Amazon selling pedophile guide?

Jenn - posted on 11/10/2010 ( 31 moms have responded )

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What do you think about Amazon selling this?

http://www.amazon.com/Pedophiles-Guide-L...

A few friends of mine contacted Amazon to complain, and they replied saying that it would be censorship to not sell the book. What do you think? My thought is - Amazon is a business, not some governmental agency, so screw censorship! As a business you can pick and choose who you do business with - so why sell such filth?

If it really offends you, complain to them! Here's a facebook page we started to help spread the word and boycott Amazon until they remove this title from their listings.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-Am...

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Laura - posted on 11/11/2010

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Jodi A.--There is a distinction between writing about an illegal activity and acting out that activity. It is the action itself that is illegal. I can write about how to roll a joint but that isn't what is illegal--it is the ACT of rolling said joint that's illegal. Amazon sells a "classic"--Anarchist Cookbook (published in 1971) that gives instructions on how to make explosives. Making explosives is illegal, but courts years ago said the book was okay to publish and sell because that was not the ACT itself. That's how the law is interpreted in the United States.

Jodi K--your point about censorship was an excellent clarification. I stand corrected on that. The e-book in question is self-published--meaning the author wrote, editted (very poorly, if at all) and published it on his own, not through some large publishing house. He used computer software on his home computer to do this most likely. Amazon is simply a distributer, selling this crap to whomever wants to buy it. They are fully embracing the notion of an open, free-market economy. You are correct that this is Amazon's choice as well. They have chosen to make materials, no matter how personally distasteful or offensive, available to any and all consumers. I appreciate this in Amazon: I have been able to purchase books for my husband, who is a Freemason, on Amazon that I haven't been able to get elsewhere. Which has been amusing to me because right with the Masonic books are the anti-Masonic books that argue that Masons are evil and vile and should be feared! And I am fine with that! I simply choose, as a consumer, not to buy those books.

Jodi - posted on 11/10/2010

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Had I known about the other pedophilia books that Amazon supplies, I would have stopped using their services years ago. Had I known they carried a book on how to smuggle cocaine into the states, I would have filed my complaints years ago, thankfully someone brought these issues to light for me as it never occured to me to search book topics on issues that are illegal. I have informed Amazon on my decision to cancel my account and discontinue my patronage due to the fact that sell/carry books explaining how to get away with illegal activities, including but not limited to pedophilia.

To refuse to carry a title is not censorship, it's a basic choice. Censorship would be to not allow the author to publish his book by law. There are millions of books Amazon does not carry, it does not mean they are censoring anything, they make choices on what will make them money and represent them as a company, unfortunately they made a poor choice with this particular title.

Child pornography is illegal in the united states, pedophilia is illegal in the united states, I honestly can't believe that there isn't some law or by law that makes material of this nature illegal as well...if one can't take pictures of a child nude (as well it should be illegal!) how can one be allowed to not only condone, but give tips, advice and instructions on mini-condoms for children, groping, kissing licking, mutual masturbation and how to NOT get caught in the act? SICK!

Jodi - posted on 11/10/2010

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Laura, this isn't about rights or what is objectionable, the fact is, pedophilia is illegal. This book is promoting illegal activity. Disgusting or not, Amazon should not allow items promoting ANY illegal activity. In Australia, it would be illegal to publish and distribute this book. Illegal activities SHOULD be censored. They are illegal for a reason.

Laura - posted on 11/10/2010

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Yes, the subject of this book IS disgusting and reprehensible. I won't argue with that! The subject itself is only part of the issue: The main question being asked is about Amazon SELLING this material.

I will no doubtly be in the minority with this argument, however: Amazon has every right to sell it. I as a consumer, have every right NOT to buy it. Yes, as a business Amazon can choose to not carry this publication (it's an e-book, not a printed one) and I have no problem with folks boycotting and using the power of the dollar to try and encourage change by Amazon. But I stand by their decision to offer it for sale--to do otherwise WOULD be censorship.

Amazon has already been carrying a paperback book on the same subject since 2002 and few, if anyone, has noticed. Amazon also carries other titles on subjects that are just as disgusting and vile by any normal human being. Pick any topic that you find disgusting and you can find a book about it through Amazon! Gay erotica/porn? Yup! How to build a pipe bomb? Check! Books on hate groups? There they are! Books that condemn (religion of your choice here)? Yes! And those are just the non-fiction books available. What about the novels? Lolita by Nabokov? Lady Chatterly's Lover by D H Lawrence? At least Amazon carries James Joyce's Ulysses for the Kindle because Apple doesn't for their e-reader (too naughty, apparently). The point of all of this is that objectionable stuff can be legally purchased through Amazon already. I simply excercise my right not to buy it...except for maybe Ulysses, I haven't read that yet!

Brittany - posted on 11/13/2010

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it is horrible that this book exist but amazon has the right to sell whatever they choose to. im still going to use them. just not going to buy this book. and yes it could help track potential offenders so why not set the trap? think of the good this book could do on finding pedophiles that haven't been convicted yet. one child saved is worth anything

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Charlie - posted on 03/12/2011

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It' been taken down off Amazon .

Thank you for taking part in this thread .
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Alex - posted on 03/11/2011

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from memory when i last saw the updates of this case, 1. they can legally sell it because it does not describe or talk about the actual act of sex with a child....now i really dont think its an appropriate book to write but from a legal side amazon has every right to sell it unfortunatly saying they cant write a hand book on it is kinda like saying it should be illegal to make a crime show like csi because its implying ideas of how to get away with a crime.....legally they cant be separated the law dosnt have exceptions...if it did it could cause chaos

Linnie - posted on 03/11/2011

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Hooray, they took it down! I'm an Amazon prime member, and was about to throw a fit. I don't understand how that was offered!! Thank you for this post.

Krystal - posted on 11/13/2010

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well i think it is disgusting that they allowed it to go on sale. coming from a family were my father is a registered pedophile, i certainly hope he doesnt come across this book, its filth, i personally think the auther of this disgusting book is a pedophile, if he wasnt he wouldnt be defending them saying they are misunderstood and want to tech them a legal way to love a child. i mean come on. whose to say that once the book gets into a pedophiles hands that they wont reoffend because of the ideas he has given them. pedophiles are sick in the head and are mentally disturbed and once they have acted out on it there will always be that temptation to do it again. and that book is like puting fual on a flame. it makes me sick.

Laura - posted on 11/13/2010

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To Jenn: As I stated in an earlier post--I am NOT okay with the subject matter of this book! I also find it vile and disgusting, just as everybody else posting. I worked in social services with kids that had been sexually molested so I know first hand the damage that predators like this can inflict on children!

I was very clear in stating that I backed Amazon's decision to SELL this crap. It is not personal, it is a business decision. I also said that I supported people's efforts to boycott and use the power of the dollar to change Amazon's decision. That is how a free-market economy works--the consumer can use purchasing power to either not support the product itself (which is what I chose to do) or to not support the company that sells the product (which many here chose to do). In the end the consumer's dollar power with the seller worked and that is fine with me. That is how a free-market economy works.

The reason I supported Amazon's decision is because it was their right as a business to sell this material. As repulsive as the content was, it was legal to sell the book and their business choice to do so. It is a 1st admendment right, as interpreted by the Supreme Court, that pornography (IMO) such as this is considered free speech. I respect the Constitution and how it has been applied equally to all, even those who have sick minds. Ultimately it is the ACTIONS of sickos that are illegal, not their thoughts and writings.

Besides, if every book that contained "illegal" activities, non-fiction OR fiction, were banned, our reading sellection would be a lot shorter. Non-fiction "how-to" books abound on the different ways one person can harm another (which includes children). The government has even published 3 volumes of tested methods on building munitions! Murder/mysteries as a genre wouldn't be able to be published; after all many of these fiction stories actually are quite well researched in the accuracy and detail of how to kill someone! Yet many people are fans of this genre. I'm not one of them, but others enjoy reading about how someone kills another person (including children). Granted, usually the bad guy gets caught, but the story wouldn't exist without an illegal activity having taken place. "The Lovely Bones" comes to mind as recent fiction that contains disturbing content--the molestation/rape and murder of a young girl--yet it has been regarded as an excellent piece of literature. I haven't decided if I will read it or not...

Kelina - posted on 11/13/2010

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Curious where did you find the info on him being a pedophile? Other than his telling the reporter he thought pedophiles were good people that is.

Charlie - posted on 11/13/2010

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It has been removed from Amazon .

Kelina he is a self confessed peadophile who self published his book .

Tracy - posted on 11/12/2010

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Amazon apparently has pulled it and Pueblo, Co police are investigating the perv. And protecting him as he's had some pretty serious threats against him. I feel ever so sorry for him being scared..... Oh, wait, it was just gas.....



Ladies, the peeps have spoken, Amazon has bent to the Dollar Almighty in time for the holiday buying frenzy.



Oh and apparently he's only had one person buy it before it was removed. Whatcha wanna bet the authorities are paying a visit to that person too?

Jenny - posted on 11/12/2010

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I visited the site, One really has to be looking for this type of material to be able to find it. I did not prye further into the site, because this type of material is only for extreamelly sick people..Personally I have no idea how of where this publications exist, I would report them and not advertise them..Which is what we are doing by even discussing them. By the way cencorship is validated when used for violence!!!! As a society we should be able to ban any publication that reffers to violent activity against children!!!Simply report them,of course never do business with them as well.

Merri - posted on 11/12/2010

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I cant believe Amazon would see this book. But i am more upset with whom ever published it. In order to get his book published he had to pitch the idea to someone and they had to say "hey what a good idea". I am all for freedom of speach but Children dont have a loud enough voice to be heard so adults need to be there voice. The fact that Amazon would allow any such topic to be sold is disgusting because I am sure whoever decides which books Amazon will sell is an adult. As far as the above comments about Amazon selling books teaching others how to make bombs..as bad as those books are ( and they are) those books are not directed at hurting children. A child has no defense ( or next to no defense) against a predator as it is..so we give them a hand book on how to make it even easier to hurt a child. Honeslty how anyone could defend this is insane to me.

Kelina - posted on 11/12/2010

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I haven't fully read all the other posts so this may already be on here, but you know something, I'd be more interested on how the author knew all those things to begin with. I think amazon is stupid for selling them, and i don't buy things online anyways, but that's what i'd be looking at. If he can publish a how to guide, whats he done to learn these things?

Jenn - posted on 11/12/2010

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Laura Snow - from one mother to another I simply cannot fathom you being OK with this!?! Sure a company can sell what they choose to, but why choose to support such filth? This isn't a matter of questionable material or possibly offending a certain group of people - it is an instruction book for perverts to hurt and damage young children. I personally can NOT support someone who chooses to do business with a PIG like that - and in the beginning Amazon was defending themselves saying to remove the title would be censorship - which clearly is NOT the case as they are not some governmental agency - they are a business! The book has been removed, but not because they think it's a book that shouldn't be sold - but because they were afraid of losing everyone's business after the *#&$ hit the fan. And those other books did not go unnoticed - there actually was a big stink over the boylove book in the past, yet Amazon kept it on their list. This time, however, with the power of FB and the voices of many, the offending material was removed. The fight is not over, and we will not discontinue our fight to have the other items removed. I personally will never do business with Amazon, or any of their other umbrella organizations, including, but not inclusive to zappos.com.

Maria - posted on 11/11/2010

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OH MY GOD! I can't believe something like this is even legal to sell/own!! Screw censorship! This is an illegal activity and every adult out there has a moral and legal obligation to protect children everywhere!

Amber - posted on 11/11/2010

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It is illegal to even talk to a kid about sex if you are not their parent in some states. This is a no brainer.

Amber - posted on 11/11/2010

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Boycott Amazon! I am all for free speech, but this is encouragement of a violent act against children. I really don't even understand how it is even legal to sell such a book. The beauty of capitalism is that we can show Amazon that if they are going to support this then we don't have to support them. I have a hard time with the fact that internet companies can get by with almost anything. If that book was at your local B&N, you could picket and spread the news around your community and really do something, but on the internet they have an international market. So just stop shopping with them. There are plenty of banned books out there. Books like this should be a no brainer for a banned list. Makes me ill.

Jodi - posted on 11/11/2010

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Well, as far as I am concerned, this is carrying freedom of speech too far. The "freedom of speech" thing may allow this person to write a book about pedophilia but because it is an illegal activity it should not allow this person to create a "how to" guide/lesson book or teach people how to do it. If that is freedom of speech, I find that reprehensible, and is a perfect example why the American concept of freedom of speech can be so very much abused. I am pretty sure that things like this were never the intention when the term was included in the constitution.

Lisa - posted on 11/11/2010

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The page on amazon has been removed. You can search by the title but it brings up an error.

Firebird - posted on 11/10/2010

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This story has caused such an uproar that it's made CNN news. I don't use Amazon, (and now I never will) but I still sent them a message giving them a piece of my mind.

Jodi - posted on 11/10/2010

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Sorry, that second link isn't working - just copy and paste it and it shoulld work.

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Everyone please join the FB page and click the link on the left of the page to send an email to Amazon.com. This thread was originally on the Debating Mums page earlier and ever since then it has spread like wildfire accross Facebook! This is how things get done! We need to bug the crap outta them, inundate the poor customer service reps at Amazon with emails and phone calls! FLOOD THEM!

Tracy - posted on 11/10/2010

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I've been reading the comments on MSNBC over it. The Feds/FBI can force Amazon to cough up info on who's buying it. It'll make their job easier at least.

Yes, it's disgusting and personally I think people who sexually abuse children should get mandatory death sentences.

Erin - posted on 11/10/2010

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Replusive is the word that comes to mind when I saw this on my Facebook page. I can't believe that they can get away with selling such filth!

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that is absolutely terrible... and under product review it says less hatred and lighter sentences for pedophiles???? it just makes me cringe that people actually think that way... children are innocent how can anyone think its ok to compromise that???

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