help with adhd

Amanda - posted on 01/24/2012 ( 75 moms have responded )

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I have my oldest son and my only daughter being diagnosed with adhd but i am not for sure the way to go with what kind of doctor and how to handle things my son is learning a little to control some of it but he seems to get upset with himself when he gets mad at others and my daughter is different I try to figure stuff out to make things better but it seems no matter what stuff is just getting worse with her

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Tracy - posted on 01/24/2012

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Hi Amanda,

I've been tutoring kids for over 30 years, a good percentage of them diagnosed with ADHD or with similar behaviors. I have a lot to say about this in fact way too much for purposes here. I can only tell you from my personal experience and observation over these many years that the only kids I could not make make 'lasting' progress with were those kids in abusive homes and those on psych meds. Progress was very limited and never lasting until they had been completely off of them for at least a week and sometimes longer before doing the program. I have had many parents decide to take their kids off meds and experience difficult and often horrible withdrawals that often took months with doctors insisting on more meds to ease this and ease that. All I can say is that I personally can only make progress with kids diagnosed with ADHD and similar behaviors when not on meds. I'm just a Tutor with a communication training program to assist in focus enhancement; I don't treat or use psychology based 'anything' but I do refer clients sometimes to alternative doctors that other doctors may call quacks, that other parents have gone to and were very happy with. I have found that in most cases - again per my own experience and observations - that with intensive parent and child communication training, the behaviors do change in a few weeks to a few months in every qualifying based what I've said. I can refer to other programs that use the same or similar communication training and I don't make any money by referring I assure you. I just hate seeing the med route when I know that there is non med help that works and most parents are told otherwise. I will get lots of boo's on this and that's okay. I have a responsibility to speak out and try to help.

Camilla - posted on 01/25/2012

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I have a similar problem with my daughters, i went for a second opinion and it came back as the same diagonisis, I have tried various natural remedies and have found that a diet rich in omega;s and low GI has helped. I have switched schools and but them into OT. I am now trying guided meditation to calm them and see if they are can learn coping skills for life. there are plenty of website that can assist you, the trick is finding the one to match your needs, good luck

Sherri - posted on 01/24/2012

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Go to a pediatric counselor. Here we had to go to a pediatric counselor to even get diagnosed and then had to remain with them for an extended period of time once they were diagnosed and on meds. They helped my son as well as the family deal with the diagnosis as well as the meds and side effects. How to cope better in school and at home.



They truly were a god send.

Fleur - posted on 01/31/2012

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I have been watching and reading books on health and food. Since we are what we eat and if you are not eating organic foods then pesticides have been on your food. These pesticides are not simply washed away. Food can trigger or cause health issues both mental and physical as mothers we know when we are pregnant the food we eat goes to our babies. So I urge all mothers to look at your diet, track what you eat and do this for a week or more to see if your diet might need to change to heal your bodies. Look at " Forks Over Knives(movie), Green for Life, youtube.com for Lou Corona's story, King Corn, and look online. Our food choices an cause our bodies to respond negatively. Just a thought.I have also worked with ADHD kids as an aide for 5 years. Good luck.

Julie - posted on 01/25/2012

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what I do with my boy/girl twins who both have ADHD in different forms is have them both on Intuniv. This is a non-stimulant that works with ADHD symptoms. Remember, medication only treats the symptoms & nothing more. Use a Visual Schedule. Cut out 2"x2" pictures of activities and a picture of an analog clock next to the picture. This works well for transition changes and changes in routines. Positive Behavior Supports works WONDERFUL for ADHD kiddos. Always catch the child doing good. For the negative, don;t yell, get frustrated, or mad. TEACH the child what the expectation is and catch them being good at it. It takes a long time working with this type of system, but, I know personally, it works. Do these things as you are waiting for a second opinion. Watch the food dyes Red #40 is a bad one for ADHD & wheats and glutens. By watching the intake of these and lowering if necessary, behaviors deescalate. And, always be consistent!

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Tracy - posted on 03/03/2012

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Darla, I have lived with kids with ADHD, autism and more. That's sort of what I do. I stay in the homes of kids with behavioral and learning problems and resolve it along with parent training. It's not that difficult. It's just that the pharmaceutical companies and psychiatric industry wants you to think there is no solution other than what they present, which brings them in billions along with our tax dollars. I suggest expanding the homework to natural, alternative practices that give a specific guaranteed result without the drugs. I have people all over the US that can help as well.

Angela Lynette - posted on 03/01/2012

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hi what do you mean greens that are not vegies please as my son too has adhd ,odd, thanku

Fleur - posted on 02/02/2012

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Hi, Lorri,

I use to work with kids that were ADHD diagnosed in the school by the school psychologist. Many of the kids were from broken homes, foster homes, a couple had other psychological problems. As a Special education aid, there were only 1 that was medicated that needed it,but now I think each case is different. There were also kids in the class that had emotional problems. I am reading a book called, Green for Life by Victoria Boutenko. There is so much about the human body and our diet that causes health problems. I think you might be interested to check it out. These disorders are caused by something in our body and she explains through research from experts at Harvard and around the world. Pretty interesting stuff. It has convinced me to started slowly adding greens that are not vegetables but different. They contain protein, fiber, and the nutrients to give us a better quality of life. I wish I would buy it for all my friends and family. I have one sister bipolar and my oldest has an autoimmune disorder where her body is attacking itself.

Amanda - posted on 02/02/2012

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it is hard sometimes with my two kids but my son I mean he is 8 years old now and was diagnosed with adhd at 3 he is really trying his hardest to be the best but it is hard for him sometimes i would like to be able to find something that could help him a little bit more. my daughter she is 4 now and was just diagnosed with it a few months ago there are days when she can be really good but it is seems like she has more bad days then good she is really hard to handle and it would be nice to get her started on something that could help her and make it a little easier on me I love all four of my kids dearly but it is hard sometimes

Lorri - posted on 02/02/2012

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I have a daughter who is 8 years old and was diagnosed with ADHD three years ago. She had been on meds for this time. I took her to her pediatrician and he referred her to a doctor who specializes with this. And it has been trying, but as she is getting older, it is gettin g better. She use to get really angry with herself when she could not figure out her math homework without help. And she would get really emotional.

The one thing I have learned over the years is, be patient. It can take alot out of you. I also have a daughter who is now 14 and she too was diagnosed with ADHD when she was 5 or 6. Now she no longer has to take meds for it and she is on the honor roll at school on her own merit. So it just takes time and patience.

I believe that a physician will have to refer you to a neuro-psychologist. They specialize with these kind of disorders in the brain. But if you can handle your children without the meds, cudos to you. And I wish you and your children all the best!!



Lorri

Fleur - posted on 02/01/2012

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Yeah, we stopped the soy milk and looking into the ingredients section for foods in the store. We have increased greens into our diet and green tea in the morning and afternoon.

Sherry - posted on 01/31/2012

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In my opinion I would not give my kids any soy products. Just have a look at all the information out there regarding the effects soy has on children. There are other natural products out there that I would recommend, which do not contain soy and are whole raw food that I give to my own children on a regular basis. They love it and I believe they are getting the best food on the planet.

Fleur - posted on 01/31/2012

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I am reading a book called Green for Life by Victoria Boutenko http://www.greensmoothielifestyle.com/gr...

I agree with the nutritionist. Food is somewhat of a cause of many problems but no one suspects it in the general public. She is Russian and has done research on foods we overlook. Greens are not vegetables like we think. Some like kale give us the nutrients we need. I have taken more kale in the last year and I have noticed my health improved. I have migraines and asthma. "We are what we eat." as the saying goes. Many mental and physical problems have been cured by greens. Eating a wide variety of them and how you prepare them. Smoothies are awesome.

Bonnie - posted on 01/30/2012

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I have always belived in avoiding those drugs no matter what they tell you! If you research them they are (in most cases) not tested for very long before they start testing them on children. The teachers used to try guilt tripping me into getting my oldest on drugs and I flat out refused. His behavior, while not perfect improves every year without the drug addiction and liver damaging side effects.

Diane - posted on 01/30/2012

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Kylie, You are right on about the mercury in the vaccinations. Adding a daily vitamin is also very helpful. Is your vitamin gluten free? My husband has been dealing with the wheat problem for 20 years.



Also be very aware of the type of vitamin your children are getting. When I first started this journey 20 years ago I thought a vitamin was a vitamin. But they are extremely different. There are 3 types of vitamins:

1. What you get a pharmacy is synthetic. In other words it is all manmade and has no enzymes. This is classified by the FDA as a drug.

2. The second type is called Natural Isolate. This usually from a health food store. They extract the c from and orange and you only get the extracted vitamin. They use heat during processing and that deserts enzymes. Also, they only have to be 15% natural to be classified as natural. The FDA classifies them as a drug.

3. Natural/Unaltered. These vitamins are classified as food by the FDA. They use a cold processing to preserve the enzyme activity. They use the whole orange, instead of extracting just the c out of it.



If you want to find out more about the last type of vitamin go to my last post and click on the links. I am not trying to get you to buy anything from me. They are not my links. I just find all of this so interesting. So much of our health problems can be managed by better nutrition and supplementation.

Daisy - posted on 01/30/2012

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I understand your problem and your concerns. However, I think that what you first and foremost do is communicate calmly with both of your children, since reactions most of the times come from the need of another to communicate. Despite being children, they are still human beings who need to say their concerns - especially to their mother... When you start meds for such conditions, your children get addicted and they are then on meds for life with many future side effects....

Give it a second thought....



another thing would be to go to an alternative med and receive some vitamins after they get blood tests!! There are so many such labs there!!!

Kylie - posted on 01/29/2012

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Sherri, I HAVE done my research. I don't usually post to these sites but feel very strongly about this issue. I am so glad that in your country they have taken mercury out of vaccinations - we are still fighting to have it happen in my country. Maybe you shouldn't assume that everyone lives in USA. My points were valid, as are everyone elses. Just trying to help Amanda by offering alternatives - of course each parent will decide what is best for their child. Perhaps we could keep this forum positive and helpful rather than being bitchy.

Diane - posted on 01/29/2012

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1. Here is an opinion from a nutritionist on what you need to look into. She knows better than I do what you should be looking for. This is a poor nutritional problem. Please don’t take offence when I say that as all mothers try to give their children proper nutrition. This is a food problem. We have had a decline in nutrition in our food crops since 1950. (A scientific Study- Source: David D, Epp M, Riordan H. Changes in USDA food composition data for 43 garden crops, 1950-1999. Journal of American College of Nutrition Vol. 23(6); 2004: 669-682.)



http://www.healthyfiles.com/DNN1/Desktop...



2. This site is to a Shaklee site, the #1 Natural Nutritional Company in the US. They have excellent natural children’s nutritional products that you might want to look through.



http://planningsuccess.myshaklee.com/us/...



3. They also have wonderful , all natural cleaning products. Please note this is not to my web site. This is a video that talks about what is under your kitchen sink. These cleaners are Oprah’s favorite and are used by Rachael Ray. The Basic Home cleaner Basic H2 is endorsed by Earth Day. So they have been around over 50 years and have a great reputation.

Excellent information.



http://images.shaklee.com/video/show.php...

Linda - posted on 01/29/2012

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PS - I have found that parents who set boundaries for their children and do not move those boundaries, the children know just what to do and what to expect if they don't follow through. IE: set a bedtime and stick to it. Set dinner time together and stick to it. Set dinner table and eating rules and stick to them. children thrive when they know what the boundaries are. As soon as the boundaries change (1 night they can go to bed later than usual), they act out until they can find their boundary again. It's never too late to set boundaries and stick to them. You will have happier confident kids.

Linda - posted on 01/29/2012

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Have you sought out a nutritionist? Much of ADHD is caused by artificial foods, sugars, dyes, processed foods with chemicals and too much carbohydrates. If you give your child only fresh unprocessed food (fresh fruit, fresh or frozen (not canned) vegetables, whole grain breads and cereals without added sugars, eggs, meat, baked or boiled potatoes or brown rice) you may see a HUGE change in your child's behavior. All processed food has added sugars, salt, chemicals, dyes that hinder the body and brain functions. Eliminate all things with artificial color and you will notice a huge change.

JEsse - posted on 01/29/2012

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medications do wonders once you find the right one that is it is a game of trial and error but what you find one tht works its life changing be patient and ask a lot of questions

Sherri - posted on 01/29/2012

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Kylie do your research Mercury is not included in any vaccination except the flu vacc and hasn't for many many years.

Kylie - posted on 01/29/2012

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Try a Kinesiologist who can do a balance for mercury overload, as mercury is present in all the vaccinations, and has been the cause of many incorrect ADHD diagnosis. Mercury can cross the placenta, so if you have any amalgam fillings or root canals, the baby could have got a dose of mercury before birth. It is hard to detect in a blood test too.

Also, I've just taken my kids off wheat and have seen their behaviour improve out of site. They are not ADHD, but the improvement has been amazing. Adding a daily vitamin and mineral supplement to their diet can also have a great effect. Good luck!

Lee - posted on 01/29/2012

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Hi Amanda, I have just started a community on circle of moms called CHILDHOOD BIPOLAR-WE CAN HELP.

This also includes ADHD, and I would be most interested in chatting to you more. The fact that they have put your son on Risperdal (brand name for Risperidone) is concerning. There is a lot more detail I would like to ask you, and I would like you to join my community so we can discuss it further if you are interested. Type the name in the search bar and it should reflect.



Best regards, Lee

Shannon - posted on 01/29/2012

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my son takes concerta.. the medicine has been a lifesaver, talk to your doctor, my son can focus and is now doing well at home and in school, this is not something you can control all on your own...its like tring to control anything else like diabetes, you can't, his brain just works differently also check online there are plenty of great minds that struggled with this very real disorder.. hope this helps

Shaela - posted on 01/28/2012

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Try talking to a nutritionist. A child's diet can help a lot in these cases. Good luck.

Amanda - posted on 01/28/2012

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well I might have to try something as I hoping to help myson and daughter as i also have two more boys and they all four are my world and I will do anything to make things better for them in the long run

Daphlie - posted on 01/28/2012

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Yes- worth an alternate route. Right now we are seeing improvement with calcium, magnesium, zinc, vitamin c and b supplements and fish oil.

Amanda - posted on 01/28/2012

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if there some other methods for me to try I would be more in willing I mean I try to handle things as they come yesterday morning my sons bus driver told me that he will not sit still on the bus when he got home that day I asked him why was he not sitting in his seat like the bus driver asked him to. he told me that he was sitting on his book bag. I asked just trying not sitting on his book bag and sit on his seat maybe take a book or a coloring book with you to do on the bus. he said ok

Joanna - posted on 01/28/2012

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As a person that is a certified teacher I would like to offer the following advice: First examine their diets. I truly believe that there are so many preservatives and etc added to our foods these days that there can't help to be some kind of effect from it. I agree with the concensus in that you should try to find another opinion on diagnosis and etc, especially if you doctor is not willing to work with you on changing the medication(s). I believe overall the terms ADD and ADHD are too widely thrown about. There may be another explaination to the behaviors you're seeing. The schools your children are attending should be able to give you resources and help you out as well. Especially if either of your children have an IEP. There are also natural remedies widely available out there just make sure when you talk to someone (ie healthfood, natural store, etc) that they can give you references and etc so you can make sure they know what they're doing and don't make things worse. These remedies can be as simple as changing their diet to adding natural sumpliments. Lastly, as a parent I've found that sometimes it's not the kids that need to change but the parent in the way they handle things and discipline. I hope at least something I've said will help. Good Luck and I'll be praying that you find a resolution.

Amanda - posted on 01/27/2012

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@Angela my son has been off of his meds for a year now and my daughter has never been on any meds he is doing good in school but also having some issues about getting into trouble but his grades are good. my daughter is somedays stuborn at school but other than that she is good at school

Serafine - posted on 01/27/2012

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Homeopathy, long walks and throwing out the tv really helped a friend of mine.

Angela - posted on 01/27/2012

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My son has ADHD and we are using therapy only. I wanted to try the medication only after we tried all the therapies available. He has improved immensely. I would find a good clinic or therapist and go that route. Maybe see if you can get him off the meds.

Teresa - posted on 01/27/2012

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I have a daughter who in grade 1 was tested we were told she was ADHD. We decided to go no med there was tuff times in elementary school but with the support from the school and us she has changed alot. She is 16 1/2 and learned to control it now.

Darla - posted on 01/26/2012

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@ Tracy...have you lived with a ADHD kid, seen what they go thru 24/7? If not then don't say to try something that may not work for some. I did try things before medicating my daughter but with no results. I get irratated when someone assumes that I just want to medicate my kid, that is not the case but at this moment it is what works the best while trying to come up with other alternatives.

Sherri - posted on 01/26/2012

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@Tracy did you read my post already I did do everything under the sun for over 2 yrs before we decided to medicate!! I am NOT medicating my son with toxic substances and I have also done my research and homework. Please do not tell me I didn't do everything possible before I medicated. My son was probably 1 step away from possible suicide and if it wasn't for the medication that ended up saving his sanity and our family.



Your posts bother me because you are dooming some of these parents and children to a heck of a lot of needless suffering who really have tried everything to no avail and are at wits end but then read your posts and take them as they are doing something wrong because in the end they look into medications.

Tracy - posted on 01/26/2012

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There is a communication training like no other that is available that tunes adhd kids right in and brings them up and out of what they are sitting in. If you want to medicate your child instead, don't say you have tried everything as moms usually say, because this has been promoted on the net for years. It's called Connection Therapy and Communication Training specialist will come to you anywhere in the US. It gets to the root of the problem rather than covering it up with toxic substances. Have you researched the lawsuits and deaths on Concerta or Respirdone (Resperdol)? This is not meant to attack any mom, just the dealers. : )

Ros - posted on 01/26/2012

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hi my son had adhd and ocd he was put on medikinet for his concentration at school but this did,nt help his behaviour he is nearly 13yrs old now there are help and support groups out there contact your local council and where you also aware that you can claim disability living allowance for you son and daughter and carers allowance for your self phone the disability helpline number for a claim form you can also get lots more help with things,make sure the school are aware too my son was excluded aged 6 for bad behaviour as they were not aware of his condition.i hope this helps,good luck.ros

Donna - posted on 01/26/2012

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Your daughter might need medication. I know a lot of parents feel badly for giving it to their kids but if they have an infection you don't feel bad giving them antibiotics. You have to do what is best for your kids. You might have to try different meds to find the right one. The best Dr to deal with this situation is a psychiatrist.

Cricket - posted on 01/26/2012

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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, Listen to your instincts... My son was Diagnosed with ADHA, and they medicated him.. great during the day, but he would "crash" about 630, crying wheeping, angry... so they switched medicine... that made him gain 40 pounds in 2 months.. so they gave him an apetite surpresant, that made him not be able to sleep, then they wanted to give him a sleep aid.. I SAID ENOUGH... he is not Elvis for goodness sakes.. we weened him off his medicine, and did behavor modification and counciling... granted he is not the "easy child" but he is a happy healthy child, and really what child is easy???

Linda - posted on 01/26/2012

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@ Amanda. As I dont know which county your from but I would suggest you get to The Sunflower Trust website, they have practioners who deal with ADD, ADHD, Dyslexia, Dysplasia and they put you children on a programme with other children with similar situations before going to avenue on medication.As a Mental health social worker I know that Risperidone has major side effects on adults let alone children, but GP who are not trained in this field will give this to your children hoping to make situation better but some times in ends up in mayhem do google The sunflower trust and see if some there can be of help

Darla - posted on 01/26/2012

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My step son and my daughter with my husband now are both diagnosed with ADHD W/hyperactivity. We seen a specialist that my step son goes to and they was really surprised by the questions they asked both my husband and I and that we answered them the same about our daughter. She was diagnosed when she was 4, my step son is MR and 19 now. My husband is in denial but he also has ADHD. Our son who is almost 3 is most likely going to be diagnosed with it also. My step son is on 4 different behavior meds...Namenda, Adderal, Clonidine and Seroqoul. Our daughter is on Clonidine. Both of them do wonderful on these meds and if they do not get even one dose of their meds you can tell the difference.

Good Luck and keep seeing different drs. as we see a Child and Adolescent Psychiatrist.

Denise - posted on 01/26/2012

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I'm going to keep this brief...my son is on Vyvanse...a total God send. But what I found out was that some children with ADHD are lacking enough magnesium. So I did a little experimenting--with myself first because I am also ADHD. Then I took my son off his meds and replaced it with a magnesium pill. I could NOT believe how much it calmed him down. Not to the point he was a zombie, but enough that he was able to process simple commands and not have any outbursts. Citrus fruits interfere with his meds and I always know when he's had an orange or something at lunch time...he bounces all over the place. So, I give him a magnesium pill and again, calms him down. This may or may not work in your situation, as I can only speak for my own. I don't know what it would be like for him if he were to come completely off Vyvanse and just use magnesium. It wouldn't hurt to try this if your child has been diagnosed but not yet prescribed any type of medication. Just remember, this is what works for my situation =))

Jessica - posted on 01/26/2012

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I definately would try alternatives to meds, also. Alternative therapies and modification of diets (whole foods, not processed stuff, minimize things such as artificial colors. Stay away amap from corn syrup!) possibly even getting them tested for allergies...that's what I would recommend. Craniosacral therapy is a therapy that I practice that helps balance the nervous system, and is very helpful for things such as this. Drugs, in my opinion, are not working well with underlying problems, and create unknown side-effects long term, especially.

Amanda - posted on 01/26/2012

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thank you julie that is something I need to try I know I praise my kids when they do good and everything. just this morning my oldest son that is diagnosed with it helped me out because I am not feeling to good. I have three boys and my one girl all together my two boys go to the same school. he helped me out with finding his brother shoes for me this morning and got me a cup of ice water. he could tell that I did not feel to good this morning as he asked me if I was ok and told me that he was sorry because I was sick. I told him thank you and that it was not his fault that mommy does not feel good.

Sherry - posted on 01/25/2012

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I can offer you some suggestions on diet, which may help your children on a daily basis. Message me and we can chat.

Tracy - posted on 01/25/2012

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I understand Amy, but like the beginning of drinking or pain killers and such, they seem to be just what is needed. But the danger is ever-present. I don't debate these issues because I know we do whatever we hope is best for our kids and trust our doctors. But I do my homework and hope I can help.



Concerta is addictive with potentially deadly side effects:

http://www.concertasideeffects.com/



Concerta law suits and settlements

http://www.weitzlux.com/concerta/lawsuit...

Tracy - posted on 01/25/2012

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Amanda,



I may be able to connect you up to someone who can help you over the phone or however or I may be able to help you on the communication side of it. There is some good news with the new parent/child psych-free training now too. This site slows my typing way down so I can't write much. Message me privately if you like and I'll give you my email address.

Fleur - posted on 01/25/2012

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I have worked as a instructional aide for kids with ADHD. One was really bad and went on meds. I think there are many natural ways to help kids. talk to your pediatrician first and school personnel. I worked in the special education section of our elementary for almost 5 years. We retaught the same lesson over and over for each subject. If it was adding, we had worksheets and games we would work on for weeks before moving onto the next subject. Nutrition and Black history were subjects my teacher let me incorporate into the cirriculum because I noticed many of our black kids did not have self esteem I noticed others had. I also noticed the kids with stable family interaction did better with learning. The kids that were in group homes and parents weren't actively helping them didn't care about school. I hope this is what you are asking. Good luck.

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