Morally Wrong

Sharlene - posted on 10/18/2011 ( 64 moms have responded )

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Hi there Im from Australia and our council inspector are quite strict. To make long story short at 17 weeks my cervix opened I had emergency surgery so for 12 weeks I was going in and out of labour with my water breaking to having contractions.at 28 weeks I got to the hosiptal and parked my car in a NO PARKING ZONE with hard contractions.They trasfered me to another hosiptal where they look after premmie babies.6 months later I phoned the Roads and Traffic authority was suspended.If they understand my circumstances,its been 3 weeks now and it still has'nt been lifted.My husband and I are still fighting it also I've got 3 special needs kids taking them back and fortward to hosiptals app and doctors app. They should take this as a EMGERMECY ISSUE so can I get a view opinions on this matter please

thanks sharlene

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Medic - posted on 10/18/2011

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Registered nurse, hmm. Well it would be easier to take you seriously if A: your spelling reflected that and B: you actually owned up to making a mistake. It is easier to pardon those that admit a fault than those that excuse it as if it is their right.

Medic - posted on 10/18/2011

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I said one would have to weigh the possible effects. If it is that big of an emergency then one should call an ambulance. Hence why we as paramedics are employed. No I do not think that people should get away with breaking the law because they decided not to make the best choices.

Jane - posted on 10/18/2011

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@Shayne - if you are in labour you shouldn't be driving. You should be in an ambulance or at the least a car driven by someone else. Thus, no parking problem.

Medic - posted on 10/18/2011

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Hospitals have a quicker response time when you are brought in by ambulance. As a nurse I am sure you know that Magnesium Sulfate is the drug needed to slow your labor until you reach definitive care at an appropriate facility. You would also know that it does not work instantly so the benefits of calling EMS and getting that drip started far outweighs whatever time it appears you would save driving yourself. All of this is really neither here nor there because the subject at hand is the fact that you made a choice and you should own up to it and wait for the due process of the review board. Most people that get tickets or fined have an "emergent" excuse and one cannot be truly placed as a priority until it is actually reviewed. Patience and well thought out non-argumentative approach along with a well written statement calmly explaining the situation is the way to go about it. The squeaky wheel does not always get the grease.

Jodi - posted on 10/18/2011

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No-one SUGGESTED you lost double demerit points, but you CAN'T HAVE YOUR LICENCE SUSPENDED FOR 2 DEMERIT POINTS!!!! Do you understand that? Your licence is suspended when you lose 12 (TWELVE) demerit points. So your parking ticket is NOT what got your licence suspended. THAT is what I am trying to say. You have committed OTHER offences to have had it suspended. Offences that had nothing to do with an emergency.

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Johnny - posted on 10/18/2011

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Shayne, this isn't a blog. Your definition proves that. It is an member's forum.

Iridescent - posted on 10/18/2011

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Now try the definition of an online forum. THIS group is not a blog.

Shayne - posted on 10/18/2011

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Definition of blog is "A blog (a blend of the term web log)[1] is a type of website or part of a website. Blogs are usually maintained by an individual with regular entries of commentary, descriptions of events, or other material such as graphics or video. Entries are commonly displayed in reverse-chronological order.Most blogs are interactive, allowing visitors to leave comments and even message each other".

Ez - posted on 10/18/2011

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Sharlene, you have to go through the review process like everyone else. If your situation is as you say, you will likely be pardoned and get your points back. But you must provide proof and deal with the bureaucracy in the meantime. They do not owe you special treatment, especially since you didn't even respond to the fine for 6 months.

Shayne - posted on 10/18/2011

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Well it just so happens that when i registered the form said "female" or "male" so i ticked the appropriate box,or would you rather i lie about it?

Iridescent - posted on 10/18/2011

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Actually, no. Blogs are on blogspot, wordpress, caringbridge. They are not public forums.

Shayne - posted on 10/18/2011

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See i forgot my dictionary,it's "I'LL" not "I'MM". Ok go on drag me over the coals now.......

Shayne - posted on 10/18/2011

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@JENNIFER I'm sorry,are we giving out grammar lessons now? Damn i thought this was a blog where we posted our opinions.I'mm make sure i bring my dictionary on here next time,wouldn't want to be accused of "POOR SPELLING".

Charlie - posted on 10/18/2011

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I think you will find many of the members here commenting are Australian and understand our laws and points system.

Anyway if you sent through your appeal then you are going to have to be patient, it sucks but how was the parking inspector meant to know what happened to the driver of the car, they are not mind readers.

This has nothing to do with morality ..... you obviously feel it is unjust but immoral ? no.

Sharlene - posted on 10/18/2011

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That is why in the U.S the medical hosiptals are so busy Im a register nurse and mother of 4 kids our medical hositpal are'nt as worst like over there ok I broke the law but pits sack I have reason

Jane - posted on 10/18/2011

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Sounds like our red-light camera set up and our EZ Pass toll roads in the US. It takes a photo, tracks the vehicle owner down by the license plate, and mails the infraction to the owner. Since my daughter's car is in my name (she was under 18 when I bought it) it means I find out when she has been up to no good. However, if your address is correct with the DMV, you get the notice and you deal with it.

Shayne - posted on 10/18/2011

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So JENNIFER what you're saying is that there is NO excuse for breaking the law?? So under the circumstances you would rather be driving around the block numerous times in the hope that you don't start delivering the baby,as you know parking around hospitals is not easy to find,so i would drive straight into the first spot i saw,"illegal or not".

Shayne - posted on 10/18/2011

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The way that the council fines work over here is this. They DON'T leave a fine on your window,they take a picture of your car and then they post it out weeks later. Leaving the person unaware that they received a fine and hoping that when they do receive it,they won't remember the day in question. THIS IS IMMORALLY WRONG & NOTHING MORE THAN A REVENUE RAISING EXCERCISE.............

Shayne - posted on 10/18/2011

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So JODY what youre saying is, if you had 3 kids with special needs and regular hospital visits,and you lost your license during an emargency,you would expect to "wait your turn",or would you like a little leniency in that sense?

Shayne - posted on 10/18/2011

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@JODY I think you'll find that Sharlene only has a provisional license,which is only 4 demerit points. Am i right Sharlene?

Sharlene - posted on 10/18/2011

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Oh damn I dont know if I shouldnt name the hositpal but thats happened

Sharlene - posted on 10/18/2011

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yeah but my water broked at 17 weeks they took me in for emergency sugery to knotted me up but I went into labour with 4 times I got transfered to a premmie unit at Royal Women in Sdyney

Shayne - posted on 10/18/2011

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@JODY In regards to pick-up and drop-off zones? Yes we do have them here but it's a little hard if you drive yourself to the hospital.

Shayne - posted on 10/18/2011

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I think the point Sharlene is making is that in certain circumstances where she has provided a letter regarding to health of her 3 children,they should make exceptions and review it straight away under the circumstances. I'm sure if Sharlene was a politician or police officer they would make an exception........

Jane - posted on 10/18/2011

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Actually, if you need emergency care, calling an ambulance gets care to you faster because the staff of the ambulance are trained to give care and because they also alert the hospital in advance so you end up at the correct hospital for your circumstance.

Driving to the hospital while in labour, early labour or not, is a bad idea. Imagine the combination of contraction + traffic at the same time. It could very well equal an accident, requiring care for more than one person.

Sharlene - posted on 10/18/2011

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Yes I drove myself to the hosiptal I dont see the big idea of doing that when I fisrt into labour at 17 weeks

Jane - posted on 10/18/2011

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I am puzzled. In the US when someone has a medical emergency they don't drive themselves to the hospital. They call an ambulance. Then parking (and possibly having an accident on the way because of the medical emergency) becomes a non-issue.

Jodi - posted on 10/18/2011

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Apparently she is doing that Emma, she just doesn't want to wait the time that the review process takes because her licence has been suspended.

Stifler's - posted on 10/18/2011

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You get a cert from the hospital or doctor to verify that it was an emergency and present it to the department of transport or whoever fined you.

Jodi - posted on 10/18/2011

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Sharlene, if you didn't already HAVE 10 demerit points because you broke the law, it would be a non-issue for you right now. You can't expect special treatment over and above everyone else NOW because you clocked up too many fines for breaking the law and NOW you want to avoid the review process because ONE of those times it was an emergency. Suck it up and go through the review process like every other person who thinks their situation was an emergency, and wait your turn to be reviewed.

Sharlene - posted on 10/18/2011

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Ok but when you have to to the hosiptal for emergency do you the car park fee or do you park on the street and your there for a delayed amount of time do deserve a fine like that.Yes I have others fines but they were payed for and yes did loose points in other matters

Nikki - posted on 10/18/2011

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I think morally wrong is taking it a little too far. You must have had other tickets or penalties on your licence if you lost it. That's not the fault of the ticket, that is your fault for your offences. Hundreds of people go to the hospital daily, some with life threatening conditions, there have to be rules, there have to be penalties.

Jodi - posted on 10/18/2011

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Sharlene, you still haven't answered the question about the demerit points.

Sharlene - posted on 10/18/2011

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Yes it does hane a drop off and pick up but I was by myself I drove myself to the hositpal

Medic - posted on 10/18/2011

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Thank you Jodi, I even emailed my friend that lives in Australia to ask her how it works in relation to here (states). Every time a person makes the decision to break the law emergency or not said person runs the risk of having to pay for those actions. Is the risk worth the end result is what has to be weighed. Lots of people go into preterm labor, lots of people have extenuation circumstances but those are not get out of jail free cards.

Jodi - posted on 10/18/2011

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That's right Jennifer, they would be. There are literally thousands of people who try to get out of parking tickets, some are legitimate, others are not. They can't just take the word of someone that it was an emergency, you have to go through the same process as everyone else. If your licence was suspended because of this ONE parking ticket, there are many other things that contributed to that. Sharlene, you have not addressed the issue of demerit points in relation to your parking ticket. Was it 2 demerit points you lost? In which case, your licence was suspended because you already HAD 10 demerit points on your licence for various driving offences.

Medic - posted on 10/18/2011

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I don't believe I could be more SPECIFIC. I am sure there are lots of VALID reasons to break the law per-say but that does not make those reasons right. There is no reason why your case review should go before any others. I believe they are reviewed in the order for which they are received.

Sharlene - posted on 10/18/2011

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I parked my car from 9am and went up stairs then 1hr later I got transfered to another hositpal so my husband with 3 kids and a friend of ours had to move my car

Sharlene - posted on 10/18/2011

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Okay could be more pacific in other good reasons please .To my reason is not valet is that what your saying that other people have better reason then that

Medic - posted on 10/18/2011

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I am also having a hard time understanding your posts...but this is what I have gathered. You parked where you were not supposed to, got a ticket, moved, didn't change your address therefore didn't get your notifications of the ticket, found out your license is suspended, are fighting it now and are being impatient about it. Is all that right? Well I do not believe they can suspend your license for ONE ticket, therefore there must be other infractions. I also don't see what you having special needs children has to do with your choice of parking your car. Either way you cannot assume that your case is any more important that someone else's and I can assume there is a line of people a mile long waiting for things to be reviewed. Maybe it would go better if you would own up to what you did and make your appeal from that standpoint. Generally if you break the law you break the law, they are not different for anyone and by trying to use your kids as an excuse you are mearly teaching them that rules do not apply here and to blame the laws for one getting into trouble.

As for the morality issue it is morally wrong to not follow the laws. It is morally wrong to make the laws only apply to certain people. It is morally right to enforce them.

Christy - posted on 10/18/2011

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Argue them into the ground to get your point across. I am in the U.S. so I am not sure of the laws over there, but dammit if that happened here, I would work on getting my way! The only thing I can think (again here in the US) is that you parked in a fire zone or something and they won't let up. How long were you parked there? Either way, can you go face to face to talk to a judge (like you can here)? And explain the situation? Good luck, hun!

Jodi - posted on 10/18/2011

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Sharlene, your posts are very confusing. No-one should have to take your labour into consideration over and above OTHER people with good reasons, which is why there is a review process. It was your responsibility to change your address when you moved. They would have sent more than one notice in the last 6 months before they started deducting points from your licence. Now, what happened to the other 10 demerit points you lost if this lost you 2 points? If your licence has been suspended, you lost more than 2 points. End of story. Take SOME responsibility for the suspension of your licence. It wasn't just the parking ticket.

Sharlene - posted on 10/18/2011

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Excuse me I think that they should at lease take my matter in consideration knowing I was in labour. Everys the justice in that when you have 18 yr old driving around unlicenced and only get fines

Jodi - posted on 10/18/2011

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I just need to clarify something......did you receive demerit points for this parking fine? or for not paying it? And if so these 2 demerit points suspended your licence? Is that what you are trying to say?

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