Having issues finding a supportive Pediatrician

Sarah - posted on 01/06/2016 ( 20 moms have responded )

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I live in Edmonton, AB - and have a 11 month old daughter. I admit I am quite "crunchy", I believe that any illness or issue should try to be solved first by natural, homeopathic methods before any sort of medical intervention is used. I do completely understand that sometimes modern medicine is necessary, and I do appreciate that but I just prefer trying other routes first. With that being said, I have yet to do any vaccinations on my daughter, that is not to say she never will, but I do not agree with the schedule set out, and there are some vaccinations I do not agree with at all.
I had an at home, water birth with a wonderful, supportive midwife, but once the 6 week postpartum check up was over I was overwhelmed by the drastic change in care for my daughter once switching to a pediatrician. I went through 3 different ones, all ignorant, extremely pushy, and disrespectful. So I began taking my daughter to a naturopath at our local birthing centre. I do really enjoy the care there, never rushed, never pushed, and of course she agrees with my way of thinking so its been great, however - insurance does not cover these types of practitioners so I paid 100.00 first visit, and 60.00 every visit after that.
Now, I am 10 weeks pregnant with baby number 2, and as much as I would love to continue seeing a naturopath, it just doesn't make sense to be spending so much money each visit, for two separate babies.
My hope is that I can find a pediatrician who will be more understanding, less judgmental and pushy. I completely understand that all pediatricians will recommend their views on medicine, vaccinations etc as that is there job, but there is a difference between recommending and forcing. Anyone have any suggestions?

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Sarah - posted on 01/06/2016

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When I was pregnant with my first child I interviewed pediatricians. This is a common practice in the US, as the pediatrician assumes the care of the infant shortly after delivery in most hospital settings. I don't see why you could not ask to meet with the doctor before you have your next baby or first baby needs to be seen. Ultimately, you get to decide whether or not your child will be vaccinated or take medication or start solids etc. The pediatrician will give his opinion and recommendations, if you choose not to follow the advice. That you have been to three different practices and found all three to be ignorant, pushy and disrespectful; makes me wonder if you would ever be content with a "traditional" physician. Maybe post on a more local site or a Facebook page in your area will produce some referrals of more laid back physicians.

Sarah - posted on 01/06/2016

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I too found my doctor thru work, I was a L&D nurse and we would meet the pediatricians most often at high risk deliveries. Sometimes a practice will have a website that outline the practice's mission and values. I have had four children reared thru the practice of one group of doctors. Some I love, others I avoid. Certainly the trend, IMO over the last 19 years as a parent, has been for even western medical practitioners to embrace both holistic and eastern philosophy in treating my kids. Have my kids been vaccinated, you bet. My choice and I did it on the schedule, but that was my choice.
I do have to point out one concern; there are infections like strep throat, that really should not go untreated. The risk of strep progressing even with the help of holistic options is high, and then you have a child with scarlet fever and potentially developing heart disease from the strep attacking the valves of the heart. A ten day course of antibiotics and a culture to be sure it is the correct antibiotics, IMO is a better choice than waiting to see if said child may fight the infection alone. Contrary to that, ear infections do not warrant antibiotic treatment and 80 percent will resolve without long term damage to the ear drum. Treating ear infections with antibiotic became a trend when parents need to get their kids back to daycare. Finding the balance and what is the best fit for your family is a challenge. You may find you are happier with a nurse practitioner or a physician's assistant than an MD. Also a DO (doctor of osteopathy) generally tend to look and healthcare from a more holistic point of view.
One final thing to keep in mind, is if your child is ill, be it a virus or bacterial infection, your able bodied child with a healthy immune system poses a risk to those who are in any way compromised; the elderly, the very young, the disabled and the chronically ill. The infection that may take your child a week or two to recover from, could prove fatal to another.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/06/2016

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Sarah, looking from your perspective, I can see how many people are hesitant about vaccinations. Unfortunately, that leads to less children having the protection they need. I do feel that it is due to lack of education directly from pediatrician/GP or any medical doctor. I know many take the time to actually discuss concerns with patients, and explain how they work, what they protect against, and different options for administering them ie breaking them up. I also know many do not. IF you are ever interested from hearing other mothers perspectives from varying backgrounds and real education (nurses, CNA's, and others with degrees on the topic) I encourage you to open a thread directly about vaccinations if you want that kind of exposure.

Yes definitely ask your Chiropractor. You can even call the local L&D ward and ask who they recommend for pediatricians. THat is how I found mine (who is incredible and I think he is exactly what you would look for) AND how I found my midwife. I wanted a VBAC, and there was very little options for me at the time.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/06/2016

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*sigh* Placing mod hat on

**MoD WaRnInG**

Please stop the in thread bickering or this thread will be shut down. We ALL have differing opinions on topics, let's continue to discuss them in a respectful adult manner, or I will be forced to close this thread to future comments. Lets play nice.

~WtCoM MoD LiTtLe MiSs~

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/06/2016

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Sarah, those are not the core vaccinations your daughter needs anyhow. They are not necessary, they are more of the optional vaccinations. I have gotten 1-2 flu vaccinations in my life. I HAD to get the varicella vax due to my academics requiring it. HPV I haven't decided on yet either for my children. It is the Polio, Rubella, Measles, Mumps, diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough THESE are the important ones. Having your daughter vaccinations spread out, or whatever is fine. Just getting them done is the most important part, especially since you are pregnant with your second.

Also, Shawnn is right. Vaccinations are a hot topic. For future posts, if you want to avoid a discussion concerning them, just eliminate the topic from your thread. This is an open forum, and everyone is free to comment on whichever post they would like.

Good luck finding what you are looking for!

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Sarah - posted on 01/06/2016

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Thanks LittleMiss - I've never thought about calling the L&D ward because I've never dealt with the hospital and I was worried anyone they may recommend won't be in line with what I am looking for. I do appreciate your respose.

Sarah - This was very helpful information, I didn't know seeing a DO was even an option - and I never thought to look at nurses. Thanks a ton!

Sarah - posted on 01/06/2016

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Wow...are you paying attention? Never did I say that you didn't agree with my looking for a better pediatrician.....lol I stated that I didn't care for your ignorant comments on vaccinations...so maybe we should both be paying a little more attention...do the adult thing right.

People can post whatever they want you're right. But so can I, and I won't censor my posts for people like you. Keep doing what you're doing - just know those types of comments just look childish, and fall on deaf ears.

All the best ShawnN

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 01/06/2016

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Never said I didn't agree with you choosing a pediatrician that you are not comfortable with, Ms. Higgs, and I would like you to copy and paste with quotations exactly where I DID disagree with you finding a pediatrician you are comfortable with.

As far as the spelling of people's names...It's only polite, and the 'adult' thing to do, when it's pointed out that you have incorrectly done so, to make sure you don't again. You needn't apologize, but at least be a friggin adult instead of acting like a pissy 2 year old.

Once again, I'll point out: INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC FORUM. This means you can't dictate who will respond, nor can you dictate how they will. If you don't want public responses, start a PRIVATE blog. This site is not a PRIVATE blog.

Sarah - posted on 01/06/2016

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Right, and I never once said that my daughter won't get those vaccinations - people like Shawn'N' just assume and jump to a ignorant comment. I mentioned there are some she won't get, but that I am doing a delayed schedule as I did not agree with the all the vaccinations before the age of one...but that is for a whole other topic.

Again, regardless of this being a hot topic, and an international site. People who post ignorant responses just sound silly and childish. Ultimately do they think their comments will actually change my views? Of course not, so why get involved something then? Just to stir the pot? Come on, we are grown women here, my post mentioned vaccinations, but it was not about them, and I will not censor my posts going forward for the women who are incapable of just passing on by when they see something they don't agree with.

Thank you again for your help.

Sarah - posted on 01/06/2016

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Thank you so much for the helpful, constructive comment!
I haven't thought about asking our Chiropractor - my daughter has seen one since she was weeks old so I will definitely ask him next time we visit!
As I mentioned in my original post - I understand that doctors are going to recommend vaccinations and medicine - of course that is there job. However there a difference between recommendations, and forcefully pushing these things. That's where my issues have been.
I am a firm believer of vitamins, diet, and exercise but unfortunately I have yet to hear any doctor tell me to increase my vitamin intake before recommending a medicine instead - and to me that just doesn't sit right. I understand that because I think this way, it will be hard to find a GD that does make sense for my family.
Ideally I would stick with our naturopath - it just doesn't make sense financially. Maybe I can look into my insurance plan and increase to another plan that may cover some of these costs.
Again, I appreciate the constructive comment on what I was truly asking for.

Sarah - posted on 01/06/2016

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Shawn - I don't care if there is a second N, take your comments elsewhere. Period.

LittleMiss - you're right, I was incorrect with my words, but the basis of my response was portrayed. Thanks for the correction of virus vs. bacterial infection. I agree - there are some nasty diseases that have been eliminated because of vaccinations - and my children will get most vaccinations. However chickenpox, influenza, HPV..and a couple others in my opinion do more harm than good, and my children will not get them.

As I mennioed earlier - I don't care if this is a "hot topic" - it's not what I was posting about so if you don't agree with my views, just move along because no comments about the subject will be listened to.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/06/2016

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Now on the flip side, I always support anyone to find a doctor that they are comfortable and compatible with. What I don't encourage, is someone who doesn't like modern medicine going to a medical doctor, and being surprised that they use medicine and encourage vaccinations. It sounds like you have found someone you trust in your Naturopath and should find another that can be covered by your insurance. OR, like I previously recommended, ask a midwife for suggestions about Medical Doctors they also use natural methods. If you use a Chiropractor, you might find some recommendations through them also. My GP for instance use to specialize in Chiropractic care for high risk pregnant women. I was elated when I had him for my GP during my very painful pregnancy. He helped me a lot.

Try to understand that Medical Doctors have a lot of knowledge, education, and experience with MANY people. What they don't need is someone who doesn't believe in medicine being a patient. Don't expect a medical doctor to seek out natural remedies (like homeopathic care) FIRST. I have never met a doctor that does not find benefit in vitamins, nutrition, exercise etc.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 01/06/2016

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Ms. Higgs:
Two things: 1) My name has two n's. Please pay attention
2) You're on an international site. Vaccinating or not, question about it or not, you mentioned a VERY hot button issue

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/06/2016

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Actually, you don't use antibiotics on viral infections, just bacterial infections. Antibiotics do not WORK at killing ANY virus. Antivirals like interferon work on viruses. BACTERIA is what is mutating with antibiotic overuse like MRSA. I don't disagree that there is an overuse of medicine, but usually that is also due to patients not being educated about disease, and how to properly use antibiotics and other medications.

Once again, there is a balance between medicine and nature. Vaccinations have eradicated many diseases that are NOW on the up rise because people are choosing not to vaccinate because people lack the education.

Sarah - posted on 01/06/2016

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Appreciate your notes "Little miss can't be wrong" ironic name...

Homeopathic remedies have actually saved my father from Crohn's when modern medicine could not. Medicine is so beyond overused, and abused - soon your trusted antibiotics will not work because viruses will have built immunity to beat them..and that's all because people do not trust their body, or the natural world around us.
So sorry, but I stand by natural methods because that is what has been proven to me. You keep doing what you're doing.

Sarah - posted on 01/06/2016

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Shawn - Two things:
1. I never stated that I wont do all vaccinations, but yes there are a few that I will not allow my children to get, and I do not need to explain myself to you.
2. This post was to seek advice for finding a more crunchy pediatrician, not about vaccinations. So your judgmental, ignorant comments can be sent elsewhere.

Sarah - posted on 01/06/2016

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Thank you for the advise Sarah - you're right I should probably try a local group. Thanks!

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/06/2016

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Please be advised this is an international site. The chances are very slim in finding anyone in your location that can recommend what you are looking for. I advise you to contact your previous midwife for recommendations. She may have a better idea.

BTW, homeopathic medicine is like dropping 1 aspirin in a lake, you drinking a cup, and thinking you got enough to help you with your headache. At best, it provides a placebo affect. I believe in a balance of natural remedies, and medicine, but I understand what is and isn't practical and helpful or dangerous. Dangerous is not vaccinating your child for very preventable diseases that can kill them.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 01/06/2016

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I get not doing them on schedule. I didn't either. But not at all?

Thank god mine are grown and therefore not potentially in danger of exposure to whatever yours will get.

The only one I refused was varicella. We did that the 'crunchy way', if you will by exposing and getting over it. The rest ARE necessary for continued healthy development Not only for your kids, but for the WORLD.

Places where they've allowed vaccinations to go by the wayside are experiencing upswings in those horrible diseases that were initially eradicated by vaccinations. Polio, TB, are just a couple.

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