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Chris - posted on 11/01/2016 ( 71 moms have responded )

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How have access in this group ?
Is there a limit of quantity members accepted ?
Thank you very much by advance.

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Jodi - posted on 11/04/2016

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I'm not even bothering to debate this one anymore, because it's clearly pointless. I'm not going to change my views (which are based on more than internet, tv and magazines), and he's not going to change his. I will just say, however, just because it is legal, doesn't always make it right. It's legal to smoke cigarettes, but that's harmful too. Just saying. Cheers!

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 11/04/2016

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Actually, I don't think it is that you don't understand.

I think that you ahve become so fucking accustomed to everyone in your country bowing down to you, as a MAN (Oh, such a big MAN, who cannot logically parent his teens), that you simply think women know nothing.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 11/04/2016

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You clearly DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

YOUR method is ABUSE. plain and simple.

THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE form of spanking is as we have stated, with a bare hand, 2 or 3 swats on a clothed bum. Since you CLEARLY do not wish to understand, and CLEARLY want to keep arguing, and CLEARLY get all of your fucking information from the internet, which we ALL know is the ONLY authority out there, and every fucking thing on it has GOT to be true...

Go away. Your kind of discipline is abuse. You, in my opinion, are an abusive, lying asshole.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 11/04/2016

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Abusive Ass. That is my opinion of your behaviour.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 11/04/2016

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I never once lied, Chris, I stated "In the US, assaulting your children is illegal. Period. One may, WITH DISCRETION, use a hand on a fully clothed butt, with 2 or 3 swats.", which is the truth. YOUR method of "spanking" (Beating a child while they are bare-assed, using implements) IS ILLEGAL in the US.

This says it all: "when a child is deprived of something he loves a lot, for me it is another form of assault and worse than having a simple spanking.

If a kid got full of tears when he is deprived of something and less by a spanking i prefer the spanking." YOU are a lazy parent. You prefer the easy out. You don't WANT to take the time to BE A QUALITY PARENT.

Furthermore, yes, the bible does state "to spare the rod is to spoil the child". This means APPLY PROPER DISCIPLINE. Nowhere in the bible does it say "beat your child"

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♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 11/05/2016

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Then he goes on to say that the anti spanking movement in France is going strong, so this comes across as a desperate attempt to justify his lack of desire to parent logically and non violently

Michelle - posted on 11/05/2016

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That's it Jodi, the law says you can't hit another adult so why is it legal to hit a child.
He can't actually answer that, he just says that spanking is legal.
Maybe he got spanked too hard while a child and it lead to brain damage.

Dove - posted on 11/04/2016

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*any object other than the hand...

I'm not sure if it's the language barrier or if you really are as big of a moron as you are presenting yourself to be... but I am extremely inclined to believe the second.

Chris - posted on 11/04/2016

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give a punch to a child I am against this attitude. Yes the line of spanking is not clear. But in the French forums, even a simple spanking by hand on pants made many controversial for anti-spanking parents. And if a father says to spank their child, parents say it is a pedophile. You see in France the anti-spanking are worse than you, Jodi .... I prefer to come here and read reviews from another mentality.

Dove - posted on 11/04/2016

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*Be aware that the line between spanking and abuse is not always clear. As a general rule, hitting a child with a closed fist, burning a child, or hitting the child with any object other than the hand, crosses the line from discipline to abuse. - See more at: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/ar...

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/ar...

Spanking... yes. Hitting a child w/ an object... well, like I said... absolutely can be prosecuted.

Chris - posted on 11/04/2016

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Already in the US, police permits spanking, and certainly not after imprisoning parents

here a link a cop said this teenager has right to be spanked. And it's an american cop. If was really forddiden, a cop knows the laws, will no this to this teenager.
And certainly this teenager at home will have no a little spanking with clothes, but a biggest spanking without pant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1vNocCwL1c

Dove - posted on 11/04/2016

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You really think CPS and the police are monitoring all internet forums and IP addresses and hunting down every sick freak on the internet bragging about abusing their kids? Yeah... because they aren't overworked and underpaid enough as it is...

They should be in jail and if someone knows who they are and reports them to the proper authorities and the proper authorities take it seriously and do a proper investigation... prosecution is absolutely possible. There are a lot of steps that would need to happen first though. People in real life DO get prosecuted for spanking and abusing their kids though. It's happened and will continue to happen... just not as widespread as it should.

Chris - posted on 11/04/2016

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If the US, spanking bare ass was really forbidden, I think all parents in the Pro Spanking group would be in jail,prison, and also those in other US forums ....

Chris - posted on 11/04/2016

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when a child is deprived of something he loves a lot, for me it is another form of assault and worse than having a simple spanking.

If a kid got full of tears when he is deprived of something and less by a spanking i prefer the spanking.

Michelle - posted on 11/04/2016

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Spanking, beating, smacking, hitting are ALL assault, I don't care how many times you try and "defend" your actions, you are assaulting your children. You should never lay a finger on anyone.
What if you were hitting your wife. Would you give the excuse that because you don't leave bruises it's not abuse? Sorry, the law would state that it is, why is it different to hit children?
Can you see the stupidity in your defense? Why is it NOT okay to hit another adult that CAN defend themselves but it is to hit children that can't. Total insanity!!!!

Chris - posted on 11/04/2016

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Michelle :
First : in my country the spanking is admitted then my kids charge against me, never.
I give spanking to my kids, no beating, it's all the difference.

And the Pope in 2015 was agree by an spanking education.

Jodi - posted on 11/04/2016

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How about just being more open to the fact that you can be less violent with your children and still have a positive outcome in raising well-rounded functioning adults? You talk about testimonials....take one here from someone who has adult children, works with teenage children and has a psychology degree. Seriously, why would you choose to hit your kids when there are so many ways you can work WITH your children to achieve positive outcomes in the long term?

Michelle - posted on 11/04/2016

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I am in Australia and it is illegal to spank, hit or smack a child and I'm glad it is! Stop assuming everyone on here is in America.
Glad I don't work for you if you are willing to spank adults. That IS assault.
Go away and take your stupid views elsewhere. You are an abusive Father and I hope your children get the courage to charge you with assault one day.

Chris - posted on 11/03/2016

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the US, spanking is accepted in many of your states, not lying to me.
Beating a child is illegal, but not a spanking.

Chris - posted on 11/03/2016

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In fact if I had employees, I would not give a spanking for bad behavior. In China, this spanking employees for a bad job. It's true I do not live in China too. I believe that the Bible speaks of spanking and spanking existed since ancient times. Each method to educate her. My children love me even if I give them spanking, and they are not violent toward others.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 11/03/2016

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OK...so, you misrepresented yourself as a mom, you have over the top creepy views on beating nude children, and you think everyone ELSE is strange?

At least the dad's who truly want/need advice state up front that they are dad's. You did not. You let it lie. What a jerk move!

In the US, assaulting your children is illegal. Period. One may, WITH DISCRETION, use a hand on a fully clothed butt, with 2 or 3 swats.

As far as the US Constitution, you can keep your views. We, in the US happen to be proud of our independence, and we don't need a nanny, unlike some other cultures. I value all of my rights and freedoms, including, and especially my second amendment rights. You don't have to understand or like it. You don't live here. We aren't perfect, but we certainly aren't heathens. At least WE UNDERSTAND the meaning of quality parenting without abuse and assault.

This explains why you would not answer my question, so I will rephrase it. When you screw up, do you let your wife hit you? It is the same thing, after all, as you assaulting your fifteen year old.

Michelle - posted on 11/03/2016

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I see spanking as the lazy way to bring up children. Actually having consequences and following through with them are a lot more time consuming.
Even sitting down and discussing why your child is misbehaving and actually listening to them is too hard for some parents. Maybe open you ears to what your child needs and why they are doing things that you think require a spanking instead of just reacting first.
Our children are people with feelings as well, you wouldn't spank your employee if they made a mistake doing their job so why spank your children if they do something wrong. It's your job to teach them right from wrong and the only way they really learn is by making mistakes.

Chris - posted on 11/03/2016

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There are subjects on spanking and also the spanking bare bottom, I give my opinion because I do this education. I see nothing wrong with that.
All as i given advice in anothers sujects, conversations to help members.

It's you who are strange, no me !

Chris - posted on 11/03/2016

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About spanking, there are also autobiographical stories, magazine publishing, ...

Thanks to have change your words for me

Dove - posted on 11/03/2016

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A man being here talking about bare butt spanking of children is worrying/upsetting to me. You don't get to tell me how I feel is not valid just because there may be other men on this site.

Chris - posted on 11/03/2016

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I don't understand your message, i did a copy for a translator website but the translation in french is really bad to have the perfect sense of your words.

Iam sorry sincerely.

Jodi - posted on 11/03/2016

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Are you going to address where you are getting you "testimonials" from? As opposed to actual research from valid sources?

Chris - posted on 11/03/2016

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a man here is not worrying because I saw several men having profile of the posts on this site. I spoke things that spanking that there was something for every different opinion.

Jodi - posted on 11/03/2016

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1. There is always choice.
2. No violence is actually ok - hitting kids, death penalty, gun violence - none of it is ok. Maybe if we stopped role modeling violence to our kids, some of this other stuff wouldn't be quite so prevalent.

Feel free to do some actual research other than watching TV.
http://news.utexas.edu/2016/04/25/risks-...

Dove - posted on 11/03/2016

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What do weapons and the death penalty (both of which I'm against) have to do w/ spanking your kids?

And the reason it's a female profile thing is because this is Circle of MOMS... You don't really have any business being on here in the first place wasting our time w/ this nonsense. Quite frankly... a man on a woman's site promoting spanking naked children is quite freaky and disturbing...

Chris - posted on 11/03/2016

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Everyone has their views on that.
It's like in the US, there are people for the death penalty, if I were American I would be against that. Why I am against the death penalty because many people were judged guilty and eventually they were innocent. The death penalty when it's really the culprit, yes, but otherwise no.
Such as the carrying of weapons in the US, Americans often use the weapon to kill people of their family and other people, not for defense, but to resolve their problem. And possession of weapon for the amendment said that the weapon is to defend but not to kill people, I think ...

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 11/03/2016

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You don't really understand the point of view, Chris.

The REASON that other parents prefer to spank is because they are lazy and don't wish to put the WORK into logical discipline and consequences such as restriction or removal of privileges.

As I said, it takes a QUALITY parent to take the tough road, to persevere when it gets hard

Chris - posted on 11/03/2016

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When parents spank, spanking is not every day or every week. It is only when there is a bad attitude or bad grade in school. I have not one child, but I had a problem when registering on the site to add my other sons.
And I'am a dad, no a mom.
There is much dad in the site who writing here, i'am a dad.

My wife give rarely the spanking but the children do not respect her with her méthod.
I must always come help her to calm the children.

I must change the pink image woman, but i can't change this image with mon computer and on tab it's possible to change but ni on pc where I 'am present actually. When i use the tab I will change the picture.

Dove - posted on 11/03/2016

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There is always a choice. If spanking is the only thing that works... I would advise that family to seek therapy and parenting classes immediately... Especially at the age of your child.

Chris - posted on 11/03/2016

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I understand your point of view, but when other different methods of spanking does not work and only spanking lets be obeyed, there is no choice. After there spanking and spanking. Spanking with a very strong pain for over a week with object, not in this case, i 'am disagree for this.
All as diaper punishment without spanking who is more terrible as attitude and punishment than single spanking.

Dove - posted on 11/03/2016

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So... who cares? I wasn't spanked and I'm not violent either. I said it is a risk... which you definitely just admitted to there, so my thing is WHY would a parent risk harming their child when there are other ways to parent? WHY would a parent not want to phase out spanking in favor of more logical consequences? You said earlier that a child would prefer a spanking to another consequence... That right there is a reason to NOT spank because it is letting the child off 'easy' and no actual parenting or thought has to occur on either end. The point isn't to punish our kids when they do wrong... it's to teach them why not to do wrong in the first place... and not just to aviod negative consequences, but to seek positive behavior because it's the right way to be.

Chris - posted on 11/03/2016

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There has certainment violent children because they were getting spanked, but there also has spanked children who are not provided became violent. As non spanked children who are violent because parents were too absent, a deceased parent and the child was angry against everyone ...

I was spanked i'am no violent against adults, no flighting...

Dove - posted on 11/03/2016

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Oh, and for the record... I didn't spank him for hitting us, but for other things... it's just that spanking made his anger issues so much worse that it was the absolute worst way to deal w/ him.

Dove - posted on 11/03/2016

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So you won't believe a testimony unless it says what you already believe to be true...? Typical, close minded, and ignorant response.

He used to be violent towards me and his sisters... when I stopped spanking him and started handling him in other ways... he stopped trying to hit us. He STILL has a lot of anger and other issues and wants to lash out, but because our home is a safe zone... he is no longer violent.

Some children will react very badly to being spanked and there IS a risk and you don't know about the reaction until it's too late to undo. Don't contradict what I have personally lived and witnessed. I already said that it did not have that impact on 2/3 of my kids, but it IS a risk. Unless you can acknowlege and admit that... communicating w/ you is beyond pointless because you clearly don't care about anyone's life experiences if they say something you don't want to believe.

Chris - posted on 11/03/2016

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Dove :Many children are spanked however violent. I know children who have never been spanked yet are violent, brawling. I know children usually spanked never violent with the others children.

Michelle and Jodi : I never say that if a child tape a parent that the parent does the same. I find that a child who types a parent makes less controversy if a relative slap her child.

Dove - posted on 11/03/2016

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My son used to be violent... when I quit spanking him... the violence stopped.

There... now you have read a testimonial that spanking CAN do harm.

Michelle - posted on 11/03/2016

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Testimonials aren't research, they are just opinions of people that enjoy assaulting others.
If a child hits an adult then it's NOT okay for the adult to hit the child back. What do you think that teaches the child? It teaches them that they can use violence if they don't like what is happening.

Jodi - posted on 11/03/2016

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I'm sorry, are you suggesting that if a child decides to hit the parent, then the parent has every right to hit the child? Really? Um, NO. That is NOT an excuse to hit a child. If a child hits you, then you need to redirect and deflect that. Children need to learn that hitting is NOT okay, but the way to teach that is NOT to hit back.

So you have read testimonials on the internet. You know what? Big freaking deal. They are people you don't know. Never met, probably. Why would you consider them authorities on the subject? You are assuming noone here has any (1) parenting experience and (2) qualifications or real life testimonials from a professional perspective. DO you know why people who use methods other than spanking claim those methods are a failure? Because it is hard work and they are lazy and therefore insufficiently consistent to be able to do it consistently enough to be successful.

Chris - posted on 11/03/2016

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I said that often a parent who slaps a child is considered child abuse. And when it is the child who is violent, knocking her parents, it's parent abuses in this situation. Unless the child has every right to his parents, but not them on their children as they are considered to abusive parents.
I understand the anti spanking because you thinked there is others methods to punish kids. I 'am perfectly agree with this opinion.
I have read many testimonials from parents on American and French forum, website before saying they had used spanking deprivation and other things. And it had been a failure, as children were worse. And when they decided to use spanking, it was arranged. Many spanked regularly during weekends until the day Several children have calmed down from having behind red.
And threatening to spank the calm and also again became obedient.

regards.

Jodi - posted on 11/02/2016

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"And when a child hitting a parent, smack a parent and more, it's admitted but the contrary, no."

I'm not understanding what you are saying here.....

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 11/02/2016

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Chris, if you lived elsewhere, would your discipline methods change? After all, in Muslim countries, mutilation of females is considered "proper" discipline...would you follow that custom as well?

It has been scientifically proven that spanking after a certain age is harmful. I, personally, stopped physically disciplining my children when they were old enough to understand English, which is our native language.

I also must point out that OF COURSE a teen would rather a quick beating than being deprived of their phones, or internet...because then they would be unable to entertain themselves and get lost in social media! This is why it is a perfect consequence at those ages. It takes a quality parent to have the staying power to enforce a restriction or removal of privileges.

I was "spanked", if that's what the French call physical assault with a hairbrush, wooden spoon, or belt. I have zero respect for how my mother handled our raising, which is one reason that I only used Dove's method of 2 or 3 swats to a clothed butt with my hand, and stopped around age 4.

Why do you not agree that it is assault? The definition of assault is a physical attack or altercation. You are physically attacking a teen, who is probably more than capable of defending himself. If he were to defend himself, you would only elevate your physical presence...it truly is assault, no matter what country you live in.

Do you allow your husband to hit you when you do something wrong?

Chris - posted on 11/02/2016

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Jodi : okay for your explain of your profile, i understand now why your profile is secret. And no a troll too.

Okay for your message yesterday deleted too.
When a parent hitting a kid with impliment it's child abuse.

And when a child hitting a parent, smack a parent and more, it's admitted but the contrary, no.

Jodi - posted on 11/02/2016

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Actually, Chris, I am anti abuse....and as I said in the other post, bare bottom spanking is abuse. Anyone coming to an open board here bragging about bare bottom spanking then making them sit in a corner still naked and wants to discuss that with like minded people is sick and is a troll. Do I think ALL spanking is abuse? No, I don't. I don't agree with it, and think it is a form of assault, but it isn't all abuse. But if you are stripping a kid down, hitting with an implement, whipping, hitting in areas of the body that are inappropriate, hell yes, I will call you out for abusing your child. Just as I will if you are verbally abusing your child or in any other way emotionally damaging them.

For your information, my profile is secret because I don't really want creeps accessing it. I have been here on this board for years, and my profile has always been hidden.

And for your information, I removed my post from yesterday, because Circle of Moms was playing up and not updating properly and it turned out I simply repeated what others had said, but you had since responded, so my post made no sense (difficult to explain).

However, if you are accusing me of being a troll, go for it. You won't win that battle.

Dove - posted on 11/02/2016

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I already explained that. Jodi feels strongly that all spanking is abuse. If you felt a person was abusing their child would YOU be tolerant of that? I sure wouldn't be... I have read how you 'spank' your son and I do feel it is abuse, so I am not tolerant of your view on spanking either.

If you don't like what we have to say about what you do... don't post about it. If you don't care... quit trying to defend it because our opinions on the subject will never change.

Chris - posted on 11/02/2016

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She did a post yesterday in this conversation because i had a mail notification of message of her here. And when I click on the link, no message visible. She had deleted his message. But there is another message in a different conversation where she think I'am a troll because I did message about spanking.
She isn't tolerate for the different opinion to her.

Dove - posted on 11/02/2016

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But I don't see any comments from Jodi on THIS post...so I'm not sure why you felt the need to even bring her into it...?

Dove - posted on 11/02/2016

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No... not everyone w/ an open profile is a troll. You are the one bringing up the fact that Jodi's profile is not open and making assumptions based on that... I was simply pointing out that many people have a very legitimate reason for having a secret profile and it isn't due to trolling.... it's due to common sense and awareness of what is on the internet.

You will note I am talking about BELIEF... We BELIEVE it is assault/abuse (though I don't think 'real' spanking is necessarily abuse... I just don't think it's worth the risk anymore). What the law says and what is morally right are not always the same thing.

And Jodi (who is completely against all spanking... unlike my slightly altered view) isn't American.

Chris - posted on 11/02/2016

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So if I understand your reasoning, all persons who have their profile open to all be trolls?
Vu the biggest quantity of members in all communities having a profile open, there is much troll on the website.
You are American, in your country spanking as punishment is permitted. If really a spanking was child abuse, do you think it would be prohibited?
There is a video on Youtube where a teenager of 15 years stopped by police, asked a policeman if she is entitled to receive a spanking by her parents back home. He replied that yes, she is entitled to receive a spanking by parents. In every way, she feared his reaction seen an affirmative answer she knew in advance the answer.
Brief if a cop give the permission to spank a teenager, it's certainly no an assault child. And apparently she was afraid of her future spanking, seen these tears.
You say that spanking is child abuse. I wonder when it would compare to the true abused children with more serious things

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