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I'm pro-choice. I don't really understand how anyone would think they have a right to force a woman to remain pregnant or to deny her the right to make her own choice. I'm not pro-abortion either if I was then I wouldn't have children that I carried and gave birth to. Even when abortion was illegal there still were abortions , so what's the point in making it illegal?

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Jodi - posted on 11/04/2012

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In Australia, the average adoption process takes an average of 7 years.....just sayin'.

Melissa - posted on 11/04/2012

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Laura, thought it was funny you said I was pro-choice. I never claimed a title of pro-life or pro-choice. :) I suppose I'm pro-choice in all respects.



As for the comment, I was talking about posts in general. I was not trying to point fingers at any one person. I had hoped everyone would step-back and determine for themselves whether they had made appropriate comments or what not. I trying not to be accusatory or rude in any way. Just hoping we can all be kind and respectful. Sorry if you felt otherwise...not my intention.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/04/2012

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Chelsea, what it all boils down to is this. Do you feel it is right to oppress others beliefs in order to support your own? Do you feel it is right to oppress other peoples rights? Do you feel you have the right to dictate how others live? Stangers you have never met and never will and tell them what is best in there lives? Really...that is what it comes down to. Regardless of your religious beliefs.

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Devon Bonson - posted 21 minutes ago

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Just a question to everyone out there. Has anyone out there seen a newborn baby born addicted to drugs? Being born down sick or with brain damage from the mother's drug use. It's not a pretty picture. Do you think these children reallytill being born to a drug addicted mother have a great chance at life? Do you think that people are lining up to adopt babies who won't stop crying because their little bodies are withdrawing from substances that they have been exposed to for 9 months?

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That is just so awful , so sad.

I think the statistics for these children are grim but of course there is always hope and some do beat the odds.

Again , still pro-choice.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/04/2012

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Yes actually in some circumstance I DO believe in suicide and even assisted suicide. Especially when it comes to long term terminal illness.



It is unfair certainly when the father does want the kid. When it is at that point, he can seek legal aid. But I suppose it would be for full custody and rights....and by all means he should be paying for all medical bills.



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Chelsea - posted on 11/04/2012

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Is it not fair to kill an unborn child without giving them the right to live? Where is their right? There are plenty of options for the woman to help keep from getting pregnant, but if she does choose to engage in risky behavior why should she make her unborn baby pay for her bad choices? Also what about the father? What if the father wants the baby? Where's his right to keep his baby if his partner chooses to abort? Also, if you support free- choice do you also support suicide? After all, suicide is a choice? What is the difference between a woman's right to kill herself or her unborn fetus? Do you not see how completely controversial this is?

Kimberlee - posted on 11/04/2012

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Melissa Harnly - My point was not that in order to be a living human being one must have breath from god , it was simply that SOME people believe differently . Some people believe that breath is the defining moment , some say quickening , some say birth. Some say the Bible backs up their belief ( I'm not saying I agree with their interpretation) I personally don't believe the Bible ,, so for me it has nothing to do with my views on abortion.



My only question to you is Do YOU believe that your views should form the laws regarding abortion? Would you vote to make abortion illegal ? You did state you don't think they should "regulate" abortion , but does that mean they should make it illegal ?



Thanks for your time and non-judgmental sharing of your view point.

Lauren - posted on 11/04/2012

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Melissa, you rated my post funny, then replied saying people's posts are belittling or rude. If your referring to me then I'm not quite sure why? YOU said it is a persons choice to make for themselves & God will judge them & it's not your place to cast judgement.



I said that's exactly the argument for prochoice. It's a persons choice to decide to abort or not. Sin or not, it's not our place to judge. They will be judges by God, if that's what you believe.



I simply pointed out the similarity in the statements. I don't feel I was rude or belittling you & I'm not quite sure why you would think I was. I have not been demeaning to anyone or called anyone names. I've never put down anyone's beliefs. I have supported everyone's right to believe what they want & free speech to talk about all of their beliefs.



It seemed like your comment was directed at me, so I'm trying to understand why.

Lauren - posted on 11/04/2012

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Chelsea, yes. All that you said could very well be true. I personally don't see the point of abortion. I think adoption is a good thing. I very seriously have considered possibly being a foster parent. What you still have not addressed though, is whether it is fair to force these beliefs on someone who does not share your views? Is it fair to force a woman who does not agree with you, to follow your beliefs by outlawing abortion all together? If you think someone having an abortion is committing a sin, then they will be punished by God eventually correct? It is not our place to impose any consequences for that sin.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/04/2012

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I know this is a long thread Chelsea, but we have already fully discussed adoption and how it really is not a choice for many. Also how difficult it is in my country (America) to adopt and how expensive it is. Most people have to adopt from other countries. And even that can take years. Putting your child up for adoption sounds all like a great choice when someone like you simplifies it to someone who is trying to decide what they want to do, but the reality is it is a very difficult thing.

Devon - posted on 11/04/2012

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Just a question to everyone out there. Has anyone out there seen a newborn baby born addicted to drugs? Being born down sick or with brain damage from the mother's drug use. It's not a pretty picture. Do you think these children really have a great chance at life? Do you think that people are lining up to adopt babies who won't stop crying because their little bodies are withdrawing from substances that they have been exposed to for 9 months?

Brandy - posted on 11/04/2012

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Chelsea, if the child is not adopted and is put into the system for 18 years of their life, how is THAT more compassionate than getting rid of the cells before they can think and feel pain? Foster kids, and even adopted kids, do not always have the perfect life you envision. Many of them go through life feeling unloved at best and abused...and maybe even murdered...at worst. They end up messed up for life. How exactly is that more compassionate?



You can support adoption, that is fine. But please understand the realities of adoption...and why women choose abortion over it. It's not all rosy and fun.

Melissa - posted on 11/04/2012

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Several of these posts are extremly rude and condecending. They are very off-putting. It is really disheartning to be belittled with such crass words. Please try and be civil. I have seen several people make this kind of request and it seems the same people keep making ugly hurtful posts. Please, consider your tone and choose less attacking language. We are supposed to be supporting each other not attacking. Also, every discussion has some issue of extremism. I don't think bombing clinics or chasing down women as they exit and establish abortion clinic is the right thing to do either. No have I ever carried a sign to petition such a place. Again attacking and belittleing is just wrong. When this is done it stops communication and builds walls and resentment. Obviously, many here have seen and felt this, I'm sure most agree it is not helpful.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/04/2012

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Por choice means it is your choice to decide to abort, or keep it, or put it up for adoption. Women have choices with their bodies and how they want to live.

Lauren - posted on 11/04/2012

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Devon I'm a bit confused. You started out agreeing with me, then said prolife people don't hold up signs forcing their views on others? Did you mean prochoice? I see lots of prolife people holding signs protesting & even killing abortion doctors. You don't see prochoice people out there killing prolife people in the name of abortion.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/04/2012

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And that is fine Chelsea, but the whole point is, not everyone feels the same. Many people feel the system is to full as it is. Also, some people think it is more compassionate to abort and unwanted fetus than have it suffer in life. That is your choice. But there is a difference in deciding what is right for you, and forcing your beliefs on others. See?

Chelsea - posted on 11/04/2012

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If the parent(s) cannot care for the child adoption is a great option where everybody can feel like they are winning. There are also open adoptions where the parent has the option to visit the child but where they can go to a good home where their needs will be met. There is no good reason to kill innocent babies

Chelsea - posted on 11/04/2012

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Which is why I support adoption as a more compassionate choice than abortion.

Lauren - posted on 11/04/2012

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Melissa: "others are not 'convicted' in this manner & must choose for themselves their behavior. God deals with us all justly."



Did you just become prochoice? That's exactly what prochoice is. It is understanding that while it may be wrong to you personally, it is their choice to make & suffer the consequences of, whether it be an issue preventing them from having children in the future or God's judgment or some other consequence we can't see. If it is a sin, then they will suffer the consequence. It's not for us to decide or to impose consequences ourself. It is not our place to pass judgment on them for it either. We simply agree to disagree with what they did & wish them well in life's journey. Sounds to me like you agree. So then you sound like you accept that it is an individual's right to choose, even if you believe abortion is a sin. They have the right to commit that sin.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/04/2012

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Actually Melissa, I really respect what you had to say. I like that you do not judge others, and also want the government out of the issue.

Melissa - posted on 11/04/2012

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As I stated... others must come to their own conclusions. I don't hate or even dislike anyone for their beliefs. I won't ridicule or belittle them. They either came to the conclusion on their own or have learned it from others. Either way...they are their own beliefs if they are what they live by, just as mine are my own. I certainly won't strap a bomb on myself and blow up a church because others don't believe in Jehovah. I believe for man to take an innocent life is murder. That is my absolute. I stand on that. Take that to any extent you like.

I don't separate my faith from my life's decisions. Whatever they may be. Treat all people with respect regardless. I believe all people are created in God's image. Therefore, they are entitled to be respected. Those who do not believe in God are not in God's care, but still deserve repect as God's creation. They have no claim to eternal life with Him unless they become redeemed through Christ, the Bible speaks plainly about this. "One day every knee will bow and every tongue shall confess..."There are many, many different schools of thought within the church and the world over literally an endless amount of beliefs and differences. These are not "tests of fellowship" . We can agree to disagree. It makes no difference in the long run. The hard questions are whether redemption has taken place and whether Christ is your redeemer. If you choose to reject Him I have no obligation to "teach" Christ to you. I can pray for those who are non-believers and continue to live my life being "above reproach", but after I share His word I am no longer "required" to witness anymore. My church is full of many different beliefs. Christianity is smiliar to physical development. We are all at different stages. Some drink milk, others eat meat. The Genisis account is the account of God's first "breath" of mankind and is unique to Genesis. Different commentaries assert different interpretations. I believe it to mean "soul" as opposed to the physical breath that you may assert. Again, this is semantics. "God formed man of the dust - In the most distinct manner God shows us that man is a compound being, having a body and soul distinctly, and separately created; the body out of the dust of the earth, the soul immediately breathed from God himself. Does not this strongly mark that the soul and body are not the same thing? The body derives its origin from the earth, or as עפר aphar implies, the dust; hence because it is earthly it is decomposable and perishable. Of the soul it is said, God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; נשמת חיים nishmath chaiyim, the breath of Lives, i.e., animal and intellectual. While this breath of God expanded the lungs and set them in play, his inspiration gave both spirit and understanding."



I believe abortion to be wrong. It is one of many things I think government has no business in regulating. I believe it is sin. I do not feel I can participate in it without going against my spiritual conscience. However, others are not "convicted" in this manner must choose for themselves their behavior. God will deal with us all justly. I have great compassion for anyone who is in this situation and certainly don't judge them eternally or hold any ill will toward them.

See link for more info: http://bible.cc/genesis/2-7.htm Little Miss, the bottom line is at this time we lack answers. Long ago, I was taught Pluto was a panet and there were only three states of matter. Now we know better. Has science changed? No, I think not. Man has learned better. We have 2 choices...accept or reject~it is your decision regardless of what I say. Sorry, I know this is lengthy. I hope it is helpful.

Michelle1544 - posted on 11/04/2012

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Devon Bonson - posted 9 minutes ago





I have seen many pro-life people with signs , people who are trying to force their beliefs on others.



I just posted (in welcome to CoM's) about Crisis Pregnancy Centers - Talk about pushing ones view !!

Brandy - posted on 11/04/2012

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Chelsea: "Brandy no child should ever be unwanted in the first place. If someone decides to sleep with someone they should be willing to pay the consequences for their actions. We're all taught about things such as STD's and babies in school so there is no excuse for the killing of innocent babies. If someone is raped, there is the adoption to adopt which is a compassionate choice for the child, as well as the adopting parents."



Um, EXACTLY. No child should ever be unwanted. Re-read what YOU said over and over. THAT is why we must keep abortion legal and keep it a woman's choice. Thank you for stating it so simply.



And then the very next sentence you contradict your first sentence. "They should be willing to pay the consequences" of sex - pregnancy. What happened to no child ever being unwanted?



No one is killing innocent babies. A fetus is NOT an innocent baby, it is a bunch of cells. PLEASE understand the science behind this. If you refuse to, then PLEASE, at least stop repeating the same BS over and over.



Adoption is NOT always a great option. That has been gone over, too. There are too many foster kids now as it is. But yet you want to put MORE UNWANTED children into the system.



Again, go read your very first sentence. THAT is why abortion MUST remain legal.

Devon - posted on 11/04/2012

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I think that Lauren has hit the nail on the head with this one. We all have our own beliefs. I don't encourage people to make the decisions I have made. The decisions I have made were right for me at the time. Would I make that decision again? Maybe, maybe not.

One big difference I've noticed between pro-lifers and pro choice is that you don't see pro-life people going up to a pregnant woman and saying "Hey have you thought of abortion?". You don't see pro-lifers marching outside of the hospital holding up signs pushing their views on the world.

Women for one reason or another all over the world since the beginning of time have had to fight for the right to do anything themselves, the right to make choices.

Brandy - posted on 11/04/2012

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Kylie: "There should be a reason, a good one, not just because it's bad timing or whatever."



But that's the thing...who determines what is a "good" enough reason? You don't know another woman's situation and why she may believe abortion IS the choice for her. It may not be good enough for you, but to her, her whole world could be ending with that pregnancy. That is why it must remain a choice, no matter what the reason.

Lauren - posted on 11/04/2012

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Chelsea, you have gotten so upset that we're making you apologize for your beliefs & forcing ours on you. I have not seen any posts like that. In fact, pro-choice is mainly centered around valuing each individuals freedoms, freedom to believe what they wish, to speak about their beliefs & to remove an unwanted pregnancy. We have all said, you are free to believe in the religion you choose & you are free NOT to have an abortion if you don't want one, but you are NOT free to force your beliefs & religion upon others by making a law outlawing abortion based on your religious beliefs. That is not fair to other women who do NOT share your same views. The part I find most ironic is that many pro-choice people actually agree that abortion is wrong as a personal choice. I would never have an abortion. I think many others here wouldn't either. The ONLY difference between us is that we do not want to force anyone else to follow our personal beliefs. So prolife people can keep telling us how it's wrong, it's murder, it's against God, whatever, it may all be true, we don't necessarily say that is incorrect. We only say, women who don't believe that should have the right to believe what they wish & make their own choice about abortion. I've yet to hear a valid argument indicating why it is OK to force a persons own individual belief upon everyone else?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/04/2012

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The problem with everything you said Melissa is there are so many more religions out there. Not everyone believes in your God, or the bible. You making choices and judging others for their beliefs is actually against what your bible and your God asks of you. If you even want to take that a step further, there would be no war in the name of God taking innocent lives. The point being, it is not your choice. And, if you truly believed in not taking innocent lives, then you would love having a safe place for women to go and have an abortion. Why? Many innocent lives have been taken by back alley abortions. Also why? So many "Christians" have killed others for even stepping into abortion clinics let alone working there. So really, it comes down to caring for the safety of others and providing them with a safe place to do something you consider sinful. It is not pretty, that is for sure. And you say "our" beliefs as a general statement for all Christians right? Well, don't speak for all Christians, cause I know many that have had abortions, and also believe in the freedom of womens rights. i am a Christian, and I believe women have a right to choose. We don't have to agree, but I want a safe place for women to abort if that is there choice.

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Little Miss...I want others to come to their own conclusion. I am ultimately only responsible for my life. I will be judged by my life and my decisions. However, as Christians we have an obligation to speak out against Biblical immorality...................................



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So your views are shaped by your religious beliefs and you believe ( please correct me if I am wrong here) that you are obligated to speak out against abortion because you have a desire or maybe even a calling (?) to warn people ..



I hear you !! I respect your opinions and views. But what about the person who doesn't believe in god? What about the person who believes in god but doesn't believe the same way you do ? Or the person who doesn't interprit the bible in the same way? Such as people who don't believe the fetus is a protected , living human being until they have breath ? ( sited examples - And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. - Genesis 2:7 (KJV) -The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. -- Job 33:4 (KJV) )



Do you believe that abortion should be ILLEGAL based on your views?

Melissa - posted on 11/04/2012

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Little Miss...I want others to come to their own conclusion. I am ultimately only responsible for my life. I will be judged by my life and my decisions. However, as Christians we have an obligation to speak out against Biblical immorality. If someone were about to get to get hit by a bus I'd do my best to stop it from happening because I respect life. We technically do have a "right" according to the laws of man to enact "free will" on our own body. But with every decision comes judgement from God. Everything Biblically speaks against murder (taking innocent life), and points toward our bodies as not our own. Most Christians believe our life ~ALL LIFE~is God's, not our own. ("I knitted you in the womb") The debate continues as the argument over "when life ACTUALLY begins". Christians believe God's word, science believes differently. So again, the debate continues. According to the Bible murder is sin. Sin separates us from God. God is justifier, meaning He will deal with each of us for our own personal sin. He is just, meaning his judgement will be perfect. Many say that "no one can judge them". For Christians it is God's word that judge (Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart").

For me, I value judgement from others if it is done with love and compassion. We are commanded to "snatch others from the fire"(Read Jude 1:23). I think we can all agree that we are not forcing others to "believe" our beliefs. We, like others here, are merely presenting thoughts, ideas, beliefs, doctrine, and yes, even science to support those thoughts/arguments. However, I share my deepest convictions because I don't want anyone to perish but for all to have everlasting life through Christ. This must come with a realization that sin is wrong and separates us from God, confession of that sin and a repentance must take place. This means to turn away from sin and avoid it. Christians are not sinless. We just trying to sin less and be forgiven for the sins we have committed. People can come to the conclusion that there is sin if they understand what sin is.

Michelle1544 - posted on 11/04/2012

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Chelsea Duarte -



Who is stopping you from expressing your views or challenging other peoples views?

Kimberlee - posted on 11/04/2012

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Little Miss Can't be wrong ; I would love to . and I didn't want to bicker with anyone , I wanted to discuss abortion and those issues. when there is only one other person posting their opposing view then that's who I try and discuss with. - But I am done trying to have an adult discussion with that person. I don't want the thread closed either. Hopefully an articulate pro-life person will come in and be open to an actual discussion.



But there's just not much activity .

~♥Little Miss - posted on 11/04/2012

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Can we PLEASE get this debate back on track and focus on the issue of abortion and being pro or not? Stock bickering before a mod closes this thread down. Other people are interested in the topic also. PLEASE!

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Well if I have a son and I'm pro- life, It should be pretty obvious that I do not see children as a consequence but a gift. If you had actually read my previous posts this would be obvious. It seems like your dead set against in proving your own opinion without considering mine as well as making me feel bad about sharing my feelings and opinions on a public forum. I have at least considered your perspective, but the more opposition you give me, the more I am convinced abortion is wrong



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You made the pregnancy as a consequence statement , NOT me. How is it "pretty obvious" when you , again , made the original statement regarding consequences??



Then when I asked questions about your comment in an attempt to understand what you meant by it , you get defensive and accuse me of making assumptions and being mean ? give me a break . Take responsibility for the fact that you weren't clear about your view or maybe you mis-spoke or maybe you spoke without thinking it through - I don't know , since (again) I didn't make the comment. What I do know is that however you feel about it now , it's on your shoulders since the comment was made by you , your actions ='s your consequence.



Now I'm suppose to feel responsible for your feelings? Well I don't they are YOUR feelings and you're responsible for them.



I don't believe you have attempted to look at my perspective at all. You haven't asked for anything to be clarified and you haven't commented on any of the views I shared.



You have called me a murderer , made some statement about me making assumptions (simply because I ASKED you a question ) , have attempted to make me responsible for your feelings ,



I DO NOT Care if you are more convinced about your point of view or not . I was simply trying to have an adult conversation and you have made that impossible. I no longer care what your opinion or view is since I am starting to believe you aren't really clear on what and why you have whatever beliefs anyway.

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Point blank. Children are one of the many consequences of sex. That meaning a result. So could any number of std's contracted through sex. So nit picking on one exact word is ludicrous. Both of you move on. You both know what each other are saying. Consequence could be a positive or a negative depending on the experience, and current life situation.

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Chelsea, you are taking this debate very personally. This is all about trying to understand eachothers perspective. Like my question I just posted. Instead of reading what other people are saying,you are directing all of your comments at just one person. Settle down. So, I have a serious question I posted to ALL pro lifers. If you have a real comment and insight, i would love to hear it. But if you are going to take my response personally when i probe more, then don't bother.

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If you are free to post your stance, how come I'm not allowed to challenge it?

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Why do you feel you have a right to take someone's freedom of expression away from them?

Chelsea - posted on 11/04/2012

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Well if I have a son and I'm pro- life, It should be pretty obvious that I do not see children as a consequence but a gift. If you had actually read my previous posts this would be obvious. It seems like your dead set against in proving your own opinion without considering mine as well as making me feel bad about sharing my feelings and opinions on a public forum. I have at least considered your perspective, but the more opposition you give me, the more I am convinced abortion is wrong

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I believe its our body and our right to choose. That being said I don't think it's a choice that should be taken lightly. I am a recovering drug addict and at the height of my addiction I was forced by my boyfriend at the time to have an abortion (by forced I mean I was basically told that either it was happening medically or "accidently"). Looking back at it now I don't regret it because I already had a healthy little boy that I was neglecting as well as the fact I had been doing drugs daily since the day I had conceived that baby. It wouldn't of been fair to a child to be brought into the world addicted to drugs. It also wouldn't of been fair bringing a child I had no intention of raising into this world when thousands of children are going through the foster care system with drug addict parents.

Also what if as a parent you are told that if you continue on with your pregnancy your child will be born deformed and will be in constant pain every second of their lives and even those are numbered. Would you want to put them through that?

I don't think it should be used at a form of birth control but I do think that it should be used as a last resort. Every woman should have the right to choose what SHE wants to do with HER BODY.

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Ok, so here is my question to all you pro lifers.



I understand how you feel about abortion. You would never do it. But WHY do you feel you have the right to tell another women what she can and cannot do with her own body if it does not effect you? Seriously, I don't understand that; I completely understand abortion is not an option for you. Hell, many pro choicers would never have an abortion, but they don't feel it is right to make that decision for every women. Why would you rather abolish abortion and not give women a safe place to do what they are going to do regardless of legality?

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I never said children were a consequence either you are really good at assuming things. In fact that is what you pro- choicers are stating when you state a woman has the right to do away with her "unwanted" child. I am simply saying if a person does see a child as a consequence.



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I simply asked you questions in order to try and clarify what you meant when you stated , " If someone decides to sleep with someone they should be willing to pay the consequences for their actions." IF I was making an assumption it would have been a statement and not a question.

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Chelsea, no one is not being nice to you. Pro choice people simply believe that women should be able to make their own choices regarding pregnancy. These choices would be base on our own beliefs, morals and unique circumstances. Also, this choice is not limited to just abortion. If our laws give rights to a pre-viable fetus, almost every other reproductive choice would be effected. An example of this would be VBAC's. many Dr's believe it is too risky for the baby. Giving personhood to the unborn would give these dr's the ability to get a court order forcing women to have a c-section in spite of her wished or already set up birth plan. That is just ONE scenario, giving the unborn the rights of the born would also effect birth control choices, pre natal choices, IVF and much more. Legislating pregnancy is a very bad idea.

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Chealsea ; I wasn't trying to be Not-nice. I'm really not sure what I wrote that you felt was mean ..I'm not angry at you .



I get that you see abortion as murder . I don't . I'm not afraid to admit anything. I see abortion ends a fetuses life and stops it from therefore growing into a baby . You can call me a murderer if you want , ( have I had an abortion? or does just being pro-choice mean I am a murderer? ) You see an embryo as having rights that supersede the woman's rights - again , I disagree. No anger , no fear , just how I view it and how the law views it.

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I was trying to be nice about it but obviously you aren't interested in being nice so why should I be anymore. Abortion is murder. You shouldn't be angry at me for something that you already know but are afraid to admit. A life is a life regardless if it is an embryo or a fetus.

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I never said children were a consequence either you are really good at assuming things. In fact that is what you pro- choicers are stating when you state a woman has the right to do away with her "unwanted" child. I am simply saying if a person does see a child as a consequence.

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Chelsea ,



Is having a child a punishment for having sex?



I don't consider my children to be consequences. Do you consider your children to be consequences for your sexual behavior?



For years the only sex Ed in many States and public schools in the US consisted of "abstinence" only. Children were not taught about birth control .Many of these programs also taught that condoms are not effective at all . They shared other misinformation in a misguided attempt to keep teens from having sex. It was a huge failure ( federally funded failure at that ) . People are not always given a proper education about sex. Birth control can be difficult for teens and adults to obtain .



As for god and his plan. Honestly many , many people do not believe in god or if they do believe in god , do not view god the same way as you do .



So ,to you , it may make perfect sense that one shouldn't have an abortion due to your religious beliefs but LOTS of us don't see it that way at all. I can understand that you truly believe your beliefs about god are right . Can you understand that I truly believe that my atheism is right?



Even when I did read the bible it seemed to me unclear what god thought about abortion. Maybe you think he clearly thought it was wrong - I disagree.



My point is that we are all coming from our own understanding , we have different backgrounds and different beliefs. I believe a fetus is not the same thing as a new born baby or even a baby that has hit the developmental stage of being viable. I don't believe a fetus is entitled to the same rights a woman is.I wouldn't want to impose on you my beliefs . I would appreciate not having your beliefs imposed on me.



I trust women to make their own decisions regarding abortion.

Chelsea - posted on 11/04/2012

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That is completely differnt a baby is an innocent life. I am not by any means saying someone should not be treated for an STI. That is a completely unfounded statement. I wish for once someone would read my posts without having to put words into my mouth.

Lori - posted on 11/04/2012

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There is always a lot of talk about people having to "suffer the consequences" of sex, by having a baby. I, personally, don't think that abortion is a way of escaping consequences, in fact it often is, itself, a consequence. I see it this way, if you have unprotected sex and contract an STI (instead if a pregnancy) would people expect you to go untreated for said STI in order to ensure you "suffer the consequence" for your actions? See how ridiculous that is???

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