To get MMR shot or not??

Michelle - posted on 12/15/2011 ( 204 moms have responded )

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My son is 2 1/2 and I'm supposed to get his MMR shot, I know there Is alot of debate and I'm still not sure what to do, if I should have him get the shot or not. Some opinions and personal experience would really help

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Kate CP - posted on 12/19/2011

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Oy. You know...some people will believe anything they read or see on the internet.

Here's the problem with not vaccinating: You're dealing with the high probability that if your child contracts one of these diseases they could either die from it or become seriously ill and need to be hospitalized. The problem with becoming seriously ill and needing to be hospitalized is it usually leaves a scar on the child in the form of brain damage or hearing loss from high fevers, heart damage from viral infections, kidney and liver damage from prolonged illness. These "harmless" childhood diseases have claimed HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF LIVES over the years. Before there were vaccines for it pertussis (whooping cough) would sweep through populations and wipe out children of all ages. It didn't matter if you were affluent and well fed or poor and hungry: the virus ravaged your body. The vaccines are NOT what is causing the developmental problems with our kids: it's our diet and daily exposure to toxins and pesticides. If you're eating a diet that's filled with food that's been processed beyond recognition (I'm talking Kraft mac and cheese, Hamburger Helper, frozen dinners, instant foods, processed meats and cheeses) or raised on farms using hormones and/or systemic pesticides you are feeding your child poison. Period. Those items are ingested on a daily basis. You're arguing against a shot that's given ONCE.

WHY aren't moms more up in arms about the FOOD?! Why don't we rail against the toxic diet we're shoveling into our kids?! Instead we rant and rage against a vaccine that has saved MILLIONS of children! AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES A PROBLEM WITH THIS?!

Jenni - posted on 12/17/2011

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You do realize there's been 20+ studies on whether or not there is a link between Autism and the MMR. ONLY 3 studies claimed there was a link and all 3 were shown to falsify research and have been discredited. The other 20 showed no link, and these are studies done all over the world.



The only FACT is that no one knows what causes Autism. So claiming that you know for a FACT your son's MMR caused his Autism is anecdotal at best. A FACT is something that is universally accepted. A link between MMR and Autism is not universally accepted. There are a million possibilities of what triggers Autism. Continuing to try to prove a link between vaccines and Autism is wasting time beating a dead horse when we should be using our resources to search other possible triggers in our environment.



Here's one for you... why is it that America suffers from the highest Autism rates in the world.... when all other nations give the MMR as well? Let's see...



highly industrialized, and unregulated industry... including highly unregulated use of pesticides, hormones, and chemicals in your foods including MSG, higher allowance of mercury levels than other countries, and GMOs.



And you think it's in a once-three times in your life vaccine? You are exposed to far, far more deadly, damaging substances on a daily basis.



Do you think it's possible that cases of Autism tend to be higher in low income homes because of this? Take a good look at their general diet, the foods they can afford.



And immunisations have nothing to do with weakening your immune system. They build your immune system against the targetted disease by bringing it into contact with (for the most part) benigh or dead virus so your immune system learns to defend itself against it if it were to come in contact with it in the future.



It has absolutely nothing to do with how many colds/flus your children catch. I could throw out anecdotes on how my 3 children are all up to date on their vaccinations and have never had an ear infection and rarely get sick. I can count on one hand the number of colds all three of my kids have had combined.



For the last time, get your children vaccinated instead of following the pseudoscience of naturopathic web doctors trying to sell you their merchandise.... while endorsing their own brands of formula (ironic).



I bet if I looked on the web... I could find a website that tells me that Aliens have visited Earth....... oh wait... here we go: http://www.real-alien.blogspot.com/

It's on the web! It must be true!



There are other factors affecting the increase in diagnosis of the Autism, doctors are now able to diagnose the disorder at a younger age than in the past and you also have to factor in the 56% increase in diagnosis of milder forms of Autism.



Bottom line- No one knows for a FACT what causes Autism. So if the Scientific Medical Community doesn't know... you most certainly don't know either. And there are about a million and one possibilities currently being examined. Some I have listed above. So out of that million and one possibilities you personally decide it's our childhood vaccinations and choose not to vaccinate your child based on, what is at most a "guess" at a possible cause... thus exposing them to *factual*, very real, potentionally deadly diseases... I guess that's all on you. Keep in mind your putting those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, newborns and pregnant mothers at risk based on your faulty research.

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Yes yes yes yes get him his shot! Vaccines save lives. There is NO evidence that they are harmful beyond emotional paranoia about toxins. They work , they are not harmful unless you are allergic to the ingredients.

Please take your darling baby for his shots. Measles is not a harmless disease. It can and does kill. Mumps is also not a benign illness and Rubella is just as bad. Many famly clinics will help you with costs or offer vaccines at no cost.

Ruth - posted on 12/18/2011

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Michelle- Having worked in Public Health 24 years, I can tell you this subject draws incredible passion from both the pro and anti vaccine groups. I have seen both sides of the conversation. Vaccinations were successful in wiping out polio and smallpox and we were close with measles. Vaccines do save lives. I understand your concern with whether to vaccinate your healthy child. All I can say is visit with your healthcare provider. Let them lay out the pros and cons. Ultimately, it will be your decision. But make it an informed decision. Measles,mumps and rubella are still very much present in our country and pose very bad health risks. Children die from chickenpox and pertussis. You just need to weigh the facts. Blessings as you continue this journey.

Rosie - posted on 12/18/2011

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well considering there is no proof that vaccines are more harmful then the diseases that they prevent, i get my kids vaccinated. there is not one scientific study that has linked MMR to autism, or any other disease/condition.

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Christina - posted on 12/19/2011

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If there were not any really bad reactions to his shots in the past (he should've already had that when he was a baby) then I would do it. The benefits of vaccines outweigh the risks. There are decreased cases of measles, mumps, & rubella because of the vaccines which is why in my opinion eveveryone should get the pediatrician recommended vaccines so those rates stay down.

Erin - posted on 12/19/2011

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Well, of you feel that vaccines are not needed, let's find an area of the world that has polio (if you can find one), then, let your child live with them for a few years (it might not even take that long) and lets see how you feel about vaccination when your child ends up in an iron lung. I've seen people with residual effects of polio, not the prettiest thing. All I ask then, is keep your unvaccinated kids away from crowds and away from other parents younger kids who have not had the chance for a vaccination yet so your child doesn't give them something like measles, mumps, rubella. Even chickenpox can have complications. I watched a video about vaccinations, and a mother decided not to vaccinate. Her son ended up with chickenpox, had complications and died. Upon autopsy they found chickenpox in his intestines.

Stephanie - posted on 12/19/2011

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So many opinions about this subject... and my personal choice was not to vaccinate. I have read Dr. Sears book on vaccines, I have researched countless hours before and after my son was born, I have discussed the issue with pediatricians and I have defended our choice with family and friends. The human body is a perfect machine and it is capable of healing itself. Pro-vaccine enthusiasts and pharmaceutical companies have convinced the world that we our imperfect and incapable of healing ourselves. This is a video from a Nephrologist explaining what happens when a child receives a vaccine, and also the domino effect from creating "hyper" immune systems... effects like asthma, respiratory issues, allergies, all which have increased dramatically along with the increased vaccine schedule.

Erin - posted on 12/19/2011

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Vaccines do not cause Autism, but IF there was a link, which would you prefer? An autistic child or child who died a slow horrible death due to an illness? Chickenpox can kill. Measles can kill, influenza can kill. Why do you think Polio was essentially eradicated? VACCINATION. I know that other illnesses can kill, and this sounds harsh, but this is a hot topic for me being a nurse and a mother knowing that there are people out there not willing to vaccinate and potentially cause harm to those who have been unable to e vaccinated yet (too young, ill when the vaccination was scheduled, etc).

Sal - posted on 12/19/2011

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There is no link....... The guy made the shit up!!!!! Why oh why can people read fabricated story but not the retraction ..... Fuck!!!!!! I
It's line banging your head against a wall because some guy told you it was right. He the. Tells you he made it up fir a joke and you keep doing it because he was a dr and you googled it and someone said they banged their head against a wall and they never felt better but you mum who was never for head banging has a head ache.....

Alixandra - posted on 12/19/2011

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RESEARCH!! Google as many questions you can think of, including ingredients, check out the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System to see how much you would want to risk those side affects, and the percentage of vaccinated children who get either M, M or R against the non vaccinated children who get M, M or R. Personally I have researched and still do incase I ever have to change my mind, but so far there is nothing that makes me want to take the risk of putting the toxins into my children. p.s. also research peanut allergies and vaccines.

Amber - posted on 12/19/2011

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BTW my father never had chicken pox he did however get shingles and the thing that triggers shingles is usually stress or direct contact with the virus. The vaccines won't prevent shingles and having chicken pox doesn't play a factor either. Its usually seen in older patients but even the young can develop shingles.

Amber - posted on 12/19/2011

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Did you delay his 12-15 month one? Really its a matter of for some kids the vaccines (any of them can be) can trigger Autism or other things but there are so many triggers and the vaccines are not the cause of any of it. The concern for many parents though is just that, they would rather not to vaccines and hope their child is fine vs facing autism and not knowing if the vaccines were the problem. There are risks either way and honestly given the history of Measles and Mumps and the damage it can do especially to a young child I wouldn't avoid the vaccine. There are risks with any vaccines, any medications, heck any foods or drinks you buy so there are risks everywhere but you have to see what is going to be worse on your child and decide what you feel is best. My kids are all vaccinated. My oldest son was born with Autism my second son is NT and third son may be ADHD/Bipolar which has nothing to do with vaccines.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 12/19/2011

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Kate, in NY food stamps do cover Organic food. Food stamps don't cover ready made foods.

Kate CP - posted on 12/19/2011

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*sigh* I never said they didn't have a choice in what to feed their children. I said they didn't have a choice as to whether or not it was pesticide free-organic. WIC and food stamps don't cover organic foods.

Amber - posted on 12/19/2011

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My son got all of his shots, he's autistic, do I believe that there is a Connection between the two? Heck no! My son showed signs before he even got the MMR vax. If your child is going to have autism, I believe that it genetic and they're born with it, you'll see the signs well in advance. Besides autism isn't the end of the world lol what if they caught one of those diseases and died from it? But vaccinations are a personal choice, go with your gut!

Sara - posted on 12/19/2011

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If there's no medical reason why he shouldn't have it, then he should definitely have it.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 12/19/2011

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Kate, I was on food stamps and I have taken care of people who are on food stamps. They do have a choice of what to feed their children. However the government only gives out a certain amount of money per family and healthy food is often more expensive than processed stuff. At least back in the US. In the US moms can also sign up for WIC and recieve vouchers for milk, eggs, cheese bread, cereal. produce and peanut butter. However those are also limited ammounts.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 12/19/2011

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No, Kate, I didn't contradict myself. You do have choice in when you take your child for vaccines. However, you do not have a choice to refuse to get one or another, unless you opt out on a religious waiver. Which, since my religion doesn't ban vaccinations, it would have been dishonest to do.

However, I did have a choice of whether I wanted it all at once, or one at a time. And, at the time, you had a choice whether to give the cp vaccine or not. I chose not. I didn't get an either /or choice for any of the others, just a "suggested" schedule, which I chose to alter, based on my experience.

And, those on the system DO have a choice of what is purchased with their food dollars. DFS is very good about that. As long as it's not a prepared food, such as hot pizza, there is PLENTY of choice.

The reason most on food assistance will purchase things that are not organic, or are pesticide free is due to the limit of dollars they have to spend per month, NOT by a list of food choices they must adhere to.

Mhairi - posted on 12/19/2011

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I very emotive subject! Firstly - I would be very careful what research you do on the internet, many , many bias opinions. Only my personal opinion but I would never vaccinate my kids. I am very lucky to homeopathy as an alternative. At most please go and see a homeopath for some protection against vaccination. At the end of the day you obviously have an instinctual nervousness about vaccination. Listen to these. Childhood illnesses are actually an important part of a child's development... just make sure you have homeopathy and some basic nursing skills. A little bit of info you guys n the US probably don't know - the U.S outlawed homeoparthy a couple of hundred yrs ago as settlers all came with their own kits of remedies endangering doctors businesses1

Naomi - posted on 12/19/2011

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i have a friend whose mum did not vaccinate her at all and as soon as she turned 18 she spent thousands of dollars getting all the vaccines she had missed out on. That proves her own mother was being selfish in not giving her vaccines. Oh and the measles outbreak currently in Canberra because half of one school were not immunised. If my newborn got measles because of them I would be fuming. So you are risking other peoples lives if you do not vaccinate your children

Kate CP - posted on 12/19/2011

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"@Kate C...Perhaps parents aren't "up in arms" about the food, because THEY GET TO CHOOSE WHAT THEY FEED! Ever think about that? If you CHOOSE to use box meals, then your nutrition is going to be barely there. If you CHOOSE to feed healthy foods, then you're going to be in a better boat. However, we no longer have a CHOICE when dealing with some of these vaccines.

I spread mine out. I didn't care what the docs wanted, I'd seen plenty of misery in kids growing up from getting too many shots at once. Not because of toxins or anything else, but because that's a lot of stuff to be putting into such tiny bodies all at once!..."

You just contradicted yourself. You say we have no choice about vaccines then go on to say you CHOSE to spread them out. People who are on food stamps and welfare get no say as to whether or not the food they buy is pesticide free. They have to buy what's covered by the program.

Sylvia - posted on 12/19/2011

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Tammy, I presume you also don't ever give your children any medications? Those also tend to have lists of potential side effects as long as your arm, the majority (and the most serious) of which are very, very rare.

Tammy - posted on 12/19/2011

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Hi Jen. Honestly, my daughter had a seizure after her vaccinations when she was about 3 yrs old. A friend's son became non verbal and diagnosed with autism after a round of his vaccinations. As you begin to research and learn about the toxins that are in some of the shots, you will be surprised. And the side effects are quite over whelming. You can get an extensive list from your doctor. They don't hand them out. You get a short list. THis is what I think The CDC has them pass out to the patients. The large list scares many away. I just think research is the best way to make a decision for your family. There are many toxic and poisonous additives to the vaccines including fermaldehyde, MSG, Aluminum (that may have been removed, my kids are older and our family hasn't vaccinated in many years), and more. This, as you know is a very controversial subject. Every family has to do what they think is best for their children. Good Luck!

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This is a very controversial and PERSONAL decision. While there are lots of opinions out there, the only opinion that truly matters is YOUR OWN. Read the various arguments on both sides and then do what YOU feel comfortable with doing. Do not let your doctor, your neighbors or anyone else convince you to do something to your child that you are not COMPLETELY comfortable about doing. The fact is that NO ONE has been able to determine what causes autism. While the study that initially determined a correlation between the MMR vaccine and autism has been debunked. There are lots of questions that are still being raised about whether the vaccination works as a trigger in certain individuals who may already be biologically pre-disposed to this disease. There are lots of anecdotal stories that raise questions. None of this is definitive proof, but if you have a question or a concern, don't steam full ahead until you are comfortable. My older son did receive the MMR but I delayed that specific vaccine until he was older (around 3). I also did not allow him to get any other shots at that time,just the MMR (which is really 3 vaccines in one any way). My younger son, got the first shot, but I decided not to give the booster as my nephew was diagnosed with autism around that time and I had some questions and concerns. My doctor informed me that the 2nd booster was only required because the first shot only worked on about 80% of the people vaccinated. The second booster was to ensure that everyone received immunity. Chances are that my son is already fully immune from his first shot but there would be no way to know absent a blood test to check. I'm comfortable with those odds. Other than the MMR, my sons have all their other vaccinations. However, I also delayed giving them the chickenpox vaccine for quite a time, until I was comfortable with the amount of time that it had been on the market and the follow up research on it. That was my comfort level and my decision. I know some people think its odd or just do all their vaccinations on the prescribed schedule without question. That works for them. My system worked for me. And I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks about it. I did what I knew I was comfortable with. You have to do the same.

Jenni - posted on 12/19/2011

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Shawnn, shingles is caused by the varicella-zoster virus laying dormant in your system and then resurfacing usually with the presence of a weakened immune system. You have to have been in contact with the chicken pox in order to develop shingles. There is no "if, ands or buts" about it. Shingles is caused by the varicella-zoster virus. Read *any* medical journal. Your anecdotes aren't backed up with medical fact.



And yes, I understand the CP vaccine is iffy, as it's in an infancy. I'm not trying to push it on you just clearing up some misinformation about shingles. I didn't get it for my son until last week actually (he's 3.5) I personally changed my mind because he has CSP (chronic skin picking) which can lead to staph infections as well as eczema. I got it for my daughter because she also suffers from eczema. Otherwise, I *may* have passed it up.

Mel - posted on 12/19/2011

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i was in the same boat as you when my son who is now 7 i was thinking should i should i not i was aware of te concerns that wher going arround but then i thort that if he get mumps ect he would be so uncomfortable after a long think i did go for it he was a bit grumpy for a few days as it to be expeted after injection im now glad that i went for it . our new baby has his comeing up when he 13 mth old he now 10 mth old so i wont be worrying like i did lasttime im going for it i would rather put up with a few bad days than a long time of baby been unhappy hope i have been able to help you

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 12/19/2011

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Sorry, Jenni, but I'll go with tried and true on that one. Out of 17 family members of my grandmother, 12 of them had chicken pox, the other 5 didn't. As they got older, the 5 that DID NOT have the original chicken pox virus DID have multiple bouts with shingles. The other 12? Nary a problem.

That, for me, is an overwhelming 70% in favor of my method. But that's why I live where I do. I have the freedom to decide whether or not I want to do that one, and I chose not.

I asked my kids if they'd be mad at me if they got sick from something that I hadn't had them vaccinated for, and they said, absolutely not, just as I wouldn't be upset with my mother if I came down with something she didn't have me shot up for.

Jenni - posted on 12/19/2011

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Shawnn, you can develop shingles from having the chicken pox naturally. My father in law has shingles from CP. When people are first infected with the varicella-zoster virus, usually as

children, they get chickenpox. Years or decades later, the virus can reactivate and cause shingles. Anyone

who has had chickenpox is at risk of shingles.



"The study, the largest of its kind, used electronic health records to identify more than 170,000 children vaccinated with the varicella (chicken pox) vaccine from 2002 to 2008 in Kaiser Permanente's Southern California region, then followed children for an average of two and a half years to identify the occurrence of herpes zoster.



Researchers found only 122 cases of herpes zoster among the 172,163 vaccinated children, for an estimated incidence of 1 case per 3,700 vaccinated children per year. This is a lower rate compared to what one would expect in the unvaccinated children based on previous experiences."



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...

Jessica - posted on 12/19/2011

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IMO....vaccinate, better safe then sorry and risks are few. There are only a couple vacs that I won't give my 3 boys and they have been out for less than 15yrs. I stick with the pediatricians schedule as I personally know what shots feel like and rather have them all at once instead of spread out. My kids are all healthy and only had low grade fevers (treated with warm baths, tylenol and TLC) and soreness at injection site (treated by gently rubbing during bath time) after two of the vaccines. I feed my kids mostly fresh produce, homemade meals, lots of fresh eggs and variety of meats/cheeses/fish/poultry...occasional boxed meals/snacks...my mom had me vaccinated with everything but chickenpox because I had chickenpox before it was time for the vaccine. I have since been healthy, recently had shingles and may get them again at some point in my life, 31 now) it's not been proven that the vaccines cause autism, shingles or any other diseases, however people afflicted always want to point the finger at someone/something as a cause. Reactions happen on occasion, we're all different, use your mom-tuition and do what's best for your family. My choice is to vaccinate as long as the vac has been in use for more than 30yrs, I'm the same with prescribed meds, I do nothing newer as so many are recalled nowadays. Rarely is there a bad batch of vaccines but that also can happen. I look out for my family, I get boosters myself as needed as does my husband, we don't do the flu shot because it changes every year (we stay home if sick) and quarantine ourselves, its also my responsibility to look out for my community, this is why I vaccinate.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 12/19/2011

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@Kate C...Perhaps parents aren't "up in arms" about the food, because THEY GET TO CHOOSE WHAT THEY FEED! Ever think about that? If you CHOOSE to use box meals, then your nutrition is going to be barely there. If you CHOOSE to feed healthy foods, then you're going to be in a better boat. However, we no longer have a CHOICE when dealing with some of these vaccines.

I spread mine out. I didn't care what the docs wanted, I'd seen plenty of misery in kids growing up from getting too many shots at once. Not because of toxins or anything else, but because that's a lot of stuff to be putting into such tiny bodies all at once!

Mine had one shot a visit. They didn't learn to fear needles, they never were affected by NOT having them on the government schedule, and they were all done by the time they started school

Oh, and ladies? Even if you vaccinate for chicken pox now, you'll still have to be vaccinated for shingles later, unless you've contracted the varicella virus...so getting that one, rather than letting them get sick, really isn't doing them any favors in the long run. Both mine had the chicken pox, and now they don't have to worry about shingles. Ever.

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Sunday, exactly what is the concern with the multi-shot? I'm of course very happy that you are not opposed to vaccination but I really do worry that the idea of speading them out lends credence that the vaccines are harmful and they're not.

and to answer someone else's query about why we blame vaccines instead of foods is this. People have a fear of technology and medicine. It boils down to an argument from ignorance. "I can't understand how it works so it may be harmful." Throw in an shyster researcher with zero scruples who tells everyone that there's a link between autism and vaccines and you have a recipe for death.

And people are dying from diseases that are easily preventable.

I still say, show me even one peer-reviewed study that shows any serious risk from vaccines and I'll get on my knees and apologize to all the nutty anti-vaxers out there. I'll even kiss Jenny McCarthy's feet.

Speaking of her - www.jennymccarthybodycount.com

Vicki - posted on 12/19/2011

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I have 3 children all of whom had their injections and ok 1 of them is autistic but I don't blame the vaccine at all as I saw the signs before she had her mmr.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 12/19/2011

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Kate, that's been proven in a lot of cases. I took care of a man who had MS and his mom had him on holistic meds and vitamins and it seemed to work better for him than another guy who was on actual medicine.

However MS is like Autism and Alzheimers. No one knows all the causes of it or why it happens or why it progresses faster in some people.

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I completely agree with some of the vaccines but I also believe that so many shots given to a child under 2 is crazy. Why can't we spread them out? I worked with my child's Pediatrician and came up with a better schedule that put me at ease and worked for them as well. It just meant going a couple extra times but I think it was alot better. 4 to 5 shots at a time is just ridiculous for a little one. As long as they have all their shots by school you are fine. If a doctor tells you that you have to go by their schedule then switch doctors and don't let them bully you into doing something you do not feel comfortable with. I had that happen to me with my first child and I switched doctors. They made me cry and everything. Just do what you feel is right, don't let anyone influence you. Most doctors will work with you. wish you luck.

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Ok please God tell me that all of you who are saying that these vaccinations are all part of big pharmacutical (I've been up since 5am with maybe 3hrs of uninterupted sleep) companies live in the US. Because in Canada everything is government run and we don't have all the crazy scare tactics. Seriously I think it's rather selfish to not vaccinate your children because you don't want to and risk them getting a potentially fatal, dibilitating disease. Because yes Charmaine Measles, Mumps and rubella are potentially fatal. I do not know which rock you have been living under.

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"The Best book I've read is WHAT YOUR DOCTORS DON'T TELL YOU ABOUT CHILDHOOD VACCINATION.
It will give you a vaccination schedule that I think is much better! Has you spread them out instead of give 4 at a time. "

Exactly what is the concern about getting them done at once? I hear this all the time and yet the only answer I get is something vague about toxins and yet we still see no ill effects across the globe.

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"The Best book I've read is WHAT YOUR DOCTORS DON'T TELL YOU ABOUT CHILDHOOD VACCINATION.
It will give you a vaccination schedule that I think is much better! Has you spread them out instead of give 4 at a time. "

Exactly what is the concern about getting them done at once? I hear this all the time and yet the only answer I get is something vague about toxins and yet we still see no ill effects across the globe.

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Sal, it's because people didn't have hysterical paranoia then. Paranoia caused completely by that shyster who first lied about his study. I won't even type his name because he makes me soooo angry.

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The Best book I've read is WHAT YOUR DOCTORS DON'T TELL YOU ABOUT CHILDHOOD VACCINATION.
It will give you a vaccination schedule that I think is much better! Has you spread them out instead of give 4 at a time. Also you should never vaccinate if they have been sick. Remember, it is your choice, not theirs! This book answered alot of questions for me! Research for yourself. Good Luck!

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Alisa, if what you say is true about pharmaceutical companies, no one would have heard about h-pylori bacteria. People with bleeding ulcers would still be taking very expensive proton-pump-inhibitors. However, several years ago a couple of researchers discovered that the leading cause of bleeding ulcers was this bacteria. Those suffering could now be completely cured with a strong course of antibiotics. they're no longer suffering nor living with the notion that a bad diet caused their ulcers - just bacteria. So now the evil Big Pharma can't sell them PPIs anymore. Yet we still heard about it.

Show me a reliable study about vaccines and autism. You do realize that the guy who first proposed this, lied and did so in order to SELL his own version of vaccines.

Sorry but you're just so wrong and it's not funny. People are dying because of those lies.

Sal - posted on 12/19/2011

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Can sOme one please tell me why this didn't happen when I was a kid, everyone vaccinated no one affected??? It makes no sence

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I waited til my daughter was 2 because that is when they say it is the safest...after 2 years old.

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So Alisa, what about all the other countries in the world? What you have stated is all about the pharma companies and profit in the US..... but how does that explain anything other than the brainwashing that occurs by pharmaceutical companies in the US? Not everyone here is from the US, you know. There isn't a big USA pharmaceutical conspiracy involved in other places.

Alisa - posted on 12/19/2011

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sorry..I was replying to a post and am clumsy at this. Someone wrote that it has been PROVEN that vaccines are safe. Sorry!

Alisa - posted on 12/19/2011

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Please take a look at the review boards of theses 20+ studies. If you can convince me that they are INDEPENDENT, I' will give my son a full series of vaccines. Sadly, they are not, and the pharmaceutical industry that stands to profit from the results is postured in the middle of each NIH, CDC and all other vaccine reviews. They are not paying for research, but for results. The statistics around vaccines and autism are staggering. The pharmaceutical industry is incredibly powerful in the US...it's our second largest industry. Watch the news tonight and count how many times they advertise. Read your magazines and count the advertisements. Our news is owned by this industry and the message that vaccines are safe have permeated American culture. Some vaccines ARE safe, however the preservatives used in them are not.

Alisa - posted on 12/19/2011

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It's been proven by the same pharmaceutical industry that profits from vaccines. Please research the review boards on NIH and CDC. I can assure you the research on vaccines is not independent or honest.

Robynne - posted on 12/19/2011

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we can tell u the pros and cons of immunisation but all u need to do is google it and see the pictures and read the accounts of parents who have not vaccinated their children to know that as a mother and being responsible for your children's health and wellbeing, you would do anything to prevent your children from being harmed by easily preventable diseases. The diseases are only becoming more prevalent because of the handful of parents who choose to not immunise their child and are exposed to it by the large percentage of populations who travel all over the world and bring these diseases back to your home shores. In short: 1) Do the research. 2) Ask yourself if you would be able to live with yourself if you could've prevented your child's pain by immunisations; 3) What is the liklihood of you being exposed to the diseases- if u live in a small town that has no visitors or the population do not come into contact with the outside world then by all means don't immunise. 4) You need to weigh up all the factors before you make an informed choice. Check what ingredients are in your GP's viles and read up on all the them- if you're child has any sensitivities to any ingredients talk to your GP. You have to remember that if u feed your kids processed foods, crisps, soft drinks, and confectionary or use a microwave, the liklihood of them ingesting the stuff found in vaccines is already pretty high. Just be informed and read up, ask GPs and other health professionals. There's always a risk in everything. Good luck with your decision.

Naomi - posted on 12/19/2011

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You no vax people are completely dilussional ANd just like to follow the natural steretype to the extreme where It now harms your children. Shame

Charmaine - posted on 12/19/2011

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God grant me the serenity to realize that government health agencies are not going to protect my family's health and wellbeing - the courage to stand up and say 'no' to forced vaccination and the wisdom to know the difference between coercion and compliance. Amen.
Look at for just on example: http://www.naturalnews.com/034437_Gardas...

Sal - posted on 12/19/2011

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What planet do you live on???? Doesn't seem like earth these things can kill disfigure and cause miscarriages please check some of the links or google it yourself

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