What are your thoughts and views on immunization shots?

Cecilia - posted on 04/09/2010 ( 62 moms have responded )

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My daughter is 3 months old and I am getting and reading some mixed messages. Need some advice please!

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Chicken pox can be fatal. Most kids have a minor illness, but complications can occur. I think a lot of the hype from vaccines comes from fear. All my kids were vaccinated on schedule, but we did not do the h1n1-we felt it was pushed thru too quickly. But the other vaccinations have been used for years and are shown to be safe. When the reactions are rare(I"m talking more than a fever) isn't it worth it than if your child got the disease? Things we vaccinate for are not a simple illness and can hav serious side effects. Oh, and I won't be giving my girls Gardasil either. My gut tells me not to, not any hype. So go with your gut and your heart.

Kate CP - posted on 04/20/2010

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*bangs head on desk* I have an immune disorder. So, yea, this is kind of my thing. A vaccine introduces a small portion of infectious material to your body. Your immune system sees it and attacks it which gives it markers (also known as ANTIBODIES) to be on the lookout for. This way when your immune system sees the culprit again it can fight it off without you getting sick.

The injection you're talking about blocks your body from making a specific antibody, not all antibodies in general. To block your body from making any antibodies at all would make you kinda dead since you wouldn't be able to fight off even the smallest amount of bacteria. Here is the immune system in a nutshell:

There are normally between 4×109 and 1.1×1010 white blood cells in a litre of blood, making up approximately 1% of blood in a healthy adult.

The name "white blood cell" derives from the fact that after centrifugation of a blood sample, the white cells are found in the buffy coat, a thin, typically white layer of nucleated cells between the sedimented red blood cells and the blood plasma. The scientific term leukocyte directly reflects this description, derived from Greek leukos (white), and kytos (cell). Blood plasma may sometimes be green if there are large amounts of neutrophils in the sample, due to the heme-containing enzyme myeloperoxidase that they produce.

An immune system is a system of biological structures and processes within an organism that protects against disease by identifying and killing pathogens and tumour cells. It detects a wide variety of agents, from viruses to parasitic worms, and needs to distinguish them from the organism's own healthy cells and tissues in order to function properly. Detection is complicated as pathogens can evolve rapidly, producing adaptations that avoid the immune system and allow the pathogens to successfully infect their hosts.

Immunological memory created from a primary response to a specific pathogen, provides an enhanced response to secondary encounters with that same, specific pathogen. This process of acquired immunity is the basis of vaccination.

Disorders in the immune system can result in disease. Immunodeficiency occurs when the immune system is less active than normal, resulting in recurring and life-threatening infections. Immunodeficiency can either be the result of a genetic disease, such as severe combined immunodeficiency, or be produced by pharmaceuticals or an infection, such as the acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) that is caused by the retrovirus HIV. In contrast, autoimmune diseases result from a hyperactive immune system attacking normal tissues as if they were foreign organisms. Common autoimmune diseases include Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes mellitus type 1 and lupus erythematosus. Immunology covers the study of all aspects of the immune system which has significant relevance to human health and diseases. Further investigation in this field is expected to play a serious role in promotion of health and treatment of diseases.

What makes up the immune system?
White blood cells (WBCs), or leukocytes (also spelled "leucocytes"), are cells of the immune system defending the body against both infectious disease and foreign materials. Five different and diverse types of leukocytes exist, but they are all produced and derived from a multipotent cell in the bone marrow known as a hematopoietic stem cell. Leukocytes are found throughout the body, including the blood and lymphatic system.

There are several different types of white blood cells. They all have many things in common, but are all different. A major distinguishing feature of some leukocytes is the presence of granules; white blood cells are often characterized as granulocytes or agranulocytes:

*Granulocytes:
There are three types of granulocytes: neutrophils, basophils, and eosinophils, which are named according to their staining properties.

*Agranulocytes (mononuclear leucocytes):
There are three types of agranulocytes including lymphocytes, monocytes, and macrophages.[5]

So, what do these cells do?
*Neutrophils: attack bacteria and fungi
*Eosinophils: attack larger parasites and modulate allergic inflammatory responses
*Basophils: release histamine for inflammatory responses
*Lymphocytes: B cells: releases antibodies and assists activation of T cells
T cells: Th (T helper) cells: activate and regulate T and B cells
CD8+ cytotoxic T cells: virus-infected and tumor cells.
Natural killer cells: virus-infected and tumor cells.
*Monocyte: Monocytes migrate from the bloodstream to other tissues and differentiate into tissue resident macrophages or dendritic cells.
*Microphage: Phagocytosis (engulfment and digestion) of cellular debris and pathogens, and stimulation of lymphocytes and other immune cells that respond to the pathogen.
*Dendritic cells: Main function is as an antigen-presenting cell (APC) that activates T lymphocytes.

SO! For the record, YES, vaccinated immunity is the same and passes through the milk the same as exposed immunity.

Kate CP - posted on 04/20/2010

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Do you not understand what an antibody is? It doesn't matter if the antibody was created because a person was vaccinated or if they just caught the disease. An antibody recognizes a certain micro-organism in the body and signals the immune system to produce more neutrophils to attack the invader. A mother who has been vaccinated DOES pass on her antibodies in her milk just as a mother who came down with the disease passes them on in her milk.

People constantly tout about how unvaccinated kids rarely get sick. Well frickin' DUH. People who DON'T vaccinate their kids are much more likely to home school and do in-home care for their kids than those who DO vaccinate. As a result, vaccinated kids ARE EXPOSED TO MORE INFECTIONS and tend to get sick more than those who are NOT exposed.

Logic. It's amazing.

Julie - posted on 04/15/2010

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I'm not getting into immunology specifics, but I took classes and I know medical professionals aren't out to HURT people. ... or animals, for that matter.

Immunizations are NOT 100%, they help your body deal with invading bacteria and viruses better than if they body hadn't seen the antigens before.

I live in an area where there are Amish families ... we get whooping cough outbreaks because they do not vaccinate at all for religious reasons.

One of my bosses made autologous melanoma vaccines for stage IV cancer patients ... I suppose the clinical disappearance of some of those patients' tumors was just a coincidence and had nothing to do with the fact they were given a man-made vaccine to modulate the body's immune system?

I digress. This is about keeping kids healthy. Maybe in a healthy mom-child pair who breastfeed for a minimum of 1 year we can talk about natural immunity, but that is not often the case. Sadly, too many people hear from 1 or 2 very convincing people that vaccinations are the root of all evil, so to speak. I think parents need to educate themselves and utilize the guidance of a health professional they trust.

I am sorry to hear about your brother. It is absurd to think a newborn would get vaccinated for anything. They need colostrum from mom and protection from the big, bad world until they are older. Medicine has come a long way the past few decades. Immunization of age-appropriate children is still VERY important.

Sorry to hijack the thread ...

Myroslava - posted on 04/15/2010

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If you have noticed, all the latest measles and mumps "epidemics" where amongst population where majority was vaccinated. And all the cases of even Hob menengitis and whooping cough included kids that were vaccinated.Of course, whe that happened, the child was "undervaccinated", "too young to be vaccinated", "vaccine was improperly stored"....excuses never end. But when there is no cases of desease-that's because "vaccination works". BTW there were cases of small pox in a population with 100% vaccinationrate against small pox! (In Italy, can't remember the dates right this second).
I have never had any flu vaccines, had DT and polio vaccines, and a TB vaccine days after i was born (in Ukraine) that's all. Still alive. My brother had a horrible reaction after TB vaccine, on a 4 th or 5th day of life, almost died. No one knew what was wrong- he was full term, almost 10 lbs baby, had no problems. Thank only to God he survived.
I know he will never vaccinate his kids. I know people who have never been vaccinated, are over 30 years old ands till alive and well. Very healthy.
Out of all my family and friends who vaccinate, every child who is under three, all have had ear infections, reccuring colds and flu, RSV, all kinds of crap. Knock on the wood, mine was sick 2 and halftimes: three days in a row, twice,, runny nose, slight cough and fver, and a 1o3 degree fever for a half of a day once. My husband and I had some crazy virus, 3 or four times, she never caught it.... just sayin'.
The long term effects of messing with an immune system are not know. There are NEVER controls used in vaccine studies (when there is a patient that has had a vaccine and another that had no vaccine at all, usually, they use a different vaccine as a control.It doesn't make sense, does it?)
There are way too many conflicts of interest in CDC, and in authorities that aprove vaccines for general use. I am sorry i am bein so general and without specifics, i have troubles keeping exact numbers and dates and sometimes names in my head, but i know what i know:)

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Crystal - posted on 08/16/2013

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Really consider whether or not the Synagis (RSV) shot is beneficial to your preemie. Some information reports the shot has mice DNA in it... 24 hours after my son (born at 1lb with PH & CLD, Gtube) got the 1st round of the shot, his health deteriorated. It was the day before he was to be discharged home. In two days, my son was back on the ventilator and medically paralyzed due to his discomfort. My son will no longer be receiving the RSV shot.

Angie - posted on 04/21/2010

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Cecelia...This posting is a bit late, but I thought I would give my 2 cents. I did vaccinate my oldest son. He was completely fine and around the age of 2 was showing signs of developmental delays. Could be a conicidence, or could be a result of the vaccines...I may never know. We stopped vaccinating after that, but will consider slowy starting them up again as he gets older. As all of this was happening, we were still vaccinating our baby until he had a terrible reaction at his 12 month vaccines...started throwing up, rash all over his face and lethargic for almost a week. We took dairy away and he started to come back to us. So, we have stopped vaccines for now. In short, every child is different. It is easy for someone to tell you there is nothing to worry about with vaccines, but for those of us that have experienced such horrifying things, we might tell you a different story. Go with your gut. I am not anti-vaccines, I just see that my children may not tolerate them well at such a young age. I have a fantastic doctor who is supportive and truly thought my yongest son had a vaccine reaction. She is willing to do the full vaccine schedule, do an alternative one, or do none, at all. She has done a lot of research in this field, and I trust her. You may want to check out "The Vaccine Book' by Dr. Sears. It is very helpful. And, my doctor suggests that you DO NOT use Tylenol before or after a vaccine. I wish I had the facts on why not, but don't have the time to research it right now. Good luck to you and go with your gut.

Jodi - posted on 04/20/2010

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Oh, and sorry, there are already books published on the whooping cough outbreaks (which have been very recent, and getting worse each year)? And your mother-in-law has them?



Anyway, the major issue with the whooping cough outbreaks is adults not getting boosters. It is NOT kids who are vaccinated, but adults whose vaccinations have expired.



As adults, WE need to be more responsible and have our own vaccinations updated too.

Jodi - posted on 04/20/2010

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Rebecca, just to respond to your response to what I said....you did say "I didn't think a baby could possibly contract a sexually transmitted disease. " So yeah, you did kind of indicate that it was ONLY a sexually transmitted disease.

How many children with Heb B in the developed world? No idea - probably something to do with having a vaccination available. How many children do I know of who are kidnapped? Not many (well, none personally), but I still keep a VERY close eye on my children at the playground and don't take my eyes off them. Because there is always that remote chance isn't there?

Kate CP - posted on 04/20/2010

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...Rebecca, I don't know how you came to that conclusion but you can obviously tell that is NOT what I said nor is it what I meant.

Peita - posted on 04/20/2010

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Also, I think that maybe you should research the whooping couph thing a little further, I will be!!

Peita - posted on 04/20/2010

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Yes, I have heard of a well cared for child diying of the chicken pox!! We had an inservice done at the childcare centre I worked at and the Nurse that ran it had a child die, the child was hospitalised 1 day after spots appearing and didn't make it!! Chicken pox can also cause brain damage, it is a terrible disease if the wrong child gets it, these cases I was told about, happened before the vaccine was available!!!

Rebecca - posted on 04/20/2010

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"A mother who has been vaccinated DOES pass on her antibodies in her milk just as a mother who came down with the disease passes them on in her milk."

After what I said it sounds like you said there is only one type of antibody and that it protects people from the all diseases even the ones you've never come in contact with!!

Peita - posted on 04/20/2010

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When you are given a vaccine, you body produces antibodies as if it were fighting a foreign disease/infection (at least that was my understanding), I too have had Anti-D injections, 5 in total, that only lasts for periods of time, I had one at 26 weeks pregnnant (I think) and then again as soon as my baby was born with 2 and due to othe complications only had the 26 week injection with my last child, that is to prevent positive and negative blood type antibodies from mixing, a person injected with Anti-D, still has the ability to produce antibodies for other disease and infections!!

Again, the majority of vaccinated people do not get sick because the majority of the population is protecting them by being vaccinated!! Usually you will build an immunity to diseases after vaccination/immunisation and that is why there aren't many scheduled immunisations for adults, as an adult, it is only recommended to have extra shots if you work in high risk jobs eg. childcare, nursing, working with animals, aged care!!

I too have researched a lot into all of this, and I would rather a mild reaction to injections (which is generally the case), than my child contracting something like Meningococcal, Whooping couph, Tetanus or Rubella, diseases like these can be devestating! To everyone that says they have researched about vaccinations and what is in them, have you researched each and every disease they protect against?????

This is a firey topic and I don't have any issues with parents not vaccinating, but to the OP, I suggest you research each and every disease on your child's immunisation schedule and the devestating effects they can have, look at what is in the vaccines, talk to your doctor and then make an informed descision! Best of luck to you!

Kate CP - posted on 04/20/2010

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Wha? When did I say there was only one type of antibody?! Where is that written??

Rebecca - posted on 04/20/2010

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Well... if you put it that way... Then why did you say there was only one type of antibody?

Rebecca - posted on 04/20/2010

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My source for the whooping cough post is my mother-in-law. I trust everything she says about it. She's offered books with proof to me but I chose just to believe her.

I got chicken pox naturally and my sister got it naturally at the same time we were not vaccinated. I was covered mainly on my chest and my legs but my sister only got 3 spots one behind her ear and two on her chest she was barely sick at all. I don't think the vaccine helped your daughter with the virus. I have never heard of anyone well cared for dying from chicken pox! have you?

Rebecca - posted on 04/20/2010

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Do YOU not know what an antibody is? An antibody can only protect a person from the diseases they have come in contact with. If an antibody does what your saying it does then I have no immunity because I have been given the Anti-D injection. Which if your not familiar with it stops your body from producing antibodies that attack the rh-positive blood cells of an unborn child. Antibodies don't protect against every disease. They are produced after your body has fought off an infection. A mother can only pass on the antibodies that she produces herself not the man made vaccine!



Lots of non vaccinated children go to school. Where is your proof that they don't?



As for everybody saying that their child is immunised and is doing fine. I can do better!



My child is not immunised and neither is my husband or myself or all 7 of my husbands siblings or 1000's of adults who have let their vaccines wear off and we are alive and healthy.

No reactions what so ever - I bet not many people who are vaccinated can say that!

Peita - posted on 04/20/2010

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Rebecca, can you show me the source of your response about the whooping cough outbreak in Australia please? I was under the impression that most of the infants that contracted whooping cough were under 2 months old, our vaccination schedule doesn't introduce the whooping cough vaccine until 2months!! Doctors were actually giving the vaccine at 6 weeks to newborns to stop the spread of the disease (I know this because I had my baby in the middle of the outbreak and she had her shot early and I had a booster)!!



Again, like someone has already said, vaccines don't give you a complete immunity against diseases, but they do put a big holt on the severity of the disease!! An example is my children, my boy did not have the chicken pox vaccine, my daughter did!!! My son got a really bad case of the pox and while my daughter still got them, she only had 13 spots on her entire body, so I'm assuming the vaccine helped her out! Also, Chicken pox isn't a one off thing, although it is rare, you can have them as a child and then as an adult as well!! One of the reasons this vaccine was introduced is because children have died from chicken pox!!



The reason why all these diseases aren't around much anymore is because the majority of the population is vaccinated and that is protecting the ones who aren't vaccinated!! I have personally vaccinated my children on schedule and haven't had any problems so far!!

Rebecca - posted on 04/20/2010

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sorry Julie just another thing I've found is that if the mother is vaccinated the colostrum is useless in protecting the baby from any of those diseases. The "immunity" given to the mother cannot pass through the mothers milk to protect the baby. Antibodies can! But the mother having been vaccinated has no natural antibodies to pass on! The baby will be unprotected until it is "vaccinated" against the diseases.

Rebecca - posted on 04/20/2010

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Julie, you bring to mind an incident that happened in Australia not too long ago. There was an out break of whooping cough! the interesting thing is that most of the children who contracted the disease were fully vaccinated against it and the children who weren't vaccinated only had mild cases. Some of the babies who were vaccinated died from it and none of the non-vaccinated children died! Interesting isn't it?

Rebecca - posted on 04/20/2010

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Hi Jodi, Thanks for pointing that out but I didn't say that Hep B was ONLY a sexually transmitted disease. My son won't be going to child care he'll be looked after by a reliable family member who doesn't bite! Just curious, how many cases of small children have you heard of that have Hep B in the developed world?

Sheri - posted on 04/20/2010

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I have five kids. All were vaccinated according to the conventional schedule. The only one I do not have them get is chicken pox, since it is WAY BETTER to get that as a child. If you get chicken pox as an adult: pregnant females-big risk of birth defects to her baby, males-increased risk of sterility. So, I'd rather them get chicken pox as children, where it won't hurt them. Also, the strain used for the vaccine was started from the lung tissue of an aborted fetus, and I'd rather not support that industry if I don't have to. For that reason I do a religious exemption, which takes care of all school-related requirements. Vaccines are safe and effective.

There are two things that separate us from the third world: clean water and vaccinations against killer diseases. Think about it!

Frances - posted on 04/19/2010

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My daughters have never had the gardasil shot. If they marry someone who has had premarital sex, then they can get the shot after they are engaged. If they should get raped, I understand that getting the shot then will protect you. From what I understand, if neither person has sex until their wedding night, the gardasil shot is unnecessary.

Ruth - posted on 04/19/2010

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Oh, and i even caved on letting my daughter's dr give her the gardasil shot. 1 in 4 college girls has hpv, 1 in 3 college boys is carrying it and passing it along. Don't assume your daughters won't have sex at college, especially if you want grandchildren (it can render them infertile). My daughter described it as liquid fire soreness injected into her arm. It is more painful than all the other vax! Hard choice, but I went with it.

Ruth - posted on 04/19/2010

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I was not on track with my kids' vax but had to get them all caught up when they were going to college. No, public schools don't require them but a growing number of colleges do. I was late by a few years on some of them and my kids were healthy and just. Some of the diseases are rampant at college campuses, though, so I followed the Dr's advice and got my kids completely up do date.

Myroslava - posted on 04/16/2010

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In responce to Julie, i don't think medical profession is out to hurt children, i respect doctors and what they do. But sometimes people do get conflicts of interests and power (and money)corrupts... My new pediatrician is great, he accepts my choice, but of course he had to say something about vaccines-how i should watch my daughter closer if she gets a fever, more so, then if i had a vaccinated child.I was loooking into his eyes the whole time, and he was looking right back,but when he started talking about vaccines,he just couldn't keep an eye contact, wwhich made me think that he is not so sure about the benefits himself...
Nowdays it is much easier to get access to the lates research in any area,including immunology. I am not saying you can learn to be a doctor or a nurse"from home", lol, but one can learn enough and keep learning to make as informed choices about one's health as possible, and not get intimidated by a white coat.
It is pretty cool that the melanoma vaccine worked on the stage VI cancer patients, but they were allready sick, and if that helps them-great! I wouldn't take any vaccine or syntetic medication to prevent something if i am helathy in the first place.
ok, no more hijacking of the thread, sorry:) It is kind of relevant, no?

Pam - posted on 04/15/2010

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I agree with Christi. In order to have your children in daycare or school they must have up to date vaccinations. I think between my two kids they each with one of their shots had a low grade fever but that was it. I think the consequences of not having them immunized are far worse and can even be deadly.

Julie - posted on 04/15/2010

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The reason why so many diseases are rare these days is because of vaccination. What are the chances of getting whooping cough? Much higher now that it is making a comeback in pockets of people that do not vaccinate. They same can be said for any disease.



Nothing in life is 100% guaranteed. Opinions will vary from professional to professional. Educate yourself and then decide. Vaccines are meant to protect a population because OVERALL MUCH MORE disease is prevented than inflicted by vaccines.



FWIW my 3-months premature son (now 2) got ALL his vaccines, plus Synagis for RSVP his first winter, the regular flu both winters and H1N1 this past winter. He is doing very well. Oh, and my husband and I got our pertussis boosted, the regular flu and H1N1 vaccines since he was born, too.

Myroslava - posted on 04/15/2010

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Good for you to be asking questions before you get any shots



.First of all, you are NOT required to vaccinate in order to enroll your child in school. It is a misconception that doctors in particular are not in a hurry to disspell.



All states have exemptions, two of them have only medical( can't remember if it is West V-a or Virginia, and Mississipi), and all the rest have at least two, religious and medical, and there are other states that have all three-- including PHILOSOPHICAL. Check out www.nvic.org for more exact info. It is very easy to claim religious or philosophical (personal believes) exemtion, (unless you are in New York or New Jersey, there it has been quite difficult-i think there is only madical and religious exemption...) You fill out a form, or give a letter-that's all.



Don't mean to attack anyone, but just want to point out that people who think that your child won't be able to go to school unless vaccinated are not informed right, so, you can't expect them to be informed about vaccines effectiveness and safety either.

I did my research, online, books, webcasts etc. and made a decision based on that.

I don't vaccinate my daughter, she is born perfect, her immune system is perfect, and my job is to make it stronger by proper nutrition (breastfeeding is very mportant), enough rest and fresh air.



She is 20months old now and i stillnurse her about once a day, very briefly, just so she gets some antibodies from my milk. I give her no sugary or foods with preservatives. I buy organic when i can afford (meats, dairy and "dirty dozen" veggies and fruit). I guve her probiotics or plain yogurt, vit D3.She sleeps about 13 hours a day, and we try to go outside every day.While she was under one year old,i would take Sodium Ascorbate (form of vit C) that would pass through my milk to strenghten baby's immune system.



It is a common mistake to call vaccines "immmunizations". Not one vaccine is 100% effective. No vaccine has EVER been studied for carcinogenic, mutagenic effects and effects on fertility, It says so on every insert that comes with a vaccine.



Death rates from ifectious deseases were coming down dramatically way before vaccines were introduced (for any deseases), along with these "vaccine preventable deseases" also death rates for deseases such as scarlet fever, sweating sickness, plague came down, even though there were no vaccines "against" them.



I would suggest a few books :Neil Z. Miller "Vaccinves: are they really safe and efffective?", Wedny Lydall "Raising a vaccinefree child", Aviva Romm "Naturally healthy babies and children" (this one is not about vaccines, but more about deseases and how to identify them, avoid complications, treat them and when to seeek professional help, it is empowering to know), R. Mendelsson "How to raise a healthy child despite your doctor" (he is a pediatrician himself:). If you can get some DVDs and books by Dr. Sherry Tennpenny, that would be verry helpful,too. Dr. R.Sears "Vaccine book". He is considered pro-vaccine by nonvaxers, and it was my first book, very informative. But even there he says, if the child is not in a day care and breastfed until age two, he wouldn't vaccinate AT ALL!



Don't let anyone scare you into vaccinating (or not vaccinating, for that matter).Alot of people assume that people who don't vax are scared of autism, but believe me, that is not my main and only reason for not vaccinating. I am more worried about other long term effects-what health benefits you can expect from injecting a perfctly healthy child with carcinogenic materials, parts of foreign DNA, parts of known and unknown animal and human viruses...straight into blood stream?! Use common sense.



Just look at every desease there is a vaccine for,and learn how common it is, how dangerous it is, learn the stats for complications and ways of naturally preventing deseases and complications.



With so-called childhood deseases- measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox- you can't really prevent the desease through nutrition, but you can avoid complications by taking a good care of the sick child. Once they recover, they will havea lifetime immunity-something, that no vaccine can give. I had measles at age 16 months, it was very easy on me, my mom took good care of me. I have a lifetime immunity now and pass the antibodies through my milk to my babies until they are in the age that it won't be dangerrous for them to have measles. Not that i would want my daughter to get sick, but if she does, i know what to do.



I never had a pertussis vaccine myself, and never got sick, even though i was in day care since 18 months old.

My husband had the vaccine and ahe had the desease. Go figure. Never went to day care either.

Breastfeeding drastically lowers risk for menengatis that is caused by the bacteria that Hib vaccine is 'against". But keep in mind -there are many other bacterias that can cause menengitis that are not covered by vaccines.

Polio vaccines are not effective-the rates came down in the countries where there were no wide spread vaccination. In the past 30 years all the cases of polio in US were CAUSED by a polio vaccine. Vast majority of people that get exposed to the virus don't get sick. Only about 1 procent of THESE THAT GET SICK have actual symptoms of paralysis, the rest 99% get flue like symptoms. Even the creator of "dead virus" vaccine (the injectable one) admitted : "after you vaccinate a child you don't sleep well for 6 weeks".



After vaccines for polio were intoruced, the standards of what is considered an epidemic of polio have changed- now you would need more cases per 10 000, people presenting symptoms for longer amount of time etc. then before vaccines where implemented. Some people believe that all the cases of "aseptic menengitis" are actually cases of polio, re-named, just to creat an illusion that polio is no more and vaccines are working....



Tetanus: can't survive in a wound that has bled out and has air access-hydrogen peroxide to the rescue! Plus, there is Tetanus Immune Globulin shot that can be taken after the injury (contains other people's antibodies, though).



There are many medical doctors that won't vaccinate their kids, or follow a different vaccine schedule.



Sorry, it's so long. I just wanted to be helpful:) Please, don't do anything based on fear, either you vaccinate or not. Good luck, momma, and you are doing a great job asking questions. Ifyou want any more info, send me a message.

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I know of no mom that has lost her child due to vacination, but I do know of a mom that lost her child to meningitis because she was not vacinated for it. So as I said "do your research and talk over your concerns with your Pedatrician " , then make your choice. There are pro and cons to everything and decisions we make. Some are good and some will turn out wrong. We are human being and do make mistakes, but we do try to make the best choose for family and self that we can with Gods help. You know you can always use your time schedule for shots if you decide to do it where you are more comfortable with them. Also if you do, please keep up with the boosters. These shots are for prevention, so please do your research and talk with your doctor.

Christine - posted on 04/15/2010

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I agree with a lot of the moms. Do some research on your own and take any information you can get from your family doctor, then use your best judgement on wether or not you choose to get your child vaccinated. I agree that family history should be accounted for as well.

My son did not get his H1N1 shot until he got his one year boosters; at that time I was more comfortable with what I was being told and what I was reading. I figured since he was getting a bunch of other needed shots at the time one more would be alright as well.

Frances - posted on 04/15/2010

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My children never had any shots until six months old. They had them at 6,8, and 10 months old; instead of 2,4, and 6 months old. My family doctor preferred this schedule because there may be a link between shots and SIDS.

Kylie - posted on 04/15/2010

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We are so lucky to live in australia where to vaccinate is not law anymore and to obtain a exemption is common practice because it is your choice, because it is your child. To enter school or daycare is no problem as long as they are notified. I suppose lots of people have their own view on this, as we all only want the best for our children, it is just important to be informed about choices we make and not just because the doctor says do it.

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I'm not sure what state you are in but in most states immunizations ARE required by law. Yes, states allow for medical and religious exemptions. Only a doctor licensed to practice in whichever state you are in can complete a medical exemption form for your child which must then be approved by the state health dept. The medical exemption must be for a valid medical reason.

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Immunizations are required for daycare and school entry. I have had my 5 year old daughter immunized with no problems at all. Just remember if you choose not to vaccinate you are also taking a risk of your child getting a disease and possibly even dying from that disease. I work for the state health dept in the immunization division and children do die from diseases that parents think are no longer a concern b/c they are not as prevalent now a days. Check out CDC.gov if you are interested in what science has to say about the safety of immunizations. I would trust what they have to say versus Jenny McCarthy anyday!!

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Well for those of you who have vaccinated your child and have made the comment "and they are still here or still alive ' that is great ,have you met those whos child has died from having a vaccine? Maybe you mite do that, Im sure it would be of some help to you, to see the bigger picture. And maybe ask the doctors not your own GP as they get a bouns from the gov if they give your child a vaccine , but other doctors if THEY vaccinate their children. My response to asking them this is approx two thirds DO NOT vaccinate their child ! Why I asked? some responded they are not proven , its sadly all about money not the health of our kids, companies making money, for some the reason they believe was it creates allergies ! And various other reasons interesting subject very intresting once you make a informed choice research! research! research! What is it they are putting into your child? Great website is www.avn.org.au good place to start Good Luck!!!

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All mine children were vacinated and I didn't have any problems. It is required by schools. There are some exceptions and forms that would need to file out. You should talk all your concerns and information that you recieved from your reading with the doctor and get all the facts of pro and con before you make a decision. He has vacinated all lot of children and they are well informed of reverse reactions as well as the benifits of getting the shots for health reasons for the child and others.

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Um, Rebecca, Hep B is NOT just a sexually transmitted disease. It transmits via blood and ANY bodily fluid, including saliva. It can also be carried by a person without them ever showing symptoms, so you would never necessarily know if someone else is carrying the disease. Therefore, I hope your children are never bitten by another child in daycare or school. Because you will never know, will you? Just saying :) That is the reason I chose to get my children vaccinated for Hep B. When I REALLY researched it, and considered the biting habits of very young children, it made sense to me. Saying it is ONLY a sexually transmitted disease is not an informed view at all.

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did not vaccinate my child.
also, it is not required by law to be vaccinated to enter school. in fact it's the opposite. no one can make you do so. all you need is your state's form for exemption. sighting medical or religious reasons.

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I'd just like to add that the swine flu vaccine was not properly tested on humans before it was released and given to the community and over here it was recommended for pregnant women and the elderly.



It's also a fact that the majority of people that don't immunise are well educated people.

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I live in Australia. My son is 13months old and he isn't immunised. I have done research on the matter and I decided not to immunise because there are so many things wrong with them. (too many to list). One of them is the Hep B vaccine. that is done in the hospital before you leave. I didn't think a baby could possibly contract a sexually transmitted disease. It'll be his decision if he decides to be immunised against it later on in life.
I think immunisations are a way to make money and companies hide info on them. they can have very bad side effects. My son's uncle almost died due to an immunisation. Most vaccines are made with a live damaged strand of the virus and it is possible to contract the virus through the vaccine. In a lot of cases it's more likely to get the disease from the vaccine than to catch the wild virus.

I think it's important to catch things like chicken pox while your a child. I don't think chicken pox is dangerous and the antibodies produced naturally through catching it are more beneficial than the synthetic vaccine.

My friends and family immunise their children and I respect their decision. But if you choose to not immunise keep in mind that they will have to come home from school if there is an out break and you and the people you live with can not be around them for a few days or weeks (I'm not sure on the time frame) after being immunised because they can still catch it from a freshly immunised person.

Hope this helps and Good Luck with your research!

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hey i never said i didnt vaccinate MY child and YES im still gonna get it done. And yeah I was reading that Gabriel method book before i wrote that in there, so sue me? Its not my fault he didnt have scientific evidence to back up his statement, i just shared it.

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I would never not vaccinate my children. The potential for severely adverse side effects is very rare, and I would NEVER want to see my child go through what the vaccines are designed to protect against. A child can not be replaced, and the vaccines are designed to protect against some of the deadliest diseases out there.I have read and heard about the negatives... but the benefits far outweigh it. I even had my 2 year old vaccinated against swine flu at the same time I was... again, with no adverse effects.

In my opinion the ONLY reason not to vaccinate is if there is a family history of severely adverse reactions or your child has already had a vaccine and had a severely adverse reaction. Children are most vulnerable to life-threatening illness in the early months, and a child is not something that could be replaced. I would never forgive myself if I had chosen not to vaccinate and one of my children end up getting sick from (or even dying from) a disease that could have easily been prevented.

Also when doing research, please make sure you are reading the most current information.. many websites and books are outdated, even if they are only a year or so old, since so much new information is always being learned about and vaccines continue being developed. I would recommend reading the information given by the American Academy of Pediatrics, which I am sure can be found on thier website. I would find them to be the most trustworthy source of information,

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Rebecca: The amount of that stuff found in vaccines is so small it ridiculous. I would much rather my daughter be exposed to that ONE TIME and have it flush out of her system than have to deal with her being sick with something potentially fatal like pertussis or tetanus.

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Rebecca, do you have a reputable source for that information? Because when I look up your exact quote, it comes up with a "Gabriel Method" link that won't even provide access, and nothing else, and it isn't publicly available. I wouldn't consider one source with no background in legitimate research a reliable one.

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"Most vaccinations contain formaldehyde,heavy metals, an untested cocktail of diseases incubated in monkey brains, and organ tissue surrogates derived from pigs and dogs." Sounds fantastic doesn't it?

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Just make certain to watch the temp, and treat fever early if it starts. That's the biggest and only proven link to autism with vaccines.

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My son has had all of his shots, including H1N1. Vaccinations are an important part of healthcare, since they protect not only your child but all of the children around them. One of the biggest and best reasons for vaccinating is actually the drastically increased risk for serious, even fatal complications resulting from "childhood" illnesses contracted later in life due to failure to vaccinate. For example, mumps and measles can both cause sterility, particularly in boys but there is a risk for girls as well.

The so-called correlations that have been drawn between autistic spectrum disorders, other forms of developmental delay, and vaccinations are based largely on logical fallacies. Correlation does not necessarily mean causation. Consider this: the type of parent who elects not to protect their child through immunization is the same type of parent who probably elects not to have their child checked out by a specialist who may be able to diagnose that type of illness.

Long story short: all of the B.S. about vaccinations being harmful to babies is just that: B.S. Vaccinations save lives. My son is and shall continue to be vaccinated on the schedule recommended to me by my public health nurse.

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There is absolutely no scientific evidence that supports the IDEA that immunizations can cause Autism. There is absolutely no data because there is no concrete approach to clinically test this celebrity induced "trend". Autism, which has been a part of societies since day 1, is more recognized and "diagnosed" due to the advancements in medicine and child development. This isn't a new diagnosis, rather it is more widely understood, so clearly people want to know what "causes it". Let's face it, there is more to autism than those who created this "trend" realize. Some things can't be defined through blame of something that keeps our children healthy and alive. Too often we hear stories of children dying because parents denied immunizations because of "religious beliefs"...I have never heard of a child dying because he/she is autistic. So if you need something to think about to help make this decision (beyond your child's pediatrician), think about this...autism or possible debilitating illness or even death. That is, of course, if you believe there is a true link between the two. I am not a doctor, but have a BS in child/human development and education, so have spent a considerable amount of time researching the scientific evidence to support this...there is NONE!

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If you want someone to tell you what to do - follow the advice of professionals.

My children are up to date for their shots. No autism, no retardation and best of all they aren't dead.

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Do some research. If I knew then what I know now...I wouldnt have gotten the chickenpox vaccine for my son. I believe its better for the body to build up the antibodies to fight this disease than it is to just prevent it all together. Chickenpox isnt fatal. As long as you treat it and keep the symptoms controlled...you will be fine.

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Yeah go look up and see what you come up with.
I got my son done fully and havent looked back only thing we dont get is the flue or swine flu jabs - i dont believe in them and the swine flu i just dont trust. Plus putting my son into daycare he need'ed to be covered as i cannot keep pulling him out everytime someone has something that is contagious so yeah.
I dont believe to much in the link between autism and getting jabs but thats me - you will know in your heart what is best for you.
Good Luck

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THANK YOU, so much ladies! I know the decision is ultimately up to myself and my husband. My daughter has her first set of shots (done at 2 months) and was fine. They were 2 shots that had diptheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio, hib, pheuno conjugate in it. That seems like a lot of vaccinations in only 2 shots! After talking to some friends, they have advised me to space the shots out or wait until she is a bit older. I have mixed concerns but will definitely do my research and will likely to pick up that book that was recommended. Again, thanks so much for your views and thoughts. It is greatly appreciated!

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