Do all other 3 month olds sleep?!

Abi - posted on 10/03/2012 ( 33 moms have responded )

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My 3 month old has been waking every 45 minutes in the night for a feed for the past 2.5 months. He also only sleeps for 15-30 mins 3 times a day! Our doctor recommended trying different things but nothing works and trying to let him cry it out doesn't work either, up to an hour later he's still screaming even when I'm right next to him. Ive tried pacifiers, singing,rockin him, and even co sleeping, nothing works! I even tried him on formula but that made him worse going from 45 mins to between 10-15 minutes. Any advice before I fall asleep standing up?!

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Trudi - posted on 10/03/2012

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I would suggest getting him looked at for silent reflux. He shouldnt need to feed that often - but may be in the habit of it now :)



My 3 month old was similar and we put him on Losec and he stopped all the screaming and slept alot better. Not perfect, but a lot better!



Silent reflux occurs when the stomach content comes up in their throat but they dont actually vomit that often. It causes them pain so they are often crying, pull off during feeds or want to be fed more often (keeps the acid levels down).



I would suggest finding a midwife/nurse in your area to have a look at him - or do some research - there is a list of symptoms which can help you determine if you think it might be.



If you look up http://www.cradletokindy.com.au/ there is a link to signs and symptoms near the bottom of the page.



Doctors dont see your baby at home so be persistant if this isnt the answer. Maybe a midwife/nurse to visit your house? While not all babies sleep - yours should be getting more than that! Good luck!



Oh and you can get thickened formula - or reflux formul - which might be worth a try.

Sally - posted on 10/06/2012

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You're HV is an ignorant jerk. There is no such thing as "giving in" to a 3 month old. Babies cry because they NEED something. You are being a good mom by responding to your babies needs. 3 months is way too young to have "sleep habits". They shouldn't let people that ignorant give baby care advice. A mommy not as good as you might actually listen to it.

Trudi - posted on 10/06/2012

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Abi - it is so not your fault. You need a good HV who will support you not blame you! every child is different and some things just dont work. My 3yr old was a horrid sleeper - and we did all the sleep clinics/ tried everything nothing worked on her.



His screaming does sound like reflux, and a dummy.pacifier should calm him down if it is purely a comfort thing to feed. You could try holding him in a feeding position with the pacifier in?? I had to feed mine in an upright position or they would scream (tucked their legs under my arm so they sat on my leg) and placing the bedding on a slant is worth a try as others suggested - pop some phone books, bricks - or large book under the head end (if you are on wheels pop something on the other end so he doesnt roll away).



I blamed myself when no 1 wouldn't feed til i found out the cause. You are loving your son - his feeding issues are not your fault. Babies don't start developing routines til after 3 months - they forget before this and can be easily changed.



Please find someone who deals with reflux/ silent reflux in your area and get him checked out! I really hope you find someone, you can't go on the way you are - I know i lived on 2 hours sleep a night for 3 yrs and it was horrible. Once things got diagnosed life got better.



Just read your comment above again and it makes me mad - your HV is terrible, and it is not your bad choices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sally - posted on 10/05/2012

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It could be a food allergy or reflux or colic or just a high needs baby. You need a professional who will really help you instead of giving you crap. 3 month olds are supposed to nurse to sleep, that's why milk makes you sleepy and to wait 3 weeks for the doctor when a chronic problem gets worse is just wrong. Unfortunately, if it's a food issue, a good search engine may be more help than a doctor. If I'd known what to look for, I could have gotten my now almost 3 year old's allergies diagnosed at 2 months instead of 4 months and we'd have both been a lot less miserable a lot sooner.

It's only going to get better when you figure out what's wrong and fix it. Hopefully, that won't take much longer. Until then, I'd recommend co-sleeping while nursing lying down. With a little practice you don't have to be awake for it. Also sleep when he does even if it's just for a few minutes.

Good luck

Gwen - posted on 10/05/2012

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It is not your fault. There is no one to blame here. AND, there is no such thing as "giving in to" a 3 month infant. This is not about a power struggle or him trying to manipulate you. He is screaming because something is wrong. You are trying to find out what that thing is. You are his mom and you are doing your job. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise!

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User - posted on 10/16/2012

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Sounds like silent reflux. My girl had it bad at 3 months old. She is now 6 months. The pediatrician put her on soy and loses. The loser stopped her sleeping for 3 days and the soy is so high in estrogen it gave her little boobs. I was so desperate that I took her to my chiropractor. Turns out she needed a couple of minor adjustment and things started working properly. Fixed her totally in 2 days, 2 sessions. Never had a problem since.

Trudi - posted on 10/12/2012

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Glad you have had some answers. Hope the medicine works. If you are not getting results try something else. In Australia we have Zantac - which works for only a while, and Losec. My daughter was on Losec from 3 weeks and my son from 3 months. It works well. (have to disolve the tablet slightly in a bit of water or apple juice.



Started rice cereal at 4 months which also helps.

Abi - posted on 10/12/2012

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He works every day fom 5:45am-6pm and there are no buses that go to the primary school the Bigger ones are at. I have tried using taxis but they always come so late that the school sent the education welfare officer round to have a go at me for not getting them to school on time. He's been diagnosed with silent reflux and put in ranatidine but it will take a while to see any results. According to a lady I've even talking to in a reflux site the dose he's on may not have an effect as its the very minimum he can go on but I'm still hopeful that it will ease his discomfort a bit and if it doesn't I will be taking him straight back to the doctors. A lot of people have suggested giving him baby rice but as he's not yet 4 months I didn't know whether this was a good suggestion or not. I've got an appointment with the nurse at my GPs next week as my HV is not very supportive and tends to lay blame solely at my door and doesn't believe in silent reflux at all! I'm very very good at being boring at night tho and he seems to go down a bit easer than before so thank you for that advice!

User - posted on 10/10/2012

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your baby is too young to cry it out. my baby did the same thing and now at 6 months we are doing sleep training. shes been sleeping 10-12 hours with about 4 night wakings and 3-4 hours total during the day. he may just be chronically overtired. If he gets too tired, it is hard for him to fall asleep, and you get in a vicious cycle. Some good advice i got is to be as boring as possible. do not stimulate him any more and make him more tired. I had to let my baby cry to sleep as i held her a few times until she caught up on a little sleep.

Debs - posted on 10/08/2012

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Well first i would like to acknowledge the fact that you were real brave to leave the other twos dad cos it is never easy. So well done! And now you are with a laid back guy who sounds the opposite of what you had before. And he is great to have adopted the other two like they were his own. So lots of good stuff has happened. But if you say: "He is almost constantly asleep", what does that really mean? Lazy? Does he do drugs? Does he drink? Depressed? Or none of these things? What does that say about you? And why do you have to walk the bigger ones to school every morning? What does he do and don't you have public transport or a car? You cannot go on like that and if you are breasfeeding, you need to look after yourself alot better. Considering George is so little, I would suggest you really focus on him for now and try to evacuate the fears that haunt you from the previous dad. Go and see and post-natal midwife. Ask the town hall, go and seek some proper professional help. You owe it to your baby, your children and yourself.

Abi - posted on 10/08/2012

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George has a different dad to my ther two. The other twos dad was really violent. I had a broken jaw broken arm and leg bleeding on the brain etc but thankfully after 8 years I gathered up the gumption to leave him. George's dad is not like that at all and has taken on my other two as if they were his own. He's so laid back he's almost constantly asleep so he can be a bit slow to help when I'm struggling but I'd rather have that than the other situation x

Debs - posted on 10/07/2012

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hi Abi, I have just scrolled down the various exchanges you have been having with people and it is great that there is so much support out there :-) But I keep thinking back in one of your messages when you wrote: "I would have been eaten black and blue if the other two screamed that much". Do you mean the children's father would have beaten you? Do you mean you live in this constant fear of keeping the children quiet so as not to "upset" him? Please I hope I misunderstood. Because if that is the case, the issue is not so much George ....

Debs - posted on 10/07/2012

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hi Abi, I have just scrolled down the various exchanges you have been having with people and it is great that there is so much support out there :-) But I keep thinking back in one of your messages when you wrote: "I would have been eaten black and blue if the other two screamed that much". Do you mean the children's father would have beaten you? Do you mean you live in this constant fear of keeping the children quiet so as not to "upset" him? Please I hope I misunderstood. Because if that is the case, the issue is not so much George ....

Abi - posted on 10/06/2012

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Is it possible infant gaviscon can make things worse does anyone know?? Since he has been on it he has been 100x worse. He's slept for 2 hours total from 7pm-7am and has had 1 hour in total from 7am-8pm. I don't know what to do to help him. He needs to sleep so badly (me too:(!!)

Abi - posted on 10/06/2012

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I got a letter off HV today full of information on breaking bad sleep habits caused by bad parental choices and giving into your child's demands too soon.

Abi - posted on 10/06/2012

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Hi everyone! Thanks for your replies. I have cut dairy out my diet so will wait to see if that ha an effect. I took him to the doctors yesterday and they gave him infant gaviscon. He's been on it for 24 hours now and there has been no difference at all except for he is being sick and he has never been much of a vomiter. He was u ladt night wantig feeding from 10-6 when i have up and got up with him. Should the gaviscon have an effect straight away does anyone know?? Once again thank you for taking the time to reply to me. It's so comforting to k ow there re people who understand and can offer help and advice! X x

Anne-Marie - posted on 10/06/2012

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Im about to take my 9 month old to the tricillian centre in sydney as he is such a terrible sleeper. He' s my number 3 but nothingi do works. Maybe there is something like that near you to help

Anne-Marie - posted on 10/06/2012

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Im about to take my 9 month old to the tricillian centre in sydney as he is such a terrible sleeper. He' s my number 3 but nothingi do works. Maybe there is something like that near you to help

Angela - posted on 10/05/2012

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I would wonder if perhaps your own diet is causing the upset? Often babies think they are still hungry when they have sore tummies as the sucking can sooth them. I have food allergies and definitely notice certain things that effect me make my little man (4 months) cry lots and feeding him is all that settles him when I no he isn't hungry. It's comfort feeding. Try a dairy free diet if you can or perhaps see whether he has reflux or colic. Hope that helps :)

Holly - posted on 10/05/2012

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My son was like that too... I tried so many differernt things, For us it was just time. I wish I could give you better advice... I really needeed some during that time

New Mom At - posted on 10/05/2012

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I just wanted to let you know my experience with my last baby. I too breastfed him, as well as my first two children twenty years earlier!!!. This last baby though was nursing every 35 - 45 minutes around the clock. By the time he was 10 weeks old, I couldn't do it anymore. We came to find out that he wasn't getting enough breast milk, so we began to supplement with formula. Now that is a trial in itself because his little stomach couldn't handle milk or soy based formula. We ended up using a sensitive stomach formula. We noticed an immediate change. He could sleep for 3 or 4 hours at a time. He has NEVER slept all night yet and he is 14 months old but I can handle 4 or 5 straight hours of sleep compared to 30 or 40 minutes.. Good luck on your journey.

Abi - posted on 10/04/2012

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I had a go at that last night and I tried giving him a nap at 7ish ( he only naps for an hour max) and giving him his bath and putting him to bed at 10 to see if he'd sleep a bit longer............ Nope! I'm so tired I could cry, my breast are angry they are getting that much use from him!! I was in bed at 2 am crying my eyes out ( silly me). I'm going to phone the doctors this morning to get an emergency appointment a I can't go on like this. I want to keep breastfeeding him as I'm so proud of myself for doing it ( bottle fed my other two) especially under these trying circumstances, but I'm so tired I'm beginning to crack! Have to walk my little girl over 2 miles to school every morning and that walk 4 times away mixed with about 3 hours sleep out of 24 is killing me! Good job George is so gorgeous or I'd be a nutcase by now!!

Juliannemarie - posted on 10/04/2012

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When I found out willow had reflux, I put a pillow under her crib mattress so it would keep the acid down. I started giving her cocyntal and gripe water. Then nursed her sitting instead of laying down. I also would hold her in a sitting position for half an hour after each feeding. She sleeps much better now.

Abi - posted on 10/04/2012

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I phoned my doctor this morning and explained. No appointments for 3 weeks!! HV finally phoned back and told me its my fault because he falls asleep when he nurses but she will come and see me on the 29th october

Abi - posted on 10/03/2012

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Thank you all so much for your responses! I live on the U.K so some of the things you suggested I had to google ha. I did wonder about reflux because my older 2 both had this and both had to go on soy formula milk and have gaviscon added to bottles but thy both only woke up 1-2 times a night. George ( y 3 month old ) seems to be getting worse! The past two night he was feeding off me from 1am - 6am, I know a lot f it was comfort sucking but if I removed him from the breast into any other position ( lying flat, lying propped up, on my chest etc) he started screaming his head off. I'm starting to blame myself for giving in to him. I know that my other children's father had a lot to do with how I am now. If my older two had cried or screamed I would have been eaten black and blue So I'm wondering if I still have tht instinct in me but I also try to quieten him so a) my other two aren't shattered for school and b) his dad isn't shattered for work!! I'm at my wits end tho now. I have phone my HV three times this week and she still hasn't got back to me even tho I was in tears in y messages, maybe I should phone the doctor? Thanks again everyone, at least I know some one is listening to me! Xx

Barb - posted on 10/03/2012

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Contact a lady named Helen Sands! She is a sleep consultant and designs a plan to teach you how to train your child to sleep! My first was like that and we hired her when he was 4 months old and within a week he was trained. He also had reflux.

Lisa - posted on 10/03/2012

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Yeah... All babies are different. My son didn't sleep through the night until he was two, but my daughter was the opposite. I would say that if formula made it worse...maybe he is lactose sensitive. I had to try a bunch of formulas before I found out that Similac Sensitive was the only formula my daughter could stand.

Abi - posted on 10/03/2012

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It's comforting to know that! Everything else I read is about babies who either sleep thru the night or babies who wake every 3 hours for a feed, what I would give for three hours sleep! Even 2 hours would be heaven!!

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