Bill 44 was passed

Jocelyn - posted on 06/02/2009 ( 235 moms have responded )

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I cannot BELIEVE that they passed this god awful bill!

for those of you who don't know, in Canada, this bill was passed yesterday, and it gives parents the right to pull their kids out of class (for a day or more) if there are going to be any discussions involving religion, or sexual topics. the teachers must send out written notice to the parents, or the parents are allowed to file a human rights complaint on the teacher.

i know for me, i will never excuse my kids from class if the topic is going to be "touchy". there are things that imo you NEED to learn about, like evolution, and sex ed, regardless of your religion or whatnot. in order for your kids to make their own decisions in life, they need to be exposed to everything! and what better place than in a classroom, where they can have intellectual debates?!

i can see where they are coming from, when they drafted this bill, giving parents the right to "choose" but i think it should be under Schools Acts instead of Human rights.

and i think if ANYONE has a choice, it should be the kids choice what they care to learn about.

where do you moms stand on this bill?

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It's already this way in the U.S. Personally, I like it because when a letter is sent home about a "touchy" subject that they are going to teach, it gives me a heads up and time to plan how I will address any questions that may come my way as a result of the lesson. I have not taken my son out of class for any of the lessons as of yet, but I really think it is important to give the parents the option or as I said, a heads up.



In second grade, a letter came home stating that as part of the health lesson, they would be talking about drugs and alcohol using something called the BABES program. Pretty benign, right? We said.. OK fine. In reality, they were teaching about drugs, alcohol and abuse (emotional, physical and sexual). When our son came home from school he was pretty much traumatized and we were basically blind-sided by his confusion and resulting questions. The lesson, although it used pretend animal puppet characters, was verbally graphic and scary (we're talking about 7 year olds). Part of the lesson was a child (a bunny character) being abandoned by her drug and alcohol addicted "mother", sexually abused by her "uncle" the mothers boyfriend (also addicted) and physically abused by the "mother" when the child overheard the mother and boyfriend fighting and was upset. The "mother" told her to shut-up and hit her. Needless to say, we were incensed.



The result of this lesson? Our son got upset when my husband decided to have a beer the next day and no longer would allow anyone other than my husband or myself help him with changing his clothes or a bath. Not grandparents and especially not his aunt and uncle (he didn't understand that the "uncle" in the story was not really an uncle). As a military family, we always relied on our extended family for help. Especially for overnight childcare. The program totally confused our son and undermined his trust in his family. It took a lot of love and time to "fix" things.



We went to the school and demanded to see our signiture giving permission to teach our son those lessons. They got around it by saying that it was all part of the drug and alcohol program since it can all be linked together. We pushed and now they have to disclose everything they are teaching in that lesson. As I said, not because we would keep our kids home, but because we have the right to be prepared to address those lessons at home. We probably could have handled the situation a lot better had we been prepared and not in shock ourselves at what our son had been taught that day.

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Perish the thought that parents might actually have a say in whats best for their own kids. If parents are paying tax for the school to exist then they should have the option of excusing their kids from something that goes against their way of life. It's not like they are pushing their view on anyone else or stopping the school from teaching it, they are just making a decision that is right for their child. Perhaps all countries should take a leaf out of Canada's book and let the parents be parents.

Mary - posted on 06/10/2009

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Quoting Laura:



Quoting Alison:

Perish the thought that parents might actually have a say in whats best for their own kids. If parents are paying tax for the school to exist then they should have the option of excusing their kids from something that goes against their way of life. It's not like they are pushing their view on anyone else or stopping the school from teaching it, they are just making a decision that is right for their child. Perhaps all countries should take a leaf out of Canada's book and let the parents be parents.






I TOTALY agree If i am going to raise my child I dont want the schools shoving evolution and gay rights into my childs head!!






While I do think people are entitled to their opinions I don't think this opinion is right at all.......I don't like the comment of "shoving gay rights into my childs head"   Would you rather  teach your child to hate and be one of those people who beat a person to death for being gay?  I don't understand how a person can say they are doing whats best for their child when they are obviously not.....isn't it best for a child to learn about averything there is to learn about?  Isn't it best for a child to learn to undestand others and what they stand for?  isn't is best for a child to see the whole world and everything in it? 



I am sorry but you can agree or dissagree with me if you like that is up to you but I would much rather my child learn about evolution and creationism.....I would much rather my child learn about sex and how to protect themselves.....I would rather my child learn everything they can and make there own decisions based on what they feel is right.  I want my child to love the child sitting next to them wether or not they are gay.  I want my child to understand that just because some crazy people flew a plane into the world trade center that doesn't mean that every single Muslim is bad. 



I am not saying you are a bad parent if you choose to pull your child out of class because of certain subjects it's just that I don't understand it.  I don't understand why you would not want to give your child every chance to learn.....I think children need to know more about life than just math and english and such.  They need to learn about the world around them today.

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I think that is the most ridiculous load of crap I've ever heard. Exposing kids to new things --including new ideas and new ways of thinking is the POINT of school. Then, they go home and ask "why" to whoever and...the learning continues. this is pure idiocy.

Erin - posted on 06/10/2009

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So sick of all this pussyfooting around. You send your kids to school to get an education and to help them become informed individuals/ Since when should any curriculum be censored by religion? Thats why you have discussions with your children as a family, rather than sheltering them from anything that doesn't subscribe to your school of thought or form of worship. Once more the voices of a few drown out the rest of us, not to mention common sense in general. This bill is a crock.

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Angela - posted on 07/30/2013

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I'm British. When we were going to get a Sex Education movie at school, a letter was sent out to parents inviting them to watch the movie first at a Parents' Evening about 2 months before we were going to be shown the movie in class. This was a lot of years ago and the movie was very "tame"!!

Now, with anything where the parents have the right to opt their children out, what do you think happens during recess time when the kids who've had the instruction meet up with the kids who were opted out and didn't attend? They talk!

I'd personally far rather have my kids hear it in the lesson than 2nd hand from their classmates.

April - posted on 06/26/2009

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On one hand, I want my child to be exposed to as many different ideas and views of the world as possible, so we can discuss them, and she can choose her own path. On the other hand, I have been completely blindsided by some of the religious stuff she has come home with from her private pre-K. I don't have a problem with her being there when they are discussing such topics in class, but I would like to have been told about them ahead of time. I appreciate that the new bill would give parents a heads up. (Although I am not Canadian), I would really like to know what is going to be said to my daughter, so that when she comes home with questions, I can better discuss them with her. Luckily, I mentioned this to the teacher, and they have been very cooperative.

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I think as long as the children are under age parents have to make the best choices they can. I think there are so many different ideals out there, that no one is going to like any bill that is passed 100% and they have to compromise the best they can, giving the parents the right to know before hand so they can make a choice that best fits their family is a good balance. I for one wanted to be the one who taught my boys about sex first...talking about it in school later is ok with me but I was glad to be the one who started this touchy subject with open communication. As for religion...that's another big subject..for me I still believe we are all talking to the one same God, but that is my own thoughts...I can't speak for someone else, nor will I stomp on their rights. Just like I'd fight for mine... It's easy to talk about everyone having the right to their own voice...but it's hard to listen to it.....

Jocelyn - posted on 06/18/2009

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Quoting Constance:

Well I am a parent... And I am a human. So I think that it is a human rights issue. So how do you feel about the Britain signing the UN treaty which illuminates homeschooling?
I guess you are for that also since you think the government should decide how to educate your children...


i think you are asuming a lot about me. although this is off topic, you asked a question and i will answer it.  illiminating homeschooling (all types of homeschooling) is a bit extreme in my opinion.  but i also don't think that a normal kid with no problems should be home schooled in the first place.  there should be a reason to homeschool, like autism or something.  no offence intened to those that homeschool (i know there are many reasons why you do it, i just don't see the need)



homeschooling in the uk is not done properly.  the parents don't need to follow a national cirriculum, don't need to regester their kids for exams, they don't even have to mark the kids work. instead of iliminatind homeschooling they should have just raised the standards to insure that all the kids where getting the proper education.  for example they could have manditory yearly exams (based on the national cirriculum), or have monthly progress reports send to an official who follows the homeschooled familes in that area.  or something more like a distance learning, where you can teach them with your own methods, but still have manditory written tests and exams that need to be sent away for a real teacher to mark.



but again, some ppl seem to be missing the point that is the real kicker for me.  i have consistanly repeated myself in my posts about the teachers! i really could give a flying f*ck if you pull your kids out of school, that is non of my buisiness.  i just don't want my kids to have to suffer the consequenses of a few uptight parents.  if my kid wants to know what role religion played in ww2, then my kid has a right to hear the correct answer from the teacher, then and there.  not next week after a notice has been sent home making sure that it's ok with everyones parents.  and if that one teacher did answer the question, and jim-bob goes home at tells his mother, and she files a human rights complaint because she didn't like the answer that was told (difference of religion perhaps) and that teacher gets fired, then all those other kids lose out (on what could be a great, honest teacher) because of one parent thinking her "human rights" were violated.  that is just wrong.  if you are doing your job correctly then you shouldn't have to worry about your child being so easily swayed, or scared of your kid making up her own mind and her own beliefes, which (and this may come as a shocker) might not be the same as your own.

Sarah - posted on 06/18/2009

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How do people come to the conclusion teachers are more qualified than parents? Don't misunderstand what i am saying...i have a deep respect for my children's teachers and am very thankful for the selfless task they take on day after day. Some of the best teachers i've known have a mutual respect for my role as a parent and actually value my input in many areas of my child's life! We may choose to censor our child based upon our own values, yes, that's true......but why would that be a negative thing? Really the education you are choosing for your child is also based upon your beliefs! and I feel in no position to stand in your way......THIS BILL IS ABOUT CHOICE!Is it not true that you would like your child to be able to grow up and choose how to parent their own children the same way I would like to choose how to parent mine?You say your for choice but you seem to contradict yourself.Not everyone will censor their child on every topic but if they genuinely feel the need they should be granted the right to choose.Although there are exceptions many parents make choices for their children because they love them and only want what's best for them.And parents who do censor their children ......well at least you know they are taking an interest in their childrens lives..especially as it would not be easy for working parents.

Laura - posted on 06/18/2009

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As a high school Biology teacher, I can tell you; at the beginning of the school year, there is a letter sent to each of the parents stating that reproduction will be taught in a factual, biological manner. This letter needs to be signed by each parent. At the bottom of the letter is an area, where, if you do NOT want you child to participate in the discussion, they may be excused, and have a substitute assignment.

I read this out loud to the class.

There is always one kid who has to say something about the exemption at the bottom of the letter.

But, I stand by the letter, and explain that there are somethings parents want to teach their children themselves, and they have the right to do so. And, lets face it, I'm not going to get in to the ethics, or beliefs or opinions of reproduction. That is not my job. (Although I tell them all to NOT have sex!!! But I do not back it up with my beliefs as to why they should not have sex, just that they should not do it)

There are so many religions, and family structures out there, who has the right to teach our kids about reproduction?

I teach the facts and just the facts.

The rest is up to you

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Well I am a parent... And I am a human. So I think that it is a human rights issue. So how do you feel about the Britain signing the UN treaty which illuminates homeschooling?

I guess you are for that also since you think the government should decide how to educate your children...

Sadie - posted on 06/18/2009

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As parents, we are the primary educators. Period. If you think the school is going to educate your child well on this kind of stuff, look at how they've educated children in other topics. I am a teacher and a mom, and I've seen and worked with some pretty piss poor teachers. Your child's may be one of them. And you may not trust where the "academic debate" will lead in your child's particular classroom. Any bill supporting parental rights is OK with me.

Jocelyn - posted on 06/17/2009

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Quoting Constance:

You guys are missing the point... It is not about what or who the children are learning about... It is about the parent having the RIGHT to choose.
If you choose to have your child learn about that from the school more power to ya. But I think it is equally as important for a child to learn from his or her parents about these things.
I am sorry but I value my parental rights. If you don't then that's fine. I will continue to support and fight for my rights as a parent.

I am sorry by my son who might be autistic (assessment pending) does NOT need to know about homosexuality or any type of sexuality at the age of 5.
All he needs to know is that those are naughty spots that only he or the doctor can touch.

You should really look at what rights of your are about to be jeopardized by the UNC treaty. No more homeschooling in Britain because of it... (Whats next... No more sac lunches??? Or kids eat organic... Oh well not now... That's too much money for the school...)


it's not even just about the parent's rights to choose. we've always had that right, under the school acts.  it's about the fact that the govt is making it a human rights thing and how it offers the teachers absolutly no protection.

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You guys are missing the point... It is not about what or who the children are learning about... It is about the parent having the RIGHT to choose.

If you choose to have your child learn about that from the school more power to ya. But I think it is equally as important for a child to learn from his or her parents about these things.

I am sorry but I value my parental rights. If you don't then that's fine. I will continue to support and fight for my rights as a parent.



I am sorry by my son who might be autistic (assessment pending) does NOT need to know about homosexuality or any type of sexuality at the age of 5.

All he needs to know is that those are naughty spots that only he or the doctor can touch.



You should really look at what rights of your are about to be jeopardized by the UNC treaty. No more homeschooling in Britain because of it... (Whats next... No more sac lunches??? Or kids eat organic... Oh well not now... That's too much money for the school...)

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You guys are missing the point... It is not about what or who the children are learning about... It is about the parent having the RIGHT to choose.

If you choose to have your child learn about that from the school more power to ya. But I think it is equally as important for a child to learn from his or her parents about these things.

I am sorry but I value my parental rights. If you don't then that's fine. I will continue to support and fight for my rights as a parent.



I am sorry by my son who might be autistic (assessment pending) does NOT need to know about homosexuality or any type of sexuality at the age of 5.

All he needs to know is that those are naughty spots that only he or the doctor can touch.



You should really look at what rights of your are about to be jeopardized by the UNC treaty. No more homeschooling in Britain because of it... (Whats next... No more sac lunches??? Or kids eat organic... Oh well not now... That's too much money for the school...)

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I agree with Sarah Brown, Teachers do put their own spin on things, they can't help it, it is who they are and what they believe comes through. I am out of the school system now, thank God, and I had four children go through. Many times children take what they believe in school to be more important than what mom and dad are saying, because they think that school people are much smarter than mom and dad. I think that they should have a well rounded education as well, but we as parents better make sure we are dialogueing with our children and educating ourselves as to what they are learning at school and be ready to back it up with facts so that our children will realize that we have a brain too. Its a narrow path our children need to follow to come through it and there are many places that our children can go astray very easily. Good luck to you parents embarking on the school system. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

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I completely disagree with you... I think that as the parent to a child you should have the right to control what your child learns and how they learn it. Isn't the point of having a child is to be able to bring a beautiful life into this world and be able to RAISE and love your child. Well I know I want to do that. I don't want someone else to control that!


In the US we are trying to pass a similar bill. Which I support fully. I want to decide for my children until they are able to choose for themselves. I don't want the government or anyone else to be able to make those decisions.


Yes these are things that children should learn about... But who should be the one to teach them?





If that bill wouldn't of passed... Don't you think that the schools would keep pushing for more control. Maybe even eventually say, "well student can't bring their own lunches. They have to eat the school food." Or maybe even something worse than that.





I would allow my child stay for some of the issues but excuse them for others.


I am not judging but I can't see how anyone would want the school to be able to make life choices for their child. What about private schools? What about homeschooling?





(My personal beliefs: If you are going to teach one "THEORY" about how the earth was created then you need to teach them all. If you can't do that then you shouldn't choose one over the other!)

Jocelyn - posted on 06/17/2009

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Quoting Patrece:

I totally disagree with you Jocelyn. I agree with Alison



"Perish the thought that parents might actually have a say in whats best for their own kids. If parents are paying tax for the school to exist then they should have the option of excusing their kids from something that goes against their way of life. It's not like they are pushing their view on anyone else or stopping the school from teaching it, they are just making a decision that is right for their child. Perhaps all countries should take a leaf out of Canada's book and let the parents be parents."

I recently read this article...http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=62... I can't believe they will be begin teaching homosexuality in kindergarten, and continue all through the elementary years, and we as parents are not able to remove their children from the class. I think that is absolutely ridiculous! For one what type of intellectual debates are you going to have in Kindergarten! They are just feeding it into our childrens head that this is normal, and I'm sorry I do not believe it is! I believe that it should be up to the parents to teach their children these touchy subjects at home at their disgression. If this happened in my area I would yank my children right out of the district.


Why shouldn't they be teaching kids about homosexualtiy in kindergarten? and i don't think that they expect 5 yr olds to have intelecutal debates; but those kids already notice that people are different, people are different colours, people are in a wheelchair, people need a dog to help them walk.  they have friends that are different religions then they are, so why would it be so bad for them to learn that some kids have two mommies? (which would probably be the extent of it in kindergarten)  while you may not agree with it, you cannot deny that it ISN"T a part of our world now.  and kids need to learn about that world (in an age appropriat manner).



but i do agree with you that yes, it is up to the parents to teach their kids about these "touchy" subjects, but some parents just don't.  and most parents are probably going to be bias and put their own spin on the subject (just as some teachers do) it is unavoidable on either side. so where is the danger if kids are exposed to both sides?  if you are doing your job corectly then you shouldn't have to worry about Ms. English Teacher "convincing" your son that he should be gay, or convincing your daughter that she doesn't have to wait till marriage to have sex.  if your kids learn about evolution (and you have been teaching them creationism, for instance) all that you have told them is not gonna get just chucked out the window! they can come home and you can talk about it with them, and compair sides.



yes it is a good thing that teachers need to send out notice, because it opens the gates of conversation at home! and if you know in advance, then you can have the discusion with your kids first, and send them off to the class informed with "your beliefs".  then they can come home and talk to you about what the teacher said.



but i'm not upsed about the being able to pull kids from the class part, we have always had that right.  some of you are missing the main point of the bill



in no ways should this be a human rights matter! the teachers have a hard enough job to do as it is, without having to censor what they say in a typical day.  if one of the teachers is gay, and decide to get married, and they announce it to thier class, they can get slapped with a human rights complaint just because mrs. johnson doesn't want her child to think that gay marriage is normal/right/ or it is against their beliefs.  or if a teacher answers a question about evolution (because during sharing time some kid went to see some dinosaur bones in a museum) and mr. hard-core-christian doesn't want his kid to learn about evolution.  



i told a story before of my friend getting called a nigger, and having her mural defaced at the school.  she went to everyone trying to get something to happen (the boy who did it didn't even get detention!) and there was nothing protecting her under human rights or the school acts! THAT is something to worry about.  there are certianly bigger issues at hand! (this bill of which could lead to white supremesists pulling their kids from black history week...with the law on their side)



there is nothing in the bill to protect the teachers (who answer questions honestly or tell stories, etc) from a human rights complaint!  nothing!  the bill says that it is going to "over look" inpromptu conversations and such, but the parents are still allowed to file a complaint about said discusion. seems like a loophole don't you think?



they did not think this bill all the way thru!  there is so much more work that has to be done on this bill, the teachers need some protection! they can't be worring about every single comment that they make in day.  they need te be able to do their job correctly, teach without censoring, focusing on the matters at hand.

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Quoting Amanda:

I can't believe people are so upset about this? This is a wonderful Bill that has passed, confirming what most of our schools are doing already. My daughter's class(gr.5) recently sent home a letter regarding sex education lessons that they would be learning in class. I had the option to remove her from the class if I so choosed. I immediately had a discussion about this with my daughter. I chose to let her go, in fear that I may be having her miss out on open dicussions with her peers(we talk all the time). I'm not sure I made the right decision letting her go.....since then she has been worried about her period coming(more-so than before), and she has also started to become alot more self-conscious of her body(she shaved her legs), she also looks at boys differently. Basically her innocence has been somewhat taken away. I think it should be the parents decision whether or not to have the kids learn in the classroom or at home. And each child is different....they mature at different paces.....it's important that they do learn these things, but it should come from the parents choice NOT anybody elses. btw since this sex-ed class...alot of the boys and girls(10-11yrs) are "dating". Are we teaching then too young? Is that why our kids are growing up too fast? Is that why kids are having sex earlier and earlier? These are questions we all need to think about regarding our children, and we can only do the best we can. I made the decision that I thought was right at the time by letting her take the class. But that's the point...It was MY decision to make. Her PARENT, not the Teacher, not the Government, not some stranger on the street. I'm glad we have the choice, and I respect everyone's individual decision of what is right for their child and their family.


I so totaly agree with you! While it saddens me that our kids are growing up too fast and I think we are teaching them a bit too youg. However, this bill is a good thing I deserve the respect to be asked what my child is being taught at school.  Its simple all lesson plans for any grade for all materials need to be aproved and age approprite by the school board. All I can say is be informed go to local school council meetings. Keep an open line of communication with your kids teacher. If you so chose to keep your child home for these touchy lessons you have that right bill or no bill. I wouldn't but that's my personal  choice. It may or may not be the best thing to keep them home. Rather  i think you should develope a plan to deal with it before and after the lesson. Kids are kids and they talk and missinformation is worse than knowlege. I remember in sixth grade the rumor was the if you jumped up and down after sex you wouldn't get pregnant. Ignorance is not bliss ladies.

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Quoting Amanda:

I can't believe people are so upset about this? This is a wonderful Bill that has passed, confirming what most of our schools are doing already. My daughter's class(gr.5) recently sent home a letter regarding sex education lessons that they would be learning in class. I had the option to remove her from the class if I so choosed. I immediately had a discussion about this with my daughter. I chose to let her go, in fear that I may be having her miss out on open dicussions with her peers(we talk all the time). I'm not sure I made the right decision letting her go.....since then she has been worried about her period coming(more-so than before), and she has also started to become alot more self-conscious of her body(she shaved her legs), she also looks at boys differently. Basically her innocence has been somewhat taken away. I think it should be the parents decision whether or not to have the kids learn in the classroom or at home. And each child is different....they mature at different paces.....it's important that they do learn these things, but it should come from the parents choice NOT anybody elses. btw since this sex-ed class...alot of the boys and girls(10-11yrs) are "dating". Are we teaching then too young? Is that why our kids are growing up too fast? Is that why kids are having sex earlier and earlier? These are questions we all need to think about regarding our children, and we can only do the best we can. I made the decision that I thought was right at the time by letting her take the class. But that's the point...It was MY decision to make. Her PARENT, not the Teacher, not the Government, not some stranger on the street. I'm glad we have the choice, and I respect everyone's individual decision of what is right for their child and their family.


I so totaly agree with you! While it saddens me that our kids are growing up too fast and I think we are teaching them a bit too youg. However, this bill is a good thing I deserve the respect to be asked what my child is being taught at school.  Its simple all lesson plans for any grade for all materials need to be aproved and age approprite by the school board. All I can say is be informed go to local school council meetings. Keep an open line of communication with your kids teacher. If you so chose to keep your child home for these touchy lessons you have that right bill or no bill. I wouldn't but that's my personal  choice. It may or may not be the best thing to keep them home. Rather  i think you should develope a plan to deal with it before and after the lesson. Kids are kids and they talk and missinformation is worse than knowlege. I remember in sixth grade the rumor was the if you jumped up and down after sex you wouldn't get pregnant. Ignorance is not bliss ladies.

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I think it's great that some parents here are open minded to allow their children to learn what goes on in the real world and to be able to discuss their own opinions and beliefs without pushing it onto them as the only truth - to discuss it in class and then at home and to be well informed of what you're child is learning is a very good thing. I myself prefer this way of learning and I love having open disussions on the topics my son learns at school and love that it really gets him thinking.



I noticed some parents' absolute anger on the subject, that they responded defensively, that they should have the right to pull their child and teach them according to their beliefs and that they would not compromise their child's right to their own opinions and such...and to those parents that do, that's great! and it "might" be the best choice for you.



Having said that... what about the parents whose thoughts and beliefs are just plain close-minded, toxic, racist, perverse, or just plain non-existent because they just don't give a crap, having that outlet at school "might" be beneficial to that lost soul of a child. So, please think about those that are not as thoughtful and insightful a parent as yourself and be thankful that we live in a country that gives us the right to choose, to give well-thought-out opinions, as well as give out utterly thoughtless ones too.



I guess the only thing I really do not like about this bill is the human rights aspect of it. I think someone said it right that it will set up a whole slew of lawsuits for the "ever increasing population of unhappy-I've-been-wronged-and-discriminated-against-my-country-owes-me attitudes that are bogging down the courts leaving the truly discriminated to suffer.



I will close with this: this is my opinion, only my opinion, if this were a written fact you would have been notified of the appropriate action to take...again this is just my opinion.



"If you cannot set a good example, then I guess you'll have to serve as a horrible warning." Catherine Aird

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I agree with Sarah Brown, Teachers do put their own spin on things, they can't help it, it is who they are and what they believe comes through. I am out of the school system now, thank God, and I had four children go through. Many times children take what they believe in school to be more important than what mom and dad are saying, because they think that school people are much smarter than mom and dad. I think that they should have a well rounded education as well, but we as parents better make sure we are dialogueing with our children and educating ourselves as to what they are learning at school and be ready to back it up with facts so that our children will realize that we have a brain too. Its a narrow path our children need to follow to come through it and there are many places that our children can go astray very easily. Good luck to you parents embarking on the school system. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

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I so support this bill.

At what age are they going to be teaching our children these sensitive topics. What will the starting grade be.

I have two teenage daughters and they have come to me with questions about sex and other related issues. The teachers do not have the where with all to fully explain what they have just taught my child.

One example my then 15 year old came home and asked me what a didlo was because the teacher mention it in sex ed but never explained to them what it is.

I believe that we have parents have the right to choose when and how our children are going to be taught sex ed and religious topics. Also I believe that the parents have a right to review the topic to be taught to see the contents and to make an informative decision rather to allow their child to participate in the class or not and to forsee any questions that may be asked when that child comes home.

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I so support this bill.

At what age are they going to be teaching our children these sensitive topics. What will the starting grade be.

I have two teenage daughters and they have come to me with questions about sex and other related issues. The teachers do not have the where with all to fully explain what they have just taught my child.

One example my then 15 year old came home and asked me what a didlo was because the teacher mention it in sex ed but never explained to them what it is.

I believe that we have parents have the right to choose when and how our children are going to be taught sex ed and religious topics. Also I believe that the parents have a right to review the topic to be taught to see the contents and to make an informative decision rather to allow their child to participate in the class or not and to forsee any questions that may be asked when that child comes home.

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I totally disagree with you Jocelyn. I agree with Alison





"Perish the thought that parents might actually have a say in whats best for their own kids. If parents are paying tax for the school to exist then they should have the option of excusing their kids from something that goes against their way of life. It's not like they are pushing their view on anyone else or stopping the school from teaching it, they are just making a decision that is right for their child. Perhaps all countries should take a leaf out of Canada's book and let the parents be parents."


I recently read this article...http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=62... I can't believe they will be begin teaching homosexuality in kindergarten, and continue all through the elementary years, and we as parents are not able to remove their children from the class. I think that is absolutely ridiculous! For one what type of intellectual debates are you going to have in Kindergarten! They are just feeding it into our childrens head that this is normal, and I'm sorry I do not believe it is! I believe that it should be up to the parents to teach their children these touchy subjects at home at their disgression. If this happened in my area I would yank my children right out of the district.

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Quoting Toni:

I don't get it.
Of all the people that are saying they agree with pulling their children from certain school lessons about sex, homosexuality and religion, you also say that you yourself are teaching your child about these issues and that they can come to you and ask any questions. Well so do I and will continue to do....so what's the problem with the school teaching them the same things? If you yourself have done the responsible parental thing and given your child the information they need, why would you be against the school teaching the same things?
Could it be because you don't want them to be taught opposing views to your own? Because that's what it's sounding like to me.
Unfortunately there are parents that don't have these chats with their kids or do so in a very biased way and those kids need to hear the more tolerant opinions and views about others in our society. If like you parents have said you have had these unbiased chats about sex, homosexuality and other religions, what could you possibly have to be concerned about?





I definitely understand your question.  I can't speak for all the moms on here who share my opinions on this, but here is the answer as it pertains to my family:






If the schools actually taught the SAME things as are being taught in each home, we would have a problem.  I am a Christian, and so I teach my child tolerance and respect for other religions/cultures/orientations from a Christian point of view.  Thank goodness the schools DON'T teach the exact same thing, because it would be very wrong of them to choose a religious organization to favor in their curriculum. 






Here is the problem that actually exists.  In many classrooms, the teaching of tolerance to other religions/cultures/orientations includes strong references to why particularly Christian teaching is too harsh or intolerant of others (which, I'll admit, many Christians have used it that way).  I do not at all believe that my child should have her beliefs shot down or taught against simply so that another belief can be upheld.  The schools are not teaching an UNBIASED opinion here.  Now, I don't want schools to decide to teach primarily Christian values, either, because of the validity of everyone else's religious views.  Therefore, if there is a subject that stomps muddy feet all over one of the primary belief systems in our world, then it should be left to the parents to discuss with their children, or at least should be made an optional lesson for the child's parents to decide whether to educate their children on the subject or allow another person to.  Not to mention, why in the world is it now imperative to be tolerant to everyone's point of view EXCEPT the Christian's?  We hold a valid belief system, too, and it should be respected just the same as any other belief system out there.






Obviously, parents do not teach an unbiased opinion at home.  We have our primary belief system, and that is what we choose to teach our children.  However, if we are doing our job right, we're using our belief system to show our children how to be tolerant, loving, and accepting of others for who THEY are, too.  For example, I read the stories of Jesus going to the tax collector's house and eating dinner with the refuse of society and teaching his disciples about loving everyone regardless of sin or culture or society standards to my daughter all the time.  She knows that there are many people that think differently than we do, and she knows that it's okay.  We believe we're doing right by following the Christian Bible, but we will certainly never be intolerant of any other belief system. 






The school, however, teaches that if our religion says that the universe came to be at the spoken word of our Creator, we should chunk it and believe that it was really an improbable accident of timing within a gazillion years that suddenly decided to poof into existance all on its own.  It is necessary for my daughter to know about the other opinions out there, but I do NOT have to let her be taught that what she believes is stupid.  That is why I prefer to do the initial teaching at home.  As far as sex goes, well, as long as the curriculum sticks to "these are your private areas, and no one should touch them in the wrong way," then we're good.  But, I can teach my child about sex and responsibility regarding sexual subjects at home.  The school would tell my child that it's fine for unmarried people to have sex, and we believe that it's not.  I want her to know that the opposing view is out there, but I want her to learn it in an environment where her beliefs are not put down or ignored.  That is all, I think, that most of us with this view are trying to say.





You said that perfectly...and have expressed my views exactly. Thank you for your eloquent speech!

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Erin...Secular Humanism is the RELIGION that is taught in public schools. There is no getting around it. We are all spiritual beings and will adopt one religion or another...even Atheism is considered a form of religion. All of which, by the way, I AND my children study at length. My boys know more about other religions and what they embrace and believe than most adults do. They didn't learn THAT in public school.






I don't understand your view of education at all.  You talk about this "religion" of secular humanism as if it is evil that is propagated in the public schools by teachers in order to turn students against Christianity.  Sounds pretty sinister, this secular humanism!  I must have missed out on Secular Humanism 101 when I got my education degree...I guess that means that my students are missing out too. 






It's funny, after I read your posts and saw the term come up so many times, I researched it online, and what came up were a mainly religious websites bashing public education with conspiracy theories about the brainwashing of students with this evil humanism. 






I don't think that religion has a place in public schools, because who would get to decide which religion is taught?  I live in a small city in Alberta...not the most diverse place in the world, but still, I have taught students from all over the world, who subscribe to many different religions.  I would be doing my students a disservice to propagate one religion over another.  My university education did NOT focus on how to teach children by propagating one world view.  Every course I took dealt with INQUIRY.  We teach children to seek out information; to form their own questions and find answers that are relevant and important to them.  School is not about students asking questions, and teachers answering them.  Students are taught to seek out answers by many different means.






It's disheartening how many parents on this thread seem to have an "us against them" mentality when it comes to teachers.  I'm thankful that I don't find that attitude at my school. 






And in closing, I fully disagree with your claim that public schools propagate a religion called secular humanism.  What public schools DO, is refrain from teaching Christianity so as not to alienate or disrespect the many, many students who do not come from Christian families.





I think it is fine for us to agree to disagree. There is no way that your perspective is going to be seen as right in my eyes. It just isn't. And the flip is true as well, I'm sure.



I, personally do NOT have an "us against them" attitude. I completely repsect those who teach as a profession. I'm glad there are caring individuals who are willing to give of their time to teach the next generation. Especially since most are so highly underpaid. Please don't think that I'm judging YOU personally or even what you believe in. I'm simply saying that my convictions are different. I KNOW that each person has a world view that affects the way they interpret the world and how they interact with people. NO ONE is exempt from that. It is how we are wired. Your personal world view embraces all that the public school teaches and its approach so, of course, you will see nothing wrong with it. That is completely understandable and I can fully respect that. My world view is different. At the same time, I don't see you or most any teacher as evil or out to get my child. I just don't think you are better able to educate my child than I am. And that's not even bc I think highly of myself. I'm just being obedient to what God has laid on my heart to do. He equips me to do what He's called me to do.



Just bc you don't understand Secular Humanism and can't see it clearly, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And whether or not you embrace it, I know it to be truth and will choose according to what honors scripture and not what you think is right or true. Again, that does NOT mean I think you are evil or trying to tear children away from God. I think most teachers truly have a heartfelt passion to contribute to the betterment of our society as a whole and I commend them for that. I just think the WAY it's being done does NOT honor God. If you don't have a personal walk with Christ, you can easily separate yourself from Him and easily say that He has no business in the education of children. But for those of us who know Him personally and deeply, we simply cannot remove Him from ANY aspect of our lives. It's a love and honor thing...not a rules and regulations thing. It's too bad that others simply cannot see that and respect it.



Krista...when my children were in the public school system, they had lots of teachers that were fantastic. I have nothing against ANY of them. They are wonderful people. I have friends who are school teachers and most of my friend's children go to public school. This is NOT an issue between us. We have differing views, that's all. We each do what we believe is in the best interest of our children. We don't always agree on what that means, but we respect one another as people and respect our different convictions. It's sad to me that those who oppose our Biblical World View (on this list) are insistent that WE are wrong in how we educate our children. Fact is, it is quite arrogant for anyone to think they know what is best for MY child. God knows every little detail about my children and decided it was best for ME to educate them. Since He is infinitely smarter than any human could ever hope to be...I think I will continue to trust Him and honor His will for me and my family.



For the children who continue to go to public school, I hope they are blessed with teachers who have a heart like yours.

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i have to say i do not agree with pulling your kids. i discuss all of those things at home with my kids. but there are some parents that do not and they need these classes to be educated about sex and everything else in the real world. and look at all these kids commin home with things they didnt leave with at 12 13 and 14. thats because the parents dont talk to them or guide them. my daughter knows she can come to me with any of those questions and im going to tell her. no she dont need the classes but they are still a good idea due to the fact that it gives her other ppls opinions

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yes i agree i would like to teach my children my beliefs ,and as for sexual education i much more prefer to teach my children

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SOME PARENTS 'DO'...SOME PARENTS JUST 'DO NOT'!! SOME CHILDREN 'DO'...SOME CHILDREN JUST 'DO NOT'!! IF SOME OF THESE WORDS [NOT JUST MY WORDS; BUT EVERYONE'S WORDS] OBTAIN TO U---TAKE IT ALL IN!!!!! IF NOT, SHARE THEM W/THE ONES THAT NEED THE EXTRA IN-SIGHT!!!!!!! NOT SAYING THAT, AMY...BUT, SOMETIMES I'D LIKE TO LIVE IN A BUBBLE...'SOME' CHILDREN DO NEED TO LEARN 'SEVERAL' THINGS BEFORE DRAWING A 'BLANK' IN THIS REAL; SOMETIMES, CRUEL WORLD!!!!!!!! MY EXPERIENCES! JO

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Joanne, While I agree and disagree with some of the things you've said, I just want to say one thing. I was pulled out of classes in school mainly dance and sex ed. However, I never once skipped school. I was being taught right from wrong as my parents saw it and that included not skipping school. If anything my parents pulling me out and standing up for what they believed was wrong taught me to stand up for what I believed in. While I don't agree with the way sex ed is taught in school and I wouldn't let my kids attend the ones in kindy-grade 1, I would allow them to take dance. Not all of us who are taken out grow up in a bubble.

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I DO AGREE AND I DISAGREE ON A LOT OF READING MATERIAL THAT I'VE READ THIS MORNIN WHILE DRINKIN MY COFFEE WITH A LOT OF THEM MAKIN MORE SINCE THAN ONE! ****I'M AGREEING THAT THE SCHOOLS SHOULD NOT START TEACHING OUR KIDS THE IMPORTANCE OF LIFE; ADULTHOOD WAY TOOOO EARLY...LET OUR KIDS REMAIN JUST THAT...KIDS!!****











ANOTHER THING...THE PART ABOUT PARENTS TAKING THEIR KIDS OUT OF SCHOOLS JUST BECAUSE OF A 'TOUCHY' SUBJECT IS RIDICULOUS...THE KIDS WOULD JUST GET MORE AND MORE USE TO 'JUST MISSIN' CLASSES FOR 'JUST ANY OL' REASON' AND THEN ALWAYS MAKIN EXCUSES TO CUT SCHOOL/THEN THEIR JOBS. I CAN SEE A PATTERN FORMING NOW!! DON'T GIVE THEM THAT CHANCE; THEY TEND TO TAKE A MILE. WHAT AN EASY WAY TO 'SKIP' SCHOOL...AND NOT SHOW ANY RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE A "PERFECT OR GOOD ATTENDANCE."---THEIR THOUGHTS; "BESIDES, I KNOW MY PARENTS WILL LET ME CUT CLASSES TODAY BECAUSE OF THE TOPIC ON HAND. HOW EASY IS THIS?"











**AND STOP LETTING OUR KIDS BE THE ADULT; THEY THINK THEY CAN 'RULE' THE HOUSEHOLD, NOW. I CAN REMEMBER WHAT DR. PHIL SAID ONE DAY...AND HOW I WISHED OTHERS COULD HAVE HEARD THOSE WORDS---"OUR CHILDREN WERE BORN INTO OUR WORLD---THE KIDS WERE NOT BORN TO RULE THE ADULTS. THEY NEED AND STRIVE ON STRUCTURE IN THEIR LIVES. WE [AS PARENTS] NEED TO TAKE THAT ROLE ; BACK INTO PLAY!!!!!!!!!"











I DO AGREE W/KATIE FELTNER~~WHAT A GREAT PLAN FOR TEACHERS TO SEND NOTES!! (E*MAILS OR MAILING: BY USING DIFFERENT ENVELOPES ^^SO KIDS CAN'T JUST TAKE THEM OUT OF THE BOX BEFORE PARENTS CAN SEE THEM); SENDING 'NOTES AHEAD' TO GIVE THE 'HEADS-UP' ON A SUBJECT TO BE ABLE TO VOICE THEIR OPINION; THE PARENTS CAN WAY IN ON THEIR OWN THOUGHTS. [OUR CHILDREN NEED TO LEARN SEVERAL THINGS BEFORE DRAWING A 'BLANK' IN THIS REAL; SOMETIMES, CRUEL WORLD.]











I DO AGREE W/SHAMIEN B. JANSEN~~"PUT THESE WONDERFUL THOUGHTS AND GREAT IDEAS TOGETHER & 'YOU' HAVE; WE ALL' HAVE THE RIGHT TO OUR OWN OPINIONS...AND YOU CAN SAY TO THEM...I JUST DON'T (OR I AGREE) W/IT, THEN EXPLAIN TO U'R CHILDREN WHY OR WHY NOT U FILL THIS WAY."











AND YES, DISCUSS THE SUBJECT W/U'R KIDS BEFORE THEY GO TO SCHOOL. THEN, THE CHILD CAN BRING IT UP IN CLASS ABOUT 'THE PROS AND CONS' & 'THE IMPORTANCE' OF THE MATTER W/THEIR CLASS-MATES. [EVERYONE CAN WAY IN ON THEIR OWN THOUGHTS]. A CHILD WILL LISTEN TO THEIR PEERS; OTHER KIDS WAY FASTER THAN THEIR ELDERS!! THEN, IT'S AN 'OPEN DISCUSSION FOR ALL SIDES. JUST AS IT IS FOR...VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!











^^^^JUST LET THE KIDS BE KIDS...THERE'S NO NEED TO TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF AN ADULT UNTIL THAT TIME REALLY COMES. I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY; JUST THE OTHER DAY, MY FRIEND FROM HIGH SCHOOL; KAREN RACE BURTON HAD QUOTED..."IF ONLY I COULD GO BACK TO THE WORRY---FREE DAYS OF SCHOOL"!!











MY HUBBY; GARY HAD JUST SAID TO ME ON THE PHONE, "WE [NEVER] ALOUD IT TO GET THAT BAD...OUR KIDS KNEW WHERE THEIR PLACE WAS...WE MADE THOSE RULES FROM THE BEGINNING!!











THESE ARE ALL HELPFUL HINTS & IDEAS FOR THE GOOD PARENT; BAD PARENT; AND THE HUMAN PARENT...DISCIPLINE IN HOMES AND SCHOOLS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY. THEY ARE VERY MUCH NEEDED; [NOT TALKIN ABOUT BEATINGS] TO TEACH OUR KIDS RIGHT FROM WRONG. PARENTS AT HOME AND TEACHERS AT SCHOOL ARE SUPPOSE TO TEACH 'GOOD' LEARNING BEHAVIOR IN CHILDREN TO MAKE THE BEST ADULTS FOR THE FUTURE; TO RESPECT THEMSELVES & OTHERS {EVEN THE ELDERLY}!!











THERE IS SO MUCH READING MATERIAL THAT I'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO OTHER ISSUES LATER. I JUST HAD TO STOP FOR RIGHT NOW...MAYBE I'LL BE BACK! TAKE CARE OF U & U'R KIDS!!











AND, 'AMEN...SISTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANX FOR LETTING ME 'VENT' AMONG THE REST OF U...I SURE AS H*** NEEDED IT. I'M FEELING MUCH BETTER!!!!!!! JO

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I understand what your saying, Why I wrote what I wrote is basicly because of my child not understanding things that are being said to him. I  Would have written about the Sex as well , But my post was a little longer then  I usauly write , I plan on teaching them about safe sex if they happen to try it before they are married . I just didn't write it because of the length of my post.








 The main thing is I want the respect of getting a permision  slip for me to sign and send back with them Just so I know what is being taught to them . Like what I had to do when I was in school like when I had to bring home the permision slip my mother had to sign in order for me to see the Women  film-- .








Prayer in school is fine with me ,everychild should have the right to Pray as well as not to if they chose not to . What I was saying is my two boys are in  Kindergarten, and 2nd grade and their school is fine they say the Pledge, they sing GodBless America which I am thrilled about but if a child is of another Culture they are not made to say it. But Like I said about the Muslims haveing their own Class to pray in School I don't know if that is true I read something about it on the Internet, I also read that those Schools  allow that, but won't allow the children who want to pray. LiKe I said I just read that how true it is I don't know.








 What I was getting at is if it is true they don't allow Prayer in school it should be for the Muslim Children as well not just children of other Religions that is why I said not one religion is better .What  I was saying is if a school does not allow Prayer in it they Shouldn't be teaching about Religion.   








I didn't take anything Personal. My main concern is I would like to know what my children are being taught.










First of all Shannon, I want to thank you so much for not taking what I posted personally. After a few of the posts around here I was almost certain there wouldn't be anyway that someone could read what I said objectively and I really truly appreciate that you didn't take it personally.






You and I are the same in that regard, that we both want to be told what our children are being taught at school. I also think though that even if the school isn't sending out notices, it's our responsibility as the parents of these influencial minds to make it a priority to find out what they are being taught so that we can address those matters and even so that we can educate ourselves so that we have the means to teach or learn with our children. Whether it's math, spelling, a book or something as 'controversial' as sex, drugs, religion, etc etc etc.






I also agree with you about prayer. There shouldn't be any discrimination between religions - if prayer is allowd, all prayer should be allowd. If no prayer is permitted than no prayer should be permitted. That would go along the same lines, to me, of what I said about teaching a child that homosexuality is bad and wrong but don't hate them or look at them differently; it's confusing to a child and it sends mixed messages.






I guess my whole point in the end of all of it has to do with parents talking about responsibility to teach children certain things - I think we all agree it is our responsibility - I just don't understand how a child being open to discussion can be negative if we have taken care of our responsibilities and prepared our children and ourselves. 






Some say that parents are 'pawning off' the responsibility by leaving it to the school - I agree. That would be a pawn off. But if we are talking to our children, AND, allowing them to participate in those classes then we are in no way pawning off responsibility.






Some say that parents that take their children out of those classes specifically are sheltering their children when in reality they're just doing what they feel is best for their child and they have that right.






Some could say that parents who homeschool are skimping out because instead of having to deal with that responsibility of knowing whats being taught, preparing yourself for any questions that may arise, allowing your child the opportunity to learn anything and everything and having to be the one to sort it out in the end... the home schooling parents are skipping all that responsibility by just teaching what they want/feel necessary to teach. (I hope that makes sense - and I am in no way saying that's WHY people homeschool I'm just throwing out another perception) 






Anyways, if these extreme thoughts are there, it's for a reason. And as a parent we have the responsibility to find out why that reason is there - whether it's the child, the parent, the teacher, the lesson or even the school.





No Problem.

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I also wanted to point out - I have been going off on a tangent as well - this bill has nothing to do with parental rights regarding the parent being allowd to pull their children out of school but has to do with the parents right to file human rights complaints against teachers.



No one is saying that parents don't have the right to take their kids out of class, that's been a parents right forever. I am trying to understand the logic behind wanting to do so. And if a parent chooses not too, would said parent use this bill against the teacher?



Also, I would like to add, after a recent incident with a friend of mine's 14 year old sibling, I learned that in Canada, an 11 year old can tell their parent that they do not want to attend school and the parent legally is not allowd to send that child to school against their request AND at the age of 15 that child can choose to live in any other home (as long as it is a safe enviroment) without their parents consent BUT that parent is legally obligated to be responsible for that child until they are 18 years of age.



The government says that a child at 11 years old is allowd to decide for themselves if they want an education at all; and yet parents don't think their 11 year old should be "exposed" to "touchy" subjects because they are too young.



I don't mean to offend anyone by this but it seems that some parents are a bit naive in their thinking. An open discussion, an open invitation to talking, a trusting mutual friendship between mom and child, does not mean your child won't 'change overnight' and disregard what you have told them.



At least this is my way of thinking. I will never expect my son to always talk to me, I would love for him to be able too and I will give him every opportunity to talk to me openly and honestly, but I feel SO MUCH better about my role as his mom and him as an individual, a strong individual that if something were to happen where he didn't want to talk to me, he would have all the information available to him.



Will I do everything I possibly can to make sure the information he is given in school is accurate and varied and that the opportunity to discuss before and after is available to both myself and my child? Absolutely!!! Will I be able to answer all of his questions? Absolutely not. Will I try my damndest to make sure he gets an answer that he is satisfied with? Absolutely!!! I will teach my son 2 things;



#1 - I will teach him that the only question that is unacceptable, is a question that he does not ask. #2 - I will teach him that WHY is the number one thing he should ask when he is unsure about the reason of anything.



With teaching him those two things, along with the foundation of a good morals and values - I feel that my responsibility as a mom, to follow along his work at school, seeing what is being taught, learning about it myself, and allowing Gabriel to ask questions before and after - this bill is completely pointless.



I should have no reason to take him out of class let alone have any reason to file a complaint against a teacher for anything. If my child comes back with a warped mind - it's my own fault because it is/was my responsibility to make sure that what he is/was being taught, he had the ability to take it in, assess it and either ask questions or dismiss it. If there was something there that would teach him that "uncle charlie" is going to sexually abuse him - I MISSED IT. I should have asked more questions, I should have said that they needed to reword how they were going to be expressing this to the children, I should have looked over what the teacher was saying better before hand and explained to my son what that meant, BEFORE, he was exposed to it.



Anyways, I'm going to leave this as it is lol that's my view on all of this.

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i am a mother of three, and this probably doesnt applie to me, living in Australia, but, A parent should have the right to bring their child up as they see fit espeacilly in the society we live in today. Im not a religous person but spiritual.I was brought up in the church of LDS. Organised religion can be very positive for some young people as it gives them an understanding of evelution, in which most of the human population believe in, christianity. i learnt most how to identify other peoples needs and how to publicaly speake out. these are gifts you do not learn in a glass room.

I have travel many places in my life and my children by my side. the other young people we have meet and what others say of my own, is "how worldy these children are. experiences is what these children remember in life and carry with them.

As long as we can give our children positive insight, tools to use, good values, and positive role models, a child and person can succsed with the choice they have to make.

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We as parents really don't want the goverment to take away our parental rights. We are the parents and we should be able to decide whether or not we want our child to be a part of something.

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Quoting Shannon Cassidy-:



 About your question-- Yes if my kids had workbooks , I proboly would read what was in them and if I saw things in them that stood out to me I would ask about it ,  but if it wasn't to bad I would not make a big deal out of it.





Thank you for answering my question :)

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Perish the thought that parents might actually have a say in whats best for their own kids. If parents are paying tax for the school to exist then they should have the option of excusing their kids from something that goes against their way of life. It's not like they are pushing their view on anyone else or stopping the school from teaching it, they are just making a decision that is right for their child. Perhaps all countries should take a leaf out of Canada's book and let the parents be parents.






I TOTALY agree If i am going to raise my child I dont want the schools shoving evolution and gay rights into my childs head!!





Yeah, I myself do not want my children to learn how to share.  I sure hope they don't shove that into my kids head.  Can I remove my kids from school the day they teach sharing.  And tolerance..Wow...that is a scary one.  By the way, I too am a Christian but I want my children to learn about all the options.  I want them to learn also that not everyone in the world is not like them and not all decisions are easy.  AND I want them to know that EVERYONE has rights no matter of their race, religion or sexual orientation.  And I sure as hell want my teanager to know what a condom is regardless of what MY views are.

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I understand what your saying, Why I wrote what I wrote is basicly because of my child not understanding things that are being said to him. I  Would have written about the Sex as well , But my post was a little longer then  I usauly write , I plan on teaching them about safe sex if they happen to try it before they are married . I just didn't write it because of the length of my post.






 The main thing is I want the respect of getting a permision  slip for me to sign and send back with them Just so I know what is being taught to them . Like what I had to do when I was in school like when I had to bring home the permision slip my mother had to sign in order for me to see the Women  film-- .






Prayer in school is fine with me ,everychild should have the right to Pray as well as not to if they chose not to . What I was saying is my two boys are in  Kindergarten, and 2nd grade and their school is fine they say the Pledge, they sing GodBless America which I am thrilled about but if a child is of another Culture they are not made to say it. But Like I said about the Muslims haveing their own Class to pray in School I don't know if that is true I read something about it on the Internet, I also read that those Schools  allow that, but won't allow the children who want to pray. LiKe I said I just read that how true it is I don't know.






 What I was getting at is if it is true they don't allow Prayer in school it should be for the Muslim Children as well not just children of other Religions that is why I said not one religion is better .What  I was saying is if a school does not allow Prayer in it they Shouldn't be teaching about Religion.   






I didn't take anything Personal. My main concern is I would like to know what my children are being taught.






First of all Shannon, I want to thank you so much for not taking what I posted personally. After a few of the posts around here I was almost certain there wouldn't be anyway that someone could read what I said objectively and I really truly appreciate that you didn't take it personally.



You and I are the same in that regard, that we both want to be told what our children are being taught at school. I also think though that even if the school isn't sending out notices, it's our responsibility as the parents of these influencial minds to make it a priority to find out what they are being taught so that we can address those matters and even so that we can educate ourselves so that we have the means to teach or learn with our children. Whether it's math, spelling, a book or something as 'controversial' as sex, drugs, religion, etc etc etc.



I also agree with you about prayer. There shouldn't be any discrimination between religions - if prayer is allowd, all prayer should be allowd. If no prayer is permitted than no prayer should be permitted. That would go along the same lines, to me, of what I said about teaching a child that homosexuality is bad and wrong but don't hate them or look at them differently; it's confusing to a child and it sends mixed messages.



I guess my whole point in the end of all of it has to do with parents talking about responsibility to teach children certain things - I think we all agree it is our responsibility - I just don't understand how a child being open to discussion can be negative if we have taken care of our responsibilities and prepared our children and ourselves. 



Some say that parents are 'pawning off' the responsibility by leaving it to the school - I agree. That would be a pawn off. But if we are talking to our children, AND, allowing them to participate in those classes then we are in no way pawning off responsibility.



Some say that parents that take their children out of those classes specifically are sheltering their children when in reality they're just doing what they feel is best for their child and they have that right.



Some could say that parents who homeschool are skimping out because instead of having to deal with that responsibility of knowing whats being taught, preparing yourself for any questions that may arise, allowing your child the opportunity to learn anything and everything and having to be the one to sort it out in the end... the home schooling parents are skipping all that responsibility by just teaching what they want/feel necessary to teach. (I hope that makes sense - and I am in no way saying that's WHY people homeschool I'm just throwing out another perception) 



Anyways, if these extreme thoughts are there, it's for a reason. And as a parent we have the responsibility to find out why that reason is there - whether it's the child, the parent, the teacher, the lesson or even the school.

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Quoting Jo:

I am really truly not trying to offend anyone here but if I do, then I guess my words must hit a nerve and might ring true to something... I am not meaning to attack anyone's parenting or decisions with their child - I am simply trying to understand the logic or lack there of in my view.

I've read from a couple people now and I just shake my head at the lack of common sense. Shannon I'm going to use your words but I am in no way calling you out specifically, I just don't want to go through 200 posts to find other examples when your post is right there.

I don't want my child to have sex just cause a teacher said its ok.

How naive and gullible and stupid would your kid have to be to actually come to that conclusion. If you have spoken to your child and they sit through this discussion about sex, and decide to listen to the teacher OVER you - you have not done your job - you sure as shit can not blame a teacher for that one, that's all on you. Sexual education is not about telling your child it is ok to have sex. I don't know where in the world anyone would figure that's what it was about. It's about teaching children about their bodies, phsyically, scientifically and educating them about what their body can do so that they know. And they also have those lessons because not all parents know exactly what part of every piece of a vagina or penis is called. In some lessons later on in school they also teach them that sex is natural, special and they encourage teenagers to wait BUT if they choose to have sex they show them what precautions to use so that they don't end up a teen parent, with STD's or HIV. They teach what STD's are, what they do and how you get them. They teach about condoms and the pill and other contraceptives.

If they ever ask me questions about other Religions I will answer them as Honestly as I possibly could, if I can't I will go to someone who could.

(I will note - I have this exact same mind frame - I do not believe in God. But when my son asks questions he will be given any information I can possibly get for him including going to people.)

If they are asking questions then what would be the harm of them asking questions in a classroom enviroment where they might have the information ready available to answer your childs questions appropriately? If you have spoken to your child already about this, about your beliefs, and they come home and ask you more questions or open dialogue with you about what they learned and you feel that what they learned isn't sufficient information or wrong information even, you then have the opportunity to give your child the information - in turn will teach your child that EVERYONE has different opinions, ideas and ways of expressing their beliefs and that it is your responsibility and duty as a FAMILY to help one another find the correct information that works perfectly with each individuals mind. If a child hears something at school about something you have already spoken to them about and have explained your stance on the matter... and your child takes the schools word as the truth without questioning it then there is an underlining issue that YOU need to address as a parent.

Homosexuality - in school it's usually not addressed unless a hate crime has taken place, a book covers it in one way or another - and when it is addressed, schools don't try and SHOVE homosexuality down your childs throat, they simply address the fact that there are homosexuals and just because they are homosexual they are no different than you or me and that any sort of misbehaviour directed towards those people will not be tolerated - the majority of the time when homosexuality is brought up in school it is in a bullying assembly. And if you don't want your child to hate them what's the issue... if they're only ever seen in a "bad" light then you're setting your child up to dislike them and cast them out than if they are addressed in a positive light that they are no different than anyone.

Personally, I think If what you teach at home is that homosexuality is bad and that marriage should only be between man and woman and if a man and man or woman and woman are in a relationship they are bad but don't hate them, I think you're sending mixed messages to your child. If you've already spoken to your child about homosexuality then what would be the issue there? Teacher says homosexuality is ok so your son is going to come home with a boyfriend? We all know that isn't going to happen unless your kid is already gay and then if that's all it takes for your child to be himself/herself - then you should be freakin delirious that your child feels that they can be themselves seeing as most gays these days that are younger are too scared to be themselves in fear of being cast out and hated and discriminated and even killed for being themselves.

I can understand children with disabilities, children that are just not 'there' yet to understand those things I'm not talking about those children (Shannon, a note, that is one of the reasons why I wasn't calling you out specifically - you stated your lil boy has a disability and I can understand your concerns).

A note about Muslim prayer - that religion calls for prayer at specific times. Prayer at meal times is a specific time that Christians pray etc I don't think any child should not be allowd to pray in schools. Any school that says no prayer - I'm sure it would be no prayer. regardless of religion. Any school that allows prayer for one religion I'm sure would allow prayer for another. I don't see the harm in a child saying a silent prayer before they eat their lunch - I do however see a problem with a religion saying that every child must pray before lunch.

After reading some of these posts it blows me away. Really truly makes me wonder. If the views of schools teaching these things are so horrible for so many parents, what the hell are the parents doing, or even NOT doing for them to come to these conclusions. I'm sorry but if you really believe that your school is telling your children that they should have sex, only listen to one religion and that homosexuality is the norm... your school has some issues (or maybe you are just interpreting it that way because you'd rather your child not learn certain things) and it is your job as a parent to raise those issues to the school so that what they teach in school teaches ALL children.

And - MY PERSONAL OPINION HERE - any parent who thinks that allowing your child to participate in school educational assemblies that address those matters would be taking over your parenting - you haven't done your job in the first place. It is our responsibility to teach morals, understanding, values, instill the base, the core of those foundations into our children BEFORE they have to confront such "touchy" matters that have been discussed. Whether it's on the street, in school, from a family member or even a friend. If you want to take your kid out of class because you think it isn't the schools responsibility then you should probably get up and do something because either you are behind by not previously preparing your child for these things or your school is jumping the gun and \you should seriously be discussing whether this is a bad school for your child or maybe just their curriculum needs to be addressed. Again I really want to emphasize that I am specifically talking about children that are at the appropriate mindframe to be discussing these matters and I am in no way implicating that EVERY child is ready when the school brings these issues forward. But at the same time - if your child is able to comprehend long division they are more than likely ready to learn about sex.

I am still waiting for an answer to my questions if someone wouldn't mind answering please...

Do you read all the school books that your children reads to make sure that there won't be a spontaneous discussion about sex, drugs, alcohol, abuse (rape, beating, alcohol or drug), religion, steroid use, homosexuality, etc to make sure that those things can not come up while in an english, socials, gym, history, current events or reading class? And if a discussion were to arise, your child comes home and tells you and asks you about it, would you use this Bill against the teacher for not having put an end to the discussion immediately because you had not had time to prepare your child or choose to take your child out of the class?





I understand what your saying, Why I wrote what I wrote is basicly because of my child not understanding things that are being said to him. I  Would have written about the Sex as well , But my post was a little longer then  I usauly write , I plan on teaching them about safe sex if they happen to try it before they are married . I just didn't write it because of the length of my post.






 The main thing is I want the respect of getting a permision  slip for me to sign and send back with them Just so I know what is being taught to them . Like what I had to do when I was in school like when I had to bring home the permision slip my mother had to sign in order for me to see the Women  film-- .






Prayer in school is fine with me ,everychild should have the right to Pray as well as not to if they chose not to . What I was saying is my two boys are in  Kindergarten, and 2nd grade and their school is fine they say the Pledge, they sing GodBless America which I am thrilled about but if a child is of another Culture they are not made to say it. But Like I said about the Muslims haveing their own Class to pray in School I don't know if that is true I read something about it on the Internet, I also read that those Schools  allow that, but won't allow the children who want to pray. LiKe I said I just read that how true it is I don't know.






 What I was getting at is if it is true they don't allow Prayer in school it should be for the Muslim Children as well not just children of other Religions that is why I said not one religion is better .What  I was saying is if a school does not allow Prayer in it they Shouldn't be teaching about Religion.   






I didn't take anything Personal. My main concern is I would like to know what my children are being taught.



 About your question-- Yes if my kids had workbooks , I proboly would read what was in them and if I saw things in them that stood out to me I would ask about it ,  but if it wasn't to bad I would not make a big deal out of it.


 

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I am really truly not trying to offend anyone here but if I do, then I guess my words must hit a nerve and might ring true to something... I am not meaning to attack anyone's parenting or decisions with their child - I am simply trying to understand the logic or lack there of in my view.


I've read from a couple people now and I just shake my head at the lack of common sense. Shannon I'm going to use your words but I am in no way calling you out specifically, I just don't want to go through 200 posts to find other examples when your post is right there.


I don't want my child to have sex just cause a teacher said its ok.


How naive and gullible and stupid would your kid have to be to actually come to that conclusion. If you have spoken to your child and they sit through this discussion about sex, and decide to listen to the teacher OVER you - you have not done your job - you sure as shit can not blame a teacher for that one, that's all on you. Sexual education is not about telling your child it is ok to have sex. I don't know where in the world anyone would figure that's what it was about. It's about teaching children about their bodies, phsyically, scientifically and educating them about what their body can do so that they know. And they also have those lessons because not all parents know exactly what part of every piece of a vagina or penis is called. In some lessons later on in school they also teach them that sex is natural, special and they encourage teenagers to wait BUT if they choose to have sex they show them what precautions to use so that they don't end up a teen parent, with STD's or HIV. They teach what STD's are, what they do and how you get them. They teach about condoms and the pill and other contraceptives.


If they ever ask me questions about other Religions I will answer them as Honestly as I possibly could, if I can't I will go to someone who could.


(I will note - I have this exact same mind frame - I do not believe in God. But when my son asks questions he will be given any information I can possibly get for him including going to people.)


If they are asking questions then what would be the harm of them asking questions in a classroom enviroment where they might have the information ready available to answer your childs questions appropriately? If you have spoken to your child already about this, about your beliefs, and they come home and ask you more questions or open dialogue with you about what they learned and you feel that what they learned isn't sufficient information or wrong information even, you then have the opportunity to give your child the information - in turn will teach your child that EVERYONE has different opinions, ideas and ways of expressing their beliefs and that it is your responsibility and duty as a FAMILY to help one another find the correct information that works perfectly with each individuals mind. If a child hears something at school about something you have already spoken to them about and have explained your stance on the matter... and your child takes the schools word as the truth without questioning it then there is an underlining issue that YOU need to address as a parent.


Homosexuality - in school it's usually not addressed unless a hate crime has taken place, a book covers it in one way or another - and when it is addressed, schools don't try and SHOVE homosexuality down your childs throat, they simply address the fact that there are homosexuals and just because they are homosexual they are no different than you or me and that any sort of misbehaviour directed towards those people will not be tolerated - the majority of the time when homosexuality is brought up in school it is in a bullying assembly. And if you don't want your child to hate them what's the issue... if they're only ever seen in a "bad" light then you're setting your child up to dislike them and cast them out than if they are addressed in a positive light that they are no different than anyone.


Personally, I think If what you teach at home is that homosexuality is bad and that marriage should only be between man and woman and if a man and man or woman and woman are in a relationship they are bad but don't hate them, I think you're sending mixed messages to your child. If you've already spoken to your child about homosexuality then what would be the issue there? Teacher says homosexuality is ok so your son is going to come home with a boyfriend? We all know that isn't going to happen unless your kid is already gay and then if that's all it takes for your child to be himself/herself - then you should be freakin delirious that your child feels that they can be themselves seeing as most gays these days that are younger are too scared to be themselves in fear of being cast out and hated and discriminated and even killed for being themselves.


I can understand children with disabilities, children that are just not 'there' yet to understand those things I'm not talking about those children (Shannon, a note, that is one of the reasons why I wasn't calling you out specifically - you stated your lil boy has a disability and I can understand your concerns).


A note about Muslim prayer - that religion calls for prayer at specific times. Prayer at meal times is a specific time that Christians pray etc I don't think any child should not be allowd to pray in schools. Any school that says no prayer - I'm sure it would be no prayer. regardless of religion. Any school that allows prayer for one religion I'm sure would allow prayer for another. I don't see the harm in a child saying a silent prayer before they eat their lunch - I do however see a problem with a religion saying that every child must pray before lunch.


After reading some of these posts it blows me away. Really truly makes me wonder. If the views of schools teaching these things are so horrible for so many parents, what the hell are the parents doing, or even NOT doing for them to come to these conclusions. I'm sorry but if you really believe that your school is telling your children that they should have sex, only listen to one religion and that homosexuality is the norm... your school has some issues (or maybe you are just interpreting it that way because you'd rather your child not learn certain things) and it is your job as a parent to raise those issues to the school so that what they teach in school teaches ALL children.


And - MY PERSONAL OPINION HERE - any parent who thinks that allowing your child to participate in school educational assemblies that address those matters would be taking over your parenting - you haven't done your job in the first place. It is our responsibility to teach morals, understanding, values, instill the base, the core of those foundations into our children BEFORE they have to confront such "touchy" matters that have been discussed. Whether it's on the street, in school, from a family member or even a friend. If you want to take your kid out of class because you think it isn't the schools responsibility then you should probably get up and do something because either you are behind by not previously preparing your child for these things or your school is jumping the gun and \you should seriously be discussing whether this is a bad school for your child or maybe just their curriculum needs to be addressed. Again I really want to emphasize that I am specifically talking about children that are at the appropriate mindframe to be discussing these matters and I am in no way implicating that EVERY child is ready when the school brings these issues forward. But at the same time - if your child is able to comprehend long division they are more than likely ready to learn about sex.


I am still waiting for an answer to my questions if someone wouldn't mind answering please...


Do you read all the school books that your children reads to make sure that there won't be a spontaneous discussion about sex, drugs, alcohol, abuse (rape, beating, alcohol or drug), religion, steroid use, homosexuality, etc to make sure that those things can not come up while in an english, socials, gym, history, current events or reading class? And if a discussion were to arise, your child comes home and tells you and asks you about it, would you use this Bill against the teacher for not having put an end to the discussion immediately because you had not had time to prepare your child or choose to take your child out of the class?

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I totally agree with you! Not teaching kids sexual education and science (evolution) is creating a whole generation of ignorant people. Kids are going to grow up and not know about their own bodies, how they function, what makes them feel good? Studies have shown that teaching kids (especially girls) about sex, and not just the practicalities of sex, but actually learning what and where our parts are, and HOW to use them properly through self exploration (yes, masturbation!) leads them to be much more self confident and less likely to engage in sexual activity at a young age. This action actually EMPOWERS the young females because they learn that having an orgasm is not a bad thing, and that it is not a feeling you need from another person. That this feeling is your own. There are so many women out there who don't even know what their own vagina's look like.... it's a shame to have this beautiful body that God gave you and not know what it looks like are how it works. And don't even get me started on the topic of evolution... just give me the hard facts... SCIENCE.

As for religion, I think all schools should teach WORLD Religion, and once again, EMPOWER our youth to make informed decisions for themselves... what kind of world would we live in then? A whole generation of empowered individuals... wow!

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Quoting Shannon Cassidy-:




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I don't get it.
Of all the people that are saying they agree with pulling their children from certain school lessons about sex, homosexuality and religion, you also say that you yourself are teaching your child about these issues and that they can come to you and ask any questions. Well so do I and will continue to do....so what's the problem with the school teaching them the same things? If you yourself have done the responsible parental thing and given your child the information they need, why would you be against the school teaching the same things?
Could it be because you don't want them to be taught opposing views to your own? Because that's what it's sounding like to me.
Unfortunately there are parents that don't have these chats with their kids or do so in a very biased way and those kids need to hear the more tolerant opinions and views about others in our society. If like you parents have said you have had these unbiased chats about sex, homosexuality and other religions, what could you possibly have to be concerned about?







 "So what's the problem with the school teaching them the same things"?








Its not their job to teach Moral values ,  Its your job as  parents.








My boys are little , one has a learning Disabitie and doesn't understand things the way he should. So ya I have a problem with teachers talking to them about personal  stuff that his father and I teach them. 








I  would love to have them wait  until they are married . I want them to save them selves to the women they fall in love with and marry.








Not  to just have sex with a girl because the teacher tells them that its ok.








Yes that does go against my views.  I want them to have Dignity and respect for themselves there is nothing wrong with wanting that for your children.








 








Religion-- I am raising them as Catholics  , if they ever ask me questions about other Religions I will answer them as Honestly as I possibly could, if I can't I will go to someone who could. When they are 18 years old  if they want to follow another Religion as long as its heathy I will give them my Blessing (by healthy I mean  not some weird Cult ,like that Jim Jones one or Wacco Texas One) just Examples.








 



 Homosexuality-- My husband and I don't believe in that ,we believe that Marrige is between man and women.  not man to man or  women to women ,  its not normal behavor . I don't hate  them and I won't let them hate them but I don't want teachers telling them thats normal because its not. I don't like it being dumped on us like we are suppose to just except it. How they live is their business not anybodyelses it should be kept that way.








  There are just some issue's that should be the parents job to teach -and teachers should just butt out of those issue's . Not every Child has the same Religion, some are Catholics, Baptists, Buddests, Muslem , Islam , Jahova Witness or what ever, you don't want to ofend any one Religion so that should be taught where ever they go to learn about their Religions they shouldn 't   signal one Religon out. I heard of  possible  Schools where they have a seperate room for Muslem children to go and Pray at the times that they are suppose to, (I don't  know if that is true or not ) well if they want to keep Prayer out of Schools fine but it should be all Prayer, not one Religion is better then the other  If they don't want Prayer in Schools then they  Shouldn't  Teach about  Religion.  I am not out to Ofend anyone , its just my opion.








 








 









 





 

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Sorry, but up to at least 14, kids don't have that much critical thinking ability. And don't think it's just my children. My daughters were both considered 'gifted and talented' but still showed places where critical thinking wasn't developed enough to deal with somethings. Letting a parent know first is simply smart. Besides, without laws like this one, you end up with things such as happened to my nephew. He came home in 7th grade, and told my sister "I think I learned something today that I shouldn't have." and handed her a folder titled 'Civil Rights Issues" the teacher had been informed by the school board that the extremely liberal sex-ed she was gearing up to teach, would not be allowed, so she'd slid it in under the radar disguised as civil rights. She had acts of beastiality described AND SUPPORTED in the folder. You want YOUR child told that many people have sex with donkeys and find it enjoyable, and here's how to position yourself to do this? or dogs, or....

Somethings my children can be taught, evolution for one, sex ed for another, if I know ahead of time EXACTLY what will be taught. Therefore I can explain the risks of some behaviors and the morals and ethics of every action. That is NEEDED and something the schools are prohibited from doing.

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We wonder why there are so many stupid igronant children in this world. Kids hear more shit on TV, Radio, newpapers,friends than they would ever hear in school. Frankly if a child does not understand why they have a vagina or penis from the time they start playing with it they could probally make a terrible choice later on.

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I agree, there are many things that children need to know in order to be prepared for adult (even young adult) life!!! I feel there would be fewer teen preganancies and less prejudice and ignorance among juveniles. We cannot shelter our children from the reality of the world. Parents choose to tell their children what they want them to hear, rather than the reality of life itself. I would rather know my child can go to a school official for questions and concerns (if they were afraid to discuss such with me), than go to an unknowledged friend or peer.

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I think that is absolutely wrong. Kids aren't old enough to make adult decisions about sex ed, religion or whatever else. It is up to the parent to find out what the topic is about and if what is going to be said meets up with what they would tell their child about that issue. Leave them in school for the day if it is deemed appropriate but if not it should only be the parents choice to take the child out and educate their child themselves when they deem is appropriate to hear said info.



I think children are "exposed" to way too much garbage in the classroom and parents are not doing their jobs by letting someone else "teachers" educate their children on such important issues as sex, religion and other said issues.



As far as the "intellectual" debates on sex and religion, I think your kidding yourself on that one. Parents need to take responsibility for teaching their kids about the most important issues of a persons life. If that happened maybe we would be turning out better adults from these schools.

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I think that is absolutely wrong. Kids aren't old enough to make adult decisions about sex ed, religion or whatever else. It is up to the parent to find out what the topic is about and if what is going to be said meets up with what they would tell their child about that issue. Leave them in school for the day if it is deemed appropriate but if not it should only be the parents choice to take the child out and educate their child themselves when they deem is appropriate to hear said info.



I think children are "exposed" to way too much garbage in the classroom and parents are not doing their jobs by letting someone else "teachers" educate their children on such important issues as sex, religion and other said issues.



As far as the "intellectual" debates on sex and religion, I think your kidding yourself on that one. Parents need to take responsibility for teaching their kids about the most important issues of a persons life. If that happened maybe we would be turning out better adults from these schools.

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Unfortunately the children are the ones who miss out on education,If a parent want their child not to get certain information,fine,but if you deny them the right to pull their child out of that class,what you risk is the parents objecting a certain topic and for them to have the topic omitted from the class,(the entire student body).Our children no longer can recite anything with the mention of God in it,so as not to offend.So my opinion is,Let them take THEIR children out...Let my child have the education I expect and totally appreciate to the fullest. Thank you

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When children stop bringing sex, drugs, alcohol and abuse into the school - that will be when the school will stop having lessons and discussions about those subjects.



I'm sorry to offend, if I do, but I think schools have a responsibility to talk about these things because students are exposed to them with their classmates, the majority of the time, at school.



It's a social place as well as an educational institute. It's where children form life long friendships, and where the majority of children who are actually exposed to the things that are being spoke of. Talking about sex, talking about drugs, talking about boozing and talking about abuse with your mom and dad are one thing but because those things happen in school the school, the adminstration, they address those things.



Bullying, cheating, stealing, are other things the school discusses as well if something happens in the neighbourhood - say there is a car accident and a student dies and the car accident was after a party and the driver was drunk - the school more often than not is going to have an assembly about that with people there to talk to students as a whole and give the offer for students to talk one on one.



I don't think any school or teacher is trying too or even wants to take over the responsibility of raising our children or trying to conform a childs mind and every single lesson/discussion/assembly that I have been too in a school (I used to speak about bullying in schools myself) has been very open minded and never directed one way or another.



I do have a couple questions if someone would be so kind as to answer... do you read all the school books that your children reads to make sure that there won't be a spontaneous discussion about sex, drugs, alcohol, abuse (rape, beating, alcohol or drug), religion, steroid use, homosexuality, etc to make sure that those things can not come up while in an english, socials, gym, history, current events or reading class? And if a discussion were to arise, your child comes home and tells you and asks you about it, would you use this Bill against the teacher for not having put an end to the discussion immediately because you had not had time to prepare your child or choose to take your child out of the class?

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Quoting Ruth:

What about the kids' right to choose what they learn? The kids' right to hear about alternative religions? Which one is the RIGHT one? I'm not religious but I want my child to learn about other people's cultures and faiths so that he can get a balanced idea of how the world is. The only thing I would object to is if a teacher told my son,"this is the absolute truth about how God created the world" - I teach him that's just what some people believe and if you want to believe or disbelieve, that's fine by me. As for sex education, I'm already teaching him now at 4 years old. I'm pregnant and have told him that mams and dads have 'special cuddles' when they love each other and that's how babies are made. Always with the emphasis on loving relationships. He asked me how the baby got in my tummy and I gave him that simple explaination. He was quite happy with that and if he asks me for more information, I'll happily give it to him in am age-appropriate way.
What's the use of shielding children from the realities of the world?


"When he is age appropriate you will give him more info". 



That is the point you being his mother will tell him . I think there are just things that should be left for the Parents they are our children  its their (the teachers ) job to teach basic things  Math , English,  Reading, History, Science,  Gym, Music, Art , what ever else --Religion,  Sex Education should be up to the Parents, Especialy A child like my son whom has a learning Disabilite who proboly won't understand  what they  are saying to him and may become very confused.  If they have questions I will answer them If I can't , I will find someone who could. Religion is very important to me and I want them to know the truth.



At a certain age it  could be left up to the child to decide what he/she wants to hear  but until that apporiate age comes , The decsion should be left up to the  PARENTS.

Michele - posted on 06/11/2009

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I am so glad we decided to homeschool so we don't have to worry about other people and their agendas with our children.

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