is it normal for a 2 old to pass out doc said its a faze but im realy worried

Letitia - posted on 04/11/2010 ( 18 moms have responded )

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my 2 year old when she gets realy upset she passes out and start swallowing her tongue im realy worried is there any 1 who has any advice or is dealing with the same problem please get back to me i dont no what to do

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Morgan - posted on 02/01/2012

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Get some information on 'breath holding spells'. while some information out there is good, most of it is bad. I listed some good links. My own son was just about to turn two, ran around a table, fell, and hit his head. He instantly started crying, then froze up, stopped breathing, went stiff, then limp, and was very tired when he awoke. He did this three additional times, all of which he hit his head prior. We went to the ER each time and finally got a referral to a neurologist. They completed an EEG which will show up any abnormal brain activity. FYI-abnormal brain activity means seizure activity, normal brain activity means no seizure. it's fairly easy for them to tell the difference. After talking in depth with the neurologist, I found that it was simply breath holding spells. It's the same idea as those that actually faint at the sight of a needle. It's an unconscious response to something around them-in my son's case- a nice hit on the head. He hasn't done it since right around the early 2yrs and he's 2.5 yrs now.



There are some good resources on the breath holding spells and some real idiots out there. It is NOT a voluntary action and can't simply be ignored to make it go away-some websites AND doctors actually suggest that it is like a tantrum! So good luck and you can always email me if you want more information.



And there's two types-one in which the child turns blue and one in which the child turns pale. Same types of responses-different stimuli is believed to be the cause.



http://www.webmd.com/parenting/tc/breath...



http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/...



http://www.drgreene.com/qa/breath-holdin...

Iridescent - posted on 04/12/2010

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonic%E2%80...
"Once the convulsions begin, the seizure must simply run its course. No attempt to restrain the person should be made because of the risk of injury to either party. Instead, reduce the risk of injury by placing something soft under the person's head and try to prevent the person's limbs and body from bumping into walls or other objects. If the person vomits, the person's head should be placed to the side to allow the vomit to run out of the mouth without blocking the airway. Nothing should ever be placed into the person's mouth, as this can cause the person to bite their tongue, choke or injure the person placing the object into their mouth. Contrary to popular belief, it is not possible for someone having a seizure to swallow their tongue. The frenulum linguae prevents this. In this state however the tongue may obstruct the person's breathing."

Iridescent - posted on 04/12/2010

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Letitia, what you're describing is not a tantrum in any way. Stop prying her mouth open - again, she can't swallow her tongue, and if this is a seizure as it sounds like, she can't breathe regardless of where her tongue is. When it happens, call your emergency service and get her to a hospital for an EEG. Seizures need treatment, and you need medicine on hand and training for how to use it at home. You also need training for how to provide care for her during one, if that's what this is. So next time it happens -
1 - turn her on her side or lay her on a carpet not close to toys
2 - wait it out and call emergency services immediately
3 - demand an EEG
No more messing with her mouth. You will hurt her and/or yourself and not help anything.

Letitia - posted on 04/12/2010

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its when she has a tantrum yes but it not like holding her breath it happenes in a split second one min she is crying and the next min she is out for the count she will be standin her whole body goes stiff as a board and by the time she is on the floor her hole body starts fitting and she gets a lock jaw and we litrally have to prize her jaw open and push her toung to the bottom of her mouth till she gets a breath and then she will be realy quiet and mummy fied for the rest of the day im scared to leave her with other people incase she douse it and they dont no wat to do and she dont wake up

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That's right Amy, you can't swallow your tongue. As you say, it's not physically possible. But people having seizures often LOOK as if they're swallowing their tongue. That's why this old wives' tale of putting something in the mouth developed - but don't do it.

Letitia, I hope we're not scaring you - hopefully it is only a phase, but I'd be getting her checked out.

Iridescent - posted on 04/11/2010

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You can not swallow your tongue. Try it! It's not physically possible. The saying of people "swallowing their tongue" during a seizure is also a myth, and as such, even during seizures you NEVER put something in the victim's mouth to prevent a non-existent problem.

Holding your breath and passing out is quite common in a 2 year old. It is a phase, and making a big deal out of it is making it happen more and more as it gives her the attention she wants from it. Best way to deal - ignore her. Let her pass out. Go over to her and make sure she starts breathing again (should without difficulty once unconscious). If not, call 911 and do rescue breathing, but if she does, get up and walk away. No hugs, no attention, no rewards. She'll quit real fast.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0...
There are about 275,000 other articles on the same issue if you want to take the time to research it yourself.

Tanya - posted on 04/11/2010

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it doesnt sound like a faze at all. i would go and get a second opinion from a different doctor.

Trina - posted on 04/11/2010

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Totally, I didn't mean to scare you at all if I did I am sorry! It just doesn't sound like the tongue swallowing makes it a run of the mill tantrum. Can you tell us some more about what she does when this is happening?

Firebird - posted on 04/11/2010

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I've heard of plenty of kids passing out while throwing a tantrum, that is usually a phase..... but the tongue swallowing part has me concerned. I would definitely get another opinion. It might be a seizure but it might not, they come in all shapes and sizes. My daughter has epilepsy and her seizures are very small, almost unnoticeable.

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It sounds to me as if it's a bit more than a tantrum, especially the tongue swallowing part. It could be epilepsy - please note that I've had epilepsy my whole life, so it's the first thing I think of, so this might colour my reactions! I'd take your toddler to a doctor to discuss the situation. It might be necessary to get a second opinion, or see a specialist. If it turns out to be a phase, that's good, if it turns out to be something that needs a bit more investigation, it's good to know you've started early. Your peace of mind is important.

Karen - posted on 04/11/2010

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i've looked after a few children who have had a little bit of "stubbornness" in them and would hold their breath until they passed out if they didn't get what they wanted. in all cases the parents went to the dr and they were all told it was a phase and not to worry they would grow out of it and with all of them they did stop within about a year of starting it. if you know that it only happens when she's angry/upset then i wouldn't be too concerned but if you need peace of mind just go talk with her dr.

Nicole - posted on 04/11/2010

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I believe this is normal. My mother in law said that when my husband was little.. he used to hold his breath, turn blue and pass out if he didn't get his own way.. the dr told her it was ok and just a phase.. he did it all the time and he's fine now haha I married him! hope this helps.. but if you are concerned I def think you should visit your dr.. just to be sure!

Breanna - posted on 04/11/2010

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If shes doing this often I dont think its a faze, I think you should see a few doctors and see what everyone of them has to say. While one may say its a faze, one may tell you what is wrong and help you.

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