Is there any ex Jehovah wittness on here???

Kirsty - posted on 02/04/2010 ( 181 moms have responded )

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Was wondering if there is any ex JW's on here? I have am studying with them at the moment.

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Penny - posted on 02/04/2010

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I am an ex-JW. And yes they do disfellowship people and no you aren't suppose to talk to them anymore "bad associations spoil useful habits". No I wasn't disfellowshipped, I left on my own, in my opinion it is a man's religion, they want to be in control of everything. When my husband, also a witness, cheated on me and beat me up because I refused to put up with it, I talked to the elders about it... their main question was "What did I do to make him hit me?" I am sorry but I don't care what you "did" no one has the right to hit you. I did nothing but tell him this was not acceptable behavior and that I was leaving. I talked to them three times over this and they just kept asking me what I could do to make it better for him so he wouldn't feel like hitting me. HELLO? you are not suppose to hit people you love. I was not disfellowshipped and neither was he, we both left the religion and have worked through our problems and are still together for 35 yrs. That was 25 yrs ago and NONE of them will associate with me and I had some dear friends (I thought) while I was a practicing witness for 10 yrs. They do tell you "be no part of the world" that means you don't celebrate any holidays, no political things, ie voting, striving to be successful if it takes time away from your religion. I wasn't raised as a witness, I became one when I was 19. They do have a lot of things that were good, but the control of your whole life is not for me. God made us as individuals with free will. I do believe in God, but I don't believe he has a set pattern that we are to follow or we will be forever banned from his love. God is LOVE, would a loving God discard any of his children???? I don't think so.

User - posted on 02/08/2010

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i was raised a JW..it IS cult like...brainwashing, judgemental hypocrites. If anyone had a brain for themselves they honestly would see the flaws.

And if you baby is on its death bad and you refuse life saving blood becasue you think its "grose" then your should give up your rightfull name as a parent. A parent will do ANYTHING for there child..its our GOD GIVEN instinct.

And I hope all you peple who believe the non blood thing are vegetarian or they are hypocrites as well.

Eva - posted on 02/06/2010

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MY best friend is studying JW, so we talk about this alot, here are a few things i have noticed and think should be thought about long and hard, first of all u need to study with other people, not just jw's but find a preacher from another church, i did my reserch on jws, when my friend started studying with them, heres what i found..... FOUNDER: Charles taze russell (1852-1916) has a chance contact with wm, miller followers is 1868, who believes in return of christ, they formed a bible study group of 6 members, in 1879 published ZION'S WATCHTOWER AND HERALD OF CHRIST'S PRESENCE, ( so they wrote their on bible now?) now the watchtower is in more than 132 languages, STRUCTURE: world headquarters in brooklyn new york, ( far as im concerned i believe there is one HEAD of the Church and that Christ himself! Ephesians 5: 23) the organization called "Jehovah's witnesses" did not exist until 1931, ok so here are some things to think about and study on, my friend does not believe in HELL! if only u look at the bible u can see, Hell is real and hot and eternal, God promises punishment to the wicked Romans 2: 6-11, Everlasting fire Matt 25; 41, Either everlasting punishment or life eternal, Mat 25; 46, those not written in the book of life will be cast into the second death where they will be tormented day and night forever and ever< rev. 20; 14-15, 10..... wicked tormented with fire and brimstone and have no rest day or night rev 14:10-11, GOD lives forever and ever Rev 4:9 and torment is forever and ever rev 20:10 Jesus spoke of hell more than anyone else in the bible, place of unquenchable thirst Mk 9: 43-48 greater destruction than the death of the body Matt. 10:28, ok so Earth will remain forever? what about 2 peter 3 :4-13 Present earth will disolve new realm of habitation for the righteous...HEAVEN, 1 peter 1:4 not just 144,000 'elect class" of Jws doctrine, Rev. 7: 1-4 and 7:9-17, great multitudes in heaven, so QUESTIONS for the Jws?????? What name did GOD give his people in the gospel age? CHRISTIAN OR JW? Acts 11; 26 answers the ? is Gods only name Jehovah? isa. 9:6; Matt 28:19, what must i do to be saved? Mark 16:16: acts 2: 38: 22:16, Did christ build the JW organization? Matt 16:18: Acts2:47: phil.1:1 does the soul or spirit survive death? Matt 10:28: luke 16: 19-31 Will all christians go to heaven or must some stay on earth forever and is punishment in hell eternal? Matt 25:46"1 peter 1:1-5, u see there are alot of things that my best friend says she doesnt understand about any religion, and the truth is u will never understand it all, im one of these people who would look at all my options and dont take someones word for it, u need to study the bible for urself, and make sure that what someone is telling u will not be taking away or adding to the bible, when my friend asks why would a loving God punish his children? Well, when my child misbehaves i punish him, no not with fire, but a time out does a fair punishment, we are also talking about a five year old, and not a grow human that knows better, plus it flat out says it in the bible, THERE IS A HELL and they deny it still! she even tells me that she just doesnt want to believe there is a hell, just because it doesnt make her feel like shes such a sinner, well, im a sinner, we all are sinners, its the grace of God that are washed from our sins by Jesus Christ! this is what i would advise, Please just study hard on the scriptures and remember that if it says its point blank in the bible it means it, no the bible will not contradict its self, people make it seem like it does, but God is right! u will have a diferent view than others, so remember to focus on what u think the scripture means and not what someone tells u, i would look at a church like church of christ, which i understand better, the church of christ (not the church of christ of laterday saints) but the true CHURCH of Christ, goes by the bible! flat out, tell it like it is! furthermore, study with both, im working with my friend and she truly doesnt believe all the ways a Jw believes, and im not trying to bash her or any other JWs out here, i love her, shes a good person, and she will alway be a great friend, no matter what her thoughts on this is, but i just want u to look at everything! happy studying! hope this helps, and hope o dont offend anyone.

Beth - posted on 02/04/2010

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JW is sort of considered a cult..
A religion or group that asks it's members to separate themselves from others is a HUGE red flag for being s cult.

If only 144K can get into heaven.. ummm what happens to the rest to the "good" JWs?
(red flag ) Members are never to criticize the assembly and adhere to all doctrine without question. (red flag) They are expected to limit social contact with Non-members. (cult red flag) They are discouraged from socializing with other religion groups. During the resurrection, you must pass a test to get into heaven.. If you leave the JW you are leaving "God's Organization" and joining the Anti-Christ. (Holy crap). Anyone who leaves is shunned, and that includes your family etc.

That just screams of a cult. Separate yourself from others, don't socailize with folks who will have a different way of life, Attend all meetings, Do as we say and don't question anything. They don't promote higher education, b/c remember the world is ending soon. The more educated the members are the more they may start to question the crazy things being asked of them. Subjects in school like Humanities, social science and biology "threaten the Witness worldview" Want some kool aid too?

My God doesn't work that way. We are here to love and grow as soulful beings. I don't think God had time to cares about all the little rules and stuff. That's man's take on what he thinks God wants. How would any of us really know what God wants?

http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/...

Good luck.. Just look at both sides.. and be wary.

Varinia - posted on 02/04/2010

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I do have childran, a daughter of 3 and a son of 15months, and a third one on the way.



How do they go??? Uhm..well, My daughter is the only one so far attending school and she just goes to an ordenairy school. we talked to the teacher about our believes and agreed on alternatives...When a kid has a birthday and brings candy to the class, Lysaania (my daughter) stays in that class. I know others who told the teacher to send their kids to another class when something like that was going on and thats their free choice of raising their kids...as for me...I knew myself as a kid, and if something was "forbidden" sure enough I would want it, so we make no big deal out of it, we explain how she doesn't celebrate but let her attend the singing? We told the teacher not to push her nor punisch her... as in, if she doesn't sing along, thats great, so don't make her sing, if she does sing along, don't punish her for it. She is going to be confronted with those holidays sooner or later, I can't shield her from the world and many told me to homeschool her but I'm not really one to do that. She needs the expieriance, how will she when growing up explain her believes if she doesn't interact with people.... With christmas when they have to make drawings she made a snowman instead of sante, she made a trea but instead of a christmas candl in it she got a golden duck (her symbol in school)...only when obvious things come round I keep her home... Like santa claus (something celebrated here on the 6th of december, differant from santa) he came to visit the school, so I kept her home, same with santa visiting the school, I kept her home. Next week they are celebrating carnival on wednesday and thursday so those days I'll keep her home again, but she's making masks along with the rest of the kids....to her it are just masks....she doesn't understand.



WIth christmas she said, look at the christmastrea when we were at my nans house....she said: its pretty.....I asked her if it was, and she said yes....I said: it is pretty but actually its just a trea with lights in it....so now she says: look at the trea with the lights, we attach no meaning to what she sees....



When a kid brought candy to the class she takes it home with her and I ask her who's it from and she talks about it but she doesn't understand the meaning of it, she turned 3 on the 29th of november, she just went o school....nothing special happened, and she doesn't realizes it....at the end of the year ofcourse we'll let her tak candy to school so she doesn't feel left out....and its to thank the teacher and the kids for the nice year she had... you see, we bring alternatives, last summer we gave her - I am going to school for the first time party - family and friends were invited, she got gifts etc...so its a party, she'll see she wont have to do without anything.....when her nephew talks about easter he talks about the chocolate and all she hears is chocolate and she gets that at home... So...She doesn,'t see the link to easter and chocolate = missing out...because who needs easter for chocolate...???



We just give alternatives....on the 3th of april we are having a happy together, an annual get together for family and friends.....



Once she gets older I'll reason with her as to WHY we don't celebrate, but so far she doesn't even realises it.....and this weekend we're going to the theater for the first time with her to see the princesse and the frog....which to us is a big deal...you see, we make EVERY occasion an important one =)

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Virinia is your typical die hard JW. Talks the talk but won't walk the walk as the saying goes. This is just the normal cult mentality, they do all the talking and those who question them are wicked and just trying to have a "heated discussion ". This is the common tactic used to avoid having to answer uncomfortable questions or face the reality of their religion's buried secrets. She will openly come out with her accusations against you, so that this " distraction " tactic will mislead people from the fact that she refuses to answer any questions or be truthful when called out on the religions bad side. Oh and don't be upset she used the next typical tactic of "Ex JW sites" because that's another weak cop out they like to brainwash into followers to scare them into not questioning the religion and it's teachings and it's very common they choose that excuse over explanation. :)

Also, for the record, most "ex JW sites" are ones such as silentlambs and sites promoting support, protection and security for abused JW children who have nobody to turn to because JWs made it a strict rule victims cannot contact authorities when they are sexually , physically or mentally abused etc. so if Virinia like she says really thinks nobody wants to read the "garbage" on those sites well that really shows the type of hostile, heartless person SHE really is.

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I'm so sorry for your loss. I am in the same boat as you and what you said explained things perfectly! Growing up I had to sneak out of my home to see my friends who were good kids but were told by my parents that they were "bad associations" simply because they wouldn't become JWs... Even as a small child I couldn't fathom that line of thinking. And I grew up around the unpleasant JW kids who could fathom it, and I can tell you who the true "Bad associations" were and it definitely wasn't my "worldly" friends, that's for sure.

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Men uneducated and unable to read , write or speak Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew "translated" it and there are MANY scriptures that are inaccurate and mistranslated in the NWT bible. None of those men who translated it had any degree or education in those languages, so the translation is flimsy at best and has in fact been proven one of the most inaccurate. It's right up there with the King James Bible with all it's falsely translated verses which the JWs copied into their own bibles. It's best to do thorough research before sending out information. This religion needs to be taken very seriously and for those of us who know it inside and out after over 20 years can speak for it. People don't just dedicate that much time of their lives to something "just because", no.... We ex JWs dedicated our all and what we say is God's honest truth now. We've been there: We've lost family, loved ones, years of our lives and friends because of this religion. Because we knew in our hearts something wasn't right, things didn't add up or make sense. The disfellowshipping and the JW backstabbing gossips forced us to refuse to follow that teaching because we are way too compassionate and kind. So, we asked questions. JWs don't like questions. They don't like being faced with answers they can't explain, accept or debate. They hate not being in control of you and the whole situation. They want to do all the talking. You're only allowed to talk if you agree with or follow what they tell you to. If they are faced with a question they don't want to answer or don't want to accept the truth their favorite excuse is to blame it all on the devil. That's their cop out for anything and everything. They actually make followers view their own children as influenced by the devil if they are disfellowshipped.... The most wicked of things in our world and a disfellowshipped person is accused of worshipping the devil if they aren't a JW... Dear God I really hope this girl cuts off studies with this religion. I can't even sum up all the wrong in that religion in just one comment.

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Your friend is very correct. JWs to a T. The majority mistreat people even family members and children. It's actually the "norm" and common because this is the golden rule JWs are taught to live by. Their every waking minute if daily life is strictly dictated by the Governing Body in New York.... It's disturbing.

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I was born a Catholic, but my parents converted to Jehovahs Witnesses when I was a little girl so our JW families would talk to them and accept them. I spent 20+ years in the JW religion and NO I would not study with them or go back. EVER. I have been shunned for years now by my family because I left the religion about 8 years ago. Some of my family actually stalks my every move online as well and continues to harass me for no reason at all. There are a lot of mental and psychological problems with people in that religion I have noticed, and the abuse of family and kids is sickening. It's their strict rule that if a child is abused or molested that no one is allowed to go to the proper authorities and basically the perp is left Scott free to do it again and without discipline or paying for their crimes. This is actually written in a special rule book the Governing Body keeps under covers away from their followers. It's a religion for the desperate, gullible and the blind. Please think long and hard before progressing in that cult further. It's the equivalent to Jim Jones' congregation. I'm not kidding.

Renae - posted on 02/12/2010

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I have to admit that what Wolfie says is true. JW's have a book of responses to give when people argue their beliefs when they are witnessing (doorknocking).



The best advice I give people when JW's come knocking is say "no thankyou" and shut the door, do not wait for a response, it is the ONLY way to deal with them.



Though, please dont abuse them. For the most part they knock on doors day after day, year after year, with no thanks but abuse and doors slammed in their faces, just waiting for that one person who might listen who they can save. My mother has been knocking on doors for 40 YEARS! She knocks on doors because she REALLY TRUELY GENUINELY believes that you will die if she doesn't and she is really doing it out of the goodness of her heart. No matter how misguided it may be, to her it is very real and she thinks she is trying to save your life. So just say "no" and shut the door.



I have had people ask me how to get rid of them because they are visiting every other week and I always respond, "you have been arguing or talking with them haven't you! You have been put on a callback as someone who is interested, STOP talking to them!". So if you dont want them knocking all the time... dont argue with them! LOL :)

User - posted on 02/11/2010

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yup...there is a circle and they are taught NOT to think outside it...they are brainwashed into one track thinking!!! They cant see COMMON sense...and you know how you can tell...you can debate on a subject and they ALL have the same answers...cause thats what they are "taught" not what there brains have come to have common sense about

User - posted on 02/11/2010

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Ask anyone who their elders (leaders) are. They don't allow women among them. That alone makes warning signs going off in my head. Every cult has always been only male orientated. And behold this, my good friends:

the JWs are taught "religously" to never take NO for an answer. For everything you can say against them they are taught to have an answer to combat that. And if you are not too hip on the Bible's teachings they got you licked because they know the book. Should you however know the book equally well you will find that for everything in favour of, there is somewhere in there against. With this, they can play you forever and ever and ever. Do please learn to find God personally with no middlemen to interfere in this. How long ago was this JW religion formed? That's also how long they have been telling you that the end of the world is just around the corner!. And it is still here isn't it. Do they ever try to scare people into compliance with this Armageddon nonsense. In another post I will tell you a true story which might open your eyes a bit more yet. Not enough time just now though.

User - posted on 02/11/2010

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And i agree with Renae...if you are going to devote your life to something...SHOP around...delve deep. If you were buying a car or house you would do the same wouldnt you?? Then if its your life and heart i would be REALLLY dong your research..

User - posted on 02/11/2010

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And i agree with Renae...if you are going to devote your life to something...SHOP around...delve deep. If you were buying a car or house you would do the same wouldnt you?? Then if its your life and heart i would be REALLLY dong your research..

User - posted on 02/11/2010

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Kati what a fantastic responce!!!

RELIGION is bound for FAILURE!!! It is MAN MADE...MAN is imperfect...pretty simple really. With SOOOOO many out there claiming to be the RIGHT one...certaintly god would understand that we WOULDNT know ehich one is actually right...and if he is a god of love surely he wouldnt want bad for us because we didnt know which one was right...it WOULDNT make sense!!! Do the best you can for yourselves and others and that will make you a better person then 99% of religious people i know :D

Renae - posted on 02/11/2010

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Hi Kristy,



Sorry I haven't gotten back to you for a few days, but I have been thinking about you.



So, we have established that you believe in God and believe that the truth is out there (oh dear isn't that a line from the x-files!) and you want to find it? Is that about right? Lets just first be clear that you are sure of one thing - you believe in and want to serve/have a relationship with God.



If this is the case, maybe you would benefit from some research? Why dont you visit a few churches and read a few books and see what "feels" right? The JW's should, if they are doing what they are supposed to, allow you this freedom because they believe it will show you that they have the truth and that you will come back. And if that is the case then so be it. I think maybe you need to see what's out there?

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To Sandra Carter

What you described your friend went through is what happens in the JW's. During the period of time during which the person is disfellowshipped they do have to prove that they are genuinely sorry and really want to come back. While they are disfellowshipped they are expected to attend all meetings, come just as it starts, leave as soon as it ends and sit at the back. Usually the congregation does not talk to them but the elders will talk to them to ask how they are doing. It is announced to the congregation and surrounding congregations that the person has been disfellowshipped however there are no details given about what they did.



Once they have proven themselves (usually 6 months to one year) they are reinstated back in and it is at this time that the congregation is instructed to welcome them back and treat them as normal.



I remember a women in our congregation was disfellowshipped for having a one night stand with a stranger and became pregnant. She was disfellowshipped for 6 months. She expressed to the elders that she was feeling very lonely and my mother and some other sisters were asked by the elders to visit her but they were not allowed to discuss what she did wrong or discuss the religion, they could talk about other things and generally keep her company. Us kids who were friends with her daughter were still allowed to see her, go to her house and have her come to us, so our parents still had some contact organising the kids.



Basically the JW view is you cant just do something you know is wrong and expect to say sorry and it's all ok. Then what is the point of having morals if you can just break them whenever you like and just go "oh opps, sorry". JW's are highly moral and expect their principles to be upheld and taken very seriously by their members. I have carried this with me into adulthood, in matters of morality there are no excuses and I can never understand why people dont think of the consequences before doing things. That's what you get for being raised JW, I'm very tough on people!

Melody - posted on 02/11/2010

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wow.. here is my opinion..after reading all these posts on religion..No offense to anyone, or their religion, but i think that religion is why the world has war. people getting to involved in a God or Jehova whatever it is. i dont follow any religion, i just concentrate on being a good mum, partner, and having fun. i think any religion, if you follow it strongly, is controlling or cult like. in my opinion, following something such as a jehova or a god is like watching the sky to see if a pig flies by. i do not believe in a god or a hell or a satan or a heaven. we are just normal people, and god will not save anyone, if you need help or saving, you can only depend upon yourself. i donate blood because i'm ABpositive, which is less common, and hopefully, with my blood being given to someone else, i will save a life one day. but that is real, you will see my blood come out and you can see blood being administered to another person to save their life.. it takes half an hour to donate.. now, after all the hours you people "donate" to religion, in going to church, reading bibles and meeting or door knocking, when is the last time you saw a god/jehova save a life? never? right! coz they dont exist!

Susan - posted on 02/10/2010

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I would like to recommend to any mums interested in reading a very beautiful set of books called the Ringing Cedars of Russia by Vladimir Meagre. I was raised as catholic, but i dont practice any "religion" as such. I was so disgusted by the history of that particular church i ditched it. I have studied several beliefs, JWs, buddism, hinduism,shinto, and then I read the Cedars....I felt I had found what I had been searching for, read them, you may find as I did, clarity, purpose, and a new perspective. As the beatles so aptly put it...Love is all you need...susie

Heather - posted on 02/10/2010

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Please don't do that....how about this...pray that God would show you what faith you should follow. Try that.. If you are already questioning it...think about it...something on the inside is saying, something here isn't right. They are on the right track but something isn't right. When you go to the meetings, do you sense any love? or is it just religion. just teachings, do you have a personal relationship with God by doing this?? Think about it.

User - posted on 02/10/2010

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Virinia, with respect, my friend was not exactly welcomed back with love after being disfellowshipped. At first he had to prove himself and at meetings had to sit at the back of the congregation and no one was aloud to speak to him for sometime, it is heartbreaking and humiliating. With respect to you, what you describe happens in your community is not what has happened in his community, quite the opposite, his family was allowed no contact with him, it was a total cut off, but from time to time, they sneakly tried to see him and sent him mail. He also told me of a time when he was dating a girl and someone had told the elders that he and his girlfriend where having a sex outside of marriage, which was not true, they had the humiliation of having to be bought before a body of elders to be questioned and explain themselves, asking deeply personal questions. There are many sexual no-no's in the JW religion, many of which I think wrongly suppresses natural instinct. I know in my friends case and others that I have known this suppression causes sexual hang-ups and not be able to form normal relationships because of fear. There are many more contradictions between his community and yours I wonder if each community has their own set of rules!!

User - posted on 02/10/2010

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Kirsty you don't need to look for a religion, it is inside of you, it is what you feel and what you know to be true, it is the love you give and receive. We all have our own god and our religion, we all percieve things a little differently, so it is individual to all of us. You don't need to go to church or bible study to pray or find god. Our body is our Temple, god lives within us.

User - posted on 02/10/2010

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Seriously keep away from them they will brainwash you and fill your head with lies. I am close to an ex JW and they have ruined his life and many others too. They prey on vunerable people, reel them in, but further down the line if you start to question them, or what an opinion that is different from theirs, the whole family and congregation will turn their back on you and act like you don't exist. There is no real love in their hearts. Get out while you can, this so called religion is damaging. Good luck whatever you decide.

Penny - posted on 02/10/2010

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I am a former Jehovah's Witness. Ask whatever you want and I'll answer honestly.

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Varinia, I am also one of Jehovah's Witnesses and just wanted to let you know i thought you did an excellent job explaining! Not easy to do in just a few words!

Renae - posted on 02/10/2010

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Cynthia,



JW's read the bible (over and over and over!) as part of daily readings they do and while in meetings (church). They also study JW books written about what they believe the bible says. The books constantly refer to the bible so to read them you go back and forth between the book and the bible. There are lots of these books and they meet weekly to study whichever of the books they are currently up to. The same book will be studied several times over a period of a few years. At least one new book comes out every year and its release is announced at their annual convention, it is usually scheduled to be studied shortly thereafter.



JW's read the "New World Translation" version of the bible. But the JW's did not write it. They simply chose it as the version that they believe to be the most accurate based on a number of reasons to do with how it was translated (there are several methods and ideas about translating ancient hebrew and greek into modern english).

Rebekah - posted on 02/10/2010

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well!!! i only just found thread and its made for interesting reading. i was raised s JW. i have now since left for various reasons which i will go into in a min. firstly what you have to remember is that we are all human beings and we all have flaws. studying the bible is a little like learning to drive.its exciting but frustrating...we know the car moves when we do certain things but we dont all take the time to find out exactly how or why the engine works the way it does. sometimes we can study/ learn for years before we are confident on the road. yet for others it suddenly clicks into place and it feels like we have always known what do do without even thinking about it. yet some days we will still stall the car or bump the kirb or hit a corner in a multi story car park! this is the same with studying any relgion. for some it will take a while to make sense or to just feel perfectly right and for others it will fll into place quickly. but they will still continue to make mistakes and have to make reajustments to the way they do things to keep themselves safe.

The elders within the JW organisation are only human too and will still make mistakes. but they try to do there best for everyone. They are called Elders as they are seen as some who have experince and understanding that can help. but like i say they are only human and imperfect.

they are not Cult like in any way...association with people who do not share your fundamental belifes is adviced to be kept to a minimum simply to make it easier to stick to your decision to live a clean moral life. (in no way does this mean that everyone who is not a JW is unclean or immoral) in just the same way you have some influnence over who your children associate with particularly while they are studying for exams or at a fragile stage of there developent.ie teanage years fro example. however short of locking your kids up you can only advice in their best interests.

its the same thing with JWs. they still go out to work and school and volunteer in the community and have a general laugh with people who are not JWs.

yes some choose not to associate wih people who do not share their belifes at all but this is purely their own decision based on the way they feel about things. when this includes their own family then thats a shame because the bible....nor JWs as an organisation advocate this.

if a person has been disfellowshiped..or excommunicated as in other faiths then this is normally because they do not feel the need to ask for Gods forgivness for something they have done. this is not something done lightly and normally only after a number of meetings with three or more elders where you have the chance to talk things thru for different perspectives ( the three different elders). if you still feel that you have nothing to be sorry for then they may decide that being a JW is not the right thing for you AT THAT TIME. others in the congregtion will not socialise with you in that case for the same reasons as above..to keep theselves safe. However i must point out that when a family member is disfellowshipped association can still take place...ie funerals births illness etc. the difference would be that they most would choose not to pop down the pub for a pint with the ex JW. but you would not be punished or called into question if you did choose to do this. And yes some do drink.some dont, just as some are vegetarian some arnt, some go onto further education, some dont. its all about personal choice based on your own understanding of what the Bible and Gods love means for you.at the time...over time things change as you, your circumstances and your understanding grow. not everyone will agree with everything you do..thats just real life.

kirsty......the only thing you can do is wait and continue learning. learning about everything..your fella, the way you function, the bible and those around you. you may not agree with everything just as you and your fella may fall out or have huge rows ( we all do!) but it doesnt often change the fudenmental way we feel about those we say we love...if it does then its not right for you...at that time.



smoking..its something the whole world knows is wrong and very bad for you so why question when GOD says it?

blood...its my understanding that views have changed slightly. blood transfusions are still a huge no no! however.....as others have pointed out there are many many vey effective alternatives and proceedures that anyone who has not looked into it thoroughly will not really know about. i suggest nyone who questions this reads a book called ' no mans blood' it is written by a surgeon...not a JW in any shape or form. transplants are a personal choice. witnesses use something called an Advanced Medical Directiv...this is a legal form that states what their wishes are regarding the use of blood and blood products reading it recently i found that some thing had changed regardig the use of blood products..ANTI D. for example.( used on mothers who are Rh Neg) Is now a personal choice as the product uses very little blood at all.its based a blood compound. again its down to your own personal choice and understanding. some one brought that up earlier..sorry i cant remember who without going back thru the whole thing.

As for being brainwashed....When you are brought up a certain way and living a certain life style then that is what you become used to, if your brought up vegetarian cos thats the way your parents are then even if you dont agree to their reasons you may still find it hard to start eating meat!.do you say that Jews are brainwashed? they often live in their own communities within society doing things a certin way at certain times, as do muslims and some christian faiths..yet people are always quick to critize things they do not understand.

those who study later in life and choose to dedicate their lives to serving God do so thru intensive personal growth based on knowledge and understanding. Not based on what someone else says.

children at the Hall/Church..some children learn to sit quietly while looking at books

others find it hard, you are never judged either way. some love going knocking on doors..i did cos i got to ring the door bells! some dont..just real life.



just to clarify.you are NEVER asked to have no association with those who are not JWs.

blood transfusions..there are effective alternitives that save lives

women are to be assigned honour.never treated as 2nd!!



ok before i go.i was born and bred a JW. i was disfellowshiped after sleeping with someone i was not married to, i subsequently got pregnant and then decided to marry this person. if i had chosen not to marry him, i would have been suported as a single parent within the congregation but by choosing to marry him ( not a JW) i was seen as not being sorry for going against what the bible said. NOW LIKE I SAID AT THE START..people make mistakes! the Elders made that descion based on the need to show others in the congregation that i had turned my back on the bibles rules. They later admitted that they may have been wrong in this descion based on the fact that i felt i had to marry the father of my baby..based on the way i was raised lol. like i say..the system is not perfect by any means. but even while i was 'out' my family still came to my wedding! i was re instated ( made a J again ) 6mth later. The marriage didnt last. I Later chose to leave the organisation because in all honesty i was too lazy to keep up the study and meetings.other things got in the way.



i have since found something that resonates with me and to answer lisa,s last question...its called paganism lol.( a term used to cover various paths) the native american way of worship..honouring mother earth is still parcticed in various ways in various countries. Druids are britains most common version, tho we do have shamans and those who practice Wicca and or witchcraft...a whole other rhread so dont get me started lol!



so any way....thanks for taking the time to read that rather long post that really only went over what others have said, im off now to some naked belly dancing while i do the washing up!! in due in a few weeks so im trying to getflexile and baby in position...only naked cos im not dressed yet no other weird or wonderful reason!



take care evryone and remeber that no matter what you choose to belive we are all individuals and we all make mistakes and we all only need love to get by. whose love that is, is entirely your choice! xxxx

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dito... I often wonder about how the native americans "worship". They believe more in Mother earth - which provides for your life in soooo many ways. I would love to find a "church/religion" that honors what sustains us now.

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Hi..im not a jw, but i talk to them regularly and read some of their literature. There are several books availible that give very plausible answers to some of the bible stories, which negate the need for blind faith. Lawrence Gardner is one author, his books are well researched and based on ancient written historical records and or archiological findings that arent necessarilly mainstream, because most archiology in the past was funded by churches, and only stuff that backed up the bible is well documented. Barbara Thiering, australian, specialist in the Dead Sea Scrolls is another ....the bible isnt the only writing from the time of Christ...inform yourself girls

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the people that have fought for our country are the reason they are able to actively practice their faith... lets give our soldiers the recognition and respect they deserve!

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My husband is an ex witness. He and his friends left as soon as they were able and have been bitter about the isolation the church imposed on them for YEARS! I could go on and on about it. They had a woman at their church who's husband beat her. But that wasn't one of the reasons the church allowed divorces, so she had to stay with him. The kids couldn't participate in holidays, etc, OR team sports at school. When someone does something they don't approve of and they are 'disfellowshipped', the entire church community IGNORES them and pretends as if they do not exist. I am sorry, I don't want to offend witnesses on here, just telling his perspective. He only recently became interested in religion at all, and it will definitely not be a the Hall.

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My sister was dissfellowshiped MANY years ag and now she is 89 years old, in a nursing home quite ill and her son who is a witness can not have anything to do with her, not even a phone call. That is the Witness' believe. Does their bible not say "honor your father and mother" and what happened to "judge not that ye be not judged" I thonk the elders play God and they must think they are better than Jesus because he was not too good to mix and mingle with Anyone.

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I am a christian who attends a church with no denomination. I am curious for those who are JW when you study, what book do you use?

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I am a christian who attends a church with no denomination. I am curious for those who are JW when you study, what book do you use?

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Renae. I feel that ay because i want 2 make it into the new world or into heaven whatever ir right. I am going 2 wait awhile till i think i am ready. I don't mind replying it is helping me.

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All I can say is this.....I can't get down with any sect that condemns everyone for not being like them!! I know JW's nad ex JW'S and the ones that no longer practice or study had family members that sold all of there earthly belongings because they were told that GOD was coming on a certain date at a certain time and it's quite obvious that HE has not come yet! I was told that if I became a JW than when GOD decided to take me it would be like a rapture.......when you die, you are buried in the ground and will remain there until Judgement day!!! All I want you to do Ms. Simpson is read a KJV or NIV Bible and read for yourself, the JW's is similar until it gets to certain parts.

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Hey Kristy,

My sister and husband have been JW for over 35 years. My sister is quite a few years older than my brother and myself. Every summer and any vacations my brother and I had we were sent to my sister. I love visiting and experienced learning the "Faith" for many years. I was always curious about different religions so JW was the one that was the one religion I found to be most interesting. During all those years my brother eventually went to live with my sister and her husband. My brother told me that he definately felt pressured to study and get baptised. He did get baptised and years later

he met a wonderful young lady in the religion and at the age of 20 after six months of dating this girl, he was being pressured into marrying her. I know my brother couldn't do that to her since she was his first serious relationship. He broke it off and left. He was disfellowshipped for joining the army. My brother in law hasn't spoken to my brother in like 30 years and my sister is stuck in the middle. I do know that as far as the blood thing is concerned, if your doctor feels that a blood transfusion definately a life saver they will use it with or without your permission. But they will definately use alternative if need be. If you are married, it will definately be difficult. This Faith demands alot of time. I have experienced from fanatical JW's to conservitive ones. Fanatical ones are always together and do everthing together. Conservative JW's could make your experience a nice one. They do many things out of the religion and with non JW people. I would say that my brother in law WAS a fanatic until he found himself unemployed due to illness and not one brother nor sister in the faith came to offer their support after a few weeks. Not one Elder Ever came to see him. He was heart broken and my sister was also. They are still assisting but on a different level. He believes in his love for Jehovah and continues to follow his beliefs. My sister now speaks to our brother. Kristy, if you don't feel right then it's not for you.

I personally couldn't commit. So good luck! Judy

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I was raised as a Jehovahs Witness and that is one religion you could never even pay me to go back to. They make a great cult though. Have fun with it.

Amanda - posted on 02/09/2010

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I was raised as a Jehovahs Witness and that is one religion you could never even pay me to go back to. They make a great cult though. Have fun with it.

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I grew up as a JW. I left when I was 18 and I was as faithful as they get. As a word to the wise....I would suggest asking a lot of questions...LOTS OF QUESTIONS. Don't settle for sweeping answers or the "that's just how it is." Often they will encourage you to ask questions but direct you to the questions that they have the answers for. Trust me, we were taught how to do that.



No one can make your mind up for you. If you feel that that is the direction you want to go in then by all means follow your heart. From my experience it is not for me or my children on any level.



One more note, be careful of your children and who you let associate with in the congregation. Unfortunately, as with many religions, instead of ousting child molestors they are "forgiven" and no one in the congregation is alerted to the danger. I know this from the experience of a dear friend of mine and I would hate for anyone to be in that situation.



Feel free to email me if you'd like me to expand :)

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Kristy, I found that looking only made things more confusing. But that's me. If you need to look so that you know you have made an informed decision, then by all means look. I find religion fascinating but always start by telling the person I have no intention of joining anything but am just curious as to what they believe. That kind of lets you find out about their beliefs without them hassling you every time you see them trying to convert you. lol. There are so many beliefs out there and every one of them thinks they have the truth. I think most people choose their religion by the one that "feels right" for them. Maybe the thing to do is stop looking for a while and just see what comes your way? It sounds like you feel as though you want to find a "religion" to follow. I'm curious as to why you feel that way? Why do you want to find the right one soon? Hope you dont mind all the questions I'm throwing at you. You dont have to answer me. I'm trying to help by gaining some clarity about what's going on with you. :)

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please stop! or if you really like the company dont ever get baptized. it is a cult and it has ruined many families. please use your brain and ask lots of questions. you are treading in unsafe waters.

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wow, this is a very good topic, I know nothing about JW...except what I hear. That is not always good information. I am a Christian, Methodist...and all I can say to everyone is there is only ONE GOD. Some people take the Bible and misconstrew it's meanings and intetpret the Bible to conform how they want to believe. Pray and ask for a guidance God answers all prayers...My question is where did this specific number come from on how many people will get into Heaven???? Also, why do Catholics believe in and worship Mary...just curious...

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Renae. I am not looking at the moment. But i do want 2 try and find the right 1 sometime soon.

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Actually they are not opposed to using synthetic blood and their own stored blood .

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I am going to say this... God, is a God of grace. He died for our sins and rose again, Celebration is a way to worship Him. Satan is real, as real as God. ALL of us, cult or no cult WILL stand before GOD and will be asked the same question. I know where my allegance lies. Do you??? Ask God to show you, He will. :-)

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Tracey, if you come back to this thread, I just wanted to ask you... I was also raised strict joho. Despite whatever flaws we see, all of my morals, values and principles, I have the religion to thank for. Believe me I completely understand how you feel. But I just think that there comes a time to see the good side and forget the rest. Out of respect for my parents I will never speak badly of JW's. I only answer people's questions (and in this thread clear up misconceptions) but do not give them my opinion. Do you think you at least got some good out of being brought up joho?



Kristy, ok, have you been looking at another religion then or did I misunderstand your last post?

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Mary. I was wanting 2 be one but starting 2 change my mind. I do want the true religion but not quite sure that jw has it. I think another one else has it.

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Are you wanting to become a JW or are you searching for the way, the truth, and the life?

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