abortion and where do you stand .

Michelle1544 - posted on 11/01/2012 ( 800 moms have responded )

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I'm pro-choice. I don't really understand how anyone would think they have a right to force a woman to remain pregnant or to deny her the right to make her own choice. I'm not pro-abortion either if I was then I wouldn't have children that I carried and gave birth to. Even when abortion was illegal there still were abortions , so what's the point in making it illegal?

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Jodi - posted on 11/01/2012

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Evidently you have not read what anyone else has written either, or you'd take the Caps off.

Maritza - posted on 11/01/2012

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WOW EVEN WITH CAPS NO ONE READS WHAT I'VE WRITTEN, I SAID UNDER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES IF IT'S DEEMED NECESSARY OF COURSE I WOULDN'T THINK TWICE, BUT YOU GUYS DON'T SEEM TO SEE ANYTHING I'VE WRITTEN. LET ME RE WRITE IT, IF IT'S JUST FOR BIRTH CONTROL OR BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET BIRTH CONTROL BEFORE YOU HAD SEX SERIOUSLY THAT'S WRONG

Lacye - posted on 11/01/2012

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The only thing that is irritating about you is the whole caps thing. But then again, that would be for anybody, not just you.



You seem to have some pretty big assumptions. I have never had an abortion, and I never will. But that does not change the fact that a woman has a choice in what she should do with her own body. It's not the fetus's body, it's hers.



As for your own personal choice, since you say you would "never or would ever" have an abortion, what would you do if a doctor told you that you were going to die if you had that child? Are you saying you would still go through with it? That you would allow your other children to go through life without their own mother?

Dove - posted on 11/01/2012

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Please take off the caps. In internet land you are yelling and I guarantee no one is going to really care what you have to say if you are yelling at them. Capitalizing a word or two in a sentence (to me) places more emphasis on those words (same as italics, but I can't make that option work here) which can help whoever is reading it to know how you mean to say it, but capitalizing everything is yelling and that's just rude.



I share a very close view as yours on this topic, but you'd better believe I'm not listening to it... and yes, that's because of the caps. You can actually get reported for that on many message boards. ;)

Jodi - posted on 11/01/2012

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Well, most people here who believe it should remain an option would also never end a life of a child they conceived regardless, but that doesn't mean we condone making the procedure illegal.



And in the interests of internet etiquette, I agree with the majority that it would be appreciated if you could express your opinion without the Caps on. It is very annoying and difficult to read.

Maritza - posted on 11/01/2012

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OH NO BUT OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODIES FEATHERS ARE SHAKING OFF. LOL .IT'S ALL GOOD FOR ME CAUSE I'VE NEVER OR WOULD EVER END A LIFE OF ANY OF MY CHILDREN I CONCEIVED AND BELIEVE I WAS NOT IN A GREAT FINANCIAL POSITION TO HAVE MY 3RD BEAUTY. BUT I WOULDN'T TRADE IT FOR THE WORLD

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 11/01/2012

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^^But why post in caps?? Are your feathers ruffled?? Chill and debate like an adult.....let your blood pressure come back down

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 11/01/2012

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Maritza Ciallella - we can read just fine without the darn caps on!!!!

That's like screaming on the net

Maritza - posted on 11/01/2012

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I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE NOT READING EVERYTHING I WROTE LIKE I JUST SAID EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE IS DIFFERENT AND SHOULD BE ADDRESSED DIFFERENTLY, BUT 2 WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT. A BABY IS A BABY. BTW I'M NOT HERE TO JUDGE I'M HERE TO STOP SOMEONE THAT WOULD CONSIDER ENDING A LIFE OF A BABY. TO THINK OF ALL THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE.

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 11/01/2012

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Pro choice, especially when it comes to rape and/or a mothers life being at risk

Lacye - posted on 11/01/2012

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Maritza, just a couple things. You can take the caps lock off. It's pretty irritating having to read something that is in all caps. Second thing, we do have birth control in the boonies. Just saying.



There are more women that are raped that get pregnant than you think. Here is a study that was done on rape victims that ended up pregnant:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra...



Here is another one that states 1 in 15 rape victims end up pregnant:



http://www.crisisconnectioninc.org/sexua...



As a matter of fact, that first link I posted up, discovered that rape victims have a higher pregnancy percentage than nonrape victims.



You are confusing a baby with a fetus. a baby can sustain life without being connected to a mother, a fetus cannot. A fetus cannot survive without its mother's body. Why should a woman go through months and months of pregnancy for something that is not wanted? That is just asking for the child to be abused either physically or mentally. I would rather a person abort a child they don't want, than to have to support that said child because the parent didn't want to or abused the child.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/01/2012

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And stop talking in all caps please. You don't need to yell.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/01/2012

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Infact, I have a tubal. So if I were to get pregnant, you are telling me I am irresponsible with my birth control? Don't you realize many places now like Arizona, the employers are now allowed to choose not to cover womens health in health insurance? THAT is irresponsible of the government. So they are not going to help women get birth control, that will equal more unwanted pregnancies, and more abortions. Take it up with your government. But you do not have the right or justification to judge other women for choices they make with their body. Get your opinions out of my uterus!

Jodi - posted on 11/01/2012

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Really? So the woman who was raped is using it because of her mistakes or lack of birth control? The woman whose birth control fails (and even 1 in 300 tubal ligations fail, and a tubal is considered permanent and a responsible means of birth control by those who no longer wish to have a child) is using it because of her mistakes? I don't think you have really looked too much at the facts.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/01/2012

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Maritza, that is SOOOO not always the case. *shaking my head* unbelievable.

Maritza - posted on 11/01/2012

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EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE IS DIFFERENT AND SHOULD BE TREATED ACCORDINGLY, BUT REALITY IS THEY ARE USING ABORTION FOR THEIR MISTAKES OR LACK OF BIRTH CONTROL. WHO WILL BE THE VOICE OF THAT BABY YOU GET RID OF.

Jodi - posted on 11/01/2012

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So....what about when birth control fails (which it frequently does)? What about if a woman is raped and has no choice before. What about the woman whose health is failing drastically and can only recover through ending the pregnancy? What about the fetus that is severely deformed and has no chance of life?

Maritza - posted on 11/01/2012

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I SAID PRO CHOICE PRIOR TO BEING PREGNANT THAT'S THE PRO CHOICE EVERYONE NEEDS, NOT AFTER YOU BECOME PREGNANT. BY THEN YOU'VE BLOWN IT AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET OUT OF IT SO GUESS WHAT? THAT BABY HAS NO VOICE SO WE CAN DISPOSE OF IT. REALLY, FAR AND FEW BETWEEN RAPE VICTIMS GET PREGNANT IT'S 99% CONCEIVED FROM A MISTAKE AND IRRESPONSIBILITY OF NOT BEING ON BIRTH CONTROL OR GETTING CONDOMS.

REALLY WE'RE NOT IN THE BOONIES WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THESE THINGS, EVEN A FREE CLINIC WILL GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED.

Maritza - posted on 11/01/2012

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I TOO BELIEVE IN PRO CHOICE, CHOOSE WHICH KIND OF BIRTH CONTROL YOU ARE GOING TO USE WHEN HAVING SEX OR CHOOSE TO NOT HAVE SEX.

ONCE YOU'RE PREGNANT CHOOSE AS TO HOW YOU WILL PROTECT THAT CHILD THAT HAS NO VOICE,

BUT ABORTION IS NOT A CHOICE, IT SHOULD NOT BE USED JUST BECAUSE YOU WERE CARELESS WHEN YOU HAD SEX OR AS A FORM OF BIRTH CONTROL.

THAT'S NOT PART OF THE CHOICE.

Denikka - posted on 11/01/2012

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I personally think that's my biggest issue with the vocal anti-abortionists. I'm talking about anyone who has ever stood on the side of the road with signs, or those who sit outside clinics to harass women, etc, not those who just hold the opinion that abortion is wrong. Two very different types of people in my mind

They are WAY more concerned about the unborn than they are about those who are already here. If they spent as much effort to help the system, to be involved in foster care, helping the children in the government's care, etc, there were be SO many fewer unwanted children rotting in the system.

If they put the money they use on propaganda and other crap towards helping the kids who are homeless or starving, many more kids would have a warm place to sleep and a full tummy.



No, it wouldn't help ALL of them....but it would take a damn noticeable bite out of the problem.

Michelle1544 - posted on 11/01/2012

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Lacye I agree !! There are actually tens of thousands of children ready for adoption and just waiting , being warehoused by the system and all to often being abused. I wish that the energy put into the debate about abortion would be put into helping these children that are already here and deserve so much better.

Lacye - posted on 11/01/2012

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I am considered pro-choice. While I don't agree with using abortions as birth control, what another person does with their body is none of my business. The only body I am concerned about is my own. Would I have an abortion, not unless it was for extreme reasons (rape or life threatening). Other than that, not for me.



With that said, I can see why some people would want to have an abortion. It makes no sense to bring an unwanted child into this world. The foster system is beyond full and you just never know how those children are going to be treated. If the mother and father decide to keep the unwanted baby, who's to say the child wouldn't be abused anyways because it is unwanted. As for adoption, once a child reaches a certain age, nobody wants them so they are automatically shoved off into foster care. It's a cycle that is horrific.

Jazmyne - posted on 11/01/2012

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Ignore me, Im just putting my name on here so I get notifications. I wanna see how this plays out.

Dove - posted on 11/01/2012

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Exactly Denikka! Well... I don't want everyone sterilized either, but... I can't choose 'evil' (not intentionally, of course, I screw up in ways every day), so if my choice is voting between the lesser of two evils... I can't make a choice and can't vote. ;)

Denikka - posted on 11/01/2012

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I think what Michelle is saying is about choosing the lesser of the two evils you're presented with, and Dove is saying more about choosing no evil all together. :)



I realize that it was directed towards Dove, and her and my opinions differ greatly. I don't like abortion, it's not something I'm comfortable with and it's something that I WISH could be eliminated, but I believe it's up to the individual to make the decision.



The only way I would personally vote for abortion to be made illegal, and I think the only time it would be able to be eradicated just about entirely, would be to remove the need for it all together. Eliminate unwanted pregnancy by sterilizing everyone at birth (only solution I can think of), then, when they WANT a baby, reverse the process so that they can have their child.

Honestly, beyond such a drastic measure, I believe that unwanted pregnancies, and thus abortion, will always exist.

Rachel - posted on 11/01/2012

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I am also pro choice. I don't believe any woman should have to have a child she doesn't want. That doesn't mean I agree with getting one. I believe woman should be more careful to not get pregnant if they don't want to have kids but I also know that it does happen, even when you take precautions.

I understand there are other reasons for getting abortions. Either the baby is ill and won't make it or a child resulting in rape. I personally don't think I could abort for any reason but I don't think any woman should be forced to carry a child, she doesn't want.

Dove - posted on 11/01/2012

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But I don't think people should be allowed to make the choice to abort. I just know they WILL make that choice anyway.... and nothing I say or do about it will stop them. I wish with every fiber of my being that making it illegal would stop it from happening. I am not pro-choice because I do not think that anyone should have the choice to take the life of another human being... ever. I wouldn't vote to make murder (as an example) legal though... just because it happens anyway and I WOULD vote to make abortion illegal... if I voted.

Michelle1544 - posted on 11/01/2012

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I understand that abortion is very much against your core beliefs and your reply has helped to clarify your position more but I still don't really understand ( which is okay)



I don't think voting to keep it legal and safe means you are okay with abortion. I know many pro-choice women who don't think aborting is okay and would not choose abortion for themselves. But they are pro-choice because they believe , like you do, regarding safety of women or because they believe every women should be free to make these choices for themselves or maybe some other reason/s ..

Dove - posted on 11/01/2012

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Because I can't vote against my belief that abortion is flat out wrong. I know it 'can't' be illegal, but that doesn't mean I can support it in any way, shape, or form and if I voted to keep it legal... I would be 'saying' that it is ok and it's not.



Does that help? :)

Michelle1544 - posted on 11/01/2012

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Dove - You stated that you believe that making abortion illegal would put the lives of women at risk and you don't want to see that happen , so I don't understand why you wouldn't vote to keep it legal and Safe. But I do respect your position and I appreciate the way you replied so respectfully of others.

Dove - posted on 11/01/2012

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I would vote to make it illegal because I can't/won't ever vote against my beliefs. That's one of the reasons I don't vote though... because making it illegal doesn't solve anything. Now... if I could have a little mind control power and make everyone else on the planet think abortion shouldn't exist either.....I'd be all for that. ;) lol

Kimberlee - posted on 11/01/2012

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Dove , I'm curious , If you were asked to vote on making first trimester abortions ILLEGAL - would you vote yay ot nay ?

Dove - posted on 11/01/2012

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100% pro-life from conception on. I do wish abortion didn't exist (yes, I know it's a pipe dream), but I know that abortion being illegal would not solve anything since many in the world do not think like me and will go and get an abortion even if it's illegal.... which puts them at risk for death as well and I would not call myself 100% pro-life if I were ok with that.



Same reason I'm not anti-abortion if continuing the pregnancy to the point of viability would kill the mother... since you'd have two dead people then... that doesn't equal pro-LIFE. ;)

Kimberlee - posted on 11/01/2012

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Holly Muldowney -

just because people sleep around irresponsibly. ...i agree that if people where raped, that then they should be able to make this choice... because they did not plan on sleeping around... they were FORCED..





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since you are willing to allow that women who were forced into sex should not have to carry a pregnancy then it sounds as if you subscribe to the thinking that a baby is punishment for having sex. That's a sad way to look at pregnancy. If however this was all really about saving the innocent fetus then why would it matter at all how the fetus was created?



I trust women to make their own choices.

Denikka - posted on 11/01/2012

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Holly, your link doesn't work.

That being said, most of the sites against abortion are pretty biased. They use the most graphic images they can find as shock value, and many of the pictures used, especially when it's a *late term* baby, are NOT of aborted babies, but of miscarried ones.

The reason for this is because getting a late term abortion, after 20 weeks, is very difficult. There are VERY few doctors who will perform them in North America (Canada AND the US), and in many places it's illegal. Less than 12% of abortions are gotten at later than 13 weeks. And of that 12%, 1/3 of those are gotten by teenagers,, for various reasons.

Less than 2% of abortions are gotten later than 21 weeks (what is called late term abortions) and MOST of those cases are limited to sever medical difficulties (severe abnormalities in the fetus or extreme health risk to the mother).



At 12 weeks, the fetus is less than 6cm (3inches) long. At that point, they still look fairly alien and are just starting any kind of muscle development. Research indicates that a fetus probably doesn't even feel pain until closer to the 20 weeks mark, although it's been said that it's later (24 weeks) and it's also been said younger (even as early as 12 weeks).

A natal care unit will usually not even provide care before 26 weeks gestation, and as far as I know, not at all before 23 weeks.

Until that point, where it's able to survive outside the womb, the fetus really is nothing but a parasite, unable to survive without its *host*. It's not much more than POTENTIAL. Just as every month, a woman's egg, or every single day a man's sperm, has the potential to create a full fledged person.

Kimberlee - posted on 11/01/2012

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Jill Stanek is laughable ! And the link failed .



A fetus is a fetus Not a newborn . Early first trimester (when most abortions happen) is the up to the woman.

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I'm pro-choice.

You're right. There have always been abortions and there always will be. It's not a matter of IF it will be done, it's a matter of how safe it'll be for the woman getting it done.



For myself, I don't know if I could go through with it, but it makes me feel better that it's a choice that I'M allowed to make.



There will always be those who feel they have the right to meddle in, or even control, other peoples lives. Whether they believe that they know better, that their god has told them so, or whatever reason they can come up with, there will always be those people.

*Killing children* or even *potential children* is always going to bother people. It's a tender spot for anyone who has had or has wanted to have children.

And in a way, I think it's kind of a good thing. If there ever comes a day when it's an easy decision to make and no one speaks out against it, no one is outraged by the *death* of something THEY believe to be a baby, that'll be a sad day for the whole world. We'll all have lost something very precious.

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http://www.jillstanek.com/late-term%20ab...,%20pro-life,%20carhart,%20Abortion%20Pain%20Prevention%20Act.png is this what you are saying people should have the choice to do? this is a SAD thing to do, just because people sleep around irresponsibly. i agree that if people where raped, that then they should be able to make this choice... because they did not plan on sleeping around... they were FORCED into a violent act... perhaps even then they could be given a morning after pill... something, ANYTHING... but seriously.... this is what you are saying should be legal... look at these poor innocent babies that should have been cared for... not killed because somebody couldn't take a moment to say no, or to wrap it up, or take their pill that morning, or gone to get a shot.

Holly - posted on 11/01/2012

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neither is abortion. you can not tell me that there has not been an abortion on a woman who might have been later term pregnancy than she knew and the infant was indeed consience... infact some places do this "late term abortion" for women KNOWING they are later term pregnancies

Michelle1544 - posted on 11/01/2012

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A sperm is alive , so what?



It ( a fetus ) is not aware , not able to feel , doesn't have a functioning brain , is not capable of breathing . So sure , it's technically living but only because the women it's inside of is breathing.

Michelle1544 - posted on 11/01/2012

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Abstinence also has the least chance of being chosen as a birth control method. It's been an available as a choice since the beginning of time and yet we still have high rates of unintended pregnancy. That tells me that it's not going to be the answer to unintended pregnancy.

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preventing pregnancy and ending pregnancy are two different things... and are you telling me that an infant, that is circulating blood is not alive?

Holly - posted on 11/01/2012

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there are other methods to keep from becoming pregnant, but that method has the highest chances of working...

Michelle1544 - posted on 11/01/2012

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Sure Holly all those things exist and you have a right to make the choice for yourself (currently ) about what you will do to prevent pregnancy (if you want to prevent pregnancy) and so should every single other woman. I don't want an abortion myself but I'm not about to impose that on another woman.

Michelle1544 - posted on 11/01/2012

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A fetus and a newborn baby - simply not the same thing . A fetus is not conscience .

As for the whole close your legs argument , Has saying that ever lowered the amount of unplanned pregnancies? I don't think so .

Holly - posted on 11/01/2012

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"I don't really understand how anyone would think they have a right to force a woman to remain pregnant" should have thought about that before sex... there are condoms and birth control pills and IUDs and diaphrams and abstinence, and depo shots and so many different options, WHY oh WHY go and get yourself pregnant just to abort it later?

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I am against abortion. I am sorry, but killing babies because women can not keep their damn legs closed is SICKENING... i think that perhaps if people were raped then that COULD be something different, but i STILL think that they could put the child up for adoption. if they can't bare to raise them. but you could offer that with the police report. but abortion because you don't want to raise a baby even though you can't keep your legs closed is a SICKENING reason for abortion.

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