Immunizing my four month old daughter

Melissa - posted on 03/01/2010 ( 45 moms have responded )

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My daughter just turned 4 months, I refuse to get her immunized until I finish breastfeeding. I am just looking for some feedback. I do not need any what if's though. If it is far fetched its not relevant.

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Iridescent - posted on 03/03/2010

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Most recent case of Polio - 2/1/2010. Total cases in 2009 - 1604.

http://www.polioeradication.org/casecoun...

Most recent case of Mumps - 2/8/2010. Believe it or not, one of these outbreaks was in our RURAL Minnesota town.

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/heal...



If you choose not to vaccinate, so be it, it is up to you. But just because you're "rural" doesn't make it safe. And just because there are so few cases doesn't make it safe. And breastfeeding doesn't make it safe. She may still be exposed.



Edited to add - EVERY parent that has a child infected with these "rare" and "extinct" diseases wonders "why me" or "what could I have done to prevent this", then they remember, oh yea, I didn't want her to get poked by a needle and take the risk of the vaccine. And every parent that has a child with the diseases, if they could go back in time and vaccinate, would. You always think "what are the chances" but the fact is, the chance is there no matter who you are. And one little jab with a needle and a possible fever is so much better than a lifetime of paralysis, infertility, the pain and horror of treatment, and the likelihood of death. That's just my opinion. And I have no respect for those that choose not to immunize then whine when their child becomes fatally ill when they knew the possible consequences.

Kate CP - posted on 03/07/2010

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Karen, I suggest you watch the movie A Paralyzing Fear. It's on netflix.com instant. It's about the polio epidemics in the US. The reason WHY I suggest you watch this is NOT because there are polio outbreaks in the US. No, I suggest you watch this movie because it will show you the desperation felt by parents to prevent this horrible disease. Was it fatal every time? Nope, but it struck children and adults, it left children weak and disabled, and now it's completely preventable. Not ALL people who get vaccinated lose their immunity over time. Those that DO lose their immunity over time would have lost the immunity even if they had contracted the illness as a child. There is NO WAY to tell what a person's immuno-response will be until AFTER a vaccine has been administered. People can go to their doctors and have a simple blood test done to check their antibodies. I can't believe that as an adult you've HAD pertussis and you would still not vaccinate a baby for it. Pertussis kills kids! Even though people seek prompt medical care, there are still some who for whatever reason die. Because we are not vaccinating kids any more, more and more people (children and adults) are getting sick. So we throw antibiotics at them. Then these lovely little contagions mutate and become harder and harder to cure.



We give kids "food" with all sorts of pesticides and chemicals in them every day. We let them play with toxic toys covered in lead based paint every day. We let them ride to school in the car in traffic with the car windows rolled down so they can breathe in those exhaust fumes. We lather them in soaps and detergents that have the same chemical make up of plane engine degreasers EVERY DAY. But GOD FORBID we give them a single dose of a vaccine that has a minute trace of "toxic chemicals" ONE TIME to prevent horrible childhood diseases and death. Yes, I'm sure it's the frickin' vaccines making kids sick and not the crap we expose them to EVERY DAMN DAY instead. Has to be the vaccines.

Lucy - posted on 03/06/2010

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As a teacher of children with special needs I have worked closely with many children with autistic spectrum disorders and their families. Although there are some who believe in some kind of link between their child's autism and the MMR, it is becoming increasingly widely accepted (by these families and the medical community at large) that the propensity towards autism and aspergers is inherited. Yes, there is still the possibility of environmental triggers which may cause the condition to become worse or display symptoms earlier, but no evidence to suggest that any vaccine actually CAUSES autism.

Fortunately, now the link between the MMR and autism is thoroughly discredited, resources being diverted up that dead end street can now be used for more useful research, helping to discover genuine contributing factors and ways the condition can be managed.

When it comes to the rise in the number of cases of autism we have seen in the last decade or so, it is as a result of two main factors. Parents and professionals who deal with children regularly (such as teachers and doctors) have been made increasingly aware of the signs and symptoms of autism, so children who would have struggled through life with their condition unrecognised before are now receiving a diagnosis and appropriate support. Also, many degrees of learning difficulty, neurological and behavioural disorders that were seen as quite separate until several years ago, are now being classified under the umbrella of the autistic spectrum, dramatically affecting the statistics on autism diagnoses.

Karen - posted on 03/06/2010

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BTW-there are less than 50 cases of tetanus a YEAR in the US, with only 18% fatality. From 1980-1999 there were only 152 cases of polio and 144 of those were CAUSED by the vaccine! Diptheria averages 3 cases a YEAR in the US. The reason we vaccinate for rubella is not to protect OUR child, but to keep pregnant women from contracting it. The latest mumps outbreak occurred in teen boys, the MAJORITY of whom HAD a vaccine--so the vaccine did NOT protect them. Pertussis is coming back as the immunity from the vaccine( and even if they HAD the disease) has worn off on people over 40. Just do your research. Amy Lea--I'll bet there are a LOT more parents of children on the autism spectrum (in the US, at least) who wish they DIDN'T vaccinate. And yes, "they" say there is no "proof" vaccines caused it, but I bet we can find 50,000 parents who think it did. The coincidence is just too uncanny to take the chance. And unless you've had to deal with a severely autistic child and the expense and grief that goes with it, don't respond. Yes, these parents LOVE their children and their child has brought amazing things to them. The rise in ADHD, childhood bi-polar disorder, autism and other brain/neurological illnesses and the fact that we are now giving 30 vaccines by the time they are 5 years old is coinciding too much too ignore.

Karen - posted on 03/05/2010

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Read The Vaccine Book by Dr. Sears. He tells what is in each vaccine, by manufacturer, and tells it in a very easy to understand manner. He is pro-vaccine, but when you read about all the stuff they put in each vaccine, it at least helps you make a truly informed decision. If you are living organically, you will probably want to wait on many vaccines. If your child is not going to day care or be around a lot of other children in the first year, then I don't see a need to vaccinate for the first year--let her immune system get strong on her own. I would then find a doc who will give them individually.

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Sharon - posted on 12/13/2010

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lmao whooping cough is not far fetched. so death isn't far fetched. Whooping cough is on the rise and a number of babies have died recently. You may live organically but does everyone around you live in a plastic bubble? YOU may be healthy. That doesn't mean the "no vaccine taking woman who works at your local co-op" is healthy. What if she was exposed to whooping cough?

What if she recently flew to visit grandkids in california? (heavy whooping cough outbreak there).

Unless you never leave your house, your child is exposed every time you do leave your house.

the mailman, the cop who stops you to write a ticket and has a look to see if your daughter is properly buckled in, the guy putting out the organic produce.

Actually - your lifestyle puts you more at risk than those of us who lead a less organic lifestyle.

As an adult I was vax'd to protect my infants from whooping cough etc because they were to young for the shots (actually I was immunised before they were born) the people you associate with are less likely to vax themselves and therefore are a bigger disease vector than I care to imagine.

I had my kids vax'd on an alternative schedule. Their peds were ALL unhappy with that but complied with my wishes.

Jessica - posted on 12/13/2010

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my son has the mumps at the moment he is four years old lucky he has been vaccinated so its not that bad.

Danielle - posted on 03/20/2010

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Also, your child could be too old for certain immunizations by the time you're done breastfeeding. This happened to a friend of mine.

Sharon - posted on 03/20/2010

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LOL mumps has had an outbreak on the indian reservations out here. Whooping cough has made a come back... its not farfetched - its becoming increasingly likely that your un immunised child will catch a contagious disease and become very ill, if not dead.

Krystal - posted on 03/20/2010

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hi my son had his first set of immunizations at 2 months, his 2nd set at 3months and his 3rd set at 4 months and he has his 4th set at 1yr. my son is formula fed. but i choose to have them because i know they will protect my son better than anything else. he did really well with them, he cried for about 5 mins after the jabs and then got over it. he had a little bump for a day or 2 and then it went, they sometimes get a fever but not always, my son didnt. hes had 1 cold at 6 months and that lasted for 3 days and thats it. and my son is 10 months old now, and is very healthy, smart and intellegent. im happy with my choice beacuse i know i have protected my son. and iv done wats best for him. :)

Dee - posted on 03/20/2010

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What does one have to do with the other?
I hope you can handle the guilt if something happens to your baby while she is not immzed. Well wishes
Talk to your pedtrn. please!!

Sarah - posted on 03/14/2010

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To put things simply, babies need 2 or sometimes 3 doses of a vaccine to gain immunity, so it's best to start as early as possible so they are protected as early as possible! Also if they are vaccinated at the right times they will be protected from over 14 diseases by the age of 2. So don't delay vaccinate Today:) And let's not start on the whole (fact less) debate that Vaccines cause Autism!

Kate CP - posted on 03/08/2010

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I've read your posts very carefully already, Karen. No need for me to re-read a third time. *I'M* saying that waiting until a child is 12 months old is dangerous. I think you're right that the chemicals we are exposed to these days ARE changing our genetics. But I don't think that a vaccine given once or twice in a child's life causes Autism.

And I survive bipolar disorder every day. I take medication, see a psychotherapist, and for a while I was part of a support group. I've lived with the disorder for about 12 years now and it IS hell. Total torture for the afflicted AND their loved ones. However, nothing but good ol' genetics caused my condition: runs in families, including mine. My mother has it, my sister has it, my grandmother had it (she's passed), my aunts have it, my uncle has it, my great grandmother had it, etc etc. It's kinda like Autism in a way. People still don't really understand it, it's growing in diagnoses because we can recognize the symptoms now, and it's still rather taboo. So what causes bipolar disorder? Nobody knows for sure, but there is STRONG evidence that it's hereditary. Just like Autism.

Karen - posted on 03/08/2010

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Kate--please re-read my posts--SLOWLY. I am not saying DON'T vaccinate. I am saying get educated and space it out. I found my son's vaccine record and he had 7 vaccines in ONE day. I would not do that again, even though he doesn't appear to have had ill effects. (He is almost 20 and a firefighter).

I, too, am concerned about ALL the chemicals that we are unknowingly exposed to. That is why I think parents need to get educated about the ones we inject into our children. I think the field of epigenetics is going to bring some answers to the increase in mental health and neurological issues. The generation of moms today, is the first generation that was raised with things MY generation wasn't exposed to until our teens or later (i.e. microwaves, processed food, fast food on a regular basis, cell phones, plastic toys, aspartame, etc.) I think the chemicals in our environment are changing our genetics.

I see that you "survived bi-polar disorder". Our 25 year old has it for 10 years. I can't say that we've survived it, because it hasn't stopped. He has the more severe form of it and it was hell for the first 5 years. Now we are just coping.

Sneaky - posted on 03/07/2010

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Thank you Kate, I have been thinking that for years but have not had the patience to say it :o)

Kathleen - posted on 03/07/2010

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Wow! I think this should be a place of support and understanding, not scare tactics or criticisms. The vaccine debate I believe is one to be discussed at home with the people you trust the most. There is enough information out there to make a honest decision that is best for you and your family. I think your intentions were good asking for people's opinion but as you can see, it's only fueled the ugliness and ignorance in people.
We can all find stats that can sway you one way or the other. There's articles across the board on the vaccine debate. I think its best that you make your choices based on your own research and what is best for you because I don't feel like I would want any one else advising me what to do with my own child on this personal of a decision, it should really be your decision.
Good Luck.

Sarah - posted on 03/07/2010

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i completely respect your decisions, and in some part agree with you. but honestly, if you are so sure of your decision, than why are you even posting the question on here? i think you need to stop and consider that maybe you are not so sure of yourself, because if you truly had no doubts, then what anyone else had to say was irrelevant, and you wouldnt be on a website full of moms asking for their opinions.

i am originally from canada, and trust me, disease is not unheard of there, especially with the high rate of immigration from countries that DO NOT VACCINATE! there is a reason why these diseases have been ALMOST completely erased from developped countries, and it is simply because we vacinate our children regularly against them.

i am unsure of vaccinations, but could never have lived with myself if i had not gotten my daughter vaccinated and she had been the exception, and not the rule.

Karen - posted on 03/07/2010

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I do NOT doubt there is a genetic link. I should clarify: 15% of autism has been PROVEN to be genetics. I suspect at least 50% of it is genetic, but we don't know and we still don't know what the causes/triggers of the other 85% are. I have seen so many kids on the spectrum and I have been noticing there are some distinct "groups", if you will. One group LOOKS like they could all be related, even though they are not and are from different ethnic backgrounds. Other "groups" would be the ones that were inconsolable from birth and rarely sleep, the "regressives", and some that are behaviorally similar. I believe the "groups" will all have some biological things that are the same--whether it is glutathione production, genes, allergies, etc. I think FINDING the cause/trigger will help with treating and possibly curing it. Again, I don't advocate NEVER vaccinating--just holding off and spacing out the vaccines, at least until they know more. Heck--I JUST got a tetanus booster 6 months ago--and they apparently threw in the pertussis--even though I had pertussis 3 yrs. prior. I had no idea, until I read "The Vaccine Book", what was in vaccines and how they were made. I will be giving that book as a baby shower gift from now on, just so parents can be made aware and make an INFORMED choice--not be pressured by docs, society, etc.
I was never given that "choice" and was lucky that my son is "only" ADD w/o hyperactivity. But I am also beginning to believe that ADD is the lowest end of the spectrum. Science just isn't working fast enough, are they? :)

Iridescent - posted on 03/07/2010

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Karen, yes, part of the article does state that the Amish do vaccinate; so how do you explain why their autism rates are STILL so much higher than in general society? Are they doing it to their kids on purpose? No. My quote was

"Also, so many people have the false belief that the Amish don't have any autistic kids, and they don't vaccinate, so that proves their point. It's totally wrong!"

which states it is a wrong belief anyway, so the article still does support my point.



There is a family here with 14 children. EVERY one is autistic, yet they haven't found "their" genetic link. Do you have any doubt there is one? Not me! Not them! They KNOW it is genetic at this point!



My daughter has a disease known to be genetic (ornithine transcarbamylase deficiency). They can't find her gene. They can't find the gene 25-33% of the time. Does this mean it's not genetic? Nope, it's proven it always is. Medicine is just simply not advanced enough yet to find it. Not every single thing can be found on the gene map yet. Even with the gene mapped out, scientists don't yet know what constitutes abnormal, and why some children have severe symptoms and others have none. I have the same gene defect as my daughter, proven because I'm a carrier of the same disease. Why am I still alive? Nobody knows. My sister also has the same disease, full blown. Why? And they can't find her gene, either. There is not one disease that shows the gene defect 100% of the time. Even Down Syndrome can be a false negative because of the rates of mosaicism!



There IS a link to vaccines and autism. But it is ONLY in a specific group.

1 - mitochondrial disease (which we have). It ONLY happens in kids with this

2 - viral infection at the SAME TIME as the vaccines

3 - vaccinations

Because of this, we have to space vaccines, but we STILL use them. My daughter is in the highest risk group there is, and we still use them in a timely manner. Not doing so is putting your children's lives at risk.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirb...

Lucy - posted on 03/07/2010

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@ KAREN- I'm with you on chickenpox, when my kids had it (we are not routinely offered the vaccine in the UK) lots of the mums in my village said we should have had a chickenpox party so their kids could get it over with too!

Although I strongly disagree with you about the rate of inherited autism (I believe it is much higher, but may not be as severe in parents therefore is undiagnosed) thanks for clarifying that vaccines could be considered a trigger rather than a cause. There is definitely more room for research in this area, and in the mean time if a genetic predisposition is known, spacing makes sense.

It just frustrates me that for so many years other research into autism was underfunded and considered secondary because it was eclipsed by the sensationalist nonsense conjured up by one UK doctor with a financial interest in undermining the MMR. He was after all trying to develop his own vaccine to rival it.

Karen - posted on 03/07/2010

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Amy--in the article you referenced it says. "The idea that the Amish don't vaccinate is untrue"--so that negates the whole story. They DO vaccinate and they DO have autism.

Karen - posted on 03/07/2010

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I agree that there is a percentage of autism etc. that is inherited--I have triplets on my caseload that have never been vaccinated and 2 are on the spectrum. I believe that vaccines are a TRIGGER for some of those who are genetically predisposed. Only 15% of autism is genetically related. So 85% they STILL don't know what is causing it. These kids are going to be adults and our society is going to have to take care of them. I'm not saying DON'T vaccinate--I'm saying wait the first year and then SPACE them out. Get SINGLE vaccinations, not the multiples (DPT, MMR, ). There is a LOT of stuff in the vaccines that just seem unnatural to put into those little bodies and a lot of docs don't account for weight--if your child is due for the 2 month shot--he will get the same 2 month shot as every other 2 month old, even though he may be in the 10th percentile. Going back "100 years" is ridiculous. 100 years ago they didn't have antibiotics to take care of the infections. MOST of these diseases can be attended to, now, because of modern medicine. Autism cannot. And a SEVERELY autistic child is just as hard to watch as one with tetanus--which can be treated and cured. I was one of those "crazy moms" that exposed my son to chickenpox on purpose so he would catch the virus and be immune. (There wasn't a vaccine then, but I still wouldn't vaccinate for that--it has to be redone every 10 years and when they get in their 20's and forget about it and THEN catch it, it is far more severe.)

Cassie - posted on 03/07/2010

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Ann, when you breastfeed your baby, it is true that your child takes on the antibodies that your body has created BUT when you stop breastfeeding, those antibodies stop being passed onto the infant and are no longer effective. I breastfed my daughter for 16 months and during those months she was able to receive wonderful antibodies and immunities from me but I am no longer passing those on to her and she needs protection just like all other babies and children who are not breastfeeding.

Karen - posted on 03/07/2010

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I HAD pertussis 3 years ago--it is coming back because the immunization is wearing off--RESEARCH! I am 50 and had the pertussis vaccination as a child, as did my sister. We BOTH (in different states and without seeing each other or knowing) had it within months of each other. Last time I went to get a tetanus booster, they were recommending a pertussis addition BECAUSE it is WEARING off. NOT because kids aren't getting immunized!

Ann - posted on 03/07/2010

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hello am a mother of 3 sons who are all healthy and grown up and now having thier own familys i did not agree with vacsinations when my lads were born so they did not have any ,they all are over 6ft in hight and have had mumps measles and all other chilhood infections,it should be left up to the parents of the child when and if the child is given these injectionsand i was taught that if you give breast milk for the first few weeks of life your child will gain all that your bodt has imunised it self against ,,,if you are not ready to get your little one injected yet stop worrying and just enjoy your child when you think its safe do it but only when your ready ,,hope this helps all the best enjoy your child they are great

Kate CP - posted on 03/06/2010

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Karen, pertussis is coming back because people aren't vaccinating their kids. NOT because 40 year olds are spreading the disease. Why is Autism on the rise? Because the spectrum has been broadened and we are better equipped to diagnose the disorder. Lets use an example, shall we?

For example, bipolar disorder is "on the rise". It's not because people are drinking lattes, it's because we better understand the disorder and we know how to diagnose it.

Karen, have you ever SEEN what tetanus can do? Just google "tetanus" and click on images. And tetanus can be contracted from anything by anybody. You should check out the mortality rates for pertussis over the last 100 years to present. You'll see a huge drop when the vaccine was introduced and then, suddenly, a large rise right when the vaccine scare came out. Gee. I wonder why.

Iridescent - posted on 03/06/2010

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Oh, and in regards to Tetanus; YES, I think I'd prefer to have my child get the disease rather than the vaccine! Just look, ONLY an 18% fatality rate, and such great symptoms and treatment!

https://health.google.com/health/ref/Tetanus

ALSO, you get the bonus of knowing EVERY SINGLE PERSON is at risk because it comes from DIRT. And I can't imagine who would let their child around dirt, so a vaccine is just foolish. http://www.who.int/immunization_monitori...

Iridescent - posted on 03/06/2010

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Karen, I have two autistic children. I deal with autistic children in the community every day. I'm one of the founders of our Autism Support Group in our state. And you know what? ALL the parents say to vaccinate! Maybe ask before assuming such a thing. Believe me, I've done the research and then some and know more about it than you can imagine. There is much more genetic link to these diseases than not, and now they've found several genetic causes for autism and are learning to treat it. So maybe you need to get up to date?



Also, so many people have the false belief that the Amish don't have any autistic kids, and they don't vaccinate, so that proves their point. It's totally wrong! They have higher autism rates than anyone else, and it's because of their genetic makeup; they marry closer relatives and have children with them, which causes recessive genes to be passed on and a marked increase in children with autism and other extremely rare birth defects. http://autism.suite101.com/article.cfm/a...

Karen - posted on 03/06/2010

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The chances of a child, who is not out in public much, their first year, to get one of these diseases is nil. There are almost no cases of ANY of these and MOST of them can be survived. I had measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis, chickenpox and survived with no ill effects. However, there is no PROOF that vaccines DON'T cause autism because they still don't know what does. To put a vaccine in a day old infant is absurd, in my opinion. My son was lucky that he was born the year BEFORE they started doing that. He is almost 20, but had I known THEN, what I know now, he would've not had ANY vaccines until after his first birthday and then only oral polio. My son is NOT autistic, but I have worked with children on the autism spectrum for 10 years and I do believe there is SOMETHING that is triggering it in MOST of them. Until they find out what that is, I'd wait. READ "The Vaccine Book" before you make a decision. And if you HAVEN'T read it, you need to get educated about what exactly they are injecting into your babies.

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If you REFUSE to immunise her then why are you asking the question?

And how long do you plan to breastfeed for?

But personally, it's not worth the risk. It's better to get it done sooner rather than later, my 4yr old just got her last lot done and it was much easier on her when she was yonger than now when she know's what's going on.

And Dree, I empathise what you're saying, but it has now been proved that immunisation DOES NOT cause autism x

Tara - posted on 03/06/2010

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Our kids get exposed to infectious diseases on a regular basis. If we take our kids with us anywhere, they are at risk of being exposed. I also live in Canada and there have been a number of recent outbreaks of disease in rural areas.
The most recent (as far as I know) was in the west kootenay area (here is the link to the story: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbi...). BTW, of the 14 cases reported, 13 of them were in non-immunized children.
The only way we develop healthy and strong immune systems is by being exposed to these diseases and either not catching them or catching a milder version of them due to immunization. My kids are both vaccinated and I would rather they were vaccinated and had a reaction than not be vaccinated and risk their deaths if they caught something like whooping cough.

Kate CP - posted on 03/05/2010

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*bangs head on desk* Just because a child doesn't go to daycare doesn't mean they aren't exposed to infectious diseases on a daily basis. Unless the child lives in a bubble she's exposed to disease. And, by the way, in order for an immune system to get strong it has to be EXPOSED to stuff. The safest way to do that without the child actually getting sick is to...drum roll...VACCINATE.

Sneaky - posted on 03/04/2010

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:o) When my first daughter was four months old she, myself and my husband were exposed to chicken pox - my friends four year old son came out in spots just a few days after visiting us.

Fortunately, when we were planning to get pregnant I had a bunch of blood tests done and found out my chicken pox vaccine had worn off so I got a booster (two actually since the first one did not seem to work) and because I was immune (antibodies titres done at my first antenatal appointment proved that) and was fully breast feeding we knew that my daughter would 'probably' be covered by my immunity. My husband however had to have an immunization booster right away in an effort to make any infection less severe. After that the doctor YELLED at me for a while because my friends child had not been immunized, and then pointed out that my daughters protection from breast feeding would start wearing off when she started solid foods at around six months of age and she could not be vaccinated for chicken pox until she was 18 months old.

The moral of this story, for me at least, is: If your child is not vaccinated, keep it right the hell away from me and my family.

One further note - I am in Australia and and there is actually a whooping cough epidemic going on. Since it is so dangerous for newborns to catch it typically babies are vaccinated at 2, 4 and 6 months for it, but you can 'fast track' it and have all three injection done six weeks apart instead of waiting for the 2/4/6 month schedule. Since my new bub (due in 11 weeks) has two older sisters in daycare and preschool she will be fast tracked. Oh and yes, my husband and I had our whopping cough vaccination boosters done last year and I will be fully breast feeding the new addition. But why should I take a risk with my baby daughters life?

Does this count as constructive feedback????

Lucy - posted on 03/04/2010

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I'm not sure about Canada, but due to low uptake of the MMR for the last few years here in the UK there have been many outbreaks of measles and I've also come across quite a few cases of mumps. Just a couple of weeks ago there was a thread started on here by a mum whose son had mumps.

Luckily, due to the total discrediting of (and possible criminal charges against) the UK doctor who came up with all the bull about a link with autism, attitudes are changing and hopefully uptake of the vaccine will grow again.

It is important to realise that diseases we see as rare nowadays are only so rare because of vaccination programs. If people do not vaccinate, the disease will rear it's ugly head again, putting at risk unvaccinated children, and those who are too young to have had the vaccine yet.

Of course, the antibodies you provide your daughter with in your breast milk give her more protection than she would have on formula, but you will not find a single medical professional who would claim it replaces the need for vaccinations.

I have read some almost convincing (at least well meaning) arguments against vaccination by some mums on COM, but "I'm just not ready" is not one of them.

Carmel - posted on 03/04/2010

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As a midwife, child and family health nurse & mother I would say Immunise now. Breastfeeding doesn't help or hinder your child when immunisations are concerned but the fatality rate of children who have not been immunised is increasing. diseases that were thought to be all but gone & reappearing because of people not wanting to immunise their child. Do it now & she'll thank you for it later

Joanna - posted on 03/04/2010

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These are simple diseases people are listing here.... Even with the worst case scenario... would you rather your child get autism, or die from some painful but preventable death like polio? (yes I know it's what if, but just look at all the information people are posting).

Andrea - posted on 03/03/2010

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Just last year there were cases of mumps reported in Canada. On the news tonight (in Canada) they were warning people to get vaccinated. Polio is still being reported in many countries and all it takes is one person to bring it here. Diseases also affect people in small towns. Also, the report that linked Autism and the MMR shot has been retracted.

Dree - posted on 03/03/2010

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Being the parent of an Autistic child...This is a tough subject for me. I am not totally against immunizing children. But in the next breath I'm not totally for it. Do your research online. Learn the facts. Learn the pros and cons!!!!! Then decide from there

Kate CP - posted on 03/03/2010

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Lemme get this straight. You know this is a bad idea, you know it's not safe, and yet for no specific reason you just decided to go ahead with your plan to NOT immunize your daughter?

Why the hell did you even post this thread? Just to stir up crap?

Melissa - posted on 03/03/2010

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Thanks for the comments, however i live pretty organically and I appreciate your opinions but I just dont feel comfortable giving my baby girl any needles yet. Maybe one day but not yet. There is no specific reason other than I am just not ready. She is safe we live in a smaller town in canada. Also the last case of polio or mumps, does anyone even truely know???? Again, thank you for all your insight. But I also read on other things than just what the cpa or the apa says. My midwife provided me with some good info that can counter attack all of it but again thank you

Abbie - posted on 03/01/2010

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I would NOT trust that my child be protected from only breast milk. I think its a huge risk to take. No where is there a food that protects against Polio or mumps, so I don't see how breastfeeding can guard against those types of disease.

Kate CP - posted on 03/01/2010

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Your own personal immunizations from when you were a child have probably worn off. Therefor, you are not providing all the antibodies via your breast milk that your baby needs. Get her vaccinated for diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis if nothing else. That will save her life.

Bellamie - posted on 03/01/2010

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The New York Times has reported that the Journal of Medicine that first proposed the idea that vaccines cause autism has retracted that claim so please don't worry about that. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/health...

Also, the reason rates of autism have gone up in recent years is because autistic spectrum disorders are now being classified under the autism umbrella. And last year the magazine Wired published a really good article about why we should vaccinate our children. http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff...

I hope this is helpful.

Bellamie - posted on 03/01/2010

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Breastfeeding cannot offer your daughter the protection that immunizations do. Infant mortality has gone down almost entirely because of immunizations. The potential side effects from immunization are so minor compared to the very real mortality rate for children who contract the diseases they prevent. I totally understand that you want to know more about medications before you give them to your children but please make sure you do the research and talk to a pediatrician that you trust. If you don't like your current doctor switch them ASAP.

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