HELP, I posted some questions in a post.

Vanessa - posted on 03/11/2014 ( 24 moms have responded )

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I posted some questions that were general questions to get a conversation started. I was warned to not solicit, which I didn't think I was but asked for clarification on what was not allowed. I was not trying to sell anything, rather give some advice and encouraging words. Can someone please help me to understand what I did wrong. Maybe this is not the Circle of Moms I would like to be apart of when encouragement is deemed negative and offensive. My post has been deleted and I cannot even find it!

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♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 03/11/2014

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Not to mention, I'm the one that flagged it for a mod's attention. I'm pretty lenient, so unless it DOES plug a for-profit venture, and if I recall correctly, you were plugging for profit, which is why I reported you.


ETA: These were the words included in your post (that I reported): "As we eat, I make money! Do you want to put money in your grocery stores bank account or do you want to reallocate those funds to your own bank account? I chose to reallocate to my own account and it has been the greatest decision I have ever made!"

That, my friend, is solicitation.

Jodi - posted on 03/12/2014

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It wasn't flagged prior to you promoting your facebook page. However, the way your post was worded was very much the way people try to get around the solicitation rules. You were warned that IF it was a solicitation, it would be deleted. Then you went ahead and promoted your facebook group. THEN it was deleted.

Michelle - posted on 03/11/2014

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I deleted it because it was flagged as solicitaion. Yes, you had included the facebook link and when I went to check it, it was a closed group so couldn't see what it was actually about. I deleted it because I couldn't verify what you said about not earning anything from it and a lot of facebook pages are set up to make money.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 03/11/2014

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Your deleted post was also not in the work from home community, which is where that belongs. (and also why the OTHER post was not deleted.)

Jodi - posted on 03/11/2014

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Vanessa, you plugged your facebook page on that thread. I can't get hold of that post now because it is deleted, but you, I and the moderator who deleted the thread all know you did. You talked about empowering, blah blah blah, and how you do this because you are passionate about it, not for the money. Um, yeah, but you DO also make money doing it.

I don't take any offence. Nothing personal. But your "hobby" also makes you profit.

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Vanessa - posted on 03/13/2014

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Thank you Jodi, your last answer was exactly what I was trying to understand.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/13/2014

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We are not paid to moderate, we take time out of our busy days to help run this site. If we see something inappropriate, whether it is personal attacks, soliciting, porn....we warn the user, delete the post, and sometimes we even have to block their account and report them to management to get permanently banned from the site. So arguing with you and explaining continously WHY your solicitation was removes is not helping with all the other issues that we are constantly addressing. Once again, if you posted a thread that will direct others away from this site to another social site, that is also considered a solicitation. Especially when it is promoting a business. If you make money off of it, it is indeed a business regardless if it is for self improvement.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/13/2014

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Sure sounds to me like you were answered numerous times. How about you take everything into consideration the next time you are about to solicit, and just don't do it instead of arguing the same thing over and over again. Your post was removed by a mod because they felt it was a solicitation. If you do not feel that it was, you can take it up with that person directly. It is not going to bring your post back, and you are clearly beating a dead horse. Time to move on and get over it. If you feel that it was a total injustice, then take it up with the community management team.

Vanessa - posted on 03/12/2014

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I understand what each of you are saying, no solicitation allowed. I can understand that in post #1 -working moms group where question was asked what moms do to work from home would of been flagged - along with other member posts.

Post #2 was a conversation between two moms offering support. It was not until I was warned to watch my words as I was told I was getting close to soliciting that I replied that I was not understanding what I was saying that was wrong and to go verify my intentions by looking at the Facebook page. I did not think at that time that listing my Facebook page was solicitation but now I can see that it can be mistaken as such.

The question that no one is still not answering is WHAT in post#2 was said, prior to the Facebook comment, that I was warned not to solicite? That is the question I have not seen one person answer. Many people talk about post #1 but not addressing my question.

I do not have a problem with your rules, I encourage them!

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/12/2014

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Actually Vanessa, you are arguing a moot point regardless. No THUMPS policy set in place by the creators of this site state soliciting of any sort is prohibited UNLESS in designated groups. ALSO, re-directing anyone from this site to another social site is prohibited. Sooooooooo.......that being said, you actually broke 2 of the rules, got a warning, AND had your post deleted for obvious reasons. Being new to the groups is great, this is a wonderful site. But as 2 other mods (make that 3, I myself am a mod also) have told you, the post you had violated the policies of this site. Arguing it is pointless. We have a TON of solicitors on this site daily that have to be dealt we. We don't care about the REASONS for the solicitation, because in EVERY posters minds they are important. Our members do NOT need to, or want to be bothered and constantly bombarded with solicitations.

This group is to meet other mothers, give and receive advice, and much more. Soliciting a product, jobs, or seeking employment is NOT this sites agenda. PERIOD.

Michelle - posted on 03/12/2014

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I myself have used facebook as a selling tool. I used to do party plan and had a page set up just to promote that business. If I had posted the link for that page here it would be soliciting.
You are very naive if you think facebook isn't used to promote businesses, take a good look and you will see many businesses using it. Even the big company I now work for uses it!!!! It's called social media and is a fantastic tool for getting your name out there without having to do much work.
Why would I want to go through the hassle of having to join a closed group to see if it violates our policies, I had already given you a nice warning and then it was flagged by others.
Simple solution is: DON'T post a link to your facebook group and DON'T word your posts that require people to contact you privately. They are the 2 major flags when we decide what is soliciting.

Jodi - posted on 03/11/2014

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Vanessa, if you start promoting closed Facebook pages, then yes, it is automatic to assume you are soliciting, ESPECIALLY if in other posts elsewhere on this site, you have clearly been drumming up business. You've heard the sayin "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...."? That.

You are trying to convince us that you NEVER discuss or promote your business in your closed Facebook group?

Sorry, I've been around too long to believe that.

Shawnn wasn't the only one who flagged it. I flagged it too. Michelle used her judgement to delete it - if she didn't think it was a solicitation she would have removed the flags and left it alone. So that is 3 people who believed it was a solicitation. It's a duck.

Vanessa - posted on 03/11/2014

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This group is closed because people provide private information that I respect their privacy to not air it to the world. You definitely could of requested to join, looked at it and than deleted yourself from the group later if you wished. I really do not know of any facebook pages that do make money, call me naive, so be it. I would like to know from you Michelle as to what you seen in my wording that was soliciting? Sure it was flagged, but not by yourself. So in deleting the post what exactly was I not allowed to say?

Vanessa - posted on 03/11/2014

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I appreciate you reply! I am so new to this I have no idea who the moderators are. I was warned by a Michelle and that is when I asked for clarification and explain to me what I was saying that was wrong.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 03/11/2014

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Ok, if it looks like a solicitation, and sounds like a solicitation, I flag it as a solicitation. Obviously, your post looked and sounded like a solicitation. Sinc I'm not a mod, I cannot access deleted posts. If you will contact the mod that contacted you, she can explain why she deleted it. Generally, when I was a mod, if I didn't see a need, I didn't delete the post.

I am not a mod now, nor was I the mod that deleted your post. As I said, it smelled like a solicitation, so I flagged it. Someone else made the decision to delete.

Vanessa - posted on 03/11/2014

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I'm sorry Shawnn, I'm not understanding your comment can you please explain further.

Yes the deleted post was not in the work from home community.

The comments that Jodi made ---"Vanessa, you plugged your facebook page on that thread. I can't get hold of that post now because it is deleted, but you, I and the moderator who deleted the thread all know you did. You talked about empowering, blah blah blah, and how you do this because you are passionate about it, not for the money. Um, yeah, but you DO also make money doing it.

I don't take any offence. Nothing personal. But your "hobby" also makes you profit." ----- is the post that was deleted. This is where I am talking that I do not make money off of this at all and was not pushing any business! I was talking about empowering this lady to see the good in her situations rather than focus on the negative. Again, Support, encouragement and hope. THATS IT

Vanessa - posted on 03/11/2014

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I think many people are very quick to judge without actually informing themselves. I DO NOT MAKE MONEY FROM EMPOWERING PEOPLE! And the wellbeing of every person is important, maybe not to you but to me it is. When you see a homeless person sitting on the side of the road do you put your nose in the air and turn the opposite way or will you go to the closest coffee shop and but him something to eat. That, "my friend", is caring for the wellbeing of everyone! No matter what stage of life people are in or how they look they are in need. Some do not have the ability to see life other than one dramatic event to another. But it is possible, I was there, and I had to make some serious changes in my life to live a more basic lifestyle. I did it and now I like to share with people it was possible because when I made the choice there was no one around me to encourage me and give me hope. THERE IS HOPE!

I would really like for someone to show me how I make a profit. I also asked on the deleted post for someone to clarify what it was that I said that was soliciting - "respectfully asking" is exactly what I said. I just wanted to know IN THAT POST WHAT WAS WRONG. No one has yet to tell me, and if it is only by your thoughts that you cannot imagine that a person can want to help others with nothing given back in return, then I will say that is very shallow of you.

Vanessa - posted on 03/11/2014

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Yes I did put a Facebook link. That is to my personal hobby of helping people. This Facebook page does not make me money AT ALL!! I will not ask or take money to help people!!! No matter what!!! I gave you the link for you to go and see what I post. Helpful tips and post to think positive. I started this Facebook group because people just don't understand that i want to help people without any gimmicks, selling, exchange of money etc. If I am asked for something specific I would refer them to a few options but I, me, myself do NOT do any of this a BUSINESS or with the intention to provide any income to myself. Not inside this Facebook group or in any part of my life!

Secondly. The other post I commented on which is NOT DELETED was a question asked by someone who was looking to work from home and looking for ideas. Other people clearly listed there business like feeder matrix or filling out surveys. I gave my honest answer not listing my "food" but said if someone was interested in more they could email me. Yes I do get rewards from eating food an I have no problem telling people that. But if you want to penalize me for that comment than why not for the people who said they make money from Jewelery for Candles "I'm actually making real money" or the lady who replaced her income as a manager from UPS "it may not be for you but worth taking a look at it". When I made this comment I was following why everyone else did and was not considerin it a problem. This whole post and comments I can see being deleted for the reason of soliciting. But then again it is in the group working at home moms - let's delete the whole group if we can't talk about what we do at home.


My deleted post, again, had nothing to do with my comment about my food that I consume that brings in a income.

Dove - posted on 03/11/2014

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Ah... well if Jodi is correct and I have no doubt that she is... your post would have violated the guidelines of this site. Sorry.

Vanessa - posted on 03/11/2014

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I do not have a business that promotes well being. I work as a financial coordinator. I do have a home base business that sells food. That post had NOTHING to do with food.

Yes helping other moms and giving advise from personal experience and positive thinking is what I like to do as a "hobby" if you want to label it as something.

If you take offense to my words than that is something you need to look into your heart as to why. I hope you find the peace and security in yourself that you are looking for.

Jodi - posted on 03/11/2014

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Your post was still about you making profit from it, whether your intention was to give advice or not. You were clearly fishing and promoting your "wellbeing" business. If you are only here for that purpose, rather than as a general mother giving advice that doesn't involve you promoting your own business, then yes, you probably are in the wrong place.

You can't find the post because it was reported and deleted.

Dove - posted on 03/11/2014

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Since your post has been deleted I'm not sure anyone can answer your question for you...

Read the pinned posts at the top of this page and as long as you aren't violating any of that... all should be good.

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