My son who is jus 5 months old has got eczema..

Meher - posted on 05/19/2009 ( 116 moms have responded )

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my son who is jus 5 months old has got eczema.. am a bit worried for him.. is it common at this age.??

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Sandy - posted on 05/28/2009

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Hi, my name is Sandy Humphreys. Some people may not agree with me but I know this works. Borage Seed Oil is wonderful for eczema. Both of my girls started getting it and I got this and would just poke the pill with a pin and squeeze the oil into a water or a little bit of milk. It will clear it up in a matter of days. Also, this is natural and you won't have to use steroid creams which can harm your child. One of my friends little girls who is 6 had eczema since she was a baby about the age of your son. Her legs were discolored, with patchy dry skin and she said she constantly itched. She was using all the creams prescribed by the doctors and it never went away or got better. I had an extra bottle of Borage Seed Oil and so I gave it to her. In a week of use it was completely gone and it hasn't returned. I swear by this stuff and keep it on had. I also take it when I have extremely dry skin. You can find this at a health food store or if there is a naturopathic doctor near you. Hopefully it will work for you!

Ariel - posted on 06/03/2009

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Much more common than you'd think. It tends to be genetic and is carried on the same gene as allergies and asthma. If you or the father have any of these then your baby has a good chance of having them too. Eczema is just an allergic reaction much like hives that leads to very dry skin that can crack open, is incredibly itchy, and can be localized or systemic. Depending on where it is and how it looks a dermatologist or allergist could probably tell you if it's due to a food allergy or is a contact dermatitis (when you touch something you flare up in that area). The funny thing is that a lot of pediatricians really have no idea what to do about it. Mine didn't recognize it on sight, suggested using a cream that contained fragrance (a likely allergen), didn't suggest that it could be from a food allergy until the baby was covered in it head to toe, and really had no clue.

The key is in removing any irritants, chemicals in soaps/lotions/detergents, rough fabrics, moist heat or extreme dryness, etc. that will aggravate it. Keeping the affected areas as moist as possible; when the skin dries it itches and cracks and scratching can lead to staph infections and become very painful. And once that is done to keep the flareups from worsening, start testing for food allergies if it's all over, contact allergies if it's only in one or two areas. Like if it's along the waistline and wrists and neck it could be an allergy to the elastic in their clothes. Milk is a really likely allergen, as are nuts, egg whites, wheat, and soy. If you are breastfeeding these foods can still affect your baby. One thing docs don't tell us is that any amount of mucus in the stool is a sign of a food allergy in a baby! If you see any mucus in their stool let the pediatrician know. Also, as common as it is (and some of the folks here have some scary eczema stories) the majority of kids who get it as infants will grow out of it by the time they are 5.

Cris - posted on 05/21/2009

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Hi Meher my son at 3 months old sounded like he had a head cold-- stuffy nose and congested then developed eczema and I tried everything I could think of even old remedies & in the end the only thing that worked was a prescription for the eczema. But the dr said that a child under 2 years old won't get seasonal allergies because their immune system is not completely developed. After the eczema cleared up he has never had another flare up. But because of the eczema & the allergy symptoms my dr told me to watch out for food allergies & asthma. I looked it up and it is called the Allergy March- since his eczema went away & has never came back. And at 10 months old he developed a complete allergy to dairy. Before he would have issues with it, I would have to give him a mixture of reg formula and soy. If I gave him just soy he would become constipated and if I gave him just reg formula he would get lose stools. So I would change it to fit his need at the time. But like I said at 10 months old he became completely allergic and had to switch completely to soy formula. And to this day still drinks only soy milk & uses soy products. The dr said that he could out grow the allergy by the time is is 5 yrs old & it seams luckly that he is starting to do that because before he couldn't have any thing that had dairy in it like hot dogs, cake, deli meat and now he can he just can't have direct dairy like milk, cheese, etc. So as soon as summer vacation starts with my older boys I am gonna try and see if he still has a reaction to dairy like the dr said to do. Evan starts school this fall and I am worried about lunch time if he is still having a reaction. And I understand what Bronwyn Newman is saying it is a very difficult thing to have a child with an allergy. People don't understand that it can be life threatening. And they just poo poo it away. You as a parent have to make sure that no one does. And yes it may not be a food allergy, it may only be eczema, not that that is easier. So I would just watch and write down how he reacts during and after he eats, after baths & what type of bath wash you use, write down what type of laundry detergent you use, write down everything just to have a log to go over with his dr - just to rule out any allergy. I know it can be time consuming, but in the long run it will help your dr out with finding out what is going on.

Kristina - posted on 06/03/2009

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My pediatrican says its common and you can buy things at the stores-Walmart, Target or even online @ www.diapers.com, look at CALIFORNIA BABY products. They are 100% natural and the Calendula cream works wonders on Eczema. My daughter is 4.5 months old and has had ezcema since she was 2 months old. This cream and bath wash helps moisturize the areas. 8 out of 10 babies grow out of it by age 1, don't worry.

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Mei - posted on 03/06/2013

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Common dear, 20% of children est to have eczema :)) if mild, no worries, severe, do see a specialist.

Nicole - posted on 06/10/2009

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When my son was a baby he also had eczema and it spread all over his body. Nothing the doctor suggested or prescribed for us to use really worked. Fortunately, I was turned on a product by my husband...called MonaVie (it is an all natural juice blend of 19 fruits). When my son was about 12months old he tried it and loved it. This was the only new thing that was introduced to his diet. In a very short time, it cleared his eczema up completely...and he hasn't had eczema since then. Perhaps it is something you all can try. This Juice is GREAT! It is good for everyone...even babies and pregnant women. Our whole family drinks this daily. I am an Independent Distributor of this product. If anyone is interested in more info you can drop me an e-mail @ lovenic@yahoo.com.....and/or check out www.monavie.com...then get back to me.

Ariel - posted on 06/03/2009

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Quoting Sandy:

Hi, my name is Sandy Humphreys. Some people may not agree with me but I know this works. Borage Seed Oil is wonderful for eczema. Both of my girls started getting it and I got this and would just poke the pill with a pin and squeeze the oil into a water or a little bit of milk. It will clear it up in a matter of days. Also, this is natural and you won't have to use steroid creams which can harm your child. One of my friends little girls who is 6 had eczema since she was a baby about the age of your son. Her legs were discolored, with patchy dry skin and she said she constantly itched. She was using all the creams prescribed by the doctors and it never went away or got better. I had an extra bottle of Borage Seed Oil and so I gave it to her. In a week of use it was completely gone and it hasn't returned. I swear by this stuff and keep it on had. I also take it when I have extremely dry skin. You can find this at a health food store or if there is a naturopathic doctor near you. Hopefully it will work for you!


Wow, that's one I've never heard of before, I will have to try it out on my son.  Cutting milk from his diet stopped his flareups but certain areas are still very dry and itchy and just won't go away.  I'm going broke buying moisturizers.  :)

Kate - posted on 06/03/2009

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Both of my kids have this. Samantha is now 5 and only had when she was a baby now has outgrown it all together. Dillan had it at 2years, hes now almost 8 and only gets it seasonally with spring allergies. So far, the cream they gave us helps with the outbreaks and keeping their baths in cooler water and I try to use as little soap as possible not to irritate them.

Christina - posted on 05/28/2009

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You can look it up on webmd.com and it has lots of info on it. I have read that rubbing safflower oil that you can buy at the grocery store helps tremendously. I think the natural way is better than using prescriptions if you don't have to!

Christina - posted on 05/28/2009

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You can look it up on webmd.com and it has lots of info on it. I have read that rubbing safflower oil that you can buy at the grocery store helps tremendously. I think the natural way is better than using prescriptions if you don't have to!

Susan - posted on 05/28/2009

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Aquafor works wonderfully! if it is a bad outbrake, a cotizone cream will relieve it, but not on the face. also, baking soda bath. and if it is on his head, my sisters used ginger shampoo by The Body Shop; cleared it right up!

Kelly - posted on 05/28/2009

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My daughter also got eczema around the same time - we started using unscented liquid dove bodywash, and aveeno lotion twice a day, (per order of the pediatrician) and it worked amazing!!! She's 7 months now, and has no sign of it. The Dr. said the baby soaps are actually pretty harsh.

Yudit - posted on 05/27/2009

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Hi,

I saw your note about your baby's eczema.....I know of a product that not only treats the baby's gentle skin, it cares for the baby's skin to avoid eczema...It's called ABC Baby Care from Arbonne (they also have everything from head to toe care for baby) and I am an independant consultant that helps educate people about Baby care.

Arbonne’s ABC line of products that are:

• Botanically based and pH correct

• Pediatrician and dermatologist tested

• Non-sensitizing, non-irritating

• Formulated without nut oils

• Tear-free hair and body wash

• Not tested on animals

For example:

Baby lotion-A gentle lotion formulated for delicate skin that soothes, softens and conditions skin, while helping to reduce redness and irritation

Baby Oil - Restores baby’s skin with essential moisture, thanks to this natural oil that softens and moisturizes delicate skin, while reducing redness and irritation.

Let me know if you want additional information regarding products. Take care

Joy - posted on 05/26/2009

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Eczma is either an external reaction.. as in environmental or an internal reaction from a product you have consumed.. What ever the type you need to find the triggers of the reaction rather than just treating the symptoms that appear on the skin. I have three children and myself who all have internal and external triggers and we keep it controlled so we do not have skin break outs. Food allergies and intolerences are one of the biggest causes of reactions, but the least explored certainly use moisturisers on the skins and barrier creams but if possible long term try to find the trigger and then avoid as much as possible

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My daughter at 2months got an extreme case of eczema to the point where she was oozing pus from her face and got infections from it. I tried everything my doctor recommended the typical aquaphor, aveeno, eucerin etc. you name it I tried it. Nothing worked. Until I found a product called California Baby Calendula Cream. It's fragrance free, preservative free and organic. For me and my baby I think it was the preservatives in the soaps and lotions that she was sensitive to that caused these reactions. Her dermatologist said she didn't recommend the product and told me to keep using the typical products put it never cleared up. My peditrican however saw a dramatic change in her skin and told me to keep using whatever it was I was using cause it was working. Just something to look into if all else fails. Good Luck.

Micaela - posted on 05/26/2009

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My son has asthma and eczema! Everythng you use should be sent and dye free! Do not use the baby detergents such as Dreft. Dreft is one of the worse offenders! A good lotion is also key, apply lotion every time he bathes. AVON sells Moisture Therapy and it is great similar to Eucerine but I find it AVON's Moisture Therapy works better.

Sam - posted on 05/26/2009

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My eldest son had eczema from birth, it got so bad he had to be bandaged for bed to stop him from sctratching till it bled, we saw a specialized eczema nurse and with time we got it under control. He still gets patches now when he is worried or anxious about things, he's 6 and has also deveoped asthma. My daughter didnt have any eczema or asthma. My youngest son (8months) has eczema aswell and at times its very bad, espcially on his wrists. He has had alot of chest infs so doc thinks he may develop asthma. Does anyone know if its more common in boys?

Stephanie - posted on 05/26/2009

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I cant believe the huge amount of response and everyone is STILL suffering with eczema. STOP USING PETROLEUM PRODUCTS!! Eucerin contains plastics and parabens. Vaseline is petroleum. Petroleum prevents your skin from breathing, which it needs to do to heal. Look at your baby bath, it contains sodium lauryl/laureth sulfate, this ingredient is used to clean garage floors. LOOK IT UP!! Read your labels and know what your putting on your skin.

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Oh Lord!



Do dotors do anything but scare mothers now?



It is normal.



Babies have to adjust to being out of the womb and the first 5 yrs are all about getting accustomed to living in our world with all of its pollens, detergents, and other substances that touch them and that their bodies have to learn to handle.



They will get sick, have earaches, fevers, discomforts of all types. We get them through and their immune systems developes in the process. By 5 years of age they are pretty much over the worst of it. You simply have to not over react and let your baby's body do it's job with out interfering and messing up their immune system developement by over medicating.



You can do this. Mothers have been doing it for thousands of years!



BTW I am a mother of 10 ages 15 down to 4 1/2 yrs of age

Bukola - posted on 05/26/2009

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Try the african pure shea butter.l use this regularly .its very nice and there is on side efffect.

User - posted on 05/26/2009

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Quoting Lisa:

Aveeno works the best. My daughter broke out worse when she ate strawberries, oranges, orange juice and apple juice. Also, some types of antibacterial handsoap make her break out. Now at 8, she has grown out of the food triggers but the soap still bothers her. Aveeno has always worked best.


I also have this problem with baby fruit. The doctors say it is the citric acid inside of fruit that causes the breakout.

Donna - posted on 05/26/2009

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try putting porridge oats in a pair of tights and run under tap when making up a bath, i know it sounds weird but it really works my son is seven and has had bad eczema from birth.

Rayna - posted on 05/26/2009

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My 11 1/2 month old developed eczema when she was 4 months old. It is very common, I guess. Try and figure out his "triggers." I finally have and hers were her bath soap. I was using Johnson & Johnson. Any variety made her eczema worse! I started using Aveeno Baby and it made a dramatic difference. So her triggers weren't in her diet - it isn't always the diet. A friend suggested I seek out Atopiclair. It is a non-steroidal ointment that builds up the skin's defenses from the inside out. Prescription steroid ointment can thin the skin if used for a prolonged period. Eek. Good luck!

Loretta - posted on 05/26/2009

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My oldest daughter who is now 19 has had eczema since she was a baby. I suspected it was due to an allergy because it started right after we put her on solid food, but all the doctors kept telling me it wasn't related. I wish I had listened to my gut. I know now that if I had taken her off wheat cereal it probably would have improved greatly instead of becoming so much worse! We had her tested for allergies recently, so she knows more about what triggers it and it has finally become controllable without prescription creams! I am told now that there are doctors who specialize in infant allergies and food sensitivities--I would look for one since allergies can become worse with more exposure to the offending thing.

Veronica - posted on 05/25/2009

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I wanted to add another thing -- we also carry OPC3 - antioxidant - helps rid the body of toxins that cause asthma, allergies, etc. and Digestive Enzymes - with probiotics -- helps aid in digestive, and very beneficial for the digestive tract period. Again, inside out --- i think genetics key as to what your body will react to -- but, what we have done to our bodies, and what we are exposed to as well as our babies in and out - plays a key factor too -- lots of free radicals in the world now a days - smog, smoke, car exhaust, the sun, the air, and some food too (bad soil, water, etc..) we really should be cleansing out our bodies so that they function the way they are supposed to. Lots of help people have had, including myself hugely - with these products. (Dont take this as a huge competition Meleuca women - i know you have phenominal products too - but this is what i do and like, and we have great products too! so got to tell it too!) Good luck everyone on your quests for what works best for YOU! Have a good night!

Kim - posted on 05/25/2009

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my son has eczema too. after a bath i lather him up with aveeno moisterizer cream. it works great.

Veronica - posted on 05/25/2009

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Quoting Kim:

I highly recommend a product called Ultimate Aloe. Here is a link. It, among other things, is phenomenal for exzema, psoriasis, and also acid reflux.
http://www.marketamerica.com/multinet/in...
Kim :o)


Kim is completly right -- i also am a distributor with this company -- The bottom line is healing from the inside out -- its a digestion issue, not topicle - thats why you have to continue to use creams and bathing, and change your products, etc. The aloe is 150% meaning its 100 percent aloe, with tons of minerals and vitamins included -- this product is awesome -- really think about it - when our insides arent' working properly (we're either clogged, or maybe have bad toxins or bacteria in our bodies) its going to show up on the biggest organ of our bodies - our SKIN! Acne, psoriasis, eczema, warts, etc. -- i highly recommend you take a look at the information on Kim's site -- these products are wonderful!! Good luck!

Lisa - posted on 05/25/2009

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Aveeno works the best. My daughter broke out worse when she ate strawberries, oranges, orange juice and apple juice. Also, some types of antibacterial handsoap make her break out. Now at 8, she has grown out of the food triggers but the soap still bothers her. Aveeno has always worked best.

Amber - posted on 05/25/2009

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My daughter who just turned 6months old on the 18 of may has also got baby eczema and from what I read on the internet and have been told by childrens hospital eczema, allergies, and asthma run together if your child has one they will have another or all three it is treat able and does not effect them as long as it is treated and from what I am told children that get it so young might grow out of it. it does get better

User - posted on 05/25/2009

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Hi. My 8 month old has it. Try to go to an allergy specialist immediately if it gets severely worse. The doctors kept telling me it was severe eczema and not much could be done or prescribed at such a young age(which turned out to be false) and she actually has severe food allergies. They may say it is too early to detect but all they have to do is run test from a blood draw. Just watch your babies skin closely and log different times the skin worsens and what you may have done differently.

Temisha - posted on 05/25/2009

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My daughter hs severe eczema i use free and clear everythin and sometimes its brought on by food because my daughter has to use soy products becuse milk aggravates it. Also if eucerin isnt keeping the skin moist try a cream called cerevae you can get it from wlgreens kinda expensive but it works wonders

Amy - posted on 05/25/2009

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My 8-year-old son has had eczma since he was a baby. We use Aveeno baby/eczma cream and Aveeno with oatmeal body wash. Also make sure you are using perfume-free and dye-free laundry supplies. I would recommend staying away from elidel cream - we used it on my son for a year until we found out that it has been linked to cancer.

Cindy - posted on 05/25/2009

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my son who is now 2 yrs was diagnosed at 1 month with eczema and it cleared away by the time he was 7 months. He hasn't had a flareup of eczema since then. I would suggest using Aquafor asI i feel it works best to clear up the dryness and redness. Moisturization is key!

Eliza - posted on 05/25/2009

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All 3 of my kids have it and 1% hydrocortisone cream applied morning and night cleared it up within days and I continue to put it on to prevent a recurrence. If you get the anti-itch formula they tend to scratch at it less too. I also use dye free detergent.

Julie - posted on 05/25/2009

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Quoting Carina:

I have an awesome solution for you....I use Melaleuca products in my home and have many friends who have cured their eczema by switching their product and using our incredible renew lotion. I would love the chance to speak to you more about it and how you may not even realize that the products in your home can cause these issues.
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I also use Melaleuca products... and have for the past 5 yrs!  There is none better!  They are all natural... a lot of people don't realize the household products they use are causing all of these terrible skin conditions and the all the Doctors what people to keep coming back to them for help... more $$$ for them... 



I had a friend that had terrible dry patches on his elbows... in one day of using Renew he could tell a Big difference... My Mom would break out terribly on her wrist from dishwashing liquid, by switching both her dishwashing liquid & her lotions her skin looks & feels like a baby's.



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Julia - posted on 05/25/2009

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try Aloe-Vera, its a great non-medicinal gel, its not cheap, but has worked on many of my friends children who have eczema.

Jennifer - posted on 05/25/2009

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my son had it when he was newborn his six months old now and has it still now we use cream after his bath n have special soap to put in his bath wen its really bad since using thses it has cleared up alot.

Tory - posted on 05/25/2009

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My children are older, but both of them were born w/ a form of eczema calle seborhea (spelling ??). The condition made their skin like sand paper, flakey scalps, cracking skin. My daughter's hands are wrinkely, you know the lines on your palms, she has way too many. Dermatologist told her @ age 9 she had the hands of a 90 year old. They weren't supposed to ever take bubble baths, in and out of the tub, not to dry out too much. Special lotions and lotion every day after bath/shower. Dermatologist said, if they hadn't grown out of it by age 5, they would have it always. My daughter still has to deal w/ it today. Sking like sandpaper, flakey scalp (not dandruff) and even into the ears, big flakes of skin peeling off. My son was fortunate and his cleared up.

Lisa - posted on 05/25/2009

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Quoting lisa:

My son has had it since he was a few weeks old. his is a genectic eczema. As myself and his father have asthma and his father has bad eczema he was bound to get it. I have recently been to a dermatologist as my son is now 2 and a half. for infants one of the best things for the bath is the QV Bath Oil not the flare up one just the normal one it is great. always use an ointment cream as it keeps it from drying out. hope some of these ideas help



Just so you know, food allergies are genetic too.  Which means that in my family the food allergies cause the eczema and the eczema is not genetic. I would get allergy tests done just to prove it isn't allergies.

Lisa - posted on 05/25/2009

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My son has had it since he was a few weeks old. his is a genectic eczema. As myself and his father have asthma and his father has bad eczema he was bound to get it. I have recently been to a dermatologist as my son is now 2 and a half. for infants one of the best things for the bath is the QV Bath Oil not the flare up one just the normal one it is great. always use an ointment cream as it keeps it from drying out. hope some of these ideas help

Lisa - posted on 05/24/2009

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Quoting Bernadette:

Take your baby to a dermatologist. My daughter kept listening to her pediatrician telling het it would go away and to use Eucerin. It has not gone away and has gotten so much worse. He is on Alimentum because they think he is allergic to milk, but his eczema is still very severe. This sort of thing needs to and should be look at by a specialist - a pediatric dermatologist. Don't put it off and don't ask your pedi for a recommendation because it is likely he/she will convince you to let them treat it and they are not specialists. Check with other mom's in your area, or the local hospital. Good luck. This eczema is really terrible for them, it is itchy and sore and they can't do anything about it or tell you how much it bothers them.



My Maddie is on Alimentum too! She still breaks out in a rash on her body.  I changed her detergents and body wash to organic baby soaps.  She still breaks out!  I think it's an allergy to the Alimentum; apparently, Nutramigen and Alimentum are the only two Hypo-allergenic formula's for babies.

Adrienne - posted on 05/24/2009

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dairy products can bring this also my 2 year old has this problem-the eucerin cream clears it right up.

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Oh, my daughter (who's now 4.5 yrs old) use to have eczema every change of season. Cold to hot weather and vice verse. She started to have it in her first year. But it's gotten better as each year has gone by. She'd get them around her joint areas - elbows & behind the knees. The ped. prescribed a regimen of Cetaphil cleanser and moisturizing cream. Also to use Hydrocortizone 1% on the really problem areas. Use the cleanser morning and evening and moisturize well afterward. This really worked for my daughter. Good Luck!

Tegan - posted on 05/24/2009

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hi my little girl got it around the same age it was as winter came on she had it so bad it looked like i had burnt her, coats milk soap is good for the bath and plane sorbaline cream worked the best like 3 times a day i spent so much money on creams and that was the best the foods had nothink to do with it even thow it would breake out at meal time it was coz she got hot when she ate hope this helps

Tina - posted on 05/24/2009

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I had it young it took years before one of my mom's friends who was baby sitting me put Noxema on it....it was gone the next day. Just a little FYI. :D

Michelle - posted on 05/24/2009

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My daughter has it on her back. I use Aveeno body cream for extreme dry to eczema shin and also Aveeno body wash. Her eczema has gotten so much better. Can even tell it is there.

Jerice - posted on 05/24/2009

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I would say its common both of my kids had it. Doctors recommend cetaphil soap and lotion its slight costly but its good

Kamaria - posted on 05/24/2009

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I would stop using soaps. Soaps have a detergent chemical called sodium lauryl sulfate that is very bad for skin. Use natural soaps. You can find the 'kiss my face' line in the grocery store health food aisle, or just use plain baking soda and water for his bath. Also use natural moisturizers ( with no petroleum, mineral oil..etc) like natural shea butter or cocoa butter. Also...no solid foods it may worsen his allergy. Hope it helps:)

Bernadette - posted on 05/24/2009

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Angela, where did you get the products you mention? My grandson has it bad. Thanks.

Angela - posted on 05/24/2009

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My daughter was diagnosed with eczema around this age too. I tried all the expensive soap free soaps, bath oils and creams. In the end, I found the best product was Gamophen soap and pure coconut oil. Thats all I use and her skin is beautiful.

Gale - posted on 05/24/2009

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My daughter is now 3 and has had it since she was 3 months old. Runs in my family. If an OTC cream doesn't work, ask your pediatrician for some prescription hydrocortisone OINTMENT, not the cream. The ointment works better. Also, stop using regular baby lotion. We (still) use Aveeno Baby Soothing Relief Moisture Cream. It's the one with the dark blue cap and it's for dry skin & eczema. Good luck!

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