Stupid drs

Merry - posted on 06/25/2011 ( 49 moms have responded )

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I'm watching 16 and pregnant and this poor girls dr told her 'ok you're 40 weeks so let's induce you!' so she goes in for a scheduled inductio which increases her risk of an emergency c section, they start pitoci which makes the contractions hurt way more, and also causes babies heart rates to drop a lot' they break her waters, she's laying flat on her back in the bed which also causes babies to be in distress due to the blood being cut off, she is writhing in pain so soon she's begging for an epidural. Then they make her push flat on her back which is the hardest way to get a baby out, and finally the baby comes out. He has the internal monitor screwed into his little scalp, likely because his heart rate was falling.

Why is inducing becoming routine? What's wrong with going into labor when the baby is actually ready? Why do they make moms lay in bed when we are designed to move through contractions to help the baby position themselves and to help the pain stay in control?
Why is it that everything they do in labor and delivery seems to be for the drs benefit and not for the mom and baby?

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I am in Australia and my last baby was an aweful experience. It happens everywhere but because my child is a very healthy almost 1 yr old i guess there is no point to keep dwelling on the aweful experience i had with him and considering my other 2 were brilliant labours and births so with ods of 2 out of 3 i'm not complaining.

Amber - posted on 06/28/2011

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I had an amazing doctor for my birthing experience :)
They aren't all stupid, nor are they all about money.

I had severe complications, so I was in labor for 32 hours. I had to be induced because my blood pressure was 160/109.
The first 24 really weren't bad, it was random contractions because they were trying to get my labor going. The last 8 actually weren't that bad either.

I had pitocin, but still didn't want to have an epidural. My doctors and nurses encouraged me to have a natural birth and never once asked me if I wanted pain meds. They did everything they could so that they didn't have to take me in for a c-section, because of their efforts and hard work I didn't have to have one.

I had to lay down during labor due to all of the machines I was hooked up to. But they attempted to adjust the bed as much as possible and help me move anyway I needed to within the confines.
Other moms in labor were walking in the hallways. My nurse kept telling me that we needed to get my blood pressure a little lower because they wanted me up walking too, it just wouldn't work though. Doctors in my area are even having birthing tubs installed so that women can be encouraged to go more natural.

So yes, some doctors are jerks. Just like some grocery clerks, plumbers, electricians, waiters, or salespeople are jerks. It's not the whole profession, it's each individual. You have to find the doctor/midwife that is the right fit for you.

Kate CP - posted on 06/25/2011

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I actually used to be really anti-epidural. Honestly, I still am in most cases. But then the most horrible thing that I can imagine happening to a woman happened to me: prodromal labor. I was in labor for six days. Yes, six days of contractions, stalling out, not dilating, pain, and no sleep. It was NOT fun. When I finally got to 3cm I was admitted to the hospital and given demerol in hopes that I would sleep. I did sleep...in between contractions. So I was only sleeping every 6 minutes, which is not very restful sleep. I made it to transition when I finally said "I need to sleep. Call the anesthesiologist." I figured I'd have the epidural for at least 3 hours or more and I honestly thought they would have to give me pitocin to regulate contractions. So, I get the epidural, and 2 hours later I'm holding my son. I was able to relax and sleep and dilate and then push effectively (I had what's called a walking epidural and I could still feel my legs). I had an AWESOME anesthesiologist and never had back problems or headaches or anything after the epidural.

Most women DON'T need the interventions they get and honestly it makes for a more traumatic birthing experience. But for some women...that epidural is enough to let their bodies rest so they can do the work that needs to be done.

Tara - posted on 07/01/2011

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i guess i was lucky in queensland if you go public you automatically get midwives assigned to you in hospital and they give you as little as possible and you have to ask for pain relief if you want it and if you ask for anything stronger than gas they try and convince you to go without before giving in and getting you it, you can walk around all you want and choose any birthing position ,eat whenever have a hot shower the whole time if you can stand one that long unless there is a problem and then they do whatever needs to be done with your or your partners permission , i have had 3 children with no more than gas and for my first only had a 1st degree tear they stitched up after and expect no worse this time

Mrs. - posted on 06/28/2011

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Do you seriously think you are getting the straight version about this girls birth experience from 16 and Pregnant? I could never see MTV upping the drama of a hospital birth to make the programming more exciting...that would be so off what they stand for.

Seriously, you know nothing about this girl's medical history or what specific things led to the docs/nurses decisions to have her child come into the world safely. Just because you get a snap shot on a reality TV show of what her birth experience might have been like doesn't mean you may have missed out on a shit load of information and moments that may have led to the experience. I mean you have no clue, this might have been what the mother chose to do...you just can't know.

If you want to make a case for doctors being stupid, I'm all for it. Just maybe next time, use a better example. 16 and Pregnant is not exactly investigative reporting at its finest. Unless you count Anderson Cooper watching it in a hotel room some night when stuck in Iowa and eating ice cream in his underwear. That's about as close as you are going to get to it being hard hitting news.

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Bev - posted on 07/02/2011

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a doctor delivered both of mine....I am getting my information all the way back to my granny and I am almost 62....the male doc told them what to do...

Merry - posted on 07/02/2011

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Lol true, but drs didn't deliver babies usually! That was women's jobs. Some old grandma would be in charge of helping in labor.
Weird cuz my dr said, 'I will deliver you today' midwife said 'I assisted your delivery'

Bev - posted on 07/02/2011

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Because a man made the rules....I am not kidding...historically all docs were men...

Merry - posted on 07/02/2011

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Hi Lilliana! I also had a home birth with my daughter :) it was perfect too!

Tara - posted on 07/01/2011

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i could also contribute good births to being young and healthy and given all the information i needed from the hospital

Dana - posted on 06/29/2011

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Well, depending on where you live, you'll hear more MD horror stories because home births can be uncommon.

Lilliana - posted on 06/29/2011

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Agreed, but personally i've heard farmore MD horror stories- personally, i found home birth perfect IMO. :-)

Dana - posted on 06/29/2011

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And then of course there are also home birth stories that are horror stories. Should we say "Stupid Midwives" or say that "most mid-wives suck" - No.

Lorie - posted on 06/29/2011

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I have had four children..all at the same hospital and all with the same OB/GYN group..The first I was 16 and was a lovely experience considering my terror, I went into labor naturally nine days late, they let me walk around freely until after they broke my water and less than three hours later our daughter was born I had two shots of demerol in those three hours. The next delivery my water broke first so they induced my labor. It was MISERABLE. It was 10 hours of intense bedridden pain, no one offered me an epidural and I dont know if I would have done it if they had. I have a belief that you need to feel that pain in order to have the body's natural urge to get the baby out. My belief and not meant to enflame a debate. My third delivery was comepletely natural, no meds no issues and no problems. The fourth was a previa placenta baby, no option but a c-section. I was awake for the operation and my husband was there with me, and despite being 11 weeks early she weighed in at 4lbs 9 oz and was home at the end of the week with me. I will say that the healing after the C section took me ALOT longer than my reg. deliveries. After the others I was home in 24 hours and doing everything , with the c-section I needed help with it all. 16 and pregnant intrests me only because I was. I do not like all the drama they put into it and I'm not sure it's realistic...people behave differently when they know the whole worlds watching.

Bonnie - posted on 06/28/2011

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I just read most of the posts. I am in Canada. I had 2 preplanned c-sections. First was breech, second was health issues that could have harmed my baby.
The first was the most horrible experience in my life. I would not give the hospital a good review to anyone. The only reason I went back was because I was so freaked out during my second pregnancy that I figured at least I know my ob and the hospital.
My second was the best experience. I could not have got through it without the staff at the hospital.
Everything was different. So sometimes it is just the trainning they get as well. The nurses were even commenting on how when I had my first the hospital had different policies.
I don't think it is a country or doc thing, I felt like it had something to do cause of the show. Just my thought.

Karla - posted on 06/28/2011

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I had a fabulous birth experience in a hospital in the USA. Many on this site forget that the "ideal birth" is different for each woman. I wanted as few interventions as possible and that is exactly what I got. I have a friend who was induced and had an epidural, and she was absolutely just as happy with her birth experience as I was.

Bonnie - posted on 06/28/2011

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I thought the same thing watching that show. Most people I know that go past their due date are allowed to go to 42 weeks before they induce. They are also told to walk around. I don't know why on that show they are all induced by 40 weeks and they are never up moving around. Maybe it has something to do with it being a show or maybe it is different cause I am in Canada.
I was there when my mom was induced and the first thing they told her was to start walking. They didn't make her stay in bed till her water broke. She had no drugs and no issues with heart rates.

Kate CP - posted on 06/28/2011

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I tried walking...and squatting, massage, raspberry leaf tea...nothing made the contractions work more effectively to get me dilated. FOR SIX DAYS!!! :P

Lady Heather - posted on 06/28/2011

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Ha. Flat on the back is the only way I could get the kid out for some reason. I had a midwife and we tried all these positions because I was fully dilated but she wasn't coming down. So finally I was like "I kind of just want to lie down". And out she comes.

Stephanie - posted on 06/28/2011

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Idk about any of the other moms on this site but laying flat on my back just gives me heartburn! I sure as heck wouldnt be laying flat on my back during labor even if my dr told me to! And I agree walkin is what I imagin your supposed to do when your "induced." I was not induced when I had my daughter, my dr and I had not even talked about it! I wouldnt opt to be induced even if I were 43 weeks! If the baby isnt ready to come out then its not time! wait till the baby is mature enough to come on its own! Thats how I feel!

Amber - posted on 06/28/2011

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My positive experience is in the USA. I've never talked to anybody that wasn't in this forum who said that they had a bad birth experience. Some have had complications, like I did, but none have complained about the care they received or the birth plan.

I know my hospital wants everybody to take a birth class first, every doctor encourages it. The class is comprehensive and covers every type of birth plan, plus gives you relaxation and positioning advice.

Karen - posted on 06/28/2011

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I live in Canada and trust me, we have sucky Drs. My doctor isn't so bad. He's 'old school' and likes to have everything natural (even tho I'm begging for an epidural or a c-section, he say "oh, you've done it before...") Not that I REALLY needed either, but you know in the moment of pain you yell anything.

Anyways, my labours aren't long, but I push for 1 1/2 - 2 hrs and my Doc always play "which position next..." hands and knees, on the side, squating, ect... in the end he usually picks on my back and even tho I HATE that position it does seem to work. I don't agree with inductions weeks early because you're uncomfortable or because the baby MIGHT be big.... I beg to get my membranes stripped as close to my due date as possible, that's the most intervention he'll do, but it'll only work if you're ready.

Dana - posted on 06/28/2011

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Those are just moms who complain though. There are plenty of positive birth stories in the US. It just seems you want to focus on the negative side of it. I've also seen plenty of negative birth stories from other countries too.

It's actually pretty equal if you want to go off of CoM birth stories.

Merry - posted on 06/28/2011

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From many discussions here hearing women upset about bad drs, bad hospitals etc, most I hear are in the states, and most the ladies saying how wonderful their dr hospital or birth was I find out they are in Canada, or England, or Australia.

It's not like every dr in USA sucks, it's just a lot I hear of from the moms here and in real life.

Dana - posted on 06/28/2011

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Laura, where do you come up with your statement of "It's definitely bad here in most parts of usa" or even "most any other country has better care for labor and delivery"

That's simply not true.

Merry - posted on 06/28/2011

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It's definitely bad here in most parts of usa....,.most any other country has better care for labor and delivery

Carolyn - posted on 06/28/2011

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i have to agree not all docs are inducing, pain medication, lay flat on your back and dont move kind of people.

My birth experience was completely dictated by what i said.

I was always presented with options. I was dilated to 7 without even being in labour but having my regular braxton hicks at my 40th week appt. my doctor had me monitored and met me at the hospital where we decided together what the approach would be. Break my water and have a baby , or wait and see and induce when necessary. I chose to have my water broken.

allthough i was on an IV drip, had the scalp monitor on the baby, i was able to toilet when needed, walk around, spent 70 % of my labour in the shower and was on my feet for all but the progress checks and pushing. When i said i had enough with the med student, that was then end of it. I got a shot of nubane at my own request, and not once did anyone try to push anything on me at any time.

But i did have one of the most recomended ob's in town and I knew my L&D Nurse.

Only once was i encouraged to remain in a position that was uncomfortable, and that was on my hands and knees to get baby to turn to stop the back labour. but all in all, I had say over everything, and did what ever i needed to ease the discomfort.

really cant complain.

maybe its an american doctor kind of thing because i hear more and more from people in the states on here and that i know personally about doctors inducing and c-sections to plan deliveries around schedules, holidays, parents preference etc. ive heard alot of things coming from the US that really shodcked me

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Stupid Dr's is rght!!

ITS ALL ABOUT $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$



DONT FORGET LADIES, WE DO HAVE A SAY SO IN OUR TREATMENTS!!!

GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF YOU LADIES OUT THERE WHO MAY BE GOING THROUGH ANY OF THIS!

GOOGLE WHAT YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT AND DO NOT LET YOUR DR'S MAKE ALL THE DECISIONS ABOUT YOUR LIFE!! MOST OF THEM JUST DON'T WANT TO GET OUT OF BED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND WANT THE EASY MONEY!

Sarah - posted on 06/27/2011

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My dr did the same thing to me...I let them cause I was stupid and only 20. I was told to stay flat on my back...the babys heart rate went down and I had an emergancy c-section

Stifler's - posted on 06/25/2011

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I think it's more like the minute they think something is out of the ordinary it becomes a federal case. I saw the antenatal doctor.. "so do you feel bigger with this baby.. we better send you for a scan". Scan said the baby was large so I was scared and he was all for inducing me at 40 weeks, luckily the midwife talked him out of it. I was induced at 10 days over and yeah you guessed it... emergency c-section after like 7 hours of lying on the bed on the monitor because the heart beat wasn't right and "20 more minutes we just want to see how the baby is... oh yep jut 30more minutes... you're going to have to stay on for 20 more minutes". I didn't even have a drip though they just broke my water and all this happened. I birthed my first baby perfectly vaginally on the toilet, stood up and he shot out, no stitches 5 days over without being induced.

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Oh my 16 and pregnant annoys me. I have not seen one birth on there that the girl didn't have the epi. And 90% are induced. Stupid stupid show and yet i still watch it.

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It does seem logical, working with gravity. I birthed our first on my back. Thankfully, I have a cavern for a pelvic outlet and I basically just sneeze my babies out.

I don't watch 16 and pregnant because it annoys my husband. Lol- if I do he'll hear about it for the rest of the night.

Katherine - posted on 06/25/2011

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Nope, not for my second. It was the worst experience of my life. I was coughing so hard. That's probably why the cord got wrapped IMO.

Dana - posted on 06/25/2011

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The bed wasn't angled towards an incline or a sitting position though? I've never seen a doctor deliver that way and I've seen tons of delivery's on TV, and have been in the room for 4 births that weren't my own.

Katherine - posted on 06/25/2011

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Literally flat on my back.



***Edit to add with my legs up to my chin.

Dana - posted on 06/25/2011

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Yes, you can be sure they cater each show to extreme insanity. lol

I have a question for those of you who say "flat on your back" Were you literally flat on your back? That doesn't even make sense.

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Eh...it probably made for good TV & high ratings. Who gives a damn about the poor kid in miserable pain and faulty messages sent out to the target teen population? Oh, I gues that was the point maybe?

Katherine - posted on 06/25/2011

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The flat on the back thing KILLS me. Gravity people!!!!!

Doctors should know this.
Induction is horrible, had it done. I was in labor for 23 hours (nothing like Kate) writhing in pain.
Almost too late for the epi.
They FREAKED me out when they said the cord was wrapped around my daughters neck and if I didn't push they would have to do an emergency c-section.
Which of course I was pushing so hard I nearly shit myself.
They had every damn tool in the hospital up my vagina, including their fist, with "students" watching the entire thing.
Oh did I forget to say I was coughing up my lungs and kept telling them I felt like shit? "oh it's just dry in here."

I had pneumonia.


So yeah, they don't know NOTHIN'

Dana - posted on 06/25/2011

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Erin, epidurals aren't supposed to stall labor. It does for some women but, that is not it's purpose.

Erin - posted on 06/25/2011

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Then add in insurance companies. My husband is in the USMC. We have TriCare which will not pay for a midwife for a home birth or even going to a birth center. Only the hospital. I was almost 41 weeks and went in to be induced. Since I was not contracting regularly, they were surprised that I was dilated to 5 cm. However having a lower back injury from childhood and having to labor on back, I got an epidural because I could not tell where one contraction ended and another started. I was just in contant pain. I did not know that an epidural was supposed to stall labor so, luckily, it didn't happen that way. It's not just hospitals that make normal births next to impossible, it's insurance companies too. If Tri-Care had been willing to pay for a birth center I do believe my first birth would have gone differently, which would have meant that my second birth would have been different too. In the end, I did have two vaginal deliveries with two beautiful, healthy boys so I don't hate my birth stories. I simply wish that there was more support for women from all walks of life to have better choices for giving birth,

Jennifer - posted on 06/25/2011

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I was so mad about the birth of my 2nd child. I had a doc appt in the morning, and wasn't sure if my water had broke the night before. Doc checked me, and yes it was my water, and I was 5cm. They sent me up to labor and delivery where there wasn't any rooms available (big hosp, and very busy that day). They stuck me in the recovery room for c-sections. I wasn't having consistant contractions (shoot, I couldn't even feel them). They started my IV when the light above me wouldn't work, so lots and lots of failed attempts. I finally got into a room, and had to pee. The nurse refused to let me go to the bathroom! She shoved me on a bed pan and told me that at 5cm, they didn't want a baby born in the toilet, so I had to use it. Seriously!!! It was so disgusting, and I was so upset. I thought emptying your bladder was a good thing, and the motion of walking to the bathroom a good thing too. Noone cares about what the woman wants, or feels in her body is right, it's what the text books say should be done! I'm not anti-epidural. I had them, but when a woman doesn't have much of a choice about moving to make herself feel better, what else is there?

Merry - posted on 06/25/2011

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I agree Kate, my first son I was in labor for 32 hours and had absolutely no sleep, so I finally got an epidural. He as born 8 hours later. But in retrospect I really wouldn't have needed the epidural if I had remained upright and moving through the labor. I was sitting or laying down the whole time and this stalled my labor!

Merry - posted on 06/25/2011

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Lol yup I saw the business of bring born! And then planned our home birth! It went great and all the way it should. I get sad when I see drs robbing moms of a good normal birth experience.

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They snowballed her straight into surgery, didn't they!
They are standing there with all these drugs...and tools...and knowledge...and they WANT to use it. That's WHAT they went to COLLEGE for and devoted their LIVES to!
Problem is...most women don't NEED those drugs..or those interventions.
Pitocin speeds contractions...
so now you are in pain.
So they give you an epidural.
The epidural slows your contractions.
So you need more Pitocin.
So you are in pain again.
So they up your epidural.
Your contractions stall.
So you get more pitocin.
The baby's heartrate drops...you are in surgery.

Have you seen The Business of Being Born?
That documentary explains this best.

Excuse me please...I need to go find my midwife and hug her!

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