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Brooke - posted on 12/08/2010 ( 52 moms have responded )

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I am currently pregnant with my second child, I do not know what we are having as of yet. We have a daughter who will be two in Jan but I would like to know some opinions on our circumstances with circumcision..
My partners family carries a gene that can cause a defect with the penis. I dont know the name of it but this is roughly what it is...
The uretha that should follow through the whole penis and finish at the tip, actually finishes anywhere between. So it can finish at the base and the hole is at the side where the wee will come out.
Now what I would like to know is as my partner had this when he was an infant and was born circumsized would it be appropriate if we have a boy who is born with out the defect to have him circumsized to be like his daddy or should we leave him.
Keeping in mind that chances are he will have this defect as so far all the close men in the family have had it.

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Kate CP - posted on 12/08/2010

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He won't look like his father. His father is a grown man and he'll be a newborn infant. By the time he DOES "look like his father" he won't want to compare.

Kate CP - posted on 12/08/2010

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What you are referring to is a disorder called Hypospadias where the urinary meatus (opening) is not at the tip of the penis. It is actually recommended that boys with this condition NOT be circumcised as the prepuce is used to repair the condition.

Dana - posted on 12/12/2010

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Brooke, maybe you're talking about the different degrees of hypospadius, if you are, you're correct there are different terms for each degree. Many times boys are born without foreskin when they have this condition. My son had it, he had maybe 1/8 of the foreskin he should have had. If there is any foreskin, they do leave it in case they need it during the repair.

As far as if you should get your child circumcised if he doesn't have it (hypospadia), I wouldn't do it.

JuLeah - posted on 12/10/2010

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Why cut your kid? His penis won't look anything like that of a grown mans until he is a grown man, so I don't get that argument.

As a grown man will be proud that his penis looks like his dad's? As a boy he will brag to his mates, "Yah my penis looks just like my dads"?

I really don't get it:)

I can see a little guy wanting to have a hat like dad's. or a boots like dad, but a penis?

I don't really have my mother's breasts and I am okay with that. I am glad my folks did not put me under the knife so mine would look more like hers.



Really, if you don't have to take a sharp knife to your son's penis, be happy.

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It's up to you and his father. My son is, but none of my nephews are.... IMO, neither option is automatically right OR wrong though I'm sure you will get some extremely STRONG opinions on here from both sides.

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Katherine - posted on 12/12/2010

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Well if certain people weren't yelling at her she wouldn't need to defend herself!!!!!

Dana - posted on 12/12/2010

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I agree, she shouldn't have been made to feel she needed to defend herself when she came here looking for help.

Dana - posted on 12/12/2010

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Her follow ups are just her trying to defend herself about knowing what she's talking about as far as the condition... I just reread them, I don't see any confusion to be honest.

Jodi - posted on 12/12/2010

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And a lot of people answered that question. It was her follow ups where it started to get confusing.

Dana - posted on 12/12/2010

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Eh, she explains why it might likely be an issue but, at the end she asks if it would be appropriate to circumcise if he doesn't have the condition.

Jodi - posted on 12/12/2010

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I'm sorry, her post is very confusing, because she also asks everyone to keep in mind that the chances are he will have this defect...... in fact the OP was so filled up with concerns about the defect that the question was lost in translation. All of the follow ups still kept focusing on this condition, so honestly, the true question is not clear.

Dana - posted on 12/12/2010

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She's saying, if she has a son and he doesn't have the condition, should she still circumcise.

Isobel - posted on 12/12/2010

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then who cares? You won't have to circumcise if there is no foreskin...I really don't understand your question

Katherine - posted on 12/12/2010

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******Administartive Warning********

The OP is asking for advice, support and recommendations. Please keep it at that or I will just lock this thread.

Dana - posted on 12/12/2010

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It's not always carried by the female gene, it often is but, not always.

Brooke - posted on 12/12/2010

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I know the condition, I have seen it first hand.. have you?? i said there is a HIGH, yes HIGH being the key word, chance of there being no foreskin. No I don't know the name because there is a whole lot of conditions very similar that have close to the same names. My mother in law, a nurse has a text book for these conditions, just them. They all differ slightly. They all have different names.

Jodi - posted on 12/12/2010

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So if they are already born without a foreskin, why are you asking about circumcision? It would appear that would be a non-issue. It is not about circumcision, but rather Urethral surgery, which is a totally different question.



I also question how you could have researched it if you don't know the name of it.....but anyhoo.

Brooke - posted on 12/12/2010

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ok, I have done research on this topic so just because i dont know the name does not mean I dont know what it is..
This is something that his father, my fiance carries.. My fiance's grandfather had it, his father had it, he had it and his brother. That means it has not been carried on the maternal side.
Now if he is born with this, there is a high chance he will be born without a foreskin. I say this as all of these men I mentioned have been born without a foreskin.
So thanks for the opinions, as no one really seems to understand what I am talking about I think ill leave it at this.

Lissa - posted on 12/12/2010

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I like in the U.K and don't know a single circumcised man, can't say any of them have had problems not being circumcised. Talk to your doctor about it, is it really medically needed. I don't think it looking like Dad's is an issue, no two bodies look the same anyway.

Kate CP - posted on 12/12/2010

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And therefor you are the end all be-all in circumcised penises, correct?

Sherri - posted on 12/12/2010

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Actually that would be almost any man I know remember I don't know anyone that isn't circumcised.

Kate CP - posted on 12/12/2010

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For some it does, regardless of when they had it done. Especially if it wasn't done well. You can't say it doesn't effect ANY ONE based on ONE PERSON'S experience, Sherri.

Kate CP - posted on 12/12/2010

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Okay, if your husband had it done later in life he would probably realize a loss of sensation. However, since he's never known any different he can't say it doesn't decrease sensation as he doesn't have anything to compare it to, now does he?

Sherri - posted on 12/12/2010

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It doesn't bother their sexual pleasure trust me my husband has never had an issue.

Justine - posted on 12/12/2010

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Why minimise their future sexual pleasure, without their permission, for infections that probably won't happen? I have four boys, and they have had no infections.

Vegemite - posted on 12/12/2010

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The Dr I used, who is the most reputable in Australia, recommends 1-2 weeks to 6 months but the younger the better. I chose to wait until they were old enough to have panadol in case of discomfort

Jodi - posted on 12/11/2010

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Oh, so you waited until they were older to get them done - I thought that made it more painful......

Vegemite - posted on 12/11/2010

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I have two boys we chose to have them done for various reasons. The main one being that we know a few little boys who had to circumcised for medical reasons. It was very painful for them but for newborns it isn't so bad, our boys didn't cry during the procedure as local anaesthetic was used but the were a little uncomfortable for a couple of day after, nothing that worried them all the time or made them cry. Panadol took care of any discomfort. However I'm not sure getting it done so he can be like his Daddy is a good reason. If you decide to get it done do a lot of research into the Dr you chose, the procedure they use and other types of procedures available.

Tamara - posted on 12/11/2010

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i Have two boys one will be three in march and the other one i jan but nither of them are done and there are a lot of thing that can go wroung with it they can get nerve damage and sometimes they cut to much of but it is up to u

Sarah - posted on 12/10/2010

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It's not recommended with hypospadias to have a circumcision done. In fact, circumcision nowadays is not recommended medically in newborns. There are risks with it such as incorrect results (taking too much or too little off), difficulty healing, infection, sepsis/shock (systemic infections), bleeding, and death (although rare, this does happen). Circumcision is purely cosmetic. As far as looking like his Dad, they aren't matched sets! My husband is, my son isn't. We all look different anyways. By the time he's old enough to remember what his Dad's penis looks like, he probably shouldn't be seeing it.

Sherri - posted on 12/10/2010

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It is a personal choice we did have all 3 of our boys done. But ultimately it is whatever you decide. If you think they will be more comfortable being the same as daddy go for it. My husband doesn't cover so my children would certainly know if they were different.

Sneaky - posted on 12/10/2010

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I don't understand the argument that it is a good idea to chop off over 50% of the pleasurable nerve endings in my son's penis so that he can 'avoid' some pain, maybe, when he is in his 90's, if he lives that long . . . it just does not make any sense to me :o(

Lisa - posted on 12/10/2010

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We choose not to circumsize our son because there is really no medical reason for this procedure. We discussed it with our doctor and decided that if it was something that our son wanted done, he could have it done when he was older and it was his decision.

Kate - posted on 12/10/2010

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My son is now 1 and my partner and I were very unsure about whether or not to do it. We eneded up going through with it and he was circumsized the ultimate thing that pushed us to do it was talking to our doctor who also works in a rehabilitation hospital for people after accidents as well as the elderly and he told us that when in old age if a man is not circumsized then it is incredibly painfull to clean. I dont not personally know if this is true but we choose to avoid him pain that he would have to face every day later in life if we could. But that was our own decision. It is completely up to you. I think you might need to do some research into it and make an informed decision. but laso like you said you dont know the sex yet so you may not even need to consider it any way. Good Luck

Ruby - posted on 12/10/2010

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I had my two sons circumsized, my brother was 5yr when he had to be circumsized. I wouldn't want any boy or man to go through that pain.

Christi - posted on 12/10/2010

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It is up to you on that matter. We had our son circumcised for sanitary reasons and because I read that boys that are uncircumcised are almost twice as likely to catch and spread an STD. I did alot of research and talked to three different pediatricians and decided it was best for my son. Alot of moms will argue that it is unecassary and that if they want it done they can do it later in life. My husband had to have his re-done when he was 7 and remembers it to this day and it still causes him to shudder. We did it as an infant and I was able to be in the room with him. The doc used numbing gel and he didn't even fuss when it was being done.

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Thnaks Jodi- I guess what I am getting from the info in that link is that an abnormally formed foreskin MAY be part of the condition in some cases. If that is the case, if I were you Brooke I would wasit to see if the little man does have the condition and if so does it affect the foreskin in his case; and I would make the decision from there. I am assuming that this is not something your docotr can rule out until the little man is actually born and can be observed in the first fe days of his life?

Isobel - posted on 12/10/2010

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I personally believed that it was not my choice to make, if I wouldn't do it to my daughter, I couldn't do it to my son. It's not my body, it's not my choice.

But good luck with your decision. Your son also won't be staring at his Dad's johnson, and the national circ rates are down to 30% so it is likely that he will not be even close to alone in the locker room.

It's not harder to clean either...the foreskin DOES NOT get pulled back until the child is old enough to do it himself (4-7)...so regular cleaning applies, just wipe.

just sayin'

Jodi - posted on 12/10/2010

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Mandie, I found this information. Reading the information, I am still not seeing what this has to do with circumcision, because obviously, treatment options will depend on the severity and also should be discussed with a specialist.

Also, Brooke, it indicates it is a maternal genetic defect, because it is a defect on the X chromosome (which is the chromosome YOU give him, not your husband), so in that case, if you have a boy, he is no more likely to have the condition than anyone else in the population unless you carry the defect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypospadias...

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Thank you Kate for the info on the condition, I have never heard of it and it is always interesting to hear about all the options. Can I ask, to clarify my own understanding- if the opening to the urinary tract is not in the usual place on the male child, does it mean that the remainder of the penis looks as it usually would? (i.e that the foreskin would still be intact but would not be protecting the urethral opening because it's located elsewhere on the penis?)

Kate CP - posted on 12/10/2010

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Okay, if the urinary hole is not in the right place that does NOT mean he is born circumcised. I think you need to do some more research on this condition.

Jodi - posted on 12/09/2010

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I'm confused, are you saying he may already be born without his foreskin? In which case whether or not to choose to circumcise is not necessary? Or are you saying he may be born with a condition which will require circumcision?

Brooke - posted on 12/09/2010

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we live close to a hospital which still does it but as I said chances are if I do have a boy he will be born with this condition, so if he is he will actually be born circumcised... but thank you for the imput :-)

Jodi - posted on 12/08/2010

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Brooke, I agree with Kate, that "looking like his father" is an irrelevant argument.

I know you are in Australia, so I though I would share with you that only 10% of babies undergo routine circumcision in Australia these days. So actually, by NOT circumcising your baby, he will look like the majority of his friends, so is highly unlikely to be bothered that he doesn't look like his dad anyway.

I think you will also find that unless there is a legitimate medical reason, very few doctors in Australia will actually perform the procedure.

Katie - posted on 12/08/2010

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Circumcision is a very personal choice. If you want him to look like his father and his father is circumcised, I would do it. If he has to have surgery to repair the defect, that would be a good time to do both procedcures since he will be under anesthesia. I would talk with your husband about his preferences and have several discussions with your doctor about it too.

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I would leave him uncircumcised. If he requires surgery they should be able to do it without removing the foreskin anyways.

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