Has anyone else had troubles with their bubs at 4 months? My little boy just got his vaccination jab two days ago and he has been off ever since. He had a mild temp which came down with some panadol but his naps and night time sleeps have been shocking! I'm wondering if there is a link between poor sleeping and immunizations, or if it's just the 4 month baby sleep stage problem I've heard of

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Hi Kristy, Our daughter stopped sleeping well at 4 months, and it lasted until around recently (5 1/2 months). She got her first two teeth early which disrupted her sleep and then she never quite went back to her old sleeping patterns. I have heard many other moms mention a change at 4 months.

And about the vaccine debate, it is so polarized and it is up to each parent to decide what is right for their child. And it is not all or nothing, either. If you read Dr. Sear's The Vaccine Book, he advises alternative schedules, spacing them out and/or vaccinating selectively. We've only done 1 or 2 at a time, with a homeopathic remedy afterwards and our daughter has been fine. I think it's important not to judge other parents decisions, especially if they've done their homework, because it is an emotionally charged topic and there is no one right answer.

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My daughter has settled herself to sleep and slept through the nights and had three to four naps a day until the morning that she got her injection. Two weeks of nightmare, she just cannot fall asleep, stay asleep and she is exhausted. I manage to rock her to sleep but it takes me up to an hour. Definitely cause of her injections, this can't happen over night to a child. I'm wondering how much longer!!! sight..............

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Quoting Nicole:

Kristy,
YES!!! My little guy was an dream baby until about 14-15 weeks and he now wont settle at night, wakes and seems to be getting distressed in the late afternoon also. I dont know what it is, I have been trying to structure his day sleeps more in hope to settle him down....and I have put off his vaccinations for another week to try to sort this out before adding to the problem. - so I guess what I'm saying is, his unsettledness is not due to vaccination.....


It's really hard to say that it's not related.  If many babies are vaccinated around this age and then have trouble sleeping -- it sure could be related.  My DD did NOT go through this at that age, in fact her sleep improved then.  She has not been vaccinated.  Especially with the OP's child's fever, I would say that it IS a reaction to vaccines and is probably happening to most everyone's baby.

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you know i got to thinking about how most doctors say to just give some tylenol after the vaccine. and i know some doctors even recommend tylenol before the vaccine.



so i looked into it and found this!!!



http://www.newtreatments.org/Sulfur/ga/2...

"Dr. Rosemary Waring's research shows that the lack of sulfate is the

primary problem in 73% of these children (another study found low

levels in 92%), but all of those Waring checked had a low PST level

too. Similar sulfate deficiencies have been reported in people with

migraine, rheumatoid arthritis, jaundice, and other allergic

conditions all of which are anecdotally reported as common in the

families of people with autism. Adequate sulfoxidation requires

adequate supplies of B-vitamins, especially vitamin B6. The PST

enzymes are inhibited or overloaded by chocolate, bananas, orange

juice, vanillin, and food colorants such as tartrazine. Removal of

these from the diet and supplementation of sulfates may well relieve

all these symptoms. The lack of sulfation could well be due to the

largely carbohydrate diet of most of these children. It is likely a

combination of all these things. In any case, toxic compounds of

these aforementioned chemicals can build to dangerous levels. A high

value for the tIAG (?) as well as a high reading for DHPPA (rather

HPHPA-a phenolic metabolite of tyrosine) both indicate a PST problem."



"Since sulfur intake is low, and its oxidation is slow in many

autistic children, sulfate is low, and PST activity is slower than it

would be otherwise. It would seem that this sub optimality of

sulphotransferase activity is a function of low plasma sulfate levels

rather than of deficits in the actual enzyme. Cellular level

enzymatic effects of mercury's binding with proteins include blockage

of sulfur oxidation processes and of the neurotransmitter amino

acids. These have been found to be significant factors in many

autistics. Thus, mercury, and any foodstuff that requires or uses up

sulfate ions during its metabolism, will make the situation worse.

These foodstuffs include foods that supply neurotransmitters, like

bananas (serotonin), chocolate (phenylethylamine), and cheese

(tyramine), apple juice (and one mother reports her child drank a

quart a day!), citrus fruit juices, and paracetamol (Tylenol™). For

instance, one or two minutes after a dose of Tylenol™, the entire

supply of sulfate in the liver is gone!"



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19210...



growing number of studies show that regular use of acetaminophen (paracetamol) carries a dose-dependent risk of developing allergies in general and asthma in particular and of worsening other respiratory diseases and lung function. The most disturbing finding has come from the population-based Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents and Children, in which use of paracetamol-but not aspirin-in late pregnancy was positively associated with asthma when comparing children whose mothers took paracetamol "sometimes" and "most days/daily" with those whose mothers never took it. Assuming a causal relationship, the percentage of asthma attributable to paracetamol use in late pregnancy was 7%. In this review, we present data from the most important studies published since 2000. Although the pathophysiology remains unclear, the available data justify a warning to the general public that the uncritical use of over-the-counter acetaminophen can lead to the development of allergies and asthma, even in utero."



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15706...



"The prevalence of asthma has increased worldwide. The reasons for this rise remain unclear. Various studies have reported an association between acetaminophen, a widely used analgesic, and diagnosed asthma. In a prospective cohort study, the rate of newly diagnosed asthma was 63% higher among frequent acetaminophen users than nonusers in multivariate analyses. Studies of patients with asthma suggest that acetaminophen challenge can precipitate a decline in FEV(1) > 15% among sensitive individuals. This article reviews the existing literature and evaluates the epidemiologic and pathophysiologic evidence underlying a possible link between acetaminophen and asthma."



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12911...



INTRODUCTION: A link between regular paracetamol intake and asthma in adults has recently been postulated. Detoxification of paracetamol may deplete stores of glutathione, which is one of the major antioxidants present in the lung. A reduced source of glutathione in the lung may lead to increased oxidative damage to the epithelium and hence increased frequency and severity of asthma attacks in susceptible individuals. AIM OF STUDY: This study aimed to determine whether regular intake of maximum therapeutic doses of paracetamol reduced serum antioxidant capacity in healthy volunteers. METHODS: Fifteen young healthy volunteers (nine men, six women, mean age 21.3 years, range 19-32) took maximum therapeutic doses of paracetamol (1 g four times a day) for 14 days. On days 0 and 14 blood samples were taken at baseline and hourly for a period of 4 h following ingestion of 1 g paracetamol. Single venous blood samples were collected 1 h after ingestion of 1 g paracetamol on days 4, 7 and 10. Blood samples were analysed for serum paracetamol concentration and total antioxidant capacity. RESULTS: Mean total antioxidant capacity was significantly reduced over the 3-h post-dosing on both days 0 and 14 (P < 0.01). The results from days 4, 7 and 10 showed a trend towards reduced antioxidant activity over time. On day 14 values were consistently lower compared with the corresponding times on day 0 (P < 0.01 at 0, 1, 3 and 4 h, P < 0.05 at 2 h). CONCLUSIONS: Chronic ingestion of maximum therapeutic doses of paracetamol depletes serum antioxidant capacity in healthy volunteers in as few as 14 days, possibly by a reduction in glutathione. This may have implications for analgesic use in asthmatic individuals. Further studies are now required to assess the impact of paracetamol on antioxidant defences in the lung.



Tylenol is known to deplete glutathione, (this is why an overdose will kill you-it exhausts the body's supply of glutathione, and the liver can no longer excrete it) which my son's metabolic profile did show that he was deficient in. Glutathione is the body's "master antioxidant" and is essential for eliminating toxins, including mercury, from the body. Studies are showing that many autistic kids are deficient in glutathione, and also have abnormalities with sulfation.



http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0...



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11568...



BACKGROUND: The inflammatory cells documented in chronic otitis media with effusion (OME) spontaneously release oxidants which can induce middle ear (ME) epithelial cell damage. Glutathione (GSH), a major extracellular antioxidant in humans, plays a central role in antioxidant defense. PURPOSE: To evaluate the effects of GSH treatment on chronic otitis media with effusion (OME). SUBJECTS AND INTERVENTION: Sixty children with chronic OME were enrolled, 30 of whom were randomly assigned to the treatment group and 30 to the placebo group. Patients in the treatment group received 600 mg glutathione in 4 mL saline per day subdivided into five 2-minute administrations given by nasal aerosol every 3 or 4 waking hours for 2 weeks. Patients in the control group received 4 mL saline per day following the same procedure as for GSH treatment. RESULTS: Three months after therapy improvement had occurred in 66.6% of patients in the GSH-treated group and in 8% of the control subjects (P

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Some babies are a bit unsettled after vaccinations. Everytime my toddler has had vaccinations she has sometimes been unsettled/grumpy for up to a month. So lots of TLC and you little one will be fine before you know it.

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Guggie - posted on 06/21/2009

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http://www.mothering.com/discussions/sho...



"Oh you wouldn't believe this but guess what. I just found out the liquid vitamins my son has been on (since 2 months old I Think... he is 18 months now) has SODIUM BENZOATE in it! yep - I guss its one of the preservatives. the vitamins were prescribed only because he was breastfed, and it was for vitamin D (although I noticed it also had a lot of B vitamins in it - no iron) . When I read that, I remembered our discussion. If this preservative really IS causing problems in some kids, then tylenol is probably the tip of the iceberg or maybe not as big of a problem as thought, considering some kids are getting a dose every day (in their vitamins!) so maybe the bigger picture is the vitamins or a source bigger than tylenol.>>>>>>>>>>



Sodium benzoate is awful stuff, no doubt. Mix it with Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) and you get BENZENE, a known carcinogen.



http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/benzdata.h...



It really pays to read those labels, and be educated about what goes into your kids' bodies, because the FDA sure ain't looking out for them."

Guggie - posted on 06/21/2009

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Even the AAP begrudgingly admits they might have been wrong about food dyes wrt to behavior problems...



...A recent metaanalysis

of 15 trials concludes that there is “accumulating evidence

that neurobehavioral toxicity may characterize a variety of widely

distributed chemicals.” Some children may be more sensitive to

the effects of these chemicals, and the authors suggest there is a

need to better identify responders. In real life, practitioners faced

with hyperactive preschoolers have a reasonable option to offer

parents. For the child without a medical, emotional, or environmental

etiology of ADHD behaviors, a trial of a preservative-free,

food coloring–free diet is a reasonable intervention.



Although quite complicated, this was a carefully conducted

study in which the investigators went to great lengths to eliminate

bias and to rigorously measure outcomes. The results are

hard to follow and somewhat inconsistent. For many of the

assessments there were small but statistically significant differences

of measured behaviors in children who consumed the

food additives compared with those who did not. In each case

increased hyperactive behaviors were associated with consuming

the additives. For those comparisons in which no statistically

significant differences were found, there was a trend for more

hyperactive behaviors associated with the food additive drink

in virtually every assessment. Thus, the overall findings of the

study are clear and require that even we skeptics, who have long

doubted parental claims of the effects of various foods on the

behavior of their children, admit we might have been wrong."



http://www.feingold.org/Research/PDFstud...



http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/6...



Researchers may have discovered a new way to monitor mitochondrial diseases, a spectrum of disorders caused by genetic errors in mitochondria, the fuel-burning factories within cells that produce energy necessary for life. A new study reveals that people with these diseases may be deficient in glutathione, a toxin-fighting molecule made by the body that helps repair damage wrought by wayward mitochondria.



"We found very clearly that the glutathione levels were low in our mitochondrial disease patients," says Gregory Enns, a pediatrician and geneticist at Stanford University in Palo Alto, Calif. and coauthor of the study published this week in the online edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. By measuring blood levels of glutathione, researchers may be able to assess the severity of a patient's disease and gauge how well therapies are working, Enns notes.



Mitochondrial diseases stem from gene defects in the cells' mitochondria, which convert energy from food into energy the body can use. These genetic errors lead to the production of dysfunctional proteins that spew toxins into the cells. "It's a little bit like a car engine; if it doesn't work well, it produces smoke," Enns says. In mitochondrial diseases, that "smoke" consists of free radicals—unstable molecules such as hydrogen peroxide that damage the cell's DNA, proteins, and lipids (fats), preventing them from functioning properly and causing them to die prematurely.



Scientists have identified over three dozen types of mitochondrial diseases, and the symptoms vary widely depending on which organ or organs, such as the heart, brain and liver, are affected. Newborns with the diseases can suffer seizures and lethal organ failure in the first few days of life, while other patients manage to make it into their 40s and even 50s before experiencing more benign symptoms such as weakness and inability to do physical activity. The severity of these disorders vary immensely, making it difficult to generalize how many years are knocked off the average patient's lifespan, Enns notes. Among the most famous cases of mitochondrial disease: nine-year-old Hannah Poling, whose mitochondrial disorder caused autism-like symptoms that were exacerbated by routine childhood vaccinations.



Mitochondrial diseases affect about one in every 8,500 adults in the U.S. (0.1 percent of the population), and doctors often treat them with cocktails of antioxidants including vitamin C and vitamin E that are believed to combat free radical damage caused by the disease, according to Enns. One key problem, he notes, is that doctors don't really understand how these antioxidants work -- or how effective they are in staving off symptoms in the long run.



In their study, Enns and his colleagues compared blood samples taken from 20 patients with mitochondrial disease ages two to 36 with those of 20 healthy patients ages 25 to 47. Levels of glutathione, a molecule the body makes to combat free radical damage, in the white blood cells of the diseased patients were 20 to 25 percent lower than those in the healthy crew, indicating that the body's ability to fight free radical damage was compromised, according to first author Kondala Atkuri, a biochemist at Stanford.



This study suggests that glutathione blood levels might serve as a good indicator of how large a toll these diseases are taking on the body, which could come in handy in drug trials, Enns says. "Before we can give drugs to patients in a clinical trial," he says, "we need to establish the biomarkers [such as glutathione] to see if treatments are working."



I've also learned that autism rates are much higher in those with Down Syndrome. Possibly because they are already deficient in glutathione due to their genetic makeup.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19067...



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17410...



http://www.gotdownsyndrome.net/glutathio...

Kate - posted on 06/19/2009

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Quoting Nicole:

Kristy,
YES!!! My little guy was an dream baby until about 14-15 weeks and he now wont settle at night, wakes and seems to be getting distressed in the late afternoon also. I dont know what it is, I have been trying to structure his day sleeps more in hope to settle him down....and I have put off his vaccinations for another week to try to sort this out before adding to the problem. - so I guess what I'm saying is, his unsettledness is not due to vaccination.....


It's really hard to say that it's not related.  If many babies are vaccinated around this age and then have trouble sleeping -- it sure could be related.  My DD did NOT go through this at that age, in fact her sleep improved then.  She has not been vaccinated.  Especially with the OP's child's fever, I would say that it IS a reaction to vaccines and is probably happening to most everyone's baby.

Kate - posted on 06/18/2009

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Quoting Nicole:

Kristy,
YES!!! My little guy was an dream baby until about 14-15 weeks and he now wont settle at night, wakes and seems to be getting distressed in the late afternoon also. I dont know what it is, I have been trying to structure his day sleeps more in hope to settle him down....and I have put off his vaccinations for another week to try to sort this out before adding to the problem. - so I guess what I'm saying is, his unsettledness is not due to vaccination.....


It's really hard to say that it's not related.  If many babies are vaccinated around this age and then have trouble sleeping -- it sure could be related.  My DD did NOT go through this at that age, in fact her sleep improved then.  She has not been vaccinated.  Especially with the OP's child's fever, I would say that it IS a reaction to vaccines and is probably happening to most everyone's baby.

Kate - posted on 06/18/2009

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Quoting Nicole:

Kristy,
YES!!! My little guy was an dream baby until about 14-15 weeks and he now wont settle at night, wakes and seems to be getting distressed in the late afternoon also. I dont know what it is, I have been trying to structure his day sleeps more in hope to settle him down....and I have put off his vaccinations for another week to try to sort this out before adding to the problem. - so I guess what I'm saying is, his unsettledness is not due to vaccination.....


It's really hard to say that it's not related.  If many babies are vaccinated around this age and then have trouble sleeping -- it sure could be related.  My DD did NOT go through this at that age, in fact her sleep improved then.  She has not been vaccinated.  Especially with the OP's child's fever, I would say that it IS a reaction to vaccines and is probably happening to most everyone's baby.

Kate - posted on 06/18/2009

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Quoting Kylee:

Vaccinations are so important. There is currently a Whopping Cough epidemic where I live on the Central Coast in NSW Australia. These outbreaks occur when people decide not to vaccinate their children.


Nope, sorry, false.  Most of the outbreaks currently occurring are in the most highly vaccinated communities.  Areas with lower rates are also seeing lower rates of outbreaks.



Vaccinations ARE dangerous, death is a side effect for EVERY vaccine.  Fever/fussiness/sleeping problems may not seem very serious to you now, but that's because babies can't tell you how they really feel.  Those could just be signs of a worse problem that baby just can't express.



It is VERY important to read up on vaccines and diseases before making a decision.  You can always delay and start later, but you can NEVER take it back.



Just a few quick facts:



*Vaccines contain MSG (a known neurotoxin), neomycin, thimerosal (Hib, flu, varicella), live viruses (which can shed and therefore spread), and more (please see the "excipient list" on the CDC's website for a complete list).



*Vaccine reactions are highly underreported -- about 1% of all reactions are ever reported



*Many doctors are not familiar with vaccine ingredients or side effects, and will refuse to believe that vaccines can cause reactions.



*The blood-brain barrier is not complete until age 2, meaning that any vaccines can cross into the brain and potentially cause neurological damage in susceptible children.  Unfortunately, no one knows who is susceptible until it is too late.



There's a lot more -- but please read for yourselves.  CDC's excipient list, VAERS reactions stats, and WHO's breakdown of each disease and vaccine are great places to start.

Donna - posted on 06/18/2009

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I have been told that the peak time for reactions is 2 WEEKS AFTER vaccinations for your immune system. After this timeframe some will say its not the immunisation causing a reaction so if the child is unwell it is unrelated. Most viruses & illnesses have an incubation period before any visible symptoms show or are sometimes even felt, so this does make sense. As a result, not as many reactions are recorded medically. My little boy was totally restless both while asleep & trying to feed (threatening breastfeeding) after his first immunisations. We did some research & got some medical advice & stopped his immunisation shots. Our new born daughter isn't being immunised at this stage either. We will have her tested for compatibility before having it done around 2 years old as we don't want to risk going through that again.

Nicole - posted on 06/18/2009

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Kristy,

YES!!! My little guy was an dream baby until about 14-15 weeks and he now wont settle at night, wakes and seems to be getting distressed in the late afternoon also. I dont know what it is, I have been trying to structure his day sleeps more in hope to settle him down....and I have put off his vaccinations for another week to try to sort this out before adding to the problem. - so I guess what I'm saying is, his unsettledness is not due to vaccination.....

CJ - posted on 06/17/2009

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My baby has been having trouble with her sleeping for the past couple weeks. She just got her shots today, and has slept more than I've seen her in weeks. So It may just be the age.

Tara - posted on 06/17/2009

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It's likely his immunization. My daughter had a little bit of a temperature after all her shots, a little achy around the injection site as well. She slept really well after her first set of shots at 2 months, but was fussy for a bit after her 4 month shots. She's slept really well after the rest of her shots, especially once I gave her a little baby Tylenol when her temp went up after the shots.

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I found with both my children, their sleeping was affected when they were immunised. They'd usually have a big sleep soon afterwards, then up most of the night. But they got back into their usual routine after a couple of days. I had terrible sleepers till about 8 months, so I'm probably not much help.

Mari - posted on 06/17/2009

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I have the same problem now for 2 weeks, but never thought it could from the needles. my question, baby only sleeps 2 hoours I got some helpfull hints. my baby didnt get a fever, but gave him panadol in any case cause he was grumpy.

one of the ladies rreplied that babies do have a stage between 4 and 6 months that they sleep badly.

just keep with the same routine, change small things to see if it might work. swaddling helped me last night baby woke up only 3 times instead of 8.

hang in there it will pass,.

Guggie - posted on 06/17/2009

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Here is the vaccine insert, the brochure from the manufacturer that comes w/ the DTaP:

http://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?d...

If you are in the UK, here is the one use there:
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_ped...

Here is the UK HepA insert:
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_hav...

If your doctor does not let you see and read the inserts before vaccinating, you do have the right to demand to see them. And you have the right to hire a doctor who will let you make an informed choice.

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it is a normal reaction to vaccines.
vaccines are definitely the choice of the parent but all those terrible diseases (polio, smallpox etc) ARE still around, it's just that we are now widely vaccinated against them in developed countries so you don't see them often...
i was chatting to a woman born in africa who had polio but her severe health problems weren't diagnosed until she emigrated to australia as a child, and she thinks that the only people who wouldn't vaccinate their children are the ones who haven't seen widespread epidemic.....

Elise - posted on 06/17/2009

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vaccines can cause fussiness. if it lasts more than 48 hours you should contact your pediatrician.

Guggie - posted on 06/17/2009

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Hi, as a vaccine survivor, the only thing I would recommend is giving him a.a. to intestinal intolerance and carefully observing him. All I had for the infant vaccinations were fevers, crying and head banging. It wasn't until my toddler vaccines that I finally hit intolerance and was hospitalized for epileptic seizures among other complications. It takes time and repeated exposure to develop dangerous symptoms for most children.



You have a tough decision to make and I don't envy you. An initial response means each subsequent vaccine for your individual child could result in an allergic reaction. This is true for any substance the body reacts to; repeated exposure typically leads to a life-threatening reaction.



This is definitely a decision you need to make through researching other related case histories and also working with your doctor to find out if it was the adjuvant (metals) or the manufacturing toxins (e.g. cow blood, unidentified dna material, preservatives and what not). That will let you know if you need to do chelation therapy or simply remove all related additives/preservatives/chemicals from his environment.



Good luck, Mama! I am sure you will find out what is bothering him soon enough!



Oh, and if you are concerned that he is experiencing an effect from the metals, I would attempt to avoid the Tylenol as it can act as a binding toxin and damage his brain/kidneys/liver. You could try chamomilla for internal pain and arnica for soreness around the injection site.

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Probably the vaccinations. The site is painful for a surprisingly long time and their immune system is "working" on the new issues the vaccines introduce. Give him about 2 weeks and he'll most likely be good as new.

Ruth - posted on 01/20/2009

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of course! They just injected him with a bunch of diseases. His little body doesn't know what the heck is going on. Check out this website, http://www.thinktwice.com/stories2.htm it has a bunch of other people's experiences with vaccinations. Hopefully a poor sleep pattern is the only problem.

Helen - posted on 12/24/2008

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When a baby has an immunization it causes an immune response, so there immune system kicks into action and creates antibodies which can make them a little off colour for a couple of days. This is a normal immune response and means that the baby has responded well to the vaccination and is building up immunity.

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some kids have a reacshon to the vacs but its noyhing to worrie about it well soon past

Liz - posted on 12/24/2008

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My twins have had similar reactions to their shots. Their two month was the worst. It gets better as they go by. What I've started to do since then is after their shots, or even before the doctors is give them some tylonal. It helps them tremendously.

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The chances are small NOW a days because of vaccinations. Before they were in place a lot more people contracted these diseases and died of them. Gotta love the scientists and doctors who worked hard to find the causes and come up with solutions. They are on the rise again though (from my doctor's mouth so you'll have to ask your own doctors for their opinions) because a lot of parents are not vaccinating their children because of the scare tactics that so many use against them as well. It goes both ways. It is entirely a personal choice on the parents part! Telling a mom to rethink her decision is wrong, trying to scare her is wrong, every mom and dad out there is different. I feel bad for those that have had adverse reactions to vaccines but honestly those are just as rare, the slight fever and ache is much more common. This is why (at least here) after babies/toddlers/kids are given shots they are made to wait 15-30 minutes at Public Health to be sure they don't have one and we (parents) are also given a sheet of the signs to watch for in case the reaction doesn't happen quickly.
And yes my kids are all vaccinated, for some things they are not because it is a choice and you can ask to not get certain needles done. I did my research as well and we chose to do it.

Kristin - posted on 12/23/2008

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Our government and media use scare tactics, such as the threat of a dead child, to coerce us into giving a large number of vaccines very early in our children's lives. Before making such fearful statements, you should learn more about the odds of contracting these illnesses and the odds of dying from one if contracted. You will find these odds are actually quite small. Additionally, many children don't just have a fever following their vaccinations, but more serious side-effects. And, what if a child is brain damaged for the rest of his or her life from a vaccine. Perhaps the child would have been better off waiting until most of his/her brain development was complete. Why do we have to vaccinate so early with so many different viruses? I suppose if your child had a serious adverse reaction to a vaccine, you might consider doing research on vaccines. I hope that never happens to any of your children, but I do hope you learn more about the subject.

Jennifer - posted on 12/22/2008

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I agree with Katrina H. below, my son had a bad fever after his 4 month shots and was off for almost 2 weeks. I researched the Vaccines before he was born and didnt want to do any after all that i read, but my husband was against not getting the shots. You should redearch each vaccine individually like Katrina said you would be suprised to find out what is actually in those things. I have a friend who had four children and didnt give any of them any vaccines and they are fine. her oldest is 8 now. my son is due for his 9 month shots and we are debating huge on wether to do them or not. we did skip his 6 month shots and i know the dr will not be happy about that. but your the mom you decide you know whats best for your lil one. i just hate injecting and that nasty stuff into my baby and then having a fussy baby with a fever on my hands and not know what actually that icky stufff is doing to him. i do know it affects there liver big time from what a natural dr told me. good luck and best wishes to you and your lil one.

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I'd say it's most likely the vaccinations. Being around un-vaccinated kids I've never heard of the 4-month baby sleep stage problem. I have not vaccinated my daughter at all because of the wide range of side effects, high aluminum content, animal/aborted fetus content, and the fact that she stays home with me. No daycare. Also, I've had osteo-arthritis since I was six from getting the MMR vaccine. But, it's definitely a personal choice. To put in a viewpoint between the two extremes mentioned above, you may be able to work with your doctor and make a schedule that doesn't inject so many at once, or even cuts out any vaccines that aren't worth the risk, or haven't been adequately tested. Two that come to mind are rotavirus and varicella. Of course, it's up to you and if you research it may be a difficult decision, however you decide to do it. I do agree that you should report your baby's reaction to VAERS, though.

Kimberly - posted on 12/22/2008

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My daughter had her 4month shots last week and she was TERRIBLE!!!! She had no problem whatsoever with the 2month needles, but these ones she lost her appetite and would not settle. It was heartbreaking that even Mommy trying to comfort her didn't help. It only lasted 3 days, but still...not looking forward to the 6 monther vaccinations.

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I totally agree with Kylee, Vaccines are very important, back in the days when they didnt have vaccines people were dying of things like polio, whooping cough, rubella. Those things are a little worse then your child beoing off for a few days i think!

Kylee - posted on 12/21/2008

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My little girl also recently had her 4 month needles. Luckily she didn't get a fever this time although she did with her 2 month ones but was a bit grumpy which is to be expected but she still had her appetite. As for nap times she has always been inconsistent. However I totally disagree with Olesja. Vaccinations are so important. There is currently a Whopping Cough epidemic where I live on the Central Coast in NSW Australia. These outbreaks occur when people decide not to vaccinate their children. It was recommended here that both parents and grandparents get boaster shots for Whooping Cough which we have all done. The side effects are no where near as severe as the actual illnesses.

Katrina - posted on 12/21/2008

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I agree with Olesja with her info. above. We have not had the vaccines for our children for this very fact. The bad affects of Vaccinations are very under reported. It would be very well if people began to research these things for themselves. There are several good books out about this subject. Find out the pros and cons of each vaccine individually. Then decide based on the information and knowledge you gained. You have a right to say no to the vaccines and there are doctors out there who will support you in your decision. Many Blessings to you and your little one!

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I specifically remember that after the 4 month shots both of mine were off for a few days. Very sleepy, didn't eat alot and pretty cranky. If it last more than three days, I'd check back with their doctor.

Olesja - posted on 12/21/2008

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You might also want to consider reporting his reaction to VAERS http://vaers.hhs.gov/
Vaccine reactions are highly under-reported and this makes them seem more save than they actually are.

Olesja - posted on 12/21/2008

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It is most definitely a vaccine reaction. You might want to read up more on vaccines and rethink if they are truly necessary for your child. There are many risks associated with them, from minor reactions like rash and fever, up to much worse reactions like permanent illnesses, brain damage and even death. http://vaccineriskawareness.com/ is one place to read more about them, out of many on the net. Get informed before you vaccinate!

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it is probably his immunizations and also just him growing can be painful. what doctors have recomended is giving tylanol and just just some tlc. patterns will start forming soon!

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My bub was off for about 3 or 4 days after his 2 month needles, he even started startling really bad but that went away after a week or so, give your bub another few days and if she still hasnt changed and ur worried take her back to the docs, but im sure shes fine, the doc told me my bub could have been a little traumatised from it and thats why he started startling

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It's probably his immunization. Some babies get a fever (as you mentioned) and are really achy after wards. It's normal. It's probably the area being sore that's interrupting his sleep. If there was going to be any really adverse reaction it would have happened by now but the achiness and little bit of fever could last up to two weeks.

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