Has anyone ever heard of a baby crying so hard that he or she passes out?
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Katherine - posted on 07/21/2010
You're absolutely right , Katie. As an Admin, I should remain unbiased and offer advise. The fact that she was letting newborns cry until they"passed" out from lack of oxygen or pure exhaustion is very bothersome to me. It was a knee jerk reaction because I am hard core anti CIO. It was my opinion and should be taken that way and not as a personal attack. Either way I should have kept my opinion to myself. Thanks for pointing that out.
Crissy - posted on 07/20/2010
there is a difference in crying yourself to sleep, crying so hard that you dont breathe and crying so hard you colapse.. if you kid is just crying like normal and wont stop thats one thing but you will notice if you kid gets hurt or soething they will get the kind of cry that is silent until it builds inot horrible screams where theyre screaming so hard they arent pausing to breathe.. those are the ones you need to really watch for.. crying is normal.. i think its crazy to refuse to comfort a newborn for fear of spoiling, however there is a point where your kid is crying and you should let them just cry it out (think about a temper tantrum- giving in would be bad) but if they arent breathing inbetween screams you need to try and work him down.. my son first did this when he was about a year old, we tried everything to calm him down so he would take a breath but we couldnt and he passed out we took him to the doctor and they old us not to worry about it.. when he turned 2 he started doing it regularly he would get so emotional about nothing he would cry so hard that he didnt take breaths and then he would turn purple until he just stoped but he still didnt breathe he would just go limp like a doll his eyes would just kind of clock out like his eyes were open but nobody was there and then he would completely pass out and i would have to physically have to wake him up by pounding on his chest to make his lungs go (its the only way he would wake up) he did not wake up on his own or restart his breathing.. (you cannot just ignore a kid who isnt breathing because you dont want to spoil them - that woman is nuts for giving you that advice)i took him to the doctor again (this happened about 10 times in 2mos) they thought he might have lung issues, so we saw a pulmonolagist(sp?) it wasnt his lungs. they gave him a EKG to check for heart deffects, they gave him an EEG to check for seizures and have no idea what caused it other than he was just so upset that he didnt get time to breathe.. with my son what we do is when we see him getting upset we calm him down before he gets to the point where he forgets to breathe if he gets to that point blow in his mouth as hard as you can while hes screaming (not like cpr but just to shock him so he gasps for air) if he passes out wake him up right away..im still looking into what could be causing this for my son but we are looking everywhere and cant figure it out
Kimberly - posted on 07/20/2010
Yes, it is possible...especially if they are stressed. It is so important to hold and cuddle him when he cries. A baby cries for a REASON and they have no other way to communicate with us. It is NOT possible to spoil a baby, however...forcing independence on a baby by not responding to their cries can have lasting effects, particularly on their brain development. Babies/toddlers/children NEED the security of their parents. It's not a want nor it is spoiling them, it is a REAL NEED.
Stephanie - posted on 07/20/2010
I do not believe in the 'Cry it out' thing. I would never ever just let him sit and cry. I couldn't stand for him to cry like that. It literally just happened so fast. The dr seems to think that it is normal. They pass out so that they will start breathing again on their own. He said it isn't harmful to the baby.
Just so everyone knows, he wasn't in his bed or anything like that. He goes to bed in his own bed with no problems and sleeps all night. He has done that since 6 weeks old..
Esme - posted on 07/20/2010
Hello everyone , the child in question is only 6 months old, there is no knowledge available to a 6 month old brain to make it have a temper tantrum. Also male infants can herniate extremely easily from crying, (it's called pressure build up) so leaving a male infant of six months to pass out is not recommended. I am re writing this because I got very annoyed at the thought of it, but there are legitimate cases of infants who pass out from crying, which should be under a pediatricians care and not just a GP.
No 6 month old has tantrums , the brain is not advanced enough to manupulate yet. PAIN and DISCOMFORT are the only triggers for a 6 month old to cry.
Hunger from not getting an extra bit of pablum in the bottle, Sore from not getting the diaper changed enough, Diaper so tight it cuts off the organs inside the body, Clothes too tight, headache from dehydration, Gas build up causing pain, .... the list continues. Seeing as infants are helpless , when they are in pain they cry , this is the signal for the parent to HELP that infant.
Not stand by , as that other parent did, and watch both her infant girls cry until hopeless, where was the father in this case? Is there no other adult around that is known to these people who can help them understand infants and toddlers. Does she know why she didn't have trouble with them coming to her bed... they're terrified of her!! Makes me wonder what happens to the poor things if they get their clothes dirty, or wet their pants.
If you are getting this information to just watch from a book , Burn it immediately.
And go back to the doctor, which should be a pediatrician at this point. IS he herniated? Better find out, ask.
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Stephanie - posted on 07/21/2010
Can just ask that we focus on the question at hand? I am worried about my child who got so upset in a matter of minutes that he passed out. And some of you guys are just bashing what other people are saying. I just wanted comfort that this situation was normal and I feel like it has started a huge debate. I don't want to read about who is a good parent or bad parent. I AM a good parent and I wanted advice while waiting for the doctor. I have since heard from the doctor and he assures me this is VERY normal and that my son is fine. It can happen more than once and that does not mean that I am not doing everything I can to console him.
I almost feel like people are saying that I was just letting him sit there by himself. His father was holding him trying to give him the bottle and he started getting upset and within 3 minutes he was passed out. He woke up after wards, ate his bottle and played with toys. I even slept in his room to make sure nothing else would happen during the night.
This is a site for positive reinforcement, not for bashing someone's parenting styles. I'm sure that like me, most parents follow the advise of their doctor on what and how to do things. Everyone has their own way and no one knows how to parent your child better than you.
Kathy - posted on 07/21/2010
Oh yes. It is a natural way for the brain to reset itself. Just like when a baby holds his/her breath, the brain will pass out to stop the behavior. Also some babies will cry til they vomit. It is something they all grow out of.
Michelle - posted on 07/21/2010
Yes ive heard of this and seen babies do it on utube. Also heard of older children doing it during tantrums, was told that if an older child is doing it to hold them down so they dont fall and let them pass out apparently it cant hurt them but thats older children usually after attention. I also read somewhere that hyserical crying can starve young babies brains of oxygen i guess that could lead to them passing out. Get bubs checked out but it probably isnt too much to worry about unless its happening all the time.
Katie - posted on 07/21/2010
I wasn't going to say anything but now I feel like I should. I could be wrong but I think what Kendra was trying to say that her kids would pass out as in be so tired of crying that they just fell asleep not what everyone else is saying...they cry and cry so hard their eyes roll in the back of their head and stop breathing kind of passing out. If I'm wrong then by all means she probably should go to an baby educational class but I think some of you were a little harsh on her. I totally believe in the CIO method. Its tough for sure but if my daughter is going to cry and cry for no reason of course I'll try and calm her down and if she doesn't she goes to her room and can stay there until she calms down (shes 20 months old). When my daughter was younger, 3ish months, she had colic and I felt so helpless because she was in pain and I didn't know what to do. I called the dr and the dr told me to just let her cry after I checked that she was full and clean. I was confused why she would say this if my daughter was in pain but in the end she was right I did absolutely everything I could to make sure she was clean/full and still she would cry and cry and cry. I don't pick my daughter up every time she wants up and she crys and crys. I don't want her to get use to me doing this because I can't all the time. I will of course do it sometimes but I'm a busy mom and don't have time to stop every 10 minutes to pick her up and try to do the dishes with one hand.
I hope that Kendra will come back on here and clarify what she meant in her first post. I also think that Katherine as an administrator over reacted. Sometimes comments can be misinterpreted and this may be the case. Don't be so fast to react because you could be totally wrong about Kendra.
Racheal - posted on 07/21/2010
My parents told me I did it when I was a child, Ive never experienced it myself with my children but they were told exactly what Karen told you, my mom went to the doctor and he told her to stop running to me every time I did it that let me just passout and I would automatically start to breath once I was out, and if she gave me attention for doing it then I would go it more often and may become dangerous if I did it too often so running to me was making it a bigger problem. My advice is go to your doctor or healthcare worker and ask questions.
*Lisa* - posted on 07/21/2010
Poor bubba! You must have been so freaked out! Eye rolling is scary! I hope the doc figures out and that it doesn't happen again. Good luck.
Ugh. Just to clarify, letting your baby scream so terribly that he/she 'passes out' or collapses from exhaustion is not part of the CIO method. That's neglect.
Renae - posted on 07/21/2010
Just one more thing... I dont want to alarm you at all so please do not worry yourself over what I am about to say. I just want to make sure that on the very small chance the behaviour you witnessed was a symptom of something that they dont miss it. I only mention this because you say that baby's eyes rolled back, just check with the doc that they are sure it wasn't some sort of seizure. Chances are it wasn't, but just make sure.
Renae - posted on 07/21/2010
Yes I have heard of it. Past generations of mothers were all told to use what is now classified as the "extinction" method of sleep training at 8 to 12 weeks. Control Crying was actually invented in the 70's out of increasing parental resistence to the extinction method. Basically the method is that you put the baby to bed at 7pm and leave them all night until 7am, no matter how long they cry for. In fact this happened to the majority of babies for decades. It was thought that babies need to be taught "acceptable behaviour". Control crying ("graduated extinction") was invented as a way of making the parents feel better because they got to check on their baby at timed intervals - but it did not make the babies feel any better, actually many studies show it makes them worse. Sorry for the tangent - but yes, then passing out from crying was very normal. These techniques are still used by many sleep consultants because it has an extremely high success rate and works in 3-6 nights. (Sorry more tangent...) :)
Brenda - posted on 07/21/2010
If you are doing all you can to comfort and this happens, you definately need to see the doctor. And don't let the doctor tell you it is "normal". I don't care what other say, there is nothing normal about a baby, or toddler even, passing out.
@Kendra You have got to be the most cruel and uncaring parent I have ever heard of. Why did you have children if you were going to treat them like that? That is pure abuse and neglect, especially as a newborn. Newborns have no wants, and cannot be spoiled. They have NEEDS and you basically taught your children that their needs didn't matter. If they are hateful, spiteful and apathetic teenagers, you should remember those times letting their little bodies go into stress hormone overload. Doing something like that VASTLY increases chances of ADD, ADHD, childhood anxiety and depression. I think I have never been so sickened reading a response in my time at COM.
Sarah - posted on 07/20/2010
when my son was 8wk old, he accidentally head butted my husband's chin when he was feeding him and got a fright and SCREAMED :( it was so awful he was inconsolable and screaming for 20-odd mins straight. he didn't have a bruise or red mark or bump or anything so instead of going to the hospital (it was 1am!) we called the nurse-on-call hotline... while my husband was on hold, my son went from screaming to passed out in my arms. it made me feel sick because i couldn't even wake him, i had to go and change his bum to wake him up. after that we took him straight to the hospital and waited 5hrs just to be told by the doctor that my bubba had tired himself out from crying and was fine. better to be safe than sorry though.
arghhh so scary!!! :(
Angela - posted on 07/20/2010
Yes my daughter used to cry so hard she would lose her breath and turn blue and pass out it was mainly during temper tantrums.
But if she was hurt she would do this I would blow in her face gently it would usually bring her around. It was super scary but she grew out of it Doc reassured us she would be fine.
Janie - posted on 07/20/2010
Babies can cry themselves to sleep or exhaustion. Often they cry when they are wet, hungry or need to burp because it's gas. If you make sure these things are in check, soothing a baby with rubbing it's tummy or back and singing or humming a tune can often reassure them they are being comforted without having to pick them up every time and it could take a long time before they stop, but it may be sooner than you expect to set them down at nap, or sleep time without you having to hold them for comfort. I had three and all were different, but all these things held true for all three, some it took longer, but it finally worked. A sister chose to hold them till they slept in her arms and she couldn't get them out of her bed till grade school.
Oh yes, I've heard of this. It usually happens to babies that are left to CIO, though. I don't know why your 6mth old did it, but I'm sure it was just a combination of being exhausted and in pain. At least you were holding him so he knew you were there to comfort him.
Amber - posted on 07/20/2010
I have been told by both my parents that I used to do it quite frequently from the time that I was around 6-9 months old until I was probably about 4 years old. It was my version of a temper tantrum, sometimes there would be crying and others there would just simply be the passing out part of it. However, when my daughter was around 3 months old she developed pneumonia from drafty windows that the landlord refused to fix and seal properly. The night that she was admitted to the hospital she had woken me up with these blood curdling screams and I was trying everything to get her to stop but I guess the illness was just to much for her to handle and she stopped breathing (on the verge of passing out) and I got really freaked out. I blew in her face really hard which kind of startled her and got her to start breathing again. She also stopped crying at that point. It could be some kind of a reaction to the needle that he got mixed with the pain of teething or it could just simply be something like what I was like and eventually out grew. I wish you luck with the situation and I personally would just keep a really close eye on him at least until after I got some kind of word back from your doctor.
Katherine - posted on 07/20/2010
@Kendra, you did WHAT???!!!!!!!!!! When they were newborns? That is abuse IMO. OMG, what is wrong with people today? A newborn you let cry so hard they passed out? That is cruel, you probably messed those babies up for the rest of their lives. Yes I am the administrator but that makes me SICK. I have a strong opinion of that.
Kendra - posted on 07/19/2010
Yes, Both of mine have done it when i refused to hold them or pick them up when they were new borns. I believe in cuddles and holding but I am not going to spoil you to the point where you expect to be held every waking hour of the day. So some nights during the "learning" process they cried and cried and cried until they just passed out. I would sit there and watch them and be in tears but we both had to learn.
they are now 2 and 1 and I have never had a problem with them sleeping in their own beds. lol
Karen - posted on 07/19/2010
i come across this quite often (i work in childcare)...the dr will most likely tell you it's nothing to worry about (once they pass out the body automatically takes over and regulates breathing again to normal) - it is something they will eventually outgrow, however, it's very common in the late 1-2 year olds because it's their way of having a tantrum/ trying to get their way...
Stephanie - posted on 07/19/2010
Yes. He had a weird week last week, he got his 6 month shots and he is also teething so he has been a little off his schedule with eating and naps. And I knew he was tired but we were trying to feed him before bed and he started crying and then it got worse and worse and he passed out. Like eyes rolled into the back of his head passed out. Really freaking scary but he seems to be ok. I'm waiting to hear back from the Dr's office
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