i'm worried about vaccinating my son. he will be 2 months in a week and i've read some pretty awful
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Krista - posted on 01/23/2011
Technically, Sarah, what you've got there is shingles. I get it sometimes too. I wasn't able to get the chicken pox vaccine because it just wasn't available when I was a kid.
One thing that I DO want to say to parents who don't vaccinate, is to please not brush off the severity of some of the diseases that vaccines help prevent.
I've seen quite a few anti-vax parents who are like, "Oh, it's just the measles. We all get it as kids" "Oh, it's just the mumps, no big deal." "Oh, it's just chicken pox."
Those diseases CAN have very serious effects.
Mumps can cause sterility in males. Measles can kill. Chicken pox, as Sarah indicated, can result in shingles later on. And if the shingles virus reaches the face and eyes, it can cause blindness. So that's something that Sarah and I may someday face. Rubella can cause very serious birth defects in the fetus if it's contracted during pregnancy. My brother is deaf, because my stepmom thought she had her MMR booster but didn't. Whooping cough, which is making a resurgence thanks to the anti-vax movement, can kill.
I just find it very odd and sad that these parents will do so much internet digging to "prove" how dangerous vaccines are, but are conveniently ignoring just how dangerous all of these diseases are.
So if you don't want to vax, well, I can't force you. But don't add insult to injury by pretending that these diseases are nothing.
Anna - posted on 01/24/2011
The reason your children are healthy and happy and have likely not experienced the devastating effects of things like pertussis and polio is because OTHER people vaccinate their children. You live in a first world, industrialized country that has the means to prevent its own destruction thanks to things like vaccinations, which means your children haven't been exposed to those diseases. Were you to live in a third world country without widespread vaccination availability, I highly doubt your opinion would be similar. And, really, I would love to see some of this irrefutable evidence indicating the harm that outweighs the good you so stalwartly defend.
Kate CP - posted on 01/24/2011
*bangs head on desk* The black plague hasn't been wiped out, there are still cases of it today. The reason why the plague ended was because of an increase in personal hygiene and an understanding of how disease is spread.
Yes, a vaccinated child can carry disease but they typically won't get sick (or as sick) as those who aren't vaccinated. Most childhood illnesses aren't fatal, you're right...we're talking about the ones that ARE fatal and there are vaccines for. The "toxins" in vaccines are preservatives to keep them shelf stable and make them work properly. They are in trace amounts and your kidneys and liver are more than capable of filtering out the preservatives found in vaccines. There are more preservatives in a can of soda than a single dose of a vaccine.
Eating right, living healthy, and being conscious of your health are all great and will help you fight off infection. However, these things are no match for a disease like polio, meningitis, and diphtheria (all of which are vaccine preventable). Sometimes the human body needs a little help to stay healthy and disease free.
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R - posted on 08/01/2011
If you're concerned about the safety and efficacy of vaccines, you have every right as a parent to NOT vaccinate your child, or delay their vaccines to when they are older. Check out Dr. Sears alternative vaccination schedule if you are concerned with how many vaccines are given at such a young age. I personally don't vaccinate my son and he is the healthiest little boy you'd ever see. Now, if I were planning to travel to a third world country, I may reconsider that, but as it stands he is safe, healthy and happy, without medical intervention.
Jay - posted on 04/07/2011
I am terrified about vaccinating! I have never had them and My auntie was made brain damaged by the whooping cough cocktail...
But I see the advantages so I am having them seperated out and doing whats best for my lil guy....
But I can see were non vaxers are coming from, I am terrified!!!!!!!xxxx
Kate CP - posted on 04/06/2011
Sarah: No, non-vaxxers HAVE thought about it. But they don't care. They believe that they are doing the best they can for their children and they don't care about the consequences to others.
On the one hand, I can understand and even agree with that sentiment. On the other hand, I don't think that a person who has no familial history of vaccine reactions or a child who has had a reaction to vaccines in the past should just NOT vaccinate. If you have a medically valid reason to not vaccinate then obviously you shouldn't! But if you're just not vaccinating because you've "done your research" and decided it was "too risky" then I have no respect for that decision.
here's some food for thought for the non vaxers. lets say you and i lived in the same town its a small town with one shopping centre now one day your child wakes up with a bit of a fever but otherwise seems fine so you go shopping. You decide to have lunch in the food court. It's busy you and your child get up to leave and I spot you so I decide to take the seats for myself and my son. a few days later I am rushed to hospital with measles and begin a fight for my life as i have a compromised immune system and the vaccine for me did not work. I lose my battle which leaves my 16 month old without a mummy. You read this in the local paper, your child has measles because you chose not to vaccinate. It is more than likely i got the measles from your child because you chose not to vaccinate...How would you feel that your decision killed another child's mother? How would you feel if your mother died because somebody else didn't vaccinate? just something to think about when you chose not to vaccinate. How does your decision affect other people where you live as you can't possibly know whose immune system is compromise? another scenario: same story except Im pregnant. my partner loses both his wife and unborn child. How do you feel that you have now essentially killed two people by the decision you have made? I think a lot of non vaxers have NEVER thought about this
Jay - posted on 04/06/2011
and i was not vaccinated..
never had any of those illnesses.
My mother gave us chicken pox on purpose, me and my sister were left to stay at my nephews as kids to catch it.
in bed for about a week together. It was so we didnt get chicken pox as adults, cos that is alot worse.x
Jay - posted on 04/06/2011
Yes there is a TB outbreak in young children in the city next to mine because the hospital there stopped advising the TB vaccine! They still advise in the hospital in my city and they are starting to again in the next city too...x
Jay - posted on 04/06/2011
I would never give my baby a cocktail vaccine.
My aunt was made severly brain damaged at 6 months old when she was given a cocktail with whooping cough.
But I do want to vaccinate though, so I am going to get the 6 in 1s seperated out. they are given that way to make it cheaper, but i want safer!
and the whooping cough is not given till 6 months here even though it is a killer in babies under 6 months(?) I cant understand that!
but it is a really scary thing to have to do but I think vaccines are better in the long run. Although I havent had them, My mother only got us vaccined against TB.
bringing my lil guy in 4 his TB shot today :(
And finding out about getting myself vaccine for rubella! I plan on having more children and its not fair risking my future unborn children IMO
Dodie - posted on 04/06/2011
"All My Children":) were vaccinated. I keep up with mine, as well. I do believe that most of the ingredients in the newer version of the vaccination "cocktail" are good & necessary--polio, for example. However, I'm not really very happy that it includes Mumps, Measles & Chicken Pox. They were always a "rite of passage", even when my girls had their innoculations. They both had the measles--various types--& the Chicken Pox--& developed their own immunity. I believe that to be a good thing. The mumps, well, that's a different story. If a person contracts them when they are very young, it's not a problem. However, in the teen years, especially for a boy, it can render him sterile.
So, there are pros & cons to both sides of this fence! It's too bad that the immunizations are not, individually speaking, left up to the parents of the Child.
I don't envy you having to make this decision. It is a difficult one. Whatever you decide, at least you are thinking about it before making an informed choice.
Good Luck with this one!...Dodie
ALLY! EXCUSE ME! you are now calling me a bad parent because my son goes to daycare ONE DAY A WEEK and i had no choice but to formula feed because my breast milk was like water and anything and everything i tried did NOT work. i find you to be incredibly rude and insulting. I don't care if you want your child to die from a disease that is easily preventable i just don't want YOUR child to give me something like measles in which I have NO immunity to despite having the vaccine.
Jodi - posted on 04/05/2011
"My child simply does not have the same risk factors as a child whose parents pass them around to anyone,take them out to crowded places stick them in daycare and throw them a bottle of formula..."
You don't think THIS is insulting to entire groups of women?
Ally - posted on 04/05/2011
Stating that I did everything that I could to protect my child is rude and insulting?? hmm interesting since most of that paragraph just lines out what worked for us...never did i say that would work for other people...or that they are lazy (that was your assumption) it is a fact that all children are not exposed to or have the same risks as other kids are...that shouldn't be hard to comprehend.
I totally believe that people who have different parenting styles and formula feed and put their children in daycare and take them out a lot should be vaccinated. Those kids are at a much higher risk for contracting illneses..that is not my opinion that is a fact.
I also never once mentioned autism...i do not believe that vaccines are linked to autism at all there is not enough large studies to point either way so that issue is irrelevant....and as a registered nurse I only really appreciate scientific evidence ..not unproven theories. There is however an entire goverment organization whose sole function is to monitor and document adverse reactions ..comas, seizures, paralysis death...related to administration of vaccines bc children have died from vaccines just like children have died from the illnesses vaccines intend to prevent.
I stated that it was a choice and one that should be researched thoroughly before just doing something blindly...it's funny that people find fault in that.
Oh and fyi...i have my blood drawn at my physical every year (just like everyone should) to check my titer levels for mumps measles and rubella and my husband and I got our TDap booster just last month. So hate ta burst your bubble but my kids are in fact getting those antibodies when I nurse since I take responsibility for my family and my own health and put in the extra work to keep my family safe :)
Kate CP - posted on 04/05/2011
"...People seriously have to stop grouping all children into the same risk factor catergory. before she recieved her DTaP shot we literally kept her either at home, spend lots of time out in the open air on walks or at family members houses who were illness free. Any one who touched her washed their hands before they did so she was not around other children or large groups. It is not other people's responsibility to protect your young infants...that is your job as a parent and one i took seriously. That meant not taking her grocery shopping or going out to dinner for about 6 months but it was a small sacrifice. She was also breastfed for almost 2 years and got antibodies for every disease i am immune to everytime she ate. I also stay home with her durring the week and work on the weekends so she has never had to be in a daycare setting. My child simply does not have the same risk factors as a child whose parents pass them around to anyone,take them out to crowded places stick them in daycare and throw them a bottle of formula..."
That whole paragraph was just completely insulting and rude and it doesn't even apply to me. I'm a stay at home mom, I breast feed exclusively, my kids didn't/don't go to day care. But you know what? Some people don't have that luxury. Some people CAN'T breast feed for whatever reason (a breast reduction can effect your ability to nurse, medications can make nursing dangerous, or any other problem). You're assuming that people who are lazy are people who send their kids to daycare and formula feed. Wrong-o, lady.
My daughter is school-aged. Which means she's around other kids now. My son is only 10 weeks old which means he isn't up to date on his vaccines. You're telling me that because I want to protect my son from possible death or a lifetime of health problems that I'm succumbing to scare tactics?
And I hate to burst your "breast milk is gold" bubble, but unless YOUR boosters are up to date then your kids who are breast fed aren't getting any antibodies for the disease we vaccinate for.
Jodi - posted on 04/05/2011
"I really find it disturbing that people who choose to vaccinate try and force everyone else to do the same just because they do"
Wrong. Many people who vaccinate choose to vaccinate, not only because they believe it is the best for their children, but they recognise the need for herd immunity in the community in order to protect those within the community who CAN'T be vaccinated (for whatever reason), and also to contibute towards eradicating the diseases. After all, we wouldn't want TB or polio making a massive comeback now, would we? If every parent thought that we didn't need to vaccinate, that's exactly what would happen.
"So enough with the scare tactics please...it is just rediculous. "
Sorry? Who uses scare tactics again? *Vaccines cause autism* anyone? Remember that one? Plenty more scare tactics where that came from. Pot....meet kettle.
Now, I'm not calling you a bad parent. Just correcting a couple of points in your post.
Stephanie - posted on 04/05/2011
My daughter is 21 months old and has gotten all her vaccinations on time when they are recommended! I look at is as if she doesnt get them now she will have to get them ALL before she starts school. They generally dont even remember the pain!
Nikkole - posted on 04/05/2011
I was 19 when i was a first time mom also but I had ALWAYS been up to date on vaccinations and so were my sisters so from my experiences and research i chose to vaccinate my children and my son is 3yrs old and my daughter is 9months and they are both doing GREAT no bad side effects nothing. When i was younger i had the chicken pox vaccination but i did end up getting them BUT it was soo mild i had absolutly no problems a few pox's and a mild fever for 4days nothing big BUT my step father had them and he was in bed for 2 weeks with red spots EVERYWHERE and a really high fever it was horrible and he has scars now from having it and scratching! I agree with everyone else if you do not vaccinate you are not only putting your children at risk you are putting others at risk as well!
Have you known a child who nearly died from men/c and other diseases most children are vaccinated from.There vaccinated to reduce them from getting this stuff.As with all many still contract these diseases.
This number is not very high anymore due to vaccinating.
I know one child who was close to death from men/c.It was the worse time for those parents.The dad had to come home from working over seas, he wasn't sure if he had a son to come back home to.He could of easily came home to bury this boy.
Vaccinate because you never want to see your child so sick.This reduces there risk, so i believe its so important to do it for them.
imho.Again its always the parents choice at the end of the day.
Ally - posted on 04/05/2011
I really find it disturbing that people who choose to vaccinate try and force everyone else to do the same just because they do. And the thought that we should be forced to have viruses injected into our newborns is insane. Over the years i have found that those who choose to follow the cdc's vaccine schedule and not question what their doctor says are the same people who have never read research studies,product inserts and investigated documented vaccine reactions. It is almost always the people willing to put in the legwork do their homework and make informed decisions that choose not to vaccinate their children.
You also don't have to get your kids their shots on anyone elses schedule you can do what you feel comfortable with. My husband and i decided to wait until we felt we had done all our research before starting any vaccines (which happened to be when she was 20 weeks old.) i had done an entire research project in nursing school only two years before but even in that short amount of time more studies came out and so did new vacine recomendations so we wanted to make sure we were up to date on our info.
People seriously have to stop grouping all children into the same risk factor catergory. before she recieved her DTaP shot we literally kept her either at home, spend lots of time out in the open air on walks or at family members houses who were illness free. Any one who touched her washed their hands before they did so she was not around other children or large groups. It is not other people's responsibility to protect your young infants...that is your job as a parent and one i took seriously. That meant not taking her grocery shopping or going out to dinner for about 6 months but it was a small sacrifice. She was also breastfed for almost 2 years and got antibodies for every disease i am immune to everytime she ate. I also stay home with her durring the week and work on the weekends so she has never had to be in a daycare setting. My child simply does not have the same risk factors as a child whose parents pass them around to anyone,take them out to crowded places stick them in daycare and throw them a bottle of formula.
You have to make the decision for your family and your child..not whats right for other people. If something doesnt sit right with you and you dont feel as though you have enogh info to make a decison then wait...but realize that it does put your child at an increased risk and act accordingly. I am writing this as i sit next to my daughter who is working happily on her workbook and is about one week into the chicken pox (gasp!). No problems and almost zero complaints with over 250 spots....i am so glad she got them as a child and now has lifelong immunity and isnt gonna have to worry about getting 3 shots for it before she is 13 and then boosters for the rest of her life. She has recieved some vaccines that i felt were important but vaccinate her for normal childhood illnesses meant to be had in childhood thate RARELY have complications when they get them at a young age....not a chance.
So enough with the scare tactics please...it is just rediculous. We all make tough choices for our kids everyday and have to live with them. My child has not been in contact with any other childern who had the chicken pox...she did however play with two children who had just had their pox vaccine a few days before..our doct thinks
those kids most likely shed the live virus and gave it to my child...so in this case it was the vaccinated children spreading diseases cuz their parents chose to ignore the fact that their kids could infect others with the virus after being immunized.
I have gotten nasty looks...the bad parent speech and had to change doctors bc i chose to do things differently and think for myself....do i care..not even a little. I made the right choices for my family and they may not be the right choices for yours but educate yourself and realize their are two sides to every argument.
Ally - posted on 04/05/2011
Sarah, It seems you may be a little unclear on how the chickenpox vaccine works.
The virus remains dormant in the system of those people who have either had naturally aquired chicken pox OR have had the vaccine (which is a live virus). Those two groups of people are at the same risk for developing shingles later on in life. Getting the chickenpox vaccine does not make you immune from getting shingles.
Too true Lissa I can't wait for my son to turn 18 months so he can get the jab for it poor little man also has to get blood tests then too the doctor's want to see if the MMR vaccine worked or if he's like me and has to go along in liffe wondering whose kid has measles and isn't showing yet
Lissa- chicken pox was the worst i had to be put into an induced coma because it was all over my lungs a week later it was cleared from my lungs and i woke up and apparently all i did was toss and turn and incoherently babble for the next week
Halina - posted on 01/27/2011
i had my son vaccinated and he was fine.. no side effects.. gave him a bit of calpol an hour b4 he had it done( was recommended that by another mum) and he was absolutely fine the area was red for a few hours but that was it...
Lissa - posted on 01/26/2011
You asked to hear from people who had no vaccines, I had none as a child and I have had measles, mumps and chicken pox. My measles weren't to bad just very unwell for a number of days, mumps was incredibly painful, had a terrible temperature and even after the swelling and fever were gone I was still unwell for a number of weeks afterwards, chicken pox was horrific, they were in every crevice of my body and I don't remember most of it because I was delirious for the best part of two weeks from the fever and it took many weeks before I actually recovered.
My kids are up to date apart from one booster jab which is getting done as soon as possible after my kids mumps scare.
Jamie - posted on 01/26/2011
My son is now 2 and he's gotten them, with no problems. I just heard a huge discussion on the radio dismissing the autism conection. Turns out the guy who started all the fuss was lying big time! If I can find a link for you I'll re-post.
Studies have shown that society goes in phases on whether or not to vaccinate. When society as a whole draws back from them the illnesses start to become more frequent. causing society to start vaccinating again.
I figure it this way, me and my siblings were, my kids will be and we are good. I little soreness and some tyl and all is well.
Best of luck!
Amanda - posted on 01/26/2011
Mariah read all the posts, I already told you my son did not get a chicken pox vaccine and got DEATHLY sick, I already informed you if I could go back in time, and pay the money for that vaccine (only reason he didnt have it was cost), I would of found the money and got him his vaccinations against a so called "simple" childhood illiness.
As for the compondents of a vaccines, there is more mercury in the fish you eat, then ALL a childs vaccinations. One can of tuna is more toxic than vaccines, but I bet you will still feed your child tuna, salmon, fish sticks, or whatever other fish/seafood. Tap water is much more dangerous than vaccines. Do you own any ikea furnature?? There are more toxins in your every day stuff in your home then in vaccines! Do you use cleaners in your home? Do you use swiffers? How about those gas fumes from the car you drive your children to school in? When you really think about all the toxins children are exposed to daily, vaccines toxins suddenly dont seem so deadly.
Jody - posted on 01/26/2011
The number of shots recommended (3 dozen by age 5) is ridiculous. I got this book by Dr. Sears called The Vaccine Book that offered a non-biased view of each vaccine, what they are made from and how important it is to get. I know some vaccinations are important but not all. My son will be turning 4 yrs old in 2 months. I spaced out all his vaccinations, never allowing more than one at a time and bringing him back 2 weeks later for the next one. I never consented to the Varicella or MMR shots since these actually carry (inactive) viruses, these will be delayed until he starts school. Get educated and don't be afraid to speak up, this is YOUR child and it's up to you to make the best choices for him/her, not the doctor.
Anna - posted on 01/26/2011
I've read the ingredients, Mariah. I also looked up their PPM (parts per million) versus what you'd find as far as chemicals are concerned in your average municipal water supply. Your child would be exposed to more aluminum in a glass of tap water than in a single vaccination. I'm not uninformed, but I don't see why you bother continuing to read this thread as you've obviously already made your decision regardless of anything anyone's said advocating getting your child vaccinated, so, best of luck to you.
Bpevler - posted on 01/26/2011
From what I have read, the ado regarding childhood vaccines concerned the use of Thimerosal, which was removed from all chilhood vaccines in 2001. This was the preservative many were claiming was the cause of illnesses, primarily autism. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concern...
There are some interesting facts about the safety and changes that can help you makes decisions also
Mariah - posted on 01/25/2011
and Blessing I was just wondering if you have kids that are vaccine free, or if anyone does....could you plz tell me if they got any of the diseases that these so called vaccinations are "said to protect". I would really like to talk to a mom that has older kids that are vaccine free and if she is happy with her decision or if she regrets it. PLZ get back to me as my son will be 2 months on FEB 4th. thnx guys means a lot♥
Anna - posted on 01/25/2011
On the subject of the doctor who originally published "research" indicating a correlation between the MMR vaccine and an onset of autism:
First off his "research" was faulty to begin with. His group of subjects consisted of only 12 children, all of whom already had autism and/or gastrointestinal disorders at the time he was gathering "data". Anyone who knows anything about how large research projects work would know that 12 subjects are a sore misrepresentation of a larger group, and he lacks a control group of subjects (those who were not vaccinated/do not have autism or gastrointestinal disorders). His research, according to many of the parents of the children, was also misrepresented and falsified (one father even commented that the symptoms the doctor indicated didn't sound anything like his daughter). His research was read and reread and many other scientists devised tests of their own, and NOT A SINGLE ONE could draw the same conclusions. The evidence for it was not there. That same doctor has since lost his license to practice medicine in the UK.
Again, Mariah, if you don't want to vaccinate your child that's entirely your business. But please, please, please discuss your options with a knowledgeable person like your child's doctor or a health nurse or something, so that you know all the risks and benefits and can make an informed decision.
As for the debate raging on this site, I'm frankly enjoying it. I apologize if anything I have typed has been construed as rude or accusatory. However I believe that if you're going to have a debate you should be prepared to fully exhibit, examine, and defend your position while supplying as much factual information as you can find.
Amanda - posted on 01/25/2011
Dr, Tenpanny is full of it, there is a family in usa with 5 children with autism, the youngest 4 have never had vaccines. Autism is a gentic disorder, and has zero to do with vaccinations.
Pharmaceuticals do not make tons of money off vaccines, actually the vaccine part of the medical business is a losing part. Governments also do not make money off vaccines (in my country we dont pay for vaccines therefore the government loses out on money everytime a child gets vaccinated, but that same government saves money everytime a child is vaccinated, due to the fact that is one less child admitted into a hospital for care later on in life.) Doctors do not get bonus's in my country for getting children vaccinated, yet responsible doctors totally support vaccination programs.
Blessing - parents in australia make money for vaccinating they're children too! we get a small sum of money after the 18 month vaccinations and after the 5 year vaccinations so huge incentive here for parents to do it. If they don't do it for their child's health at least do it for the extra money sounds horrible but some would think like that. Me? i did it for my child's health
Blessing - posted on 01/25/2011
Pharmaceuticals make heaps of money from vaccines, governments make heaps of money from vaccines, doctors get a bonus for every child who is vaccinated through their practice....money runs our world today including opinions what a research paper says is highly dependent on who funded that research. Maria read a book called raising a vaccine free child, it will help. don't judge it by its name surprisingly enough it gives both sides of vaccines,
Mariah that's 2 doctors you mentioned. Remember the doctor that did so called research and wrote an article stating the vaccines caused Autism. Well just remember the article and research turned out to be a lie to *gasp* to make money.
Now all of you who think the posts here are nasty or unhelpful because of disagreements need to pull up their big girl pants and come to the realization that you will meet people in life ,either online or in public, that will disagree with you. That doesn't make them bad people. What you see here in these posts is a debate which is totally healthy and normal. Just remember the original post was open ended. So if you feel hurt by what was said here you need to toughen up.
Patricia - when i was pregnant i found out i had no immunity to MMR despite getting a booster a year prior i got another booster after my son was born and two months later got a blood test and the antibodies aren't there the doctor said this happens in around 1% of vaccinations i just have to be careful. so yeah to protect myself because im already an unwell person to begin with i avoid playgroup because i know a lot of parents who are stupid enough to not vaccinate
Mariah - posted on 01/24/2011
listen everyone as a mom i want whats best for my child and my doctor said to vaccinate him at 2 months old. but then i did some research... READ THIS GUYS
The list of doctors and professionals stating that vaccines are dangerous is growing. Dr Sherri Tenpenny says in a short article Defending the Right to Poison:-
“I have a little person in my office who had 10 rounds of antibiotics and 17 vaccines by 20 months of age. Yes, now autistic. That should be assault with deadly weapons and the doctor should be in jail. Instead, the parents were kicked out of their pediatrician’s practice for refusing more vaccines and wanting to get their child well. With these annoying, non-compliant parents out of the way, that doctor can continue to do what vaccinators do: Inject toxic substances into children, ruining their health and the lives of the child’s family members”
Dr Mayer Eisenstein Homefirst Medical Services treats thousands of never- vaccinated children. The Homefirst Medical Services director has said on many occasions that he is not aware of any cases of autism in unvaccinated children.
Dr Eisenstein said that the Homefirst Medical Services has taken care of about 30,000 to 35,000 unvaccinated children over the years and he does not remember a single case of autism in children who never received vaccines
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