Should three 13 year old girls be allowed at an amusement park with no parents?

Dominique - posted on 04/23/2014 ( 40 moms have responded )

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My thirteen year old wants to go to the local amusement park with three of her friends(same age). She's been to the mall with just friends and showed she was responsible by texting me every hour telling where she was and that she's ok. she promised she'd do the same, drink plenty of water (the only incidents I have found at this amusement park are kids getting dehydrated when they were alone) , and stay together with her group. do you think its a good idea?

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Guest - posted on 04/24/2014

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If an adult is IN the park with you, you can meet up in person every hour or so. If the adult is outside the park and all you are doing is texting, it is very easy for an abductor to send a fake text to your parents, or even to force you to call and say you are okay when you are not--your parent might pick up an "off" tense tone in your voice and know something is wrong, or s/he might just think you are annoyed at having to call in and brush it off. Or, you might not call in, and your parents might get nervous, but they might also just think you are having a good time and forgot to check in--their anger will grow and they will decide not to let you go alone again for a LONG time, but they probably won't consider calling the police or leaving work to go check the park for at least 2 to 3 hours. At the end of the day, they'll know you are gone, but it will be too late--a good trafficker can get a group of girls hidden in storage in less than an hour, and out of the country in less than 4 hours.

You may think you will know a trafficker when you see one, but they are GOOD. Consider this:
A park security officer walks up to you to inform you that there is a family emergency and you need to walk with him to the front office, or the marker will have been following you and learned your names, so the security officer can call you to the park office over loud speaker--people are called all day long, no one notices the names unless they are names of people they are with. You follow him into the park security office where he works and he puts you in a small office. He then uses chloroform to knock you unconscious, and calls in the park paramedic (also a trafficker) to transport you under the guise that you are dehydrated--kids at these parks pass out from dehydration all the time, no one will question 3 girls being transported out for fluids, no one will know you came together other than the traffickers. In the ambulance, you are given a stronger sedative and transported to a storage area where you are shipped out of the country.

If a parent is IN the park, the marker will not mark you because s/he will see you meeting up with an adult. They look for young teens who are not meeting up with adults. Even if you are marked, when the parent hears your name called, s/he'll go to the office as well, and even if they don't call your name over the loud speakers, s/he will know something is up as soon as you miss your first meetup--less than an hour, maybe in time to stop the traffickers before you are out of the park, but definitely in time for police to question the staff and learn that 3 girls transported out for dehydration never got to the hospital launching a full scale manhunt making it too dangerous for the traffickers to visit their storage facility or make a shipment, keeping you in the county longer and greatly increasing your chances of getting out of trouble. You COULD still be trafficked even with a parent present, but the chances are much, much, much, smaller.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/23/2014

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Are you serious??? What could POSSIBLY go wrong in an amusement park with a group of 13 year olds? Are you new to the world???

The more people, the more chance for kidnapping btw. Or, a pedophile could just nab one and go rape them behind a booth. How about the sexual curiosity of 13 year olds with a group of friends? How about them daring each other to do stupid things? How about them stealing, or lying, or just wreaking havoc? Don't be ridiculous. In my opinion your husband is right. You don't want to pay for tickets to keep an eye on your kid? Then your kid doesn't go. If the kids know that there are parents lurking around, they are more likely to behave, but still feel like they are having some freedoms.

Meghanne - posted on 04/24/2014

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I would not let my 14 year old go by herself with friends. Call me over protective but I worry about those 20 year old guys who want to hit on our young daughters and I worry about child predators who are skilled and adept at kidnapping. I don't let her go to amusement parks, water parks or anything like that without an adult IN THE PARK. It's one thing to let them go off for a bit and check back in with the adult but to drop her off like it's the library I don't agree. My daughter's friends often think I am over protective. I don't care. I want my baby safe.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 04/24/2014

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Ariana, two words regarding 13 year old girls by themselves in that setting: SEX TRAFFICKING. There are PLENTY of assholes who wouldn't think twice about abducting them!

Dominique, you'll understand better when you're a parent yourself. This is a STUPID idea. ALL kids act differently when they have their parents around. You, yourself said that you wouldn't be able to act the same as you would when you're alone with your friends, and then proceeded to directly contradict your own statement.

Grow up. You're not as mature, nor are you as able to handle any potential dangerous situation as you naively think you are.

Dominique - posted on 05/22/2014

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although your situation is clearly an example, here's a list of reason why it's flawed:

1. In you're situation, you are assuming that i'd follow the security guard. If a security guard came up to me and said "You're parents called the security desk and said there's a family emergency. Please follow me." or something along the lines of that, i would have thought the following things: A.how the heck would he know its us. Did my parents describe what we looked like and had the security guard hunt us down? That would be pretty insensible of them. B. Why didn't they call me? Text me? Why would they call the security desk? Did they really look up the phone number of the amusement park and call them, telling them to look for three girls, all around 5'4" and describe what we're wearing? How would they find us? The park is giant!
2. Say i was gullible enough to believe in something like that. I'd immediately call my parents for verification before i followed the guards.
3.So these guys paid for tickets and somehow got some kind of security guard looking outfit (and unless they somehow stole them, i feel that i would pretty easily determine if they were legit or not; it would have the theme park logo on them) and searched around the park for some vulnerable looking girls, and out of all of them they choose us.
4. Loud speakers? wait, are you claiming that these people beat up the real workers and are now using the park's stuff to traffic girls? or are you implying that the park workers are traffickers?
5. You are going WAY too deep into this. like i said, the odds of a situation like that happening are EXTREMELY LOW. like are you serious!? I cracked up reading that! "you could still be trafficked with a parent, but the chances are much smaller" THE CHANCES OF BEING TRAFFICKED AT ALL ARE RIDICULOUSLY LOW! you're acting like if my and some friends go to an amusement park without an adult, something horrible is SURELY going to happen. what about walking to my bus stop in the morning? couldn't i get trafficked? gee i shouldn't even be allowed to go to the bathroom alone, cause' i could get shipped off into another country!

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♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 05/23/2014

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You don't get it Dominique...have fun with that. You are just like my kid, an answer or argument for everything.

FORGET THE FACT that we've been there, done that, and KNOW WHAT THE RISKS ARE. You don't care, because you know better. At least you think you do.

Dominique - posted on 05/23/2014

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okay. i appreciate your concern and took what you said into thought. i agree that the time difference from, say, throwing out the trash and a theme park are different and would make a great difference if a situation like that happened. i guess i didn't take that into consideration.

well if it matters, i'm turning fourteen next month and i don't really look 13. also, the friends i go with look older too, so its not like we look like small vulnerable 12 year olds (even though we are 13;well one of them is fourteen)

Guest - posted on 05/23/2014

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The chances of you getting abducted are very small, however, they are there, and for the thousands of girls each year that are a part of that small statistic, it is a big deal. They didn't think it could ever happen to them either.

How is spending the day at the park without your parents any different than going to take out the trash in 30 seconds or riding on the bus? Because if you disappear taking out the trash in 30 seconds, or don't show up to school or home, your parents will immediately know almost immediately something has happened. The police will also have a specific window of time where you disappeared based on statements from the people you were leaving and the people who missed your arrival. The earlier the investigation begins, the higher the chances of getting the child back. After only one hour missing, chances of getting a child back drop below 70%. After 4 hours, below 50%, and after a full day, chances drop into the single digits, and those statistics INCLUDE missing children who were picked up by the wrong parent at school, forgot to inform parents about soccer practice, or were abducted by vindictive family members. If we were able to look at missing children cases only pertaining to trafficking, those chances would be much smaller, but we can't do that because we don't know how they disappeared until we get them back.


It doesn't matter how long the park has been open. These traffickers thrive on the seasonal quality of that type of work. They know how to cycle through parks (as well as malls, seasonal festivals, popular vacation spots, etc) so no suspicion is raised. There are teams who work together cycling through parks using a more than 5 year timeline. And I am familiar with the background checks American and Western European parks use, and they are VERY EASY to get through even for security jobs, for snack counter jobs, ride runners, and booth attendants, it is not even an issue.

Take your chances--They are slim--but you ARE at the most vulnerable age for trafficking. If you were 15, I'd be much less concerned....

Dominique - posted on 05/23/2014

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thank you. i honestly appreciate the information and i am sure to be cautious and make careful decisions. i am aware that it happens, though it is improbable, it could happen. but i'm not going to not go to a theme park with friends just because i could get trafficked or raped or kidnapped. we want to be independent and not have parents following us around, and i still don't really see how having a parent in the park is really going to matter that much.if the trafficker some how thinks to figure out whether or not i have a parent in the park and is 'stalking me to see if i have parents in the park', then couldn't he just wait until we were a reasonable distance away and take us just as easily? even under the unlikely chance that there is a trafficker in the park, you would have to depend on the unlikely chance that having a parent in the park is even going to make a difference.its obviously a very improbable circumstance, and going to a theme park without a parent at the park vs just going outside to take out the trash for 30 seconds, it could happen either way. but answer this: If i go to this theme park with no parents for the next 5 years, do you really think that i'm going to get kidnapped? a reasonable answer would be "No but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take precaution" which i am sure to do. My and my friends stayed together the entire time, and would never split up. we texted our parents every hour, but not at the same time so ex. i text at 2:00, my friend texts her mom at 2:30, my other friend at 2:45. like i said before, you don't know where i live and although trafficking could happen anywhere, this park is known as a safe environment with high security and in a good area. i really don't think that any trafficker or rapist is one of the security guards/ workers. there are boys and girls my age with no parents ALL over the park, so its not like we're the only ones. i really don't think anything is going to happen, but my friends and i are sure to be alert

Dominique - posted on 05/23/2014

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yup sure, i'm stupid and you're definitely correct that i am 100% going to get abducted. no wonder every single thirteen year old at the park every single day is getting abducted!

and i'm glad to know that WHEN i get abduced (since its definitely, no question about it, going to happen) that you'll be happy that i learned a lesson.
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I have never stated or thought that i am "all-knowing" I literally just said in another post that i'll probably look back at these and disagree with some of the points i'm making. But you are going extreme. The park has been open for more than 40 years, and i've lived in this town for my entire life, as well as my parents, and your acting like i am going to get kidnapped FOR SURE. Honestly, i find it absolutely hilarious how you're saying "When she goes missing". Yes because out of ALL the hundreds of thirteen year old girls that go to this park,my friends and I are going to be the first and only to get kidnapped. or maybe you're implying that ALL of them are going to get kidnapped. i don't know how many times i've said this but yes, i'm aware these kind of things happen. I'm not some ignorant oblivious girl who thinks that this world is this safe little place where nothing bad is going to happen to me. but it is JUST as likely for me to get trafficked at this theme park with some friends as it is for me to get trafficked at the mall or on the way to school or ANYWHERE.i'm pretty a lot more girls my age around the US have been kidnapped on the way to the bus than at a theme park. so should i not be allowed to leave the house without a parent by my side? and why thirteen? at sixteen should i not allowed to go? sixteen year olds get trafficked. how about eighteen?

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 05/23/2014

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Guest, save your breath and fingers. She, like every entitled little brat these days, thinks she KNOWS EVERYTHING. Since she's so all-knowing, let her and her little buddies be abducted. You tried to explain reality to her, and she thinks she's above it.

When she goes missing, she'll have that very detailed post running through her head to let her know exactly what she's in for, as she's trafficked to another country to be some pervert's sex slave...

Guest - posted on 05/23/2014

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Please consider this information from the US FBI website:

"Human sex trafficking is the most common form of modern-day slavery. Estimates place the number of its domestic and international victims in the millions, mostly females and children enslaved in the commercial sex industry for little or no money.1 The terms human trafficking and sex slavery usually conjure up images of young girls beaten and abused in faraway places, like Eastern Europe, Asia, or Africa. Actually, human sex trafficking and sex slavery happen locally in cities and towns, both large and small, throughout the United States, right in citizens’ backyards."

"Not only is human sex trafficking slavery but it is big business. It is the fastest-growing business of organized crime and the third-largest criminal enterprise in the world."
"The United States not only faces an influx of international victims but also has its own homegrown problem of interstate sex trafficking of minors."
"Criminal networks transport these children around the United States by a variety of means—cars, buses, vans, trucks, or planes—and often provide them counterfeit identification to use in the event of arrest. The average age at which girls first become victims of prostitution is 12 to 14. It is not only the girls on the streets who are affected; boys and transgender youth enter into prostitution between the ages of 11 and 13 on average."

"Today, the business of human sex trafficking is much more organized and violent. These women and young girls are sold to traffickers, locked up in rooms or brothels for weeks or months, drugged, terrorized, and raped repeatedly.10 These continual abuses make it easier for the traffickers to control their victims. The captives are so afraid and intimidated that they rarely speak out against their traffickers, even when faced with an opportunity to escape.

Generally, the traffickers are very organized. Many have a hierarchy system similar to that of other criminal organizations. Traffickers who have more than one victim often have a “bottom,” who sits atop the hierarchy of prostitutes. The bottom, a victim herself, has been with the trafficker the longest and has earned his trust. Bottoms collect the money from the other girls, discipline them, seduce unwitting youths into trafficking, and handle the day-to-day business for the trafficker.

Traffickers represent every social, ethnic, and racial group. Various organizational types exist in trafficking. Some perpetrators are involved with local street and motorcycle gangs, others are members of larger nationwide gangs and criminal organizations, and some have no affiliation with any one group or organization. Traffickers are not only men—women run many established rings."

Guest - posted on 05/23/2014

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Doninique, I work in this field. You have no idea how many cases of child abductions NEVER make it to the news. I most cases, thousands of cases per year, when a teen disappears and there are no immediate leads, the police assume that the teen is a run away and the case goes on the back burner--they don't investigate unless everything more pertinent gets cleared up first, and they get a lead. That almost NEVER happens. It won't matter how hard your parents fight for them to investigate, if there are no leads, there is nothing to investigate.

Secondly, the security guard would not be some impostor in a guard costume, he would be an actual park employee, and he would know the park inside and out. It is VERY easy to create a false identity that will stand up to the background checks these parks use. These are seasonal, low paid workers, they hire new staff throughout the year, and the background checks are minimal.

The example I used is actually a very common technique used by takers in the sex trade. That security guard would have a weapon, possibly a whole stash of them in the park because he would know how to get around the security in the park, but he would probably never need to use it during an abduction, and he would use whatever procedure the park had in place to get you into the office.

There are instances where the park would be called as opposed to your cell phone--parent in a car accident? The hospital will call the park, not your phone. Of course now, in the past 4 years, technology has become available that allows markers who get close enough to their mark to access the mark's phone AND to makes calls and texts to the marks phone that appear to be from people in the mark's phone's contacts list. So the marker could easily send a text from all of your parents telling you to meet them in the park office. Or call saying he is the officer working an accident and found your number in your mother's phone, they are taking her to the hospital and your father will be at the park to pick you up at the office. Now, you could try to call your father to check, but the marker who accessed your phone will either stop all outgoing calls, or, if he has an advanced hacker nearby, he can route the calls you make to the receiver's voice mail since he has the receiver's number now. That is less common because it can't be done from the marker's phone, they have to have a pretty sophisticated set up, but the blocking of outgoing calls is common. So you try to call your dad, and you get a message--whatever is standard for your area--that the call cannot be completed. You might realize something is suspicious, but what do you do? Do you go to the security office to report it? That is where the abductor is waiting.

Another technique is for the employees at the snack bars to drug a mark's drink. 20 minutes or so after you leave the snack bar, one of you will start to feel ill and you will all three go to the medical station, and that is where you are taken. The sex slave industry is a multi billion dollar industry. Collectors work in teams comprising of 30 people up to enterprises containing hundreds of people. They have access to false ID's, airplanes, TSA, storage facilities, some even have connections within local, state, and possibly federal police forces to slow down investigations on missing teens and limit information that gets to the press.

You are correct in that there is no way to ensure 100% that you will not be kidnapped anywhere, but knowing how it is done can help protect you and reduce your chances. The mainstream idea that perps reach out from dark places and grab their victims is old and out dated. It just doesn't happen that way anymore, and when you do get a perp stupid enough to try it, they get caught. The new reality is that sex industry kidnappers do not need a dark corner or non busy place to take a girl, in fact, they thrive in crowds because when a place is crowded, everyone is paying attention to staying with the people they are with, they are not noticing the other people in the crowd specifically enough to remember them. I am not saying never go out, just take the necessary precautions when you do. There is a reason I chose this field.

Dominique - posted on 05/22/2014

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very accurate? ahaha. i don't even know why i'm bothering to respond to these. all of you're arguments are very, very flawed. but hey, what do i know? I'm not in-denial on the fact that i might look back at my argument and believe i was stupid. I'm only thirteen and i have a lot to learn. but as of right now, all of our parents have discussed and agreed to let me and my friends go to this amusement park alone. i guess all my friend's parents, and all the kids at school who go alone's parents, and MY parents are very irresponsible under you reasoning. under your reasoning, im surely going to get raped or kidnapped. under your reasoning, having a parent in the park is going to ENSURE 100% that i don't get raped or kidnapped. because you clearly know exactly what's going through rapists minds. they always watch their target and make sure they have no parents in the park. i've already been to the park once with no parents and all went pretty well. we were in line for the majority of the time, or riding rides. the path to the rides isn't near any bushes or trees. its a wide open space so i don't really see how its possible for someone to grab us, unless like 'guest' said, they developed some extremely intricate plan (which btw is very flawed), and were stalking us and we were too ignorant to notice. could we get raped or something? yeah, we could. but could i get kidnapped or raped on my way to school? on a field trip? at the mall? maybe when i go to a public bathroom? Yes. To me, the probability seems pretty darn equal. to me, going to this theme park with a group of friends is safer then going to the mall. The mall isn't packed, and there are plenty of empty areas. There are many exits in a mall. This park has one tiny exit with one of those slide bar things you have to go through, with a security guard next to it. it could happen anywhere. my friends and I are going to continue going to this theme park together without parents because we and our parents believe that it is safe and we are smart/ responsible enough to handle it.

Dominique - posted on 05/22/2014

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gee its been a while but i just noticed these comments and i have to respond...

so are you seriously saying that me and my friends getting raped, assaulted, or kidnapped is a PROBABLE circumstance? OF COURSE IT'S IMPROBABLE. Are you really telling me that there is more than a 20% chance that i AM going to be assaulted? The whole point of the news is to report unusual occurrences. of course there are some stories of young girls betting abducted or raped... but its a very, very, VERY unlikely situation. that's why its ON THE NEWS. and i need to elucidate the fact the we would NOT be the only group of thirteen year old girls there... since i posted this, me and one friend went to this amusement park together with no parents (and must I add that this park has been open since my dad worked there as a teenager and never has there even been an incident like the ones you are implying) and i saw probably 15 different groups of girls around my age in groups of 2's , 3's, and 4's. we were walking along the sidewalk and there were people EVERYWHERE. its pretty much IMPOSSIBLE for someone to pull us aside and 'rape' or 'abduct' us. At least 10 people would see it happening, and we would scream. they would'nt have a weapon to threaten us bc your bags are checked prior to entering the park, as well as a metal scanner. Obviously you don't know where i live and where this park is but it is pretty well known by parents in this town that this is a safe environment. that's why all my friend's parent's allow them to go in groups. even my best friend whose mom is known to be VERY overprotective just started allowing her to go to this park without a parent in a group of 4 people or more.

Liz - posted on 04/25/2014

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I'm 42 now, but when I was 14 I had a bad experience at a fairground. I was there with my cousin and it was really only because of her that we were okay in the end, because she had a little more in the way of 'street smarts'.

We were basically carefully groomed by a small group of adult men, who encouraged us at first to play the arcade games with their money. They heard us exclaim when we ran out of our own and still wanted to play, so offered this for nothing. For maybe an hour, they encouraged this, merely standing around offering appropriate small talk while they watched the games we played. Clearly this should have been a red flag, but we were naive enough not to notice in the beginning.

Both of us felt uneasy when they started mentioning a local restaurant and asking if we'd like to go there. Things got very uncomfortable and intimidating; we only extricated ourselves by accepting their business card and telling them we'd be right back after we went and found a couple of our other friends also at the fair because 'they'd want to come too'.

It could have gone a lot worse but even so was uncomfortable enough to stick in my mind after decades. Far too many things can go wrong for unaccompanied teenagers. I don't intend to hover over my daughter the whole time, but I certainly would not permit her to go to a fair or park like this entirely unsupervised.

Dominique, if you bought the prepaid tickets without consulting your parents first, then that's a life lesson for you. If your parents bought the tickets and now don't want to supervise you, really this is their fault, but I still cannot fault it if they decide not to let you go unsupervised.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 04/24/2014

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WOW. That is such an accurate account of exactly what could happen it is scary. I hope that Guest didn't experience that herself, and has simply done the research, because...well, just WOW...I had a pic in my head about the 'worst case' scenario, but that pretty much trumped it.

Dominique, my oh so mature 13 year old...What is your response to THAT? Because, as I said, it's pretty much a VERY accurate account of exactly how you and your friends can be abducted, removed, and raped within hours.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/23/2014

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Also it is not improbable circumstances. Watch the damned news every now and then.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/23/2014

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Then you shouldn't have prepaid tickets if your parents cannot go. Who paid for them? Did they? If they bought them and did not think it through, then that is on them for dropping the ball.

Having check in time at a designated location usually works. DUH but a 13 year old would not have thought of that. And usually cell phone contact. Hell, that at the very least.

Dominique - posted on 04/23/2014

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and i am thirteen going on fourteen next month but if you want to believe that i'm some 8 year old or something than feel free...

Dominique - posted on 04/23/2014

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i do understand that. and if that were an option, i would go with that. tickets are 60.00 per person. my friends and I all have a pre-paid pass for the entire year. non of our parents want to pay 60.00 to come in with us and sit down. plus, they all have to work. our plan is to have my friends dad to drop us off on his way to work, because that works with his schedule. at this time, my parents are both at work, friend #1's parents are all at work and that leaves friend #2's mom, who is not going to pay just to sit alone at a starbucks or somewhere random in the park for a couple hours, for no actual reason.

so say we DO actual get confronted (which is very unlikely). so how is having a parent in the park really going to help? maybe it will help if we are able to communicate to her we are in trouble or if she notices (and the crowd of people around us didn't notice) , or if she can get to us quickly enough after noticing we are gone (even though we were out of her sight anyways) . are you saying that under the improbable circumstance that we are in trouble , and the improbable circumstance that having an adult in the park is going to save our lives from that improbable circumstance, we should have a parent pay just to sit there AWAY from us so they probably wouldn't be able to help us in a situation like that anyways?

we plan on going to this park somewhat often and we aren't going to have our parents keep paying $60 to sit down and do nothing. I understand 'you'd rather be safe than sorry' but really.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/23/2014

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Having a couple/few parents there as a "just in case" backup is the responsible way to handle this. If you were that mature of a 13 year old girl as you say you are, then you would understand that. But I digress, cause you have already lied once, not really sure what to believe from you. Yes, an act of someone untrustworthy.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/23/2014

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And Dominique, there are moments that I think you truly are a 13 year old girl, and other moments that I think you are lying.....again.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/23/2014

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Once again, big differences Ariana. Also, a group of 10 girls will break off into smaller groups. Girls will leave the group to go run and do something "real quick". Anything can happen at any time, but I personally would not intentionally be neglectful with my child simply because other parents are letting them. Sorry, I don't fall under peer pressure, unlike a 13 year old girl.

Dominique - posted on 04/23/2014

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i'm not failing to admit anything... i don't see how i'd act dramatically different. its not like im going to be breaking any rules or something. the only difference i can think of from them being right next to me vs them not being there is that we will talk about different stuff that we usually wouldn't say in front of my parents. and even that, we wouldn't be talking about anything THAT bad... just stupid stuff.
we wouldn't be talking to anyone we don't know, we wouldn't be daring each other or making bad decisions... what differences do you have in mind that i'd 'commit' from my parents not being there?

Ariana - posted on 04/23/2014

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No one is going to kidnap the group of 13 year olds. I know 13 year olds bigger than me.

In life there's always a risk of some sort of loony being around kids, whether it's the amusement park, mall, sidewalk. I had some guy ask me to go off with him in my town when I was 11 just walking across town and was smart enough to just walk away.

If it was ONE 13 year old girl, or a group of younger girls I would agree with you, but they're teenagers and there are a whole bunch of them. Yes there is ALWAYS a risk of someone behaving inappropriately I can't deny that, but that is a risk EVERYWHERE.

I worry about other peoples driving skills, people get into accidents all the time, it's possible when I go drive today I'll get into a car accident. Should I stay at home? How high is my risk? Yes I could possibly have someone else crash into me, it happens all the time, but I go drive if I can.

I understand the worry but once again, if they're all fairly responsible and stick together I think it's acceptable.

Jodi - posted on 04/23/2014

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I don't know, I think it depends where you live. and depends on the amusement park. Some I would and some I wouldn't.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/23/2014

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I see it differently Ariana. It is not only the behavior of the kids in a group, but the other people that are there. I am not solely thinking about the 13 year olds activities. I don't trust crowds of people around young children, and that is just what they are. Let's be honest.....an amusement park is way different than them going to the mall or the movies.

Ariana - posted on 04/23/2014

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Yeah I think you should be able to go. Leaving a group of 10 year olds at an amusement park is weird, but a group of 13 year old girls? Even kids who aren't that great probably aren't going to get into to much shit at an amusement park, let's be honest.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/23/2014

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There is a difference, and the fact that you can not admit that, is showing how naive you are. You came to a mothers site asking for advice, lying and pretending to be your mother. Does she know you are doing this?

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them not being at the park vs. them being at the park but not WITH us? yeah. I would act the same. both ways they are out of earshot.
same thing how if my friends were over at my house, we would not talk about certain things if my parents were in the same room, but if we were on the second level in my room and my parents were down stairs, vs if we were in my room and my parents were not at home, we would not act any different. in both scenarios they cannot hear us so yeah, i don't see why them being within a half-mile of me at the same park vs them not being at the park at all is going to make a difference in how we act.

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Yeah.

My dad used to bring us to amusement parks but basically we all just ran off, met up for lunch, and then met up before we left.

If she's shown she's responsible then I would let her.

You aren't letting her go to some random party spot for hours, she's going to the amusement park. A 13 year old girls idea of getting in trouble is running around like a bunch of idiots.

Tell her the rules and get her to text/cal you every hour like you had previously and it should be fine. Only don't let her do stuff if she's showing you she's irresponsible, but it sounds like she is being a responsible kid so she deserves to have a longer rope.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/23/2014

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ANd you lie. You would NOT behave the EXACT same way if your parents were there, verses not.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/23/2014

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I remember exactly what it was to be 13 and I was one of the good girls. You can discuss all the things you want, but a couple of parents at least should be hanging around also. They don't need to be WITH you (trust me they probably want their own time away from you anyhow) but just present in the amusement park incase anything happens.

You can say whatever you want about you and your friends and how responsible you are, but there WILL be other people there that do NOT have good intentions with 13 year old girls. I would expect my kids to understand that at your age. MY job as a parent is to protect my kids at all costs. Will they like it? not always.

Going to an amusement park by yourselves for 4-5 hours???? I think that the parents would be WICKED irresponsible to let that happen, even if you guys are all good as your word.

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i know i shouldn't be on here, but I am the thirteen year old, and i would never do that. i was taught better than to talk to random men. if one started complementing me, i would quickly get away and get to security / call my parents. i would never get 'excited' by some creepy, older guy complementing me.

kids are a lot more educated on that kind of stuff than you'd think. in some cases, yeah some girls could be fooled by those kind of things. but i think it depends on the maturity/responsibility of the thirteen year old to determine whether or not they are allowed to go to an amusement park with no supervision, not just by the fact that they are a thirteen year old girl who are always 'gullible' and 'easily lured in by rapists'

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ok, ok, i'm the thirteen year old girl. I know it was foolish of me to get on here, but i was curious on what other parents would think. i believe i could handle it, but obviously that is not my decision. my parents are still discussing it.

but stealing, lying, and daring each other to do stupid things are the LAST thing my friends and I would do. What do you have in mind? Us stealing candy, jumping the fences, and flirting with 21 year old men? i think you are generalizing thirteen year old girls as the ones you see in movies and TV shows. i promise, I'm not that stupid and am MUCH more responsible than that.
if my parents were just sitting down somewhere random in the park, i would behave the EXACT same as if they weren't there at all. i don't want them to have to pay for tickets, sit in the park, and wait there fore 4-5 hours and neither do they.

The only reason my friends and I want to go alone is to be able to discuss things WE want to. Every time our parents take us, they butt into our conversation and start having small talk. Not to mention, it limits what we can talk about. And over all, it would just be much more enjoyable with just us. i know this sounds like pretty poor reasoning, but almost everyone at my school go to this theme park in groups without parents, because its pretty well known that this is a safe environment.

i know you probably know better than me, and i sound like this stupid teenager trying to debate, but it appears you have VERY low expectations of girls my age, and i promise we are not like that.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 04/23/2014

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Actually, Dominique, A LOT could go wrong with allowing a gaggle of young ladies loose in the amusement park.

Not that they'd cause trouble, but there are a plethora of opportunities for creepo's to lure them off (all it takes is a few well placed compliments, and the girls are thrilled at the attention from an older guy...), or for them to be assaulted sexually, by the same creeps.

I cringe when I watch the kids that age in our area...

Dominique - posted on 04/23/2014

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the thing is, tickets are quite expensive and the girls parents aren't interested in sitting around. the girls all have pre paid passes. also, she's made a point of what could go wrong? there has never been an incident at this park. security is tight and bags are checked before entering. also, there are so many people so there's no chance of kidnapping. there's only one exit and it has security all around.

I've asked this question because I believe the girls should be allowed to go but my husband disagrees....

~♥Little Miss - posted on 04/23/2014

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Nope. I would be the least worried about dehydration for crying out loud. I think if they want to go, then a group of parents can go also and just not hang out with the kids.

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