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Michelle1544 - posted on 11/01/2012 ( 800 moms have responded )

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I'm pro-choice. I don't really understand how anyone would think they have a right to force a woman to remain pregnant or to deny her the right to make her own choice. I'm not pro-abortion either if I was then I wouldn't have children that I carried and gave birth to. Even when abortion was illegal there still were abortions , so what's the point in making it illegal?

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Michelle1544 - posted on 11/05/2012

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Miriam - posted 30 minutes ago

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so what if they deny him food or water ( say his hearts pumping all on its own.)

what if a person take RU 486 , before a heart beat - that okay?

First trimester fetus growing inside is alive only as long as the women it's inside of is alive , The fetus is not keeping itself alive either .

Chelsea - posted on 11/05/2012

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A heartbeat gives a person life, not the brain. I learnt this in science class for goodness sakes

Miriam - posted on 11/05/2012

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nope not what I believe!! shooting a brain dead guy is murder. unpluging him is not because thats artificial life a baby growing inside of you is not artificial life.......

Miriam - posted on 11/05/2012

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plan b doesnt kill a fetus (baby) plan b thickens the muqus so the sperm cant attach and make a baby!!!

Michelle1544 - posted on 11/05/2012

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Miriam - posted 1 minute ago

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abortion is murder!! theres nothing to it theres no gray area its murder. no one has the right to tell a woman what to do with her body your right, but a woman should not open her legs if she cannot even think about getting pregnant because it can happen no matter what!!! and most of them(woman who dont wanna get pregnant) arent even being carefull when they go around screwing!!!







Do you feel better?

Abortion isn't murder anymore then unplugging a brain dead guy is murder.

and most unplanned pregnancies happen while a woman is taking birth control measures.

Michelle1544 - posted on 11/05/2012

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Chelsea Duarte - posted 3 minutes ago

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So I read your article all about fetal heart beats and rates. So you think a heart beat alone makes a person a person , would you then be okay with abortion before a heart beat ? Like maybe the plan B pill ?

I still disagree with your view anyway since imo a human being is their brain. Which is why when the brain is dead the person is dead. Even if the hearts beating , people can decide to stop providing artificially fed foods and hydration because the person is legally dead.

Miriam - posted on 11/05/2012

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abortion is murder!! theres nothing to it theres no gray area its murder. no one has the right to tell a woman what to do with her body your right, but a woman should not open her legs if she cannot even think about getting pregnant because it can happen no matter what!!! and most of them(woman who dont wanna get pregnant) arent even being carefull when they go around screwing!!!

Michelle1544 - posted on 11/05/2012

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and let me just add that not only are children in danger in foster care but they are to often in danger in their own homes.

Child Abuse in America

Children are suffering from a hidden epidemic of child abuse and neglect. Every year 3.3 million reports of child abuse are made in the United States involving nearly 6 million children (a report can include multiple children). The United States has the worst record in the industrialized nation – losing five children every day due to abuse-related deaths. 1

Chelsea - posted on 11/05/2012

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Agreed! So why are we arguing? Everyone has the freedom to feel and say what they want. I am simply trying to express what I think and believe, and I belive, as doctor Seus says, "A person is a person no matter how small." Even the size of a fetus in the womb and that is why I cannot ever support abortion. Having a child should not, as you say ruin a woman's life but enrich it. Do you not feel enriched having children? In my eyes a potential life is a life and that life should be supported. A fetus has a heartbeat in the embryonic stage and science will prove it, although, not a lot of scientists will admit to it because doctors get paid very well for doing abortions. http://www.livestrong.com/article/242600...

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Denikka Green - posted 1 minute ago

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I laughed when I read the don't question me comment. I have been asked many questions in this thread and this whole time I thought that was what was suppose to happen in such a thread - guess I'm a fool , who knew !? (lol)

Denikka - posted on 11/05/2012

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Rachel, working in the industry and doing visits means that you know what things are like in your area. Statistics are from all across the state and/or country. The numbers reflect a much broader population. I will absolutely concede that some areas are better than others. Some areas have had vast improvements over the past few years. Not all of them though.



And if you don't want your opinion and your statements questioned, why are you posting on a worldwide site, in a thread that is a debate about abortion? The whole point of this thread is to question and attempt to understand more about what other people believe. To see other peoples thoughts on this specific matter, and to really understand, questions need to be asked. Not sure why you've specified, twice, not to question you.

Kimberlee - posted on 11/05/2012

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Rachel Katsma - posted 2 minutes ago







You are free to believe god tells you whatever you think he tells you and I am free to say I don't believe in god and therefore don't care what someone else thinks he said.



My brain makes me the person I am . it gives me the ability to think , feel , remember , form opinions , have a personality - a fetus doesn't have that and is therefore not the equivalent of a newborn baby , they will be if the pregnancy continues but the are not there yet.



p.s I find it interesting that you ignored the awful statistics about how NOT "Safe" foster care is. and don't question me ...are you kidding? You can't say they are safe now when they are obviously not safe.

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you know what??! i know this firsthand. i have worked for and in the childcare industry for more than 10 years. i have done foster visits. i have heard the stories of homes that are worse and some that are better (family home not foster) there are always going to be two sides to every situation. dont question me.

Rachel - posted on 11/05/2012

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have you researched this??? because I have... just now ....again. God says a fetus is alive at conception because the sperm and egg are already reproducing...8 weeks the baby has its own heartbeat. I am not looking for response but dont question my opinion. and again we all have to research both sides because a lot of info is misleading

Kimberlee - posted on 11/05/2012

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Chelsea Duarte - posted 14 minutes ago

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See this is what I mean by attack. .............. You people are so close- minded.............. It is discouraging to know how heartless people can be.

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It would be helpful if you copy and paste what you feel was a personal attack. Honestly , I don't know what you are talking about. And saying "You people are so close minded" is being mean . I personally don't let stuff like that bother me but if you are pointing the finger you might want to stay clear of doing to others what you are accusing them of doing.

Kimberlee - posted on 11/05/2012

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Rachel Katsma - posted 10 minutes ago

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not all children have bad experiences in foster care now a days. ten years ago was awful, but now cps and the government watch these families so closely.

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One of the most comprehensive surveys of abuse in foster care was conducted in conjunction with a Baltimore lawsuit. Trudy Festinger, head of the Department of Research at the New York University School of Social Work, determined that over 28 per cent of the children in state care had been abused while in the system.



Cases reviewed as the trial progressed revealed children who had suffered continuous sexual and physical abuse or neglect in foster homes known to be inadequate by the Department. Cases included that of sexual abuse of young girls by their foster fathers, and that of a young girl who contracted gonorrhea of the throat as a result of sexual abuse in an unlicenced foster home.[1]



In Louisiana, a study conducted in conjunction with a civil suit found that 21 percent of abuse or neglect cases involved foster homes.[2]



In another Louisiana case, one in which thousands of pages of evidence were reviewed, and extensive testimony and depositions were taken, it was discovered that hundreds of foster children had been shipped out of the state to Texas.



Stephen Berzon of the Children's Defense Fund explained the shocking findings of the court before a Congressional subcommitte, saying: "children were physically abused, handcuffed, beaten, chained, and tied up, kept in cages, and overdrugged with psychotropic medication for institutional convenience."[3]



In Missouri, a study found that 57 percent of the sample children were placed in foster care settings that put them "at the very least at a high risk of abuse or neglect."[4]

Laura - posted on 11/05/2012

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If a single living cell was found on a distant planet, scientists would exclaim we have found life elsewhere in the universe.

So if a single living cell is found in the womb of a pregnant woman, why is it not considered life?

Denikka - posted on 11/05/2012

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How have you been attacked Chelsea?

YOU have said that you are against abortion.

You have said that women should not have abortions.

You have said that abortion is wrong. That aborting is the same as killing/murdering a child.

If you had the ability, you would make abortion illegal.

Because YOU think that it's wrong.



That's where you are saying that you're beliefs are more important. That people should be held to your standards. How is pointing this out an attack? It's not. I have not degraded you in anyway. I have not name called. I have not made any comment on your personality or lifestyle beyond that I think that your opinion in this particular matter is misguided. I have merely said that I would not appreciate someone outside of my life (aka ANYONE else but me) making such a monumental, life changing decision for me, especially when it goes against my own beliefs.

Kimberlee - posted on 11/05/2012

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Chelsea Duarte - posted 1 minute ago





Of course I have talked with women who are considering an abortion and have tried to encourage them to continue the pregnancy BUT if they are certain about their decision to have an abortion then I support them in that. - and I would NEVER tell anyone to abort , it's their choice not mine ( or yours).



Regret can happen on all sides sides of this debate. Women can regret their choice to parent as , put a child up for adoption or regret their choice to abort. The best way to avoid regret is letting the fully informed women make her own choice and not having other people push her into a decision she doesn't really want. Bottom line is still that MOST women report their number one feeling after abortion is relief.



Just because things worked out for you does not mean they will work out for everyone. That's as logical as me saying that because they didn't work out for me they wont work out for anyone else.



As for the suicidal friend , she's my friend , I support her unconditionally and have told her how important she is in my life. She's been in therapy for years. Mental health issues are real and not simply a matter of needing a push.

Chelsea - posted on 11/05/2012

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This forum is a complete waste of time, I am glad to see that there are still those who are willing to stand up and fight, but nobody will get anywhere as long as we're not willing to listen to each other and hear the intentions behind the words. Good luck with your world views, and I hope they turn out to be true for you. I apologize for letting my anger get the best of me as well. This is why public forums are a bad idea.

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Rachel, the timing of abortion has already been discussed and beaten to death. 88% of abortions are performed by 12 weeks, well before the fetus could even potentially live outside of the womb. Almost all (like 98-99% of abortions are preformed before 20 weeks, still before a fetus is able to live outside the womb. And almost all of the abortions performed AFTER 20 weeks are pregnancies that are WANTED, but due to medical problems, they are dangerous to the mother or the fetus is deformed to a point where it's not viable.



The youngest gestational age at which a child has been born and survived it 21 weeks, 5 days.

Chelsea - posted on 11/05/2012

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See this is what I mean by attack. I say one thing and people read way into it and think I'm saying something completely different. Now I am being attacked for thinking that my standards should have precedences over everyone else's when I never implied that, I'm simply trying to support my view. How do you not see that by supporting your view, I could say exactly the same thing about you? That is what I mean about being one- sided. You people are so close- minded you can't even see that you are doing the very thing your accusing me of. I'm tired of this. It is discouraging to know how heartless people can be. Nobody knows what I've been through and overcome but you all pretend to and I am tired. We keep going around in circles and are never getting anywhere, because nobody is listening. I want no part of this anymore.

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Chelsea, if she wonders *what if* all her life, if he regrets her decision, then those are her consequences to bear.

There are many things I wish I could have happened differently. Many things I'd go back and change if I could. People I wouldn't have dated, things I wouldn't have said, choices I would have made differently. There are many times I look back on my life and wonder what would have happened if I had done X, Y, or Z instead.

But I would NOT thank anyone who took away MY ability to make those choices FOR MYSELF.

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adoption can be easy sometimes depending on the circumstance. this past sunday was national adoption day. our church raised money for the family and they got their son! they were told it was not possible for them to conceive and now they and the baby have the life they dreamed of. not all children have bad experiences in foster care now a days. ten years ago was awful, but now cps and the government watch these families so closely. i am not saying bad things dont happen...a foster family lived across the street and had bad experiences. my best friend had an awful mother and was put in foster care, went through hell, moved in with her dad at 15 and he died when she was 18. she went on to have twins and a third, and is now the highest ranking female in the military in the U.S.

if you look at your child right now...could you imagine your life without them?

All children are a gift...some unplanned circumstances may not be a gift for the mother but when she puts her baby up for adoption that child will be a gift to that family. i respect everyones opinion but dont necessarily agree with some of you. especially the ones that are bickering. if you look up what time of pregnancy an abortion is performed it shows that the baby CAN live outside the womb (fetus if you prefer) on the otherhand if the pregnancy were to kill the mother than what choice does the mother have...see what happens or save her life. but because the timing isnt just right for the woman and wants to get one to erase her mistake...she should be informed that she is destroying a life, an infant.

there are SO SO SO many people that are waiting to adopt so they can complete their families. I just found out my cousin is pregnant unexpectedly, she left her other two children, and i dont know what she is going to do, but i would be so hurt if she took her babies life...it took my hubby and i years of trying to get pregnant and i would love to have another...and if she didnt want her baby, i would take it in a heartbeat. but really i think we all need to leave this conversation because it is getting everyone on both sides of the topic upset.

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Without intentionally dredging up anger...specifically from a Christian stand yes we all have free will, it is a true gift. Yes that does give you the ability to do anything you want but Christians have a specific duty to help Christs children enter the kingdom of heaven .In comparison it is much like how the Amish do not engage in war. They have the duty to keep peace even though they must part themselves from the world in order to do so.That said we are asked to first love God then one another. So that is why we "impose" our stand. We should be better examples and do it without anger or malice. I fully realize that this in not the direction the original post was intended for so I do apologize. I am guilty of getting a bit heated myself.

Chelsea - posted on 11/05/2012

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That is why we have community, people we can trust in our lives to turn to when life seems unbearable.

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Kimberlee you have very interesting perspectives but can you answer me these questions? Would you not tell that woman that life can be worth living and that it can get better and try to get her help instead of just telling her to abort her baby? What if she regrets that decision? What if she wonders "what if" her whole life? Like I said, it worked out for me it can work out for anyone. I just had to start looking at my life more positively and seek help when I felt like I couldn't do it alone. There is plenty of help for people like this out there. Sadly, people who feel suicidal often feel their in it alone and they need a little push by someone who has suffered just like they have and learned to fight for themselves as well as their right to live.

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Chelsea Duarte - posted 1 minute ago





No-ones talking about killing children in foster care. I do NOT SEE A FETUS as a Baby , I know you disagree . But I just don't , for all the reasons I have already mentioned. A fetus is a fetus , it's doesn't have a functioning brain . My brain makes me who I am , makes me a person with thoughts , memories , conciseness etc.. a fetus is missing that and therefore I am okay with the women carrying it to make the choice during the first trimester if she will continue to carry the pregnancy or not.



I am glad your life's difficulties made you feel stronger but there are people who don't feel stronger , just broken , people who take their own lives. Not sure what this has to do with a fetus but there you have it.



I know a woman who was sexually abused from 5-12 and also physically abused , she she also lost her father very young and was raised by a Mom with mental health problems . Shes fought with suicidal tendencies her entire life. She has said to me that she wishes her Mom had aborted her. - You and I don't have to agree that things would have been better had she not been born but it doesn't negate the fact that there are people who feel that way.



So if a woman knows she would bring a child into an abusive life and considers having an early abortion , Who am I to force her to carry that pregnancy? I don't believe any of us have that right .

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Just because YOU got through, ended up happy in life and have been able to forgive those who wronged or hurt you doesn't mean that every one can reach or does reach that point.

You have yet to even address why YOUR standards should set the precedence for EVERYONE ELSE. Not everyone thinks or believes the same as you do.

You speak about free will, but you seem to only believe in it as long as others are doing what YOU believe they should. Free will means that if I want to abort, I can. If I want to commit suicide, I can. If I want to be vegan, I can. And YOU and YOUR opinions have NO say in it. *I* will suffer my own consequences, be they good or bad, from every decision I make. It has NO bearing on YOU what-so-ever.

Believing in FREE WILL means allowing others FREE CHOICE in their own lives.

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Do you not think that I understand that children suffer? Suffering is a heartbreaking thing, but who are we to decide if a life is worth the suffering or not? That is the question. Many people who I've talked to who have gone through suffering feel that the suffering was completely worth it in the end, because it made them stronger people. I am an example of a person who feels this way. I lost my father in a tractor accident when I was only 10 months old. It wasn't anybody's fault, it was an accident and I never blame God for that accident because God gave us free will for a reason and it was my father's choice to get on that tractor. I grew up never knowing what it was like to have a loving father. My mom got married to another man who legally adopted me. This man abused us emotionally and physically, and I remember watching as he hit my mother repeatedly. I also remember him calling me things like "stupid" and "whore" and stuffing food down my throat which caused me to have an eating disorder in my teenage years. I've also been labeled "attention deficit" and been constantly being ridiculed for being "stupid" in school, when I know that I am an intelligent, fully capable young woman. Doesn't mean I blame anyone for that or want an out of life. Doesn't mean I haven't considered it, but in the end I thought about how that would affect the people in my life who I love and decided not to and it turned out to be a good thing because I am now happily married and have a brand new baby boy, as well as a family who loves and accepts me. I know what it is to suffer, but I also know what it is to experience joy beyond my suffering. So don't tell me I don't know what it's like. I have lived through it and forgiven everyone who has ever hurt me and resolve to keep doing that because I know that no one ever means to hurt but that it happens because there is sin in this world and it causes people to hurt when they don't intend to. Please forgive me if I have said anything to hurt you. Believe me that was never my intention. My intention is just to speak up for what I believe to be truth, just as you have the same intention. I do not like to be scorned and told that I implied things I didn't by someone when I know that I didn't, just as I'm sure you don't.

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you did call some one a murderer but it got deleted . You also have said abortion is murder but that doesn't change that in one of your earlier replies you specifically said a person was a murderer.

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I believe in suicide and assisted suicide. Absolutely. I am also pro death penalty if the crime is bad enough for it.

Society draws the line. Society determines what is acceptable what is not. In different places, different things are acceptable. In our current society, the laws have dictated that abortion IS acceptable within certain perimeters (gestational age, ect). Those perimeters differ from place to place, but abortion itself is acceptable. Not to everyone. That much is pretty obvious. But to society in general, it is.



*I* have never said that you don't have the right to live Chelsea. Neither has anyone else in this thread. And, I'm sure the doctor didn't say that you didn't have the right to live (If I remember correctly, your mother was the one with the cyst?)

No one has said you don't or didn't have the right to live. It was up to your mother, she was given a choice, as to whether or not to risk her health and potentially her, AND your, lives to continue with that pregnancy.

SHE chose to take that risk. And she was given a miracle. But just as easily, she could have sacrificed her life. You could have grown up without a mother, or never been born anyways. But it was up to HER and no one else whether taking that risk was worth it or not.

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The system is too full as it is? What a sick and twisted thing to say. So basically we shouldn't be having anymore children because the system is too full? What a statement coming out of the mouth of a mother.

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Do you have any idea what children suffer through in foster care? How about what they suffered before they went into foster care? Its easy to sit and pretend that you're on the moral high ground when the issues are really much more complicated then you seem to understand.

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If my mother felt the same as you I probably wouldn't want to have anything to do with her at all. You can't give birth to a child and than make a statement like "The system is too full" That is utter bullshit!

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The system is too full as it is? What a sick and twisted thing to say. So basically we shouldn't be having anymore children because the system is too full? What a statement coming out of the mouth of a mother.

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You keep dodging my questions and attacking me by saying I'm implying something I'm not.

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You want your questions answered answer some of mine. Who are you to tell me that I do not have a right to live? Who was that doctor to tell me that I did not have the right to live? Answer me that.

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Okay so you believe suicide is right so is muder right then? Where do you draw the line and who gives you the right to make that decision?

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You just attacked me by saying i was calling you muderers where if you had actually read what i said at not taken it out of context, i said i feel abortion is murder. That is an entirely different thing. If you have the ability to look at what I say objectively than you also have to do the same for yourself. You say I am defensive of my view, but obviously, everyone is defensive of their view, because that's the way they think is right. I just wish for once that you pro- choice people would start thinking for yourselves instead of just swallowing the lies that society is feeding us :)

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I've been reading this thread since it first started. I have read every single post thoroughly, clicked and read through every link and watched the clips that have been posted.



And the one thing that I've noticed, is that the pro life (anti abortion/pro birth) people ignore the difficult questions. Heck, they generally ignore almost all the questions directed at them. Instead of answering, they fall back on the same old mantra.

*Abortion is wrong because my beliefs/God says it's wrong and no one should do it, regardless of their beliefs because MY beliefs/God says it's wrong*



What I've seen is that most, if not all, of the pro choice women have stated that abortion is not right right for them or that they wish there was no need for it. The only difference is that they don't think that their opinions, beliefs etc should set the standard for everyone. They don't feel they have the right to tell everyone else how to live their lives.



What if I was vegan and held on to that belief. All life is sacred right? I think you're wrong for eating meat. I think you're a murderer for eating meat. All meat producing should be banned and made illegal. You should never be allowed to have another steak or chicken wing. You are wrong wrong WRONG for eating meat!

What about those people who have an intolerance or inability to properly digest plant protein? Well. . .maybe. In special circumstances. . .I suppose they maybe should be allowed the occasional bit of meat. But it's still wrong and they're still murderers.



Now, isn't it lucky that I'm NOT a vegan and even if I was, I don't believe it's my place to tell you what to eat or what to do with your body?



The steak that ends up on your plate or the chicken wings you eat during the Superbowl or whatever, go through WAY more pain than an aborted fetus. Why is an animals life worth less than a few cells? Hell, forget about the animals that actually have a purpose in their death (aka food), what about all the animals that are killed just because? Dogs and cats who have had a loving home for years, bonded with their family, then end up in a shelter because the new baby has an allergy or the family had to move or it was just too inconvenient to look after the animal anymore.

They know pain. They experience loss and fear. But a thinking, breathing animal is worth less than a clump of cells, based purely on the fact that those are just animals and the cells have human DNA. Talk about a superiority complex.



If ALL life is sacred then make life better for those who are living. Even if you only believe that it's only human life that is sacred, the principle remains the same. Make life better for the living.

If you really want to abolish abortion, remove the need for it. Remove the reasons that anyone would have an abortion. It will never be an overnight thing. Making it illegal will not help anyone or stop women from having them.

I cannot see how someone can be pro-life when you're sending women out to die in the streets instead of having a relatively safe medical procedure in a safe medical environment with trained specialists.

Get the priorities straight. You want to abolish abortion, great. I think everyone would be happier if it didn't need to be an option. But I've said it before, until every pregnancy is wanted and all the children currently in the world are taken care of and loved, there will be a need for abortion. Even if there wasn't a social/emotional/whatever need for abortion, there would still be a medical need for those pregnancies that are dangerous to the mother or where the fetus is not viable.

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Not one sided , people from both sides of the fence have posted their views and reasons for their views.

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I disagree Sarah. This is not a one sided forum. How could it possibly be with the extreme diversity in CoM? Just because someone with one perspective posts a debate, does not mean it is one sided. I see that you are farely newer here. There have been abortion discussions on this site from pro life stances, pro choice stances, and undecided over the years. The reason you may see this as one sided is because maybe more people are realizing it is not a black and white issue. That women should have the right to chose what is right for their bodies and their lives.

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How could you say it's one sided when I have read the views from both sides ? I haven't seen anyone being attacked , I have seen views and facts disputed but not any personal attacks by anyone on the PC side. Perhaps a few attacks by the PL side like calling people who don't agree with them , Murderers. Do you often feel attacked?



Can't speak for others but I have read your words and watched the videos , they are the same old same pro-life stuff I have heard , seen and read before. I haven't heard a lot in response to my comments to you though , you seem to stay on the same script regarding God and "Babies" even though I have told you that I don't believe in god , many people don't ( religiousness is statistically falling by the weight side according to the surveys) , .. I also don't consider a fetus which is technically brain dead to be entitled to more rights the woman carrying it. But you still argue the same points. Would be nice to hear something new from you. Oh well.



I value human life very much , I simply do not place a fetuses life above a woman's life. I also know that quality of life does mean something . Life simply for the sake of life ?? Not so much.



I will pray he has mercy on you for your judgmental ways and your Persecutory beliefs. ( seems kind of rude huh ? Yeah well it seems that way when you say it too)

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This is a very one-sided forum... how could it not be when the original post takes one side over the other. That is ok because, at least for now our country stands on the ability to hold ones own beliefs. It is also true there is no convincing the righteous and there is no easy answer. There will always be a battle between light and dark no matter what you want to call it. What I do know is if there is any amount of doubt in your heart regarding life then there is a need to contemplate why. And just because something is rare does not make it "ok". There is no doubt in my heart that every life is precious and because of that there are many difficult and heartwrenching scenarios. There are also many rewarding ones.

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Sounds more like fostering then adopting , from the foster care system. The Foster care system has tens of thousands of children cleared and waiting for adoption. Perhaps I'm wrong ?? But that's how it read to me.



They give parents many chances in the system before they clear a child for adoption because they know it's in the best interest of the child to remain with one or both birth parents whenever possible ..what does that say about adoption?



Don't get me wrong I think adoption can be a good and positive thing but it's not always and it's certainly not a choice without consequence.

Chelsea - posted on 11/05/2012

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Well this is a very one- sided forum. You all say that you're interested in hearing other sides but then jump on people and attack them when they say anything pro- life. You blame us of being close- minded when you are just so close minded yourselves. I simply cannot understand how you think that a woman's right to choose takes importance over a precious babies life and may God have mercy on all of you for thinking that any person can take his place and decide who gets to live and who gets to die. From the very beginning you have not considered any of my words or watched the video I posted and this is why I am throwing in the towel, not because you will ever convince me that abortion is not murder, but because no one who ever values life would ever be pro- choice. I pray that you will get to know the value of life and be thankful to God for every breath you, your children, and your family members have but it is obvious I cannot convince you of this. So good luck and good riddance and regardless of what you claim, God is real, whether or not you want to admit it to yourselves and he is very against abortion because it destroys his creation. You think this is not a spiriual debate, but you don't reailze that it is because you cannot take God out of it. Because God is love and because he created our ability to be compassionate, It breaks his heart every time one of those precious babie dies. I pray that he has mercy on all of you for your blindness.

Chris - posted on 11/05/2012

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A huge problem regarding adopion in the USA is the way it is handled in our court system. Birth parents who neglect or abuse their children are given way too many chances and kids are back and forth between birth home and foster homes until they are so scarred and have big behavior problems that the average family isn't ready or able to handle. There are a lot of pro-life families willing and able to adopt and many do (myself included), but there are very few infants available due to abortion. Even if you do get placement of an infant through the foster system, you often have to endure months or years of going to court, always afraid your foster child will be yanked out of your arms and given to the birthparent or their family. It is a horrible situation...one that friends of mine are currently experiencing.

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