any views on alcohol on babies dummy?

Mel - posted on 04/22/2009 ( 90 moms have responded )

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hi i just wanted to see what everyone else thought of this out of curiousity i dont want any arguements or rude comments just curious

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Amanda - posted on 04/23/2009

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Quoting Melissa:

Thanks Sarah and others yeah def not all the time just every now and then. and amanda everybody knows you can drink in moderation while pregnant doesnt take a genius to figure that out and considering youre only commenting because you dont like me dont bother commenting at all. Thanks Melissa I will be careful =)



I dont know anyone who drniks during pregnancy. this has to be the most irresponsible and most stupid thing you can do.



it does not take a genius to figure out that drinking during pregnancy in any amount is dangerous and can cause FASD.



I am going to assume that you drank during your pregnancy and this is why you think it is ok. Do doctors recomend drinking during pregnancy in australia because I know in the rest of the modern world EVERYONE knows that it is bad for the fetus and causes FASD.



you just seem to be such an uninformed mom and it really makes me worry for your childs safety.



I know that here in canada if we know of someone who does the types of things that I have read about in many of your posts it would be our moral obligation to cantact child protective services.



I would be careful if I were you about what you post on here because there just may be somone from your neck of the woods that will rat you out for the safety of your daughter (who you should be extra careful which since she is special needs tp begin with)



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I knew as soon as I saw this topic last night that it would spark a debate. I tried my best to keep my opinion respectful but honest. After logging in and reading the rest of the posts, I have to say that I don't understand why anyone would think it's ok to give a baby alcohol. Some posters have said that it's a "tried and true" way to ease teething. But there are also other methods that are tried and true and don't involve giving a potentially harmful substance to our babies. Things like a damp frozen wash cloth, gels, tablets, mesh bags with frozen fruit, popcicles, teething rings...the list goes on. If you can afford to buy whiskey, then you can afford to try one of these other safer methods. I know no one is saying that they give their babies alcohol on a regular, daily basis. I'm not judging anyone, but I just don't understand why in this day and age, when we know so much more and have so many other options available, why someone would do this ever. It's one thing to let your older child ask to taste your beer (my mother did this when I was little) but to GIVE it to a baby to me is just not right.

There are a few people that I agree with that I wanted to mention....Sian...I agree that giving alcohol on a paci may just be helping them associate alcohol with comfort and setting them up for future issues. Not that it WILL but it MAY and why take the risk? I also agree with Angela regarding the legal issue. It really doesn't matter if you think it's ok, it's breaking the law and the law won't care about your opinion when they are investigating you for neglect. I don't say this to be rude or harsh, but just as fact. I grew up in foster care and those people are way too overworked to listen to a mothers reason for giving their child alcohol. When they are investigating all they care about are the facts and the fact is that it's illegal (here in the States at least).

One last thing that I want to say is that I can see this sparking into a huge back and forth debate and there is nothing wrong with that. Healthy discussion from opposing sides is always a welcome sight. I just hope this doesn't turn into a witch hunt on either side. I really hope that it can continue to be a respectful conversation (as it so far has been for the most part). We all have strong ideas and opinions, especially when it comes to our children. And I choose to believe that medical science has advanced beyond some of the old wives tales. After all, I read a post awhile back about an old wives tale where this one lady said that to cure constipation in a baby to blow cigarette smoke up the baby's shirt towards his/her face. Ridiculous and appalling right? To me, the alcohol - baby thing is in that same category...everything in me shouts "NO!" Just my opinion though, sorry for rambling.

Amanda - posted on 04/23/2009

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Quoting Melissa:

interesting point Sarah. your right we are all ok when are parents did this for us as kids :) Thankyou for pointing that out. its really interesting for me to see everyones views. i rememeber at my mothers bday drinks last year when my daughter was 8 months the ladys were putting alcohol on her dummy. i asumed it was something that most parents did every now and then. i dont personally think they should be judged for doing it.



Those same woman traveled in cars without car seats for their children, does that mean its ok to do that in this day and age? Also those same woman come from a generation of mothers and doctors who believed it was ok to take many medications, smoke and drink during pregnancy, and many children suffered due to birth defects, and many other medical issues through out their lives. Does that make it ok to do those things now a days? I dont think anyone here is judging aonyone for what parents did in the past, but to do those same dangerous things today, with all the education, studies, there is no excuse to endanger your child.

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Deanna - posted on 04/23/2009

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Quoting Michelle:



Quoting Rebecca:

Mum gave us brandy on our dummies when we were teething and this is the only time I'm ever going to post it, but I'm pretty smart... I skipped two grades. She also drank during pregnancy. And even worse always gave me a sip of her drinks growing up. While I definitely didn't drink at all during pregnancy and now may have a 1/2 glass of good wine for a special occasion while I BF, I grew up to be a very responsible drinker. Because alcohol was never banned I never went behind my parents back to get it and have never been "wasted" unlike ALL of my friends. I don't believe that a dip on a dummy or a sip for an older child will hurt them otherwise our parents would never have done it. This said I only have cocktail mixers in the house so will prob use Bonjela for teething, not Midouri, hehe. :)





Hi Rebecca, firstly want to say not picking on you here, just using your post as quote because you mentioned it - it was a great post :)






But this raises an interesting issue - Bonjela.  I am not aware of the news in the US today but today in the UK it has been splashed all over the news that Bonjela contains salicylic salts which are also known as aspirin.  Aspirin can cause, rarely, a nasty condition in children called Reyes disease which can, I believe, be fatal.






So, we should be using modern medications instead of more old-fashinoned methods because they are safer should we?






The truth is that we don't always fully realise the risks.  People were using aspirin for children for years before the information about Reyes disease emerged and so we always carry an inherent risk whatever we give to our children.






I give my baby calprofen for when he's teething but I understand that there is a risk in doing so, and I suspect that a tiny bit of alcohol rubbed onto the baby's gums or on a dummy will carry a similar level of risk.





Also on the note of modern teething medications, I would like to point out that an active ingredient in many sold in the U.S. is Belladona (also known as deadly nightshade).  Just a little something extra to think about.  Any kind of medication that we give our children will contain some risk.  Even if they're considered safe today, what about after 10-20 more years of testing?  Aside from opinions, I haven't heard any conclusive evidence that "dipping" a binkie or rubbing gums with alcohol has any proven negative effects.  However, I do not believe that children should be given alcoholic beverages (not even in sips).  My parents let me have that occassional sip of a wine cooler, but it's not something I would let my children do.



 























BELLADONA, DEADLY NITIGHTSHADE

Atropa belladonna
(Solanaceae)

HISTORY and USES

Deadly nightshade is native to Europe, western Asia and northern Africa. Herba bella dona, or "herb of the beautiful lady" is known for its poisonous effects (belladonna increases heartbeat and can lead to death), like many other plants it is an important and beneficial remedy when used correctly. Belladonna contains atropine used in conventional medicine to dilate the pupils for eye examinations and as an anesthetic. In herbal medicine, deadly nightshade is mainly prescribed to relieve intestinal colic, to treat peptic ulcers and to relax distended organs, especially the stomach and intestine. Deadly nightshade is also used as an anaesthetic in conventional medicine.

MAIN PROPERTIES: Smooth muscle, antispasmodic, narcotic, reduces sweating, sedative.




 



 

Jennifer - posted on 04/23/2009

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Quoting Angela:



Quoting Melissa:




Quoting Melissa:

i just meant for a taste my cousin has 6 kids and whenever im there keeps on putting wine or bourbon or baileys on her dummy. i have heard of it a bit so was just wondering i suppose.








IF you want it for taste use bm or formula. Why jump to alcohol? Then expect no one to have negative comments that like saying here let me slap you but dont hit me back. Alcohol was used a long time ago when we had nothing esle I would never put it on my childs gums for taste well for one alcohol  shouldnt taste very good to a child








NO ALCOHOL WHILE PREGNANTbut  that is just what we are taught here in Canada








I dont drink while I breast feed nor do I know anyone else that does. We breast feed to give our child the best start why add ANY alcohol to this perfect food for them








If you cant quit drinking for your pregnancy or to breast feed GO TO AADAC!!!!








Its only one of the many sacrifices you should make as a mom








 








 








When I read your post in the other topic of youd choose your spouse over your child in a death situation because he puts food on the table and pays the bills I was disgusted AND angry now I am just sad for your baby! I see what kind of knowledge or lack of you really have.









In Australia we have Centrelink payments from the government to care for our children.  If anything happens to your husband you are still perfectly capable of taking care of your children.  Even without government assistance there are these things called JOBS that a lot of people have.  To save your spouse over your child because he puts food in YOUR stomach and pays YOUR bills so that you don't have to?  Get a job, put food on your own table,  pay your own bills.  Adults can help themselves in life and death situations and if they can't then they have the ability to reason that children are incapable of helping themselves.  Any adult who expects help before a child is just plain selfish.  This says that they love themselves and thier spouse more than thier children and if this is true; stay childless.  Why do we have to love one more than another?  Why can't we love spouses and children equally?  Is society that broken that we ignore even the most basic needs and can't see that it is possible to love in equal amounts but under different categories (love for a spouse/love for a child)?



 



 



I think this is absolutely horrible!! I lost my son almost 2 yrs ago when he was 1 1/2 yrs old and it was and still is the most painful thing imaginable. I love my husband dearly, but I would have been able to cope better losing him than my son. You have a connection with your children that you will never have with anyone else. I am disgusted with this!





 

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i dont think its right to put alchohol on a babies dummy! Alchohol is so accepted in our society as a way to "have fun", especially in my age group. Its scary how I cant seem to go out and have a good time unless I drink. I wont be exposing it to my youngest son until he is at least four or five, as a tiny "taste". Im sure that will be enough to scare him off it for a while, as it has done with my eldest boy who has tried one tiny sip of bourbon and coke, and one tiny sip of wine. He doesnt like it, and has not gone near another "adult" drink again. Hopefully once he is 13 or 14 we can have "a", ie one, drink together to show him what its like. I hate to think of the dangers regarding drinking and drugs when my children grow up. I remember rebelling against my mum, and getting sooooo pissed. Im glad i had good friends who helped me home, and not just once.



Scary stuff.

Mel - posted on 04/23/2009

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am having trouble with my net so not sure if this posted so im trying again - Amanda. doctors would know more than the internet you cant believe anything you read on there. i would accept peoples opinions and stop trying to change thier minds. its ridiculous. it is their choice to do so.

Amanda - posted on 04/23/2009

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I have tried being nice but you are obviously a dumb ass.
NO AMOUNT IS SAFE. SEE THE FOLLOWING LINKS AND PASS THEM TO YOUR RETARDED DOCTOR TO

http://www.aadac.com/547_1189.asp
http://www.babycenter.ca/pregnancy/nutri...
www.alcoholfreepregnancy.ca/eng/index.html - 8k -
www.health.gov.sk.ca/alcohol-pregnancy-questions - 18k -
www.motherisk.org/ - 25k -
alcoholism.about.com/od/preg/Pregnancy_and_Drinking.htm - 28k -
www.camh.net/About_Addiction_Mental_Health/Drug_and_Addiction.../Women...Alcohol/pregnancy_breastfeed.html - 25k -

AND I CAN FIND 1000 MORE WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
A WORLD OF RESOURCES RIGHT AT YOUR FINGERTIPS
READ THEM ALL AND BECOME EDUCATED BEFORE YOU GET PREGNANT AND CREATE A CHILD WITH FAS!!!
http://www.aadac.com/547_1189.asp

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While I was pregnant with my twins I lived in the UK and my midwife and OB both told me one unit which for the most part is less than one bottle of beer is ok every once in a while. And with my lil baby I was told to have a wine spritzer or similar to help me relax when I am having braxton hicks

Mrs_gp79 - posted on 04/23/2009

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i had a taste for wine when i was pregnant and my doctor told me that an occasional glass of wine is ok when you are pregnant but thats all.

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No its not Amanda aspiration has nothing to do with alcohol during pregnancy considering that is never one of the questions they asked me while trying to treat my daughter no i do not nothing causes aspiration it just happens and my daughter is perfectly healthy now the only reason she has a NG tube is because she doesnt know how to drink or eat.

Mel - posted on 04/23/2009

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oh another thing i drank heavy before knowing I was pregnant and did not find out til almost 8 weeks :) it is a mothers choice on whether to drink however do not agree with drinking large amount or smoking alot while pregnant that said I know people who do it.

Angela - join the club i grew up feeling unloved too i was physically and sexually abused.

Amanda - posted on 04/23/2009

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Quoting Melissa:

Thankyou to those who have contributed great things to this conversation :) Sophie your right it is funny to see some peoples views. the person who told me to get a job i look after my daughter full time who cannot go into child care so how can i get a job love? once again thank you to everybody. most people drink on occasion while pregnant. my mum is the most responsible mother and she offered me a cruiser or a wine while pregnant when we visited her so no harm my daughter is fine she has no FAS from an occasional drink while pregnant lol. even though i know it does no harm I felt guilty drinking sometime and would have wine and half lemonade and only drink a quarter glass lol. anyway thanks for all the responses that were sensible and mature all.


do you think perhaps maybe the reason your child is handicapped is because you drank while you were pregnant? just throwing that out there.



and again most dont drink while pregnant

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Thankyou to those who have contributed great things to this conversation :) Sophie your right it is funny to see some peoples views. the person who told me to get a job i look after my daughter full time who cannot go into child care so how can i get a job love? once again thank you to everybody. most people drink on occasion while pregnant. my mum is the most responsible mother and she offered me a cruiser or a wine while pregnant when we visited her so no harm my daughter is fine she has no FAS from an occasional drink while pregnant lol. even though i know it does no harm I felt guilty drinking sometime and would have wine and half lemonade and only drink a quarter glass lol. anyway thanks for all the responses that were sensible and mature all.

Amanda - posted on 04/23/2009

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Melissa Donnelly you are way out of line. I am urging you to please seek some parenting help. I do not know how someone becomes so uninformed about everything. This is sick, I am very worried for your child. Please seek help

Mel - posted on 04/23/2009

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Quoting Angela:



Quoting Melissa:

Thanks Sarah and others yeah def not all the time just every now and then. and amanda everybody knows you can drink in moderation while pregnant doesnt take a genius to figure that out and considering youre only commenting because you dont like me dont bother commenting at all. Thanks Melissa I will be careful =)





How do you get that Amanda doesn't like you from her comment?  She only pointed out that alcohol for infants is not a good idea, and there is plenty of research to support her post.  If you only wanted positive comments to make you feel better about your choices then here was not the place to ask.  There is no room for paranoia about judgements in a public forum.  You opened a can of worms.  You have to expect controversy.  Don't pay Amanda out because she draws attention to a societal ignorance about alcohol and infants.  She made no personal attack, and was quite eloquent in her posting.





 



Angela get your facts right before u have a go at someone i know Amanda dis like me due to previous posts from other conversations so until you know what your talking about dont butt in. someone asked for opinions and I gave mine and she did not like it. Also i think child protection have better things to worry about LIKE CHILDNREN THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN DANGER rather then sonebody who has too much time on thier hands obviously bored and trying to start problems. go play with your kids and get out more if all you can do is insult others on here. my daughter spends enough time in hospital so i am sure if i was doing something wrong by my child they would have reported me by now lol. you got issues lady. i would suggest not coming on this site if you cant write anything nice.

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Quoting Melissa:



Quoting Melissa:

i just meant for a taste my cousin has 6 kids and whenever im there keeps on putting wine or bourbon or baileys on her dummy. i have heard of it a bit so was just wondering i suppose.






IF you want it for taste use bm or formula. Why jump to alcohol? Then expect no one to have negative comments that like saying here let me slap you but dont hit me back. Alcohol was used a long time ago when we had nothing esle I would never put it on my childs gums for taste well for one alcohol  shouldnt taste very good to a child






NO ALCOHOL WHILE PREGNANTbut  that is just what we are taught here in Canada






I dont drink while I breast feed nor do I know anyone else that does. We breast feed to give our child the best start why add ANY alcohol to this perfect food for them






If you cant quit drinking for your pregnancy or to breast feed GO TO AADAC!!!!






Its only one of the many sacrifices you should make as a mom






 






 






When I read your post in the other topic of youd choose your spouse over your child in a death situation because he puts food on the table and pays the bills I was disgusted AND angry now I am just sad for your baby! I see what kind of knowledge or lack of you really have.



 



Your sick Melissa its called your partner is with you for life your kids grow up and move on your partner will always be your partner. if you cannot learn to respect others opinions you should not be on this site and as i sadi yesterday MOVE ON ALREADY. stop bringing up old shit to try and get a rise out of others. and alochol and breast feeding is ok in moderation as other people have said and this comes from doctors! a couple drinks a week as long as no more then 2 at a time does no harm and if anything will make baby a little tired if you have too much. this is from professionals Melissa so dont argue the point. if you cannot say anything nice do not say anything at all. I feel sorry for your children growing up with some body like you.





 

Angela - posted on 04/23/2009

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your the mother and you should do whatever you feel is right. i think if you know right from wrong and exercise a little commonsense then everything should be fine:)
funny reading what people have to say!!!


A lot of parents know right from wrong and choose not to exercise it.  What is commonsense for one is often not for another.  My dad thought giving your children a belting was okay.  I grew up believing I was not loved.  On this topic facts must be researched and advise from health care professionals must be sought.  Our children deserve the very best we can offer them.  They need our protection from harm.  Doing whatever we feel is right is not always the best choice.  Uninformed choices can have disastrous consequences.  Ethics, morals and standards are not easy topics to discuss.

Amanda - posted on 04/23/2009

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Quoting Angela:



Quoting Rebecca:

Mum gave us brandy on our dummies when we were teething and this is the only time I'm ever going to post it, but I'm pretty smart... I skipped two grades. She also drank during pregnancy. And even worse always gave me a sip of her drinks growing up. While I definitely didn't drink at all during pregnancy and now may have a 1/2 glass of good wine for a special occasion while I BF, I grew up to be a very responsible drinker. Because alcohol was never banned I never went behind my parents back to get it and have never been "wasted" unlike ALL of my friends. I don't believe that a dip on a dummy or a sip for an older child will hurt them otherwise our parents would never have done it. This said I only have cocktail mixers in the house so will prob use Bonjela for teething, not Midouri, hehe. :)





Rebecca makes a good point about becoming a responsible drinker but this is only appropriate for OLDER children.  My mum let me 'taste' every alcoholic drink she had (she was a social drinker) when I was young but I was over 5.  They didn't have laws back then about under 12's.  Consequently I never felt the urge to experiment when I was a teen or into adulthood.  Many of my high school friends were sneaking alcohol and getting wasted but I didn't see the point.  If I wanted to try a sip all I had to do was ask my mum.  Now, at 34 I only drink socially and even then in moderation.  I still breast feed my baby at the moment though so I don't drink alcohol at all.  That's a personal choice on my part.  For alcohol on dummies, drinking during pregnancy and Rebecca being smart, she doesn't say how much her mum drank during pregnancy.  While there is no 'safe' amount, there would be a huge difference between drinking once or twice and drinking like a fish surely?  I would still have to say that Rebecca had luck on her side.  Drinking during pregnancy and alcohol for babies, even a tiny amount on a dummy can be fatal to infants.  In Australia alcohol to 'taste' for babies is illegal, and mandatory notification is morally and sometimes legally required.  Even if you were uninformed and didn't know (like my husband was) child protective services won't care.  Now that he does know my husband will never again give our baby a 'sip' of beer.  He felt horrible when he learnt how detrimental it can be.  To be armed with so much information on the effects of even small doses of alcohol on infants and to disregard that information is simply neglectful.  That's not an opion or a judgement, that's how child protective services sees it.  It's against the law, no discussion necessary.





thank you for this post, a friend and I were wondering about the leaglities of this in austrailia, now we know!

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your the mother and you should do whatever you feel is right. i think if you know right from wrong and exercise a little commonsense then everything should be fine:)
funny reading what people have to say!!!

Amanda - posted on 04/23/2009

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Quoting Crystal:



Quoting Amanda:




Quoting Melissa:

Thanks Sarah and others yeah def not all the time just every now and then. and amanda everybody knows you can drink in moderation while pregnant doesnt take a genius to figure that out and considering youre only commenting because you dont like me dont bother commenting at all. Thanks Melissa I will be careful =)








I dont know anyone who drniks during pregnancy. this has to be the most irresponsible and most stupid thing you can do.








it does not take a genius to figure out that drinking during pregnancy in any amount is dangerous and can cause FASD.








I am going to assume that you drank during your pregnancy and this is why you think it is ok. Do doctors recomend drinking during pregnancy in australia because I know in the rest of the modern world EVERYONE knows that it is bad for the fetus and causes FASD.








you just seem to be such an uninformed mom and it really makes me worry for your childs safety.








I know that here in canada if we know of someone who does the types of things that I have read about in many of your posts it would be our moral obligation to cantact child protective services.








I would be careful if I were you about what you post on here because there just may be somone from your neck of the woods that will rat you out for the safety of your daughter (who you should be extra careful which since she is special needs tp begin with)








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I completely agree. You go talk to kids, teenagers, grown ups that suffer from FAS and the like and ask them how their life is because their mom couldn't stop drinking for NINE months. Nine months isn't a lifetime and drinking is not necessary for day to day life. C'mon no one is saying to turn into a nun when you become pregnant but being  a parent is about sacrifice.






As for the drinking while breastfeeding, even if you have one drink, some stlll does get into the breastmilk and it doesn't just "go away". The milk stays in your breast until you pump it out. I breastfed my older daughter and drank zero alcohol for the 16 months, my baby is 9 months and I have ocassionally  had a drink BUT I've also pumped after.






 






Nowhere in the original post did I see that the mom was doing this for teething pain. It was only stated that it was to let the baby taste. So what's next? Wanna see what they think of weed...Puff away on a joint and blow it in the kids face! That'll really get the baby ready to experience all the necessary "joys" in life at a young age!! (Major sarcasm there in case no one caught it!)






sometimes I wonder what cave people crawled out of. That is so true about the dope, the type of mom who thinks it is funny and cute to let an infant drink beer is the same type of mom who smokes dope with their kids when they are 12. Why the hell would anyone want that for their kid?   I know i want mine to grow up healthy, loving themselves with good values and get a good education





 





 

Amanda - posted on 04/23/2009

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Quoting Crystal:



Quoting Amanda:




Quoting Melissa:

Thanks Sarah and others yeah def not all the time just every now and then. and amanda everybody knows you can drink in moderation while pregnant doesnt take a genius to figure that out and considering youre only commenting because you dont like me dont bother commenting at all. Thanks Melissa I will be careful =)








I dont know anyone who drniks during pregnancy. this has to be the most irresponsible and most stupid thing you can do.








it does not take a genius to figure out that drinking during pregnancy in any amount is dangerous and can cause FASD.








I am going to assume that you drank during your pregnancy and this is why you think it is ok. Do doctors recomend drinking during pregnancy in australia because I know in the rest of the modern world EVERYONE knows that it is bad for the fetus and causes FASD.








you just seem to be such an uninformed mom and it really makes me worry for your childs safety.








I know that here in canada if we know of someone who does the types of things that I have read about in many of your posts it would be our moral obligation to cantact child protective services.








I would be careful if I were you about what you post on here because there just may be somone from your neck of the woods that will rat you out for the safety of your daughter (who you should be extra careful which since she is special needs tp begin with)








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I completely agree. You go talk to kids, teenagers, grown ups that suffer from FAS and the like and ask them how their life is because their mom couldn't stop drinking for NINE months. Nine months isn't a lifetime and drinking is not necessary for day to day life. C'mon no one is saying to turn into a nun when you become pregnant but being  a parent is about sacrifice.






As for the drinking while breastfeeding, even if you have one drink, some stlll does get into the breastmilk and it doesn't just "go away". The milk stays in your breast until you pump it out. I breastfed my older daughter and drank zero alcohol for the 16 months, my baby is 9 months and I have ocassionally  had a drink BUT I've also pumped after.






 






Nowhere in the original post did I see that the mom was doing this for teething pain. It was only stated that it was to let the baby taste. So what's next? Wanna see what they think of weed...Puff away on a joint and blow it in the kids face! That'll really get the baby ready to experience all the necessary "joys" in life at a young age!! (Major sarcasm there in case no one caught it!)






sometimes I wonder what cave people crawled out of. That is so true about the dope, the type of mom who thinks it is funny and cute to let an infant drink beer is the same type of mom who smokes dope with their kids when they are 12. Why the hell would anyone want that for their kid?   I know i want mine to grow up healthy, loving themselves with good values and get a good education





 





 

Amanda - posted on 04/23/2009

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Quoting Trudy:

I don't think that it is okay to give alcohol under any circumstances and certainly not for "a taste". I am not sure why your baby needs a taste of alcohol? To the poster who said there is more alcohol in cough syrup.. here in North America there is no cough syrup for children younger than two... they pulled it all.


God am I ever thankful that we live in North America.



At least we can proudly say that the products we purchase for our children (so long as they are produced here) are safe and we do not need to worry about things like BPA in baby bottels and stuff like that. I was so happy that here in canada they banned all plastic baby bottles containing BPA.



After that I swithed toys as well, only organic  cotton, wood and green toys for mine

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Quoting Joy:

Is Bonjela like Baby Oragel? Just wondering because I've never heard of it...I just have been assuming it's some kind of oral teething reliever?



its a teething gel. reading the tube is says contains alcohol an saccharin.

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Is Bonjela like Baby Oragel? Just wondering because I've never heard of it...I just have been assuming it's some kind of oral teething reliever?

Melissa - posted on 04/23/2009

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Quoting Trudy:

I don't think that it is okay to give alcohol under any circumstances and certainly not for "a taste". I am not sure why your baby needs a taste of alcohol? To the poster who said there is more alcohol in cough syrup.. here in North America there is no cough syrup for children younger than two... they pulled it all.



I have been wondering the same thing it is beyond me why someone would  want to introduce  that kind of  stuff  to there baby. There is so many better things to be letting them taste. Like food We dont have alcohol in our medicines either

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Quoting Ally:



Quoting Melissa:




Quoting Melissa:

i just meant for a taste my cousin has 6 kids and whenever im there keeps on putting wine or bourbon or baileys on her dummy. i have heard of it a bit so was just wondering i suppose.








IF you want it for taste use bm or formula. Why jump to alcohol? Then expect no one to have negative comments that like saying here let me slap you but dont hit me back. Alcohol was used a long time ago when we had nothing esle I would never put it on my childs gums for taste well for one alcohol  shouldnt taste very good to a child








NO ALCOHOL WHILE PREGNANTbut  that is just what we are taught here in Canada








I dont drink while I breast feed nor do I know anyone else that does. We breast feed to give our child the best start why add ANY alcohol to this perfect food for them








If you cant quit drinking for your pregnancy or to breast feed GO TO AADAC!!!!








Its only one of the many sacrifices you should make as a mom








 








 








When I read your post in the other topic of youd choose your spouse over your child in a death situation because he puts food on the table and pays the bills I was disgusted AND angry now I am just sad for your baby! I see what kind of knowledge or lack of you really have.









After reading your opinion on mothers who choose to have an occasional drink while breastfeeding I would have to say you are pretty misinformed. The american academy of pediatrics considers alcohol in small amounts to be a medication compatible with breastfeeding as does the la leche league which states if you are sober enough to drive you should be sober enough to breastfeed. Ihave yet to meet a health professional who says the occasional drink (1-2/week) is a bad idea and im a nurse so I work with lots of doctors. It takes about 2 hours for the average sized woman to process 1 alcoholic beverage (6oz wine /8 oz beer) so if you feed your baby and have a drink right after that they most likely wont get any as it will be out of your system by the next feeding, There is also a myth  that you would have to pump and dump if you had a drink while at dinner or something but that is not true either. Moms who want to go out and responsibly enjoy AN alcoholic beverage every now and then should be encouraged to do so and by no means does it make them an alcoholic...gimme a break.






one of my favorite quotes on this subject:






 






Dr. Jack Newman, member of the La Leche League International Health Advisory Council, says this in his handout "More Breastfeeding Myths":






Reasonable alcohol intake should not be discouraged at all. As is the case with most drugs, very little alcohol comes out in the milk. The mother can take some alcohol and continue breastfeeding as she normally does. Prohibiting alcohol is another way we make life unnecessarily restrictive for nursing mothers.





http://www.kellymom.com/health/lifestyle...






http://www.askdrsears.com/faq/bf17.asp






http://www.llli.org/FAQ/alcohol.html






no I do know you are right I just choose not to drink and breastfeed I just think you shouldnt drink all the time  or get loaded i explained myself wrong I do feel we should be responsible about it

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Hey Michelle,
Wow what a shocker, humble little bonjela... See goes to show absolutely everything we seem to know is wrong. I've never heard of any other brands. My 11 week old is starting to teethe, but I haven't used anything to help him since he seems to be coping. I've had bonjela since a baby and then as a child for ulcers. I will hunt around for something else... thanks! Oh I'm also glad bonjela is universal and people didn't think it was a cocktail mixer.
I also love Ally for doing the research on breast feeding and alcohol, I also found out the same stuff before even taking a sip after my son was born as well as talking to my doc. I would have continued to go without if I thought there was something wrong with it. I feel sorry for my doctor I consult him about everything, he may as well move in with us.

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Here in New Zealand it is frowned upon drinking whilest pregnant, although I have read in a few medical books that 1 glass of wine a night is okay.



I have never heard of putting alcohol on a baby's dummy. Although if I was to ever try it I would seek a health care provider's opinion first.



In regards to children drinking alcohol, I remember when my brother was 2-3, we went to a family party, in the evening, my brother went around all the unfinished glasses and drank what was left. Woke up the next morning with a hangover, said to my Mum "mummy I don't feel soo good" went and threw up.



Also I remember a few years back, it was on the news that one mother consumed alot of drugs during her pregnancy, once her baby was born it was addicted to drugs. The only way she could get her child to sleep was by blowing drugs in the baby's face. Needles to say that child was removed from her care.

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Quoting Rebecca:

Mum gave us brandy on our dummies when we were teething and this is the only time I'm ever going to post it, but I'm pretty smart... I skipped two grades. She also drank during pregnancy. And even worse always gave me a sip of her drinks growing up. While I definitely didn't drink at all during pregnancy and now may have a 1/2 glass of good wine for a special occasion while I BF, I grew up to be a very responsible drinker. Because alcohol was never banned I never went behind my parents back to get it and have never been "wasted" unlike ALL of my friends. I don't believe that a dip on a dummy or a sip for an older child will hurt them otherwise our parents would never have done it. This said I only have cocktail mixers in the house so will prob use Bonjela for teething, not Midouri, hehe. :)


Hi Rebecca, firstly want to say not picking on you here, just using your post as quote because you mentioned it - it was a great post :)



But this raises an interesting issue - Bonjela.  I am not aware of the news in the US today but today in the UK it has been splashed all over the news that Bonjela contains salicylic salts which are also known as aspirin.  Aspirin can cause, rarely, a nasty condition in children called Reyes disease which can, I believe, be fatal.



So, we should be using modern medications instead of more old-fashinoned methods because they are safer should we?



The truth is that we don't always fully realise the risks.  People were using aspirin for children for years before the information about Reyes disease emerged and so we always carry an inherent risk whatever we give to our children.



I give my baby calprofen for when he's teething but I understand that there is a risk in doing so, and I suspect that a tiny bit of alcohol rubbed onto the baby's gums or on a dummy will carry a similar level of risk.

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I don't think that it is okay to give alcohol under any circumstances and certainly not for "a taste". I am not sure why your baby needs a taste of alcohol? To the poster who said there is more alcohol in cough syrup.. here in North America there is no cough syrup for children younger than two... they pulled it all.

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Quoting Melissa:



Quoting Melissa:

i just meant for a taste my cousin has 6 kids and whenever im there keeps on putting wine or bourbon or baileys on her dummy. i have heard of it a bit so was just wondering i suppose.






IF you want it for taste use bm or formula. Why jump to alcohol? Then expect no one to have negative comments that like saying here let me slap you but dont hit me back. Alcohol was used a long time ago when we had nothing esle I would never put it on my childs gums for taste well for one alcohol  shouldnt taste very good to a child






NO ALCOHOL WHILE PREGNANTbut  that is just what we are taught here in Canada






I dont drink while I breast feed nor do I know anyone else that does. We breast feed to give our child the best start why add ANY alcohol to this perfect food for them






If you cant quit drinking for your pregnancy or to breast feed GO TO AADAC!!!!






Its only one of the many sacrifices you should make as a mom






 






 






When I read your post in the other topic of youd choose your spouse over your child in a death situation because he puts food on the table and pays the bills I was disgusted AND angry now I am just sad for your baby! I see what kind of knowledge or lack of you really have.





After reading your opinion on mothers who choose to have an occasional drink while breastfeeding I would have to say you are pretty misinformed. The american academy of pediatrics considers alcohol in small amounts to be a medication compatible with breastfeeding as does the la leche league which states if you are sober enough to drive you should be sober enough to breastfeed. Ihave yet to meet a health professional who says the occasional drink (1-2/week) is a bad idea and im a nurse so I work with lots of doctors. It takes about 2 hours for the average sized woman to process 1 alcoholic beverage (6oz wine /8 oz beer) so if you feed your baby and have a drink right after that they most likely wont get any as it will be out of your system by the next feeding, There is also a myth  that you would have to pump and dump if you had a drink while at dinner or something but that is not true either. Moms who want to go out and responsibly enjoy AN alcoholic beverage every now and then should be encouraged to do so and by no means does it make them an alcoholic...gimme a break.



one of my favorite quotes on this subject:



 



Dr. Jack Newman, member of the La Leche League International Health Advisory Council, says this in his handout "More Breastfeeding Myths":



Reasonable alcohol intake should not be discouraged at all. As is the case with most drugs, very little alcohol comes out in the milk. The mother can take some alcohol and continue breastfeeding as she normally does. Prohibiting alcohol is another way we make life unnecessarily restrictive for nursing mothers.


http://www.kellymom.com/health/lifestyle...



http://www.askdrsears.com/faq/bf17.asp



http://www.llli.org/FAQ/alcohol.html

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I've heard of people doing that to help with teething (it numbs the gums), but I have not and would not do it myself. Hope I helped.

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Quoting Melissa:

Thanks Sarah and others yeah def not all the time just every now and then. and amanda everybody knows you can drink in moderation while pregnant doesnt take a genius to figure that out and considering youre only commenting because you dont like me dont bother commenting at all. Thanks Melissa I will be careful =)






I dont know anyone who drniks during pregnancy. this has to be the most irresponsible and most stupid thing you can do.






it does not take a genius to figure out that drinking during pregnancy in any amount is dangerous and can cause FASD.






I am going to assume that you drank during your pregnancy and this is why you think it is ok. Do doctors recomend drinking during pregnancy in australia because I know in the rest of the modern world EVERYONE knows that it is bad for the fetus and causes FASD.






you just seem to be such an uninformed mom and it really makes me worry for your childs safety.






I know that here in canada if we know of someone who does the types of things that I have read about in many of your posts it would be our moral obligation to cantact child protective services.






I would be careful if I were you about what you post on here because there just may be somone from your neck of the woods that will rat you out for the safety of your daughter (who you should be extra careful which since she is special needs tp begin with)






just a thought thoughI



 



I completely agree. You go talk to kids, teenagers, grown ups that suffer from FAS and the like and ask them how their life is because their mom couldn't stop drinking for NINE months. Nine months isn't a lifetime and drinking is not necessary for day to day life. C'mon no one is saying to turn into a nun when you become pregnant but being  a parent is about sacrifice.



As for the drinking while breastfeeding, even if you have one drink, some stlll does get into the breastmilk and it doesn't just "go away". The milk stays in your breast until you pump it out. I breastfed my older daughter and drank zero alcohol for the 16 months, my baby is 9 months and I have ocassionally  had a drink BUT I've also pumped after.



 



Nowhere in the original post did I see that the mom was doing this for teething pain. It was only stated that it was to let the baby taste. So what's next? Wanna see what they think of weed...Puff away on a joint and blow it in the kids face! That'll really get the baby ready to experience all the necessary "joys" in life at a young age!! (Major sarcasm there in case no one caught it!)





 

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Mum gave us brandy on our dummies when we were teething and this is the only time I'm ever going to post it, but I'm pretty smart... I skipped two grades. She also drank during pregnancy. And even worse always gave me a sip of her drinks growing up. While I definitely didn't drink at all during pregnancy and now may have a 1/2 glass of good wine for a special occasion while I BF, I grew up to be a very responsible drinker. Because alcohol was never banned I never went behind my parents back to get it and have never been "wasted" unlike ALL of my friends. I don't believe that a dip on a dummy or a sip for an older child will hurt them otherwise our parents would never have done it. This said I only have cocktail mixers in the house so will prob use Bonjela for teething, not Midouri, hehe. :)

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Wow! I have read some very differing opinions. This topic stood out to me because I recently heard parts of a documentary on our local talk radio station about FASD (Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder). The doctor being interviewed said they don't know how much, if any, alcohol during pregnancy is safe. The brain of an FASD baby is formed abnormally because of the alcohol and only a pregnant woman who drinks is at risk for having a FASD baby. These babies have all kinds of problems and it is really sad. I don't think any amount of alcohol for a baby is safe. Why risk it? There are lots of other methods available to soothe a baby in pain. Infant's Tylenol is a good option for bedtime and for more immediate relief a teething ring that's been in the fridge is good.

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Oh for the love of Pete. There is more alcohol in cough medicine than you could rub on a child's gums. Giving a child alcohol just for a taste is kind of...well...why would you do that? A lot of moms (myself included) have used a little bit of bourbon on a cotton swab and rubbed it on their gums. It has a natural numbing ability and it isn't enough to get a child anywhere NEAR drunk. My favorite thing to do when my daughter was teething was to pour a shot of whiskey, dip the q-tip in it, rub that on my daughter's gums and then do the shot. Made life a lot easier for everybody.

So, to sum it up: Don't give your kid alcohol just to give them a taste. That's totally pointless and (to me) kinda stupid. But, using a little bit as a topical analgesic is usually okay. Talk to your health care provider.

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Quoting Melissa:

i just meant for a taste my cousin has 6 kids and whenever im there keeps on putting wine or bourbon or baileys on her dummy. i have heard of it a bit so was just wondering i suppose.



IF you want it for taste use bm or formula. Why jump to alcohol? Then expect no one to have negative comments that like saying here let me slap you but dont hit me back. Alcohol was used a long time ago when we had nothing esle I would never put it on my childs gums for taste well for one alcohol  shouldnt taste very good to a child



NO ALCOHOL WHILE PREGNANTbut  that is just what we are taught here in Canada



I dont drink while I breast feed nor do I know anyone else that does. We breast feed to give our child the best start why add ANY alcohol to this perfect food for them



If you cant quit drinking for your pregnancy or to breast feed GO TO AADAC!!!!



Its only one of the many sacrifices you should make as a mom



 



 



When I read your post in the other topic of youd choose your spouse over your child in a death situation because he puts food on the table and pays the bills I was disgusted AND angry now I am just sad for your baby! I see what kind of knowledge or lack of you really have.

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I wouldn't personally give my baby alcohol. A couple hours of rest Vs. possible harm to my child...it doesn't seem like a good trade off to me.

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Quoting Joy:

I knew as soon as I saw this topic last night that it would spark a debate. I tried my best to keep my opinion respectful but honest. After logging in and reading the rest of the posts, I have to say that I don't understand why anyone would think it's ok to give a baby alcohol. Some posters have said that it's a "tried and true" way to ease teething. But there are also other methods that are tried and true and don't involve giving a potentially harmful substance to our babies. Things like a damp frozen wash cloth, gels, tablets, mesh bags with frozen fruit, popcicles, teething rings...the list goes on. If you can afford to buy whiskey, then you can afford to try one of these other safer methods. I know no one is saying that they give their babies alcohol on a regular, daily basis. I'm not judging anyone, but I just don't understand why in this day and age, when we know so much more and have so many other options available, why someone would do this ever. It's one thing to let your older child ask to taste your beer (my mother did this when I was little) but to GIVE it to a baby to me is just not right.
There are a few people that I agree with that I wanted to mention....Sian...I agree that giving alcohol on a paci may just be helping them associate alcohol with comfort and setting them up for future issues. Not that it WILL but it MAY and why take the risk? I also agree with Angela regarding the legal issue. It really doesn't matter if you think it's ok, it's breaking the law and the law won't care about your opinion when they are investigating you for neglect. I don't say this to be rude or harsh, but just as fact. I grew up in foster care and those people are way too overworked to listen to a mothers reason for giving their child alcohol. When they are investigating all they care about are the facts and the fact is that it's illegal (here in the States at least).
One last thing that I want to say is that I can see this sparking into a huge back and forth debate and there is nothing wrong with that. Healthy discussion from opposing sides is always a welcome sight. I just hope this doesn't turn into a witch hunt on either side. I really hope that it can continue to be a respectful conversation (as it so far has been for the most part). We all have strong ideas and opinions, especially when it comes to our children. And I choose to believe that medical science has advanced beyond some of the old wives tales. After all, I read a post awhile back about an old wives tale where this one lady said that to cure constipation in a baby to blow cigarette smoke up the baby's shirt towards his/her face. Ridiculous and appalling right? To me, the alcohol - baby thing is in that same category...everything in me shouts "NO!" Just my opinion though, sorry for rambling.


I think you may feel that way because like me I just see it as stupid and lazy there are so many other thing NOW to use for teething BACK when this wasused there was NOTHING  and with your baby being on feeding tube I comepletely stand by my NO. welcome to 2009

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Quoting Joy:

I knew as soon as I saw this topic last night that it would spark a debate. I tried my best to keep my opinion respectful but honest. After logging in and reading the rest of the posts, I have to say that I don't understand why anyone would think it's ok to give a baby alcohol. Some posters have said that it's a "tried and true" way to ease teething. But there are also other methods that are tried and true and don't involve giving a potentially harmful substance to our babies. Things like a damp frozen wash cloth, gels, tablets, mesh bags with frozen fruit, popcicles, teething rings...the list goes on. If you can afford to buy whiskey, then you can afford to try one of these other safer methods. I know no one is saying that they give their babies alcohol on a regular, daily basis. I'm not judging anyone, but I just don't understand why in this day and age, when we know so much more and have so many other options available, why someone would do this ever. It's one thing to let your older child ask to taste your beer (my mother did this when I was little) but to GIVE it to a baby to me is just not right.
There are a few people that I agree with that I wanted to mention....Sian...I agree that giving alcohol on a paci may just be helping them associate alcohol with comfort and setting them up for future issues. Not that it WILL but it MAY and why take the risk? I also agree with Angela regarding the legal issue. It really doesn't matter if you think it's ok, it's breaking the law and the law won't care about your opinion when they are investigating you for neglect. I don't say this to be rude or harsh, but just as fact. I grew up in foster care and those people are way too overworked to listen to a mothers reason for giving their child alcohol. When they are investigating all they care about are the facts and the fact is that it's illegal (here in the States at least).
One last thing that I want to say is that I can see this sparking into a huge back and forth debate and there is nothing wrong with that. Healthy discussion from opposing sides is always a welcome sight. I just hope this doesn't turn into a witch hunt on either side. I really hope that it can continue to be a respectful conversation (as it so far has been for the most part). We all have strong ideas and opinions, especially when it comes to our children. And I choose to believe that medical science has advanced beyond some of the old wives tales. After all, I read a post awhile back about an old wives tale where this one lady said that to cure constipation in a baby to blow cigarette smoke up the baby's shirt towards his/her face. Ridiculous and appalling right? To me, the alcohol - baby thing is in that same category...everything in me shouts "NO!" Just my opinion though, sorry for rambling.


I think you may feel that way because like me I just see it as stupid and lazy there are so many other thing NOW to use for teething BACK when this wasused there was NOTHING  and with your baby being on feeding tube I comepletely stand by my NO. welcome to 2009

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I would have to vote "no" on giving my child alcohol of any kind in any amount.

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this is a ridiculous question. if you don't want any rude comments or arguements, don't post something that is obviously going to get a rise out of people. I suggest you go to the doctor ask him what he says about it, then go to health and human services and ask them.

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I don't think any amount of alcohol is safe or wise for a baby! Ask a doctor or child services if this is ok, they will tell you no way!

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interesting point Sarah. your right we are all ok when are parents did this for us as kids :) Thankyou for pointing that out. its really interesting for me to see everyones views. i rememeber at my mothers bday drinks last year when my daughter was 8 months the ladys were putting alcohol on her dummy. i asumed it was something that most parents did every now and then. i dont personally think they should be judged for doing it.

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This is an interesting question, that has sparked a good conversation. So thanks for posting this. My 3.5 yr old son has full FASD and let me tell you that most of his life is a battle. His birthmother was under the unfortunate impression that drinking while pregnant won't harm the baby...I am sure my son would tell her differently...as would his many doctors & therapists. How much is safe, at what point do we tell ourselves that we are sacrificing our children's health & brain development for ourselves (inutero) and for maybe a little break from fussiness or teething when they are young. Aren't we really just desensitizing the future generations to the real dangers of irresponsible alcohol consumption? I enjoy a nice glass of wine from time to time, so I am not against drinking however I am passionately pleading for pregnant women & parents to think again about the harmful effects of alcohol on children.

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I don't understand why anyone would do that personally. Even with the 'reasons', I still don't get it. I have a friend that put soda in her son's bottle at 9mo old, and I don't get that either. I have another friend that has dipped her daughter's paci in soda at 2mo old and I don't get that.

Alcohol (and soda) isn't good for adults, much less children... so why give to a baby?

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If the baby is over six months old I don't think a couple drops of alcohol is going to be enough to do any harm. Babies before this age should not ingest any substances besides human milk or formula because their kidneys and digestive tracts can not handle it. Even a little something totally changes the beneficial flora naturally found in a baby's gut. I think alcohol with its sugar and carb content would probably reek havoc. We already know that babies burn alcohol at a much lower rate than adults. I also don't think the minuscule amount of alcohol that could get onto a pacifier could possibly have any affect on teething pain. So, why would one introduce something that could be harmful when the benefits are almost nil. Plus I have no desire to sensitize my baby to the taste of alcohol.

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If you have ever worked with children that suffer from Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder you will soon realize the difficulties they have in various aspects of their lives. These difficulties last a lifetime- so no amount of alcohol is safe while pregnant and when young. Research has proven that alcohol alters the brain development and causes damage that a person has to live and cope with for the rest of their lives. If that could be prevented- would you not do anything possible to stop the damage?

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Im just wondering if you give a baby a dummy to comfort him and put alcohol on it, is it likely that he would then associate alcohol with comfort?

It might be setting up problems for the future.

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