daycare

Shannon - posted on 05/28/2011 ( 31 moms have responded )

3

1

0

I am going to start a small daycare, 2-3 children. Is $20 a day per kid too much or not enough?

MOST HELPFUL POSTS

Peita - posted on 05/29/2011

460

66

51

@ Kellie, some of the new regs are fantastic, but some will make it very hard for FDC, I just don't think they thought hard about us being a single carer, but I guess like all the changes that have happened before this, we will all adapt them to our service to provide the best servic we can :-) I find that sometimes with my own children, they do feel a bit left out, they usually start playing up and I just need to adjust myself so that everyone feels the love lol, you just kind of fall into a routine that suits all of the children and works for you, I used to do 5 days FDC with the hours of 6:30am till 5:30pm and yes the money was great, but it was starting to affect my family and I find only doing 3 days gives us more of a balance, you will find a happy middle like I did!!!

Peita - posted on 05/28/2011

460

66

51

I do Family Day Care in Austalia, My rates are: Standard Hours 8am - 6pm $7.35/hr/child, Non-Standard hours $8.35/hr/child, Casual Hours $9.35/hr/child and Public Holidays are $14.70/hr/child... I don't think $20 is enough to charge, for a day in care with me it costs around the $73 mark which is over $10 a day cheaper than childcare centres... Are you in America???? I am not sure how your childcare system works, the Scheme I am registered with is a government accreditated scheme and the families I have are able to recieve something called Child Care Benifit which is a government payment that is based on your income, the more you earn, the less you get from the government... Any how, just thought I would give you some numbers to think about, good luck!

Bri - posted on 05/28/2011

29,558

29

216

*also i was wanting to note that the daycare provider gave an extra 30 minutes to get to and from the day care, i might of been anything over 9 hours sorry!!! then she starts charging 3 bucks an hour after that! whoops!

Bri - posted on 05/28/2011

29,558

29

216

I think its really fair. I know that I pay $18 dollars a child, then after 8.5 hours its $3 dollars an hour after that!

31 Comments

View replies by

Peita - posted on 05/30/2011

460

66

51

Thanks for the info Jennifer, it is a requirement in Australia to be liscenced and if you are what I call an 'underground carer' then you can be in trouble with Community and Family Services.... Families who choose to use an unliscenced carer aren't elligable for what we call Child Care Rebate which is a percentage paid to families by the government to help in the cost of childcare... My rate which comes to $73 AUD per day per child does not include food or nappies, the parents have to supply those things... The childcare/ early childhood educator industry in Australia has fought very hard to get where we are with pay and benefits, we are now being called Early childhood educators instead of carers and our profession is starting to be recognised for the important job it is.... After all, the first 5yrs of a childs life are apparently the most influential... Sorry, I am a little bit passionate about the childcare industry lol!!!

Beth - posted on 05/29/2011

136

9

15

I keep two little boys at my house and charge a weekly rate, like most daycares in the US. I charge $120 per week. It does depend on your part of the country, though. I would say that $25 a day is fair, especially if you are providing lunch and snacks. My biggest recommendations are to get some expectations in writing at the beginning.
1. Children must be picked up by 5:30 (or whatever time you choose) or there will be late fees. I had some parents who were often not here until 6 or later...UGH!
2. Decide what you want your policy to be for the days that the kids don't come to your house on a day that they normally would...do the parents pay the full price even when they are on vacation?

I think having extra kids here does limit how much attention I can give my own two kids, but there are also a lot of benefits. They always have someone to play with and have learned to share, cooperate, etc very well.

Good luck!

Melissa - posted on 05/29/2011

32

19

7

Look online at the surrounding rates. You could get an idea of what others charge and if you want to beat the competition price it five bucks less, or so. You certainly dont want to start too low and realize in a few months that you need to increase rates.

Jennifer - posted on 05/29/2011

12

15

0

Unfortunately, there aren't any requirements (at least in the state of Colorado). You can get licensed, but it is optional. In the US, If you take your children to an unlicensed child care provider, you are not eligible for the child care tax credit at the end of the year. Many, many child care providers are not licensed or regulated in any way. I'm always shocked when I find out about unlicensed providers that charge the same as commercial daycares (which are heavily regulated for safety). But somebody must be paying. Not sure if they are uneducated or just don't care. Strange.

Peita - posted on 05/29/2011

460

66

51

I'm just curious, what kind of legislation is in place in the USA for people who run their own daycare from home???? In Australia, we need to be either registered with a Family Day Care Scheme or registered with the Department of Community Services which means we are fully liscened and have to go through an accreditation process to stay open as a childcare provider!!!

Shannon - posted on 05/29/2011

3

1

0

Thank you everyone for the helpful hint's. I will be looking more into the rates. Again, thanks all for the input.

Jennifer - posted on 05/29/2011

12

15

0

It probably depends on your area. But where I live, that is dirt cheap! Check with other daycare providers in your area. You should charge less than a commercial daycare. But don't sell yourself short either. It's a huge commitment to take care of other people-s children. It's a real job. And just like any other business you should be looking at the whole picture, which should include checking out your "competitors." good luck!

Mel - posted on 05/29/2011

5,539

58

228

I have a friend who just looksafter other peoples kids for extra cash no qualifications but she does it cheap which is $20 per hour, my daughter goes to an inhome daycare which is a very cheap one compared to all the other in my State and that is $50 per day she charges and works 7am-4pm

Blackwood - posted on 05/29/2011

0

0

36

Also, doing a home daycare is great for your own children as well, it gives them a chance to be with children their own age, they interact and learn to deal with other children, the good ane the bad. They spend time with you and I think in the long run make them more secure, not jealous. I am currently pregos and my son is now 21 months old and I work only 4 hrs a day, Mon- Fri, so that I can have Mat Leave and I will be starting a home daycare again. I had one a couple years ago, but then had to stop becuz the 2 boys I had moved away and the baby girl I had her mom lost her job just months after that. That's when I became pregnant with my son and knew it would be unfair to parents to not tell them I was pregnant and because it's so important for children to be with a consist caregiver, would have to stop for a bit to take care of my son. I knew all along that I would eventually go back to daycare, I can stay home with my children, take care of other children and give my own children many play mates.

Blackwood - posted on 05/29/2011

0

0

36

Depending where you are from. In Canada Ontario where I live it's as follows 4.5hr and under $20.00
4.5 hrs and over $35.00
1-2 FT days but not everyday $45.00
extra if you are late.
Parents are resonsible for diapers, wipes, change of clothing, diaper cream, sunblock and special foods, like formula, baby food, milk and lactose free items. You can ask them too bring in a playpen that will stay there and sheets and any other bedding that a child may need, but you are responsible for keeping them clean.
Contracts are a great way to set guidelines and rules for you and your parents to follow. These prices are for someone that has first/aid CPR including infant and police checks. Recipts for the parens to claim on taxes. If you claim you can claim many expenses like food, toys, cleaning supplies, high chairs, and sometimes even hydro, water, ect for the areas of your house you use for the daycare,(ect. kitchen, bathroom, playarea ect). I would also check to see the number of children your state allows you too take care of and the ages. We have a company called Wee Watch and they find parents for you and they pay you. Also some states also give you the option too pay into EI now and you can take Mat Leave, but you have to be paying into it for a year. Go online Google or Kijji and find out what other daycares in your area are charging or make a couple calls and find out. Here $20.00/day is very cheap and not enough when you factor in that you are pretty much helping to mold and teach a child and with food costs, extra hydro, bills ect.

Anne - posted on 05/29/2011

130

1

17

It also depends on if that daycare is licensed or if it's just a neighborhood mom who is running her little side business. That usually makes a huge difference in price.

Miyeon - posted on 05/29/2011

1

0

0

I think that it seems too small amount but it is also depending on your own kids? How many do you have?

Vicki - posted on 05/29/2011

2

21

0

Hi Shannon - I am also in Australia and I know the rates the others have quoted are accurate, but it does seem a lot as it takes a fair chunk out of the parent's pay.
I guess it really depends on how high the demand is in your area - if the demand is there, then you may be able to go a bit higher. Childcarers in Australia are very hard to get - especially good ones that you feel you can trust with your precious little ones. I think that if you are happy with $20 a day then go with it, but I would be asking the parents to provide meals for their children, eg a packed lunch, morning and afternoon tea, etc. I was a child-carer when my own children were young as it meant I could stay at home with my children while still earning a small income, with the bonus of giving my own children some company to play with. It can be a very rewarding experience, but you should probably stipulate that the $20 is for a standard day, then an extra amount per hour after that, otherwise you may get parents abusing your system by stopping off on their way home from work and you end up with their children for way past the standard day - as Breanne C has said - you could set your basic day rate at $20 per day for an 8 - 9 hour day, then after that, charge an additional fee, just so you don't get taken advantage of. Good luck with it - I hope it works out well for you.

Karen - posted on 05/29/2011

1,577

26

374

i keep kids at my home as well and i charge 25/day...i check in with my local daycares every once in a while to see what they have for prices and i tend to stay about $10 below them. i was charging 20/day but i supply all meals and snacks and it wasn't covering my expenses anymore.

Marion - posted on 05/29/2011

5

69

2

Shannon I would check out how daycare is in your area. Then you can compete with others on the rate of childcare...Good luck!

Patricia - posted on 05/29/2011

9

2

0

That is good. I was paying 25 a day per child minimum of 75 a week. I would have to pay 75 a week weather she was there or not just to keep her spot. They did supply the lunch and 2 snacks also.

Kellie - posted on 05/28/2011

1,994

8

175

Do you find it compromises your time with your children? Do they feel I don't left out or that they don't get enough of Mummy's time?

I don't mind all the rules/regulations as it is aimed a keeping children safe, if I was to put my daughter into childcare be it a home daycare or a centre I'd want to know she was safe. I will definitely look into it again :D thanks for the heads up :D

Peita - posted on 05/28/2011

460

66

51

There are alot of new regulations coming in on Jan 1st, there is a draft 280 page document on it all, but final is being done now I think!! I started doing FDC after my 2nd child, I now have 3 and have stayed at home for 4 1/2yrs so far and had years before that in childcare centres, I love being at home with my kidlets!!!!!

Kellie - posted on 05/28/2011

1,994

8

175

It would be a great way for me to still be with my baby :) and I love kids in general too. yeah I need to do a course first, so i'll revisit it once we are settled properly. They sound like great hours! i'll have to remember that!

Peita - posted on 05/28/2011

460

66

51

Hi Kellie, just letting you know that it is definately worth the effort if you choose to do Family Day Care or similar, I work 3 day a week 7am till 5pm and earn over $700, there is a huge need for childcare services in Australia and I LOVE the job!! I have been in Childare for 12yrs now and I sill love it :-)

Kellie - posted on 05/28/2011

1,994

8

175

I'm with Peita (I'm in Australia too), I've looked into doing the home daycare thing too, might again once we buy a house, and I was going to charge $80 a day per child.
You need to make it worth your time and energy too.

Peita - posted on 05/28/2011

460

66

51

It is not the childcare providers problem to worry about what you are spending your money on, if you choose to use a childcare service then you do what you have to, but just because you use gas/petrol, doesn't mean that the service provider should drop her fee's to accommadate you...

Peita - posted on 05/28/2011

460

66

51

The conversion rate isn't that different, my understanding is that $73 Australia = about $78 US, if you want to provide cheap childcare and not earn alot for your troubles, then go ahead and charge $20, but if you are going to run a daycare because you need the cash then charge more, I have many families on my waiting list as I provide a good service, I am just giving the facts about my service and what families pay in my childcare.. Yes, if you charge $20 a day, it will be affordable and people will use the service, but like I said, I have higher rates and have people lining up to get into my service because I provide a great service....

Bri - posted on 05/28/2011

29,558

29

216

remember minimum wage is around what?8bucks if you have a parent that works for that x 40 hours a week thats 320 a week that parent is making and minus deductions(taxes) so that parent is forking out gas money to traveling and daycare costs. (20 a day seems very reasonable) luckily i stay home with my SK and 1 B.C. But i last checked with a center around here HOme licensed day care, it was 18 for up to 9 hours, and 3 bucks after that like i stated..

Bri - posted on 05/28/2011

29,558

29

216

remember her currency is higher than ours! so yes i do think 20 dollars is fair, affordable and people will use you!

Bri - posted on 05/28/2011

29,558

29

216

Good luck with your small daycare! I always wanted to do one. with the BM causing CPS here and there - doesnt look good.

Join Circle of Moms

Sign up for Circle of Moms and be a part of this community! Membership is just one click away.

Join Circle of Moms