in ADHD. I took him to a psychologist and she could almost immediately tell that was the problem but she met with him several times alone and with us (his parents) before diagnosing him. Soon after, we were putting him on meds. We have had to adjust his medication a few times but I think we are finally getting on track with him. He is in Kindergarten now and is doing really well.

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Quoting Robyn:

I agree with all the postings above as an early childhood teacher with 3 children of my own there is significant over diagnosis of ADHD etc. This should only be labelled by a specialist pediatrician. Teachers should be able to deal with any behaviours including a child with ADHD if they are prepared to be involved in making the education of your child a priority. Unfortunately I see too often the pressure of numbers of children making it not possible for teachers to do their jobs well for all children in their care.
The behaviours you are talking about do seem more like a child with concentration concerns but this may be for a variety of reasons not ADHD.
Some children, particularly boys, are exuberant and often need a large amount of physical exercise. Which is a good thing, but modern schools often don't cater for thes children. Again it is not ADHD.
I would suggest getting a specialist to review your case and if it is ADHD look at a whole range of theraphies not just medication.
It maybe that your sons learning style is not one that "fits" into the schools mode of teaching and you may wish to investigate alternative schooling if it is available to you. If your son learns better under an individualised programme then a Montessori school may suit him better.
Labelling is never good.


There is plenty of alternative schooling out there, but most of those cost money (and usually a LOT). Why should we have to pay extra money when we already pay for our schools through our taxes?  If I am not able to do my job properly, I get fired, and there's no blaming someone else for it. Yet many teachers say that they can't cope with the students with learning issues and aren't trained to do so. So what are they taught? School boards and administrations know very well what is happening in the schools, so why aren't they preparing the teachers for it? Why are so many educators unable to educate?



My husband and I were lucky enough to find a wonderful tutor in our area who specializes in my daughter's challenge (dyslexia) - and loves her, to boot - but what about all those parents out there who can't afford the two hundred dollars a month we pay to our tutor, let alone the eight grand a year the local special ed school charges? Maybe if you're completely destitute you can get funding, but those of us who are getting by and not starving can forget about that.



I am sorry to all the teachers who are reading these threads and feel that they are being blamed, but the truth is, they are to blame. They are educated and then paid to educate our children, but many are failing. In the last few years I have been witness to so much indifference and resentment, and so little compassion and dedication on the part of elementary school teachers, and I am appalled.

Robyn - posted on 10/10/2009

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I agree with all the postings above as an early childhood teacher with 3 children of my own there is significant over diagnosis of ADHD etc. This should only be labelled by a specialist pediatrician. Teachers should be able to deal with any behaviours including a child with ADHD if they are prepared to be involved in making the education of your child a priority. Unfortunately I see too often the pressure of numbers of children making it not possible for teachers to do their jobs well for all children in their care.

The behaviours you are talking about do seem more like a child with concentration concerns but this may be for a variety of reasons not ADHD.

Some children, particularly boys, are exuberant and often need a large amount of physical exercise. Which is a good thing, but modern schools often don't cater for thes children. Again it is not ADHD.

I would suggest getting a specialist to review your case and if it is ADHD look at a whole range of theraphies not just medication.

It maybe that your sons learning style is not one that "fits" into the schools mode of teaching and you may wish to investigate alternative schooling if it is available to you. If your son learns better under an individualised programme then a Montessori school may suit him better.

Labelling is never good.

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Remember when kids acted up and goofed off and fooled around and didn't pay attention and couldn't remember how to do things and kicked food and generally got into trouble, and they were just being kids? Just about every parent I know who has a child who doesn't behave like a lamb to the slaughter ends up with notes from school and requests for the child to be seen by a specialist so they can be diagnosed. Teachers are so lazy today. They don't want to do anything at all, except foist off whatever problems they have in class onto someone else. If a child is diagnosed by a doctor, for whatever reason, the school receives greater funding and the teachers get more help and have to spend less time with your child (and more in the staff room, drinking, smoking and having sex - according to the Simpsons, anyway...).

Jodi - posted on 10/09/2009

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Quoting LaKeisha:

No I am not medicating him without formal diagnosis. He was diagnosed based on behavior my sister, his teacher, and I all sent to his doctor by answering questions on a test where you rate the child's behavior. After that the doctor just prescribed him a low dose to control what at the time they told me was hyperactivity. I was saying I just don't see the difference in his behavior. I still get letters from school saying he is not focusing and he was taking the highest dose for his age and weight. This dose caused him to have a tick. So he had to go down 5 mg's. I still see no change. It did stop the tick. I kind of feel guilty for having to give him medication if it is not going to treat the problem.


 



Formal diagnosis of ADHD should include diagnostic tests other than a questionnaire.  Others may correct me on this, but ADHD is a medical condition that affects behaviour, not a behavioural issue in itself.  If it is diagnosed purely on behaviour alone, and not brain chemistry, it may NOT be ADHD.  I'd be going to see a doctor who was not so ready to hand out the meds and more prepared to help you get to the root of the behaviour.



What you should look at is his diet, if you haven't already.  For instance, my nephew gets extremely hyperactive if he has anything with red food colouring in it. It took a while, but they finally narrowed it down, and eliminated it, and he's a different kid. My own daughter and step-son have a slightly milder reaction to red food colouring, so I am careful how much they are eposed to it, and also what time of day, LOL.  One of my son's friends reacts to yellow and orange food colourings. Other kids react to sugar, and so on.  Maybe seeing a dietician or nutritionist would help you more, given you have seen no change with the meds.



DO you have problems with him at home that you would consider excessive?  Personally it sounds to me like an easy cop out for the teachers.

Jodi - posted on 10/09/2009

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LaKeisha,



Thanks for the clarification. I have not personally had any experience with ADHD, but wanted you to clarify so you could get some help from the ladies here who have :) You are obviously trying to avoid putting him on meds if you can. Can you perhaps consider seeing another doctor?



I'll be perfectly honest, I have a 12 year old boy, and a couple of years ago in class, he was showing some of this same behaviour. SInce that year, I haven't had a single complaint, so I'm putting it down to pretty normal, unfocused behaviour. A book I have explains that boys, around the ages of 11-13 (obviously it can vary), have an increase in testosterone, and that increase will reflect in their behaviour. It affects mood and energy, causes 'disorientation' and their brains have a tendency to go out the window!! They can also become very restless. I see a lot of these behaviours in my own son from time to time, but I put it down to nature. He is in a new school this year, a boys school, and even his teacher recognises these as normal behaviours for boys. His teacher always takes the boys for a fruit break and run around outside after an extended class so as to help them with their physical energy levels, because he recognises that boys just can't sit still that long and learn efectively :) It is possible, if these behaviours are only fairly recent in your son, that he has hit the initial stages of puberty early and it is hormone related.



I wouldn't be allowing any doctor to increase medication just because the teachers say so!! If that's how the doctor works, its time to see a new doctor.

LaKeisha - posted on 10/09/2009

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Quoting Jodi:

Also LaKeisha, what kind of problems was the teacher having with your son? And how old is he?

I can tell you now, this ADHD thing is NOT a diagnosis if you have only spoken to teachers about it. ADHD is a medical issue RESULTING in behavioural issues, it is not a behavioural problem in itself.



Well Jodi I really don't know where to start. He is 10 now. He was diagnosed when he was about 6. The teachers seem to have petty problems to me, but maybe that's because as a parent I don't think the issues are that serious. I have 3 children and if I get all wired up at every little thing they do I will be a wreck. I have got notes about him kicking a biscuit n the lunch room, wiggling in his seat, dropping things off his desk, asking for direction on how to play a game after it has already been explained,messing with things in his desk when he should be listening, and just not  paying attention. To me some of the things sounded focus related but on the other hand he is just a child. I know adults that I work with that have the same problems and they are not medicated for it:)   It just seems to me that after one teacher found out they consulted with each other and they report nonsense to get his doctor to up the dose. This is not something to play with this is my CHILD! I don't understand how he can be such a problem but get A's. I just need help with trying to make since of this. I did not intend any disrespect to the teachers it is just hard for me to tell what to do about whatever is going on. I have sat in on his class and I don't see any of this behavior. I know there is something going on cause he does do things like wiggle a lot, runs around when most people would be still,talks excessively,and interrupts people when they are talking. I just feel some of the stuff is not ADHD related and if I am giving him the medication and he can't get anything that works then what are some other options?

LaKeisha - posted on 10/09/2009

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No I am not medicating him without formal diagnosis. He was diagnosed based on behavior my sister, his teacher, and I all sent to his doctor by answering questions on a test where you rate the child's behavior. After that the doctor just prescribed him a low dose to control what at the time they told me was hyperactivity. I was saying I just don't see the difference in his behavior. I still get letters from school saying he is not focusing and he was taking the highest dose for his age and weight. This dose caused him to have a tick. So he had to go down 5 mg's. I still see no change. It did stop the tick. I kind of feel guilty for having to give him medication if it is not going to treat the problem.

Jodi - posted on 10/09/2009

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Also LaKeisha, what kind of problems was the teacher having with your son? And how old is he?



I can tell you now, this ADHD thing is NOT a diagnosis if you have only spoken to teachers about it. ADHD is a medical issue RESULTING in behavioural issues, it is not a behavioural problem in itself.

Jodi - posted on 10/09/2009

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Quoting LaKeisha:

ADHD?

Since my son has been in preschool, teachers have said my son may have ADHD. As we all know teachers talk to other teachers. I have had ocassions where teachers have got together and discussed what problems they thought they had with my child the year before then magically the teacher he has the next year starts having problems with or without him taking medication. He is not a hard child to deal with. If you look at him hard he will tell on himself. He has a good personality but tends to be the child that gets picked on all the time. How do I know if this ADHD thing is the correct diagnosis?



Sorry, could you please clarify?  Are you medicating him without a proper formal diagnosis???

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