claiming childcare expense

Melissa - posted on 01/29/2010 ( 21 moms have responded )

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Have any other mothers experienced the refusal of proper info from daycare provider to claim childcare expense on your taxes? We will be out of quite a chunk of money if we don't and be need it now more than ever. IDK what to do!



So more recently I've found out the daycare is not licensed and I was deceived into believing they were. So if this is the case I have the right to not take my child back without further notice correct?

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CESILEY - posted on 01/29/2010

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I supervise a tax office,and my customer's have this problem a lot. I tell them to gather proof of what they have paid ( receipts,bank statements, canceled checks,ec...) then look up the day care EIN number online. That's all you have to do.

Karin - posted on 01/31/2010

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Please remember that many "private" child care workers do not charge much and, therefore, cannot afford to pay taxes on the income. I know it's not technically "honest", but they would have to charge you alot more to cover the taxes. If they are charging you the "going" rate for public child care, then I would go ahead and file with your proof of payment. However, if you are getting child care for a discount, then you may want to consider her situation, too....

Teresa - posted on 01/29/2010

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I've never have any trouble gaining this information when my 16-year-old was in daycare or more recently for my 5-year-old. My best suggestion to you would be to contact the IRS on their questions phone line. They will best be able to direct you in the proper course of action. Good luck!

Jackie - posted on 01/29/2010

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I would claim it with all the information you have and let them sort it out later!!! You are allowed to claim your childcare expenses and the only reason not to give you the information is because they are hiding taxable income from the govenment.

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Shannon - posted on 01/29/2012

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I am a provider, and I do give my SS# to my clients. My tax prepairer said I needed to.

Susan - posted on 02/02/2010

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man i would be sueing the hell out of her and on the phone with so many places she would be sitting in her empty day care think damn it just would have been easier to give her my ssi number so she could claim me on her taxes, not is she putting your child at risk she is putting the other children at risk, no insurance no guideline no monitoring, wow i would sue her for everything down to her house if i could , sorry things like this really upset me, i have worked with missing and exploited children to long i see :)

Susan - posted on 02/02/2010

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i would and let her take me to court and gather everything you have from the contract to the reciepts to prove your case, because she will take you to court for non payment, what did she did to make you think it was did you have a contract of any sorts?

Iridescent - posted on 01/31/2010

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If she was pretending she was licensed when she wasn't, when taking on care of your children, she broke the law. For future reference a license must be displayed within reasonable view at all times; my day care lady's is hanging on a wall just inside her entry. The same is true for doctors, chiropractors, massage therapists, dentists, psychologists. You need to report this to social services and/or the better business bureau. In addition, she is required to be licensed if she cares for more than one family's children at the same time or over a certain number of children (including her own). If she was pretending to be licensed, was she also charging as much as a licensed provider in your area? If so, you could likely get some of that back if it's worthwhile as well.

Last thing, you have no obligation to bring your children back to her. She was pretending to be licensed, so contracts would be void.

Susan - posted on 01/30/2010

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wow first all you need is there ID number or SSI number to file however if they are not willing to do either then you have little you can do unless they are licended you can go to the city and let them know they are running a unlicenced daycare or even let IRS know the reason most don't want to give you the info you need is becuz they are not claiming the money you give them, however be ready to put your child in another center.,but let the childcare person know that without this info that they are putting you into a hard spot and you will have to notify these agencies of her center and how much you have paid them any checks written or even a contract between you to will work when reporting if this is a friend or realative and you dont want to close them down then let them know you get this much money from your taxes if you file and if they don't want you to file maybe they should come out of pocket when they get there taxes back, sorry girl you are in for a war be strong and please get your child into a new daycare which provides that info on there contact or license

Theresa - posted on 01/29/2010

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If they're refusing to give you the info you need I would report them. Do you have a childcare resource and referral program in your area? Call them and report it. Or call the day care licese office. There must be something wrong that thety won't give you info.

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Ok, I am a licensed in home child care provider. When I got my license they told us that we did NOT have to hand out receipts with our SSN on them. We would still receive our 1099 and we do still have to pay taxes on it. It is up to the provider to apply for a Employer Identification Number, that way they can use that to claim their business on their taxes and they can give that out with their receipts to the parents so they can claim the child care expense. I may not agree with your provider's way of business, but if she is an in home provider she does not have to hand out her SSN nor would I recommend her doing so. I would suggest you have her contact the IRS and obtain an EIN, it is very simple to do and that is the safest way to provide child care receipts to her parents.

Robin - posted on 01/29/2010

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I agree with Teresa. Contact the IRS and ask them what you need to do. If your daycare person needs to provide you with a receipt or a tax ID number and refuses, then yes, I think she is hiding taxable income from the government, and you should blow the whistle on her. She shouldn't be screwing you over just so she doesn't have to pay taxes.

Lara - posted on 01/29/2010

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I was under the impression that as long as you can prove you paid for childcare, you can claim it on your taxes. (I'm in Illinois.) Your tax preparer would need copies of the monthly checks written by you to your childcare provider or the receipts given if you paid cash/cc. Any DC worth its salt should not hesitate to provide you with a receipt of some kind.

Good luck!

Heidi - posted on 01/29/2010

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Just so you know for income tax you do not need the SSN from the care giver. If she is private and gives receipts all you need is the receipt, if she is licensed she has to give you her ID number, but not SSN. I have been doing this for along time and that is all you need to claim child care expenxes. Some of the people that do taxes will tell you they need the SSN, but in reality they don't. You can claim all of your child care expenses without a SSN from the provider, but if she gave you a receipt then she also has to claim it as an income. As long as there is a receipt stating its child care expenses the preparer has to use that not matter what they tell. ITs the law.

Christy - posted on 01/29/2010

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I agree Deborah! I only care for 2-4 children a week and have an understanding with my parents. My rate is exceptionally therefore noone claims it on their taxes. I may have to adjust it this year though. I only had 3 months on my records for last year.

Deborah - posted on 01/29/2010

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My son is almost 4 years old and I have had in 3 diff child care facilites. This last one is a God send. I wish I knew about this facility sooner. It is well worth the $1,000.00 a month tuition. Yes it is expensive, but what this facility has to offer is m ore then child care. it's pre school, the facility is extremely clean and well organized, the teachers are exceptional in what they do, I have no doubt in my mind that this is the best place for my son, he has friends and Ive met some wonderful families, I can go on the internet and see what he's doing in his classroom anytime I want, they have their own cook and all meals and snacks are included. Were talking fresh fruits and Veg for snacks healthy lunches9 not hot dogs) or pizza.. sometimes they make meatloafs. Veg and fruit and milk on every lunch tray. and my favoriate part is the kids wash their hands with soap and water not the hand sanitizer stuff. I can't say enough about this place.. and Im going to cry when it's time for him to go to first grade. Id love to take the teachers with him. The place is called Kiddie Academy. It's a franchise and you can look them up on the internet.. Wonderful place! Good Luck

Deborah - posted on 01/29/2010

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If the child care facility is a licensed facility it is by law that if you request and (put it in writing) you need the expense sheet for the year you are filing taxes for, they have until Jan 31st to give you that info. If it is a home run business and they have 5 or more children also by law they have to give you a receipt for expenses. Anything over 600.00 a year MUST be accounted for and if the child care facility or home you may be using is not helping you then FIND A WAY OUT! then it looks as if they are out for the money and not looking out for the best intrest of your child. Red Flag in my opinion.

Danielle - posted on 01/29/2010

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Christy is right by law the daycare center is required by law to give the number to tax resons. and if they dont you can actually fight this and go to her boss even if that means the state or closing her down.

Christy - posted on 01/29/2010

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If it's an actual daycare center they are requried by law to provide proper documentation of exactly how much you spent on childcare for the year!

Melissa - posted on 01/29/2010

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Heidi, I gave the tax preparer the receipt my daycare provider gave me. The tax preparer told me the only thing that was lacking was the ssn or tax identification number. Otherwise we are all good to go, however I've asked my daycare provider for this info and she refused.

Heidi - posted on 01/29/2010

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I am a licensed Home Child Care Provider for the Region of Waterloo, and for Tax season I always give out receipts for the entire to the parents. As long as the registration number is on the receipt there shouldn't be a problem. I have been doing this for almost 9 years and have never come across anything like what you are talking about. I do know some people won't give out receipts and if they dont you can not claim child care expenses. That is the reason why you should take your kids to someone that is either licensed or willing to give out receipts.

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