Does anyone believe that an unborn baby has a right to live?

Babette - posted on 06/04/2012

Abortion stops a beating heart...enough said. Every baby, no matter what, has a right to life!

Jessica - posted on 06/04/2012

i couldnt agree with you more Michelle. every baby has the right to live!!

Sarah - posted on 06/04/2012

AMEN GIRL!!!! Im 9 wks prego an couldnt imagine doing that even tho i know im gonna b a single mom I still couldnt do it. Even if my child has down syndrome or anything else.

Celeste - posted on 06/04/2012

Amen!!!@Jaime McKown

Alexandra - posted on 06/04/2012

Michelle, I believe every mother has the right to choose, under any circumstances, to have a baby or not. It is nobody else's business.
I, personally, would not have a child with any kind of disability. Neither a child product of rape or abuse.
This is a touchy subject, of course, it will always be. But I think ultimately the choice is your and everybody should accept it.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/04/2012

But Jaime, what if you don't believe in God? Ok so some Atheists and Agnostics are also against abortions, but they don't really believe in God, they just don't like the idea.



Sometimes it's a lot more than a diety that you can't prove exists that you need. There in lies the issue.

Jaime - posted on 06/04/2012

My husband and I believe that all babies, once conceived have a soul and if they were not meant to be born God would see to it. But to have an abortion would be against God. No one is born perfect, and so who has the right to say which babies should live and which should die?

God does not give you more then you can handle...it is up to you whether to use the strength and guidance he gives you.

Celeste - posted on 06/04/2012

I can't imagine being pregnant and finding out that my unborn child will be born with a disease. I'm sure a lot of people may struggle with the decision of whether to have the baby or abort it. I don't believe in abortion so I would just have to endure whatever lifes journey takes me and stay true to my belief that every baby has a right to life.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 06/04/2012

Yikes grammar. But ah well normal is just a cycle on the washing machine.

My older daughter has ADHD, my baby doesn't like to sleep and I find it hard to cope with that! I honestly can't imagine coping with a severe mental or physical disability 24/7 (along with the constant changing of the home care aides) I've been a care aide and have taken care of both people who were born with disabilities and people who ended up with disabilities. It's hard, there is a lot you have to do and give up being able to do. And no not everyone is financially able to take care of everything. Especially not if the GOP has their way with America's fucked up health care system. It's not easy for everyone to take care of physically and mentally disabled people. And you aren't selfish for not being able to do it.

An abortion is a legal choice, one that I hope I will never have to make. I have a friend who did make that choice simply because she didn't believe she was ready to have a child and I still want to ask her why she didn't try to have the baby or give it up for adoption.

As for adoption I can't speak for myself but I'm sure it's very hard. Maybe in some ways or for some people it's harder than having an abortion because you know that your baby is still out there and you don't know how he or she is doing. My mom gave me up for adoption when I was 3 days old and she was 18 years old. And I have bi-polar and ADD so I know I wasn't an easy child.

Also as someone else stated, it's all well and good to say give the disabled child up for adoption, but it's not very likely that disabled child will find an adoptive family quickly. It's more likely that the child will be in foster home after foster home or a group home.

Donna - posted on 06/04/2012

Michelle L. - taking the life of an unborn child - who may or may not have a disease is NOT the same as taking the life of someone who was born normal and gets sick and can't take care of themselves. I don't think my husband and daughter would want my life terminated now that I am chronically ill and will die from what I've got going on. What you are proposing is not the same thing, you have it all wrong. It's not that simple, either, to give up a special needs infant for adoption, and if the birth mother doesn't want the child, what makes you think someone else would? While I'm not one to go have an abortion for myself, I don't think it is up to me to tell someone what they should do with their body/fetus. I don't know if it is right or wrong, but not something I would choose for myself, personally. I believe everyone needs to make that choice for themselves and I don't believe anyone has the right to tell others what to do with their own bodies.
It's no one else's business what people do for themselves, in the privacy of their own homes, etc. If they aren't personally related to you, then what you think doesn't matter.

Brandy - posted on 06/04/2012

I feel that trying to rationalize the decision to abort is a natural thing to do but I personally feel that it is wrong on every level. You are intentionally ending a human life (no matter how young or small) and in my eyes it is the same thing as if you were to pull the trigger on someone that has already been born.
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There isn't anything to rationalize...it is what it is. Your feelings are emotional responses. What is natural is thinking with our feelings because we are emotional creatures. You can feel that it is wrong. You are in turn rationalizing why women shouldn't abort based on your feelings. But science and logic disagree with you that it is the same as murdering a human being. This is exactly why we cannot base our laws on feelings. Feelings cannot prove that a fetus is viable outside the womb. Science can prove that up to a certain age, it is not...thus making it solely an extension of the mother...nothing more. You can feel that it is the same thing as murdering a newborn...proving it is something else entirely.

Krista - posted on 06/04/2012

I feel that trying to rationalize the decision to abort is a natural thing to do but I personally feel that it is wrong on every level. You are intentionally ending a human life (no matter how young or small) and in my eyes it is the same thing as if you were to pull the trigger on someone that has already been born.

Ash - posted on 06/04/2012

Im not sure if your saying this cause your in this position... but if anyone can afford to smoke, drink alc, buy takeaways then the excuse for financial reasons is just being bad people.

Those that i know with special children seem to have the most filled rich lives.

Krista - posted on 06/04/2012

Keep in mind that a lot of us, when talking about aborting a child with severe disabilities, are NOT talking about mild Down Syndrome, or a minor physical impairment. We're not talking about the type of disability that would require our child to live in an assisted living situation as an adult. We're talking about extremely severe deformities or disabilities -- ones that would basically result in the child having little to no quality of life.

We're not saying that those children SHOULD be aborted. However, we can understand why some women WOULD make that decision, if they do not have the physical, fiscal, emotional, familial or geographical resources to take on such a Herculean task.

Delores - posted on 06/04/2012

Please everyone spell your words.

Delores - posted on 06/04/2012

Girl, you spell like a third grader or less. This is not tweeting or texting. Please write like an adult if you are one. Don't insult us please.

Jill - posted on 06/04/2012

Without getting into the abortion debate, Down syndrome is not a disease! It is a disability. I am pro-choice and have a beautiful six year old daughter who has Down syndrome.

Brandy - posted on 06/04/2012

I don't agree with it and I think if u are just gonna about a child if it is healthy or not then you should us better precautions and not get pregnant in the first place !!! It is then in both the person and the unborn child's Intrests that way !!!
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However, we do not possess future information such as if a conceived child will be healthy or not. I agree that women shouldn't just go out, have sex, get pregnant, then abort without a second thought. But if a pregnancy, planned or unplanned, results in a child that will not be healthy, a mother has every right to decide to abort based on her circumstances - can she afford the care of a special needs child; how will it affect her marriage (if married), and her other children (if she has other children); how will it affect her physical and emotional health? There are so many questions...and until an individual is put into that circumstance, we do not know how we will deal with it. You were able to deal with it in a way that allowed you to keep and care for your child. Not all women will have the same circumstances as you.

Rebecca - posted on 06/04/2012

I agree that people should make their own choices and I didn't mean 2 make it sound like I was telling people what 2 do but I don't agree with it and I think if u are just gonna about a child if it is healthy or not then you should us better precautions and not get pregnant in the first place !!! It is then in both the person and the unborn child's Intrests that way !!!

Shermona - posted on 06/04/2012

Wow, lets have the oldest conversation since the chicken and the egg. The question has been asked several times about why a woman's right out weighs an unborn child. There is no simple answer. I personally want anyone telling me what I have to do. I want my choices that I go through life with to be my own. I believe children are gifts, particularly if they are wanted. Adoption doesn't always work out. I have seen many of what I call failed adoptions, and it is the child that pays the price. You play, you pay. That is what I was taught. I love my children and one is not "perfectly healthy". There are a lot of throw away kids in this country. When the kid isn't cute and cuddly and instead are defiant and hateful. Who adopts troubled kids? People only want babies and think that they can pick them out like produce. I realize a lot of this is religious, but like Jesus said, Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone.

Brandy - posted on 06/04/2012

If I can cope having a disabled baby and a healthy baby at the age of 19 why can't other people it's a joke it really is I have been told that if I have another baby it is a 50/50 chance that the baby will have down syndrome but I still want another baby in a couple of years I love my babies no matter WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!
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YOU may be able to cope...and that's great! It's fantastic that you are able to give your children what they need, and at such a young age, too! My hats off to you! BUT...you have no right to step into someone else's life and make such a life-changing decision for them. I assure you, for most women, abortion is NOT a joke and IS used as a last resort. You, and some others here, need to understand what "quality of life" means. If a mother cannot provide for their child what it needs for a quality life, then abortion may be the best option. You chose to keep your baby, and to devote the time a special care child needs. Again, that's great! But other people may not be able to do so. A child should not be brought into this world if it cannot receive the proper care, just because you and others believe termination is wrong. Unless you can walk in everyone's shoes who has to make the decision to abort, you have no say in their life. You may not agree with their decision, but it is theirs to make. You made yours...it's only right for everyone to have the same choice.

Stifler's - posted on 06/04/2012

I agree it's really not that easy to 'just give the baby up for adoption' I assume you've had kids since you're on this site how would you feel if you really didn't want a baby but you're there giving birth and then you either don't hold the baby at all or you hold them, love them, then give them away. Abortion isn't easy either but I can see adopting out being a whole lot harder.

Rebecca - posted on 06/04/2012

I am only 20 years of age and I have a so called healthy child (aged2) and I also have a baby who has down syndrome heart conditions, deaf, allergies it is not a disease it is a disability and I love my baby and I would not change her for the world she is my perfect princess she get treated just the same as my other daughter I do not treat her any different just because she has a dissability.
I got asked every 4 weeks when I was pregnant if I wanted an abortion and I said no every time why can't a down syndrome child have a good quality of life all they need is love attention and support.!!!! It really makes me angry that people can just abort a baby healthy or not !!!!! If I can cope having a disabled baby and a healthy baby at the age of 19 why can't other people it's a joke it really is I have been told that if I have another baby it is a 50/50 chance that the baby will have down syndrome but I still want another baby in a couple of years I love my babies no matter WHAT !!!!!!!!!!!

Johnny - posted on 06/04/2012

Actually, Jacqueline, I'm not sure if you skipped a lot of posts, but there have been many posters on this thread that have stated that "You never know how you will react or what you will do until you are in the same situation" in one way or another. There is a lot of understanding here that we each make our own choices and should have the support to do so. Obviously that belief is not universal, an abortion debate is never a good place for positivity, but I don't think it has been that nasty or universally unsupportive of women going through difficult decisions.

Jacqueline - posted on 06/04/2012

Wow - it's no wonder some women feel they have no where to go.
There certainly is no advice here - just judging and finger-pointing.
You never know how you will react or what you will do until you are in the same situation.
And if you've never been in a situation where you had to choose - count yourself lucky.
How about we try to support these women - not judge them...

Brandy - posted on 06/04/2012

I believe that an unborn baby has a right to live. Why does a woman have more rights than the unborn child? By the way when someone gets pregnant, they usually say, "I'm going to have a baby, not there is a fetus inside of me"
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That's fine for you to believe that. As long as your beliefs don't take away the rights of others, you are free to have them. Like I stated before, the unborn "child" is an extension of the mother. Without the mother, it couldn't survive. Therefore, it cannot have any more rights than than the mother, and ultimately why the mother has more rights. Stop looking at it from an emotional point of view and look at it from a scientific point of view. It's easier to understand why a mother would terminate a pregnancy when you take your emotions out of it. Be emotional when it comes to your body, if you want. But be scientific when it comes to others bodies and choices.
Yes, we say we're going to have a baby, not a fetus. That's the human emotion standing out. We don't think about the science when we get pregnant...it's a very emotional experience. That is part of the reason why I was very much pro-life when I was younger...and very much pro-choice now. I can now separate the emotion from the science. You can say and do what you want with your body. Let others do the same with theirs, even if you don't agree with their choice.

Brandy - posted on 06/04/2012

A few weeks ago I heard on the radio how some were trying to mandate that the woman see her baby on an ultrasound and describe in detail the baby. They wanted to show the woman pictures and let the woman hear the baby's heartbeat before she decided, then knowing they did all they could, continue.

Interesting...maybe this would lead to more adoptions than abortions???
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That's all fine and good if the mother wants to see and hear. However, she should not be forced to. The decision to abort is already a tough, heart-wrenching one is most cases. It doesn't need to be compounded and prolonged even more by doing every possible thing to stall what the woman inevitably wants. These laws are all about slowing taking a woman's right to abortion away. It's like the old frog in the fire saying. Put a frog in a hot pan, it'll jump out quickly. Put a frog in a cold pan and slowly heat it up and it'll stay, not realizing the temperature is raising and slowly be cooked to death. That's what these laws are trying to accomplish. Outright ban abortion, you'll have a mob of angry women after you. But...if you slowly start implementing changes that are for the "greater good" that doesn't seem to be harmful and actually seem to help, who's going to notice until it's too late that, years down the road, suddenly abortion has been banned again. Like others have said, the key to less abortions is educating the public before a pregnancy starts. Once the woman is already pregnant and has her mind made up, delaying what she has already decided to do is only compounding the rights she has to do it.

Susan - posted on 06/04/2012

I have a son who was born with a congenital heart defect. I cannot imagine not having him in my life. I also know many children and adults with disabilities and I am so glad that they are on this earth. Children come with no guarantees-some are born healthy and others are not. Some children who are born without a disability later are in a car wreck or get encephalitis and have a brain injury that disables them. I believe that an unborn baby has a right to live. Why does a woman have more rights than the unborn child? By the way when someone gets pregnant, they usually say, "I'm going to have a baby, not there is a fetus inside of me"

Laura - posted on 06/04/2012

I am against abortion personally but your argument that if a mother doesn't want the baby, she should simply give it away isn't as simple as it sounds. While there is a huge demand for healthy white babies, the very very sad truth is there is not as much demand for minority and disabled children. When a 12 year old girl gets pregnant and her mom is ready to throw her out on the street because of it should she be forced to carry it to term. What about the woman or young girl who is brutally raped or a victim of horrendous incest? Should they be forced to carry the child? Personally I could never have an abortion under any circumstances but every woman has their own life to lead, their own choices to make and live with and their own life circumstances. I am in no way qualified to substitute my own judgement for theirs. God gives humans free will for a reason. We all have to live with the consequences of our own decisions and we will one day be judged by Him...not each other.

Krystal - posted on 06/04/2012

I don't look at early abortion as "killing a baby." Sorry. I beleive (as well as many in the medical community) that it's preventing a group of cells from developing into a baby. Sapphire has some very intelligent points, as well that I hope some of you take to heart.

As someone who's pro-choice, with children (one of whom is disabled) I can honestly say - if it's not my situation, it's NOT MY BUSINESS.

Sherri - posted on 06/04/2012

Sorry Liz you are right I have corrected my post.

Johnny - posted on 06/04/2012

Despite the fact that I would not terminate a pregnancy if I was carrying a baby with Down's Syndrom, I did undergo the genetic testing. At least the blood tests and ultrasounds. There are also physical components to Down's Syndrom which are best dealt with if prepared to treat in advance. Sometimes the heart defects that accompany this condition can now be fixed by surgery in utero or can be done immediately after birth to avoid complications.

If my baby has this syndrome, I want to give it every chance at a healthy, happy, long life. Being prepared with the knowledge of what is going on will give my baby it's best chance. I will not undergo the amnio, due to the risk of miscarriage, but I have been told that it is not always necessary to diagnose the various heart and other conditions that go with Down's Syndrome. I would only consider doing the amnio if given a high probability of a severe condition that could cause the baby to die in utero or to suffer great pain. Even if you would never abort, it is no reason to avoid knowing at least the potential. It can give your baby a better chance.

Amy - posted on 06/04/2012

My opinion, and its only my OPINION, is abortions are going to happen whether they are legal or not. The only advantage to have them legal is they can be regulated and it keeps women safe.
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You are very right, whether the happen in a clinic or in the dirty backyard of some friend, it will happen.
A few weeks ago I heard on the radio how some were trying to mandate that the woman see her baby on an ultrasound and describe in detail the baby. They wanted to show the woman pictures and let the woman hear the baby's heartbeat before she decided, then knowing they did all they could, continue.

Interesting...maybe this would lead to more adoptions than abortions???

Liz - posted on 06/04/2012

"@Liz - #1 even all the specialists I saw refer to it as a form of mental retardation. So I am quite definitely using the proper terminology. I sorry it offends you but that is what it is called here.



Also we would not be able to ever have afforded a home such as you describe, More likely then not my child would have ended up in a state run nursing home as that is what our state pays for. That is no way where I want my child to be. "

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You directed your post at me, but I believe you meant to direct it at Angela Barker. I agree with you and was quoting Angela's post, hence where I think the confusion arose. If you read my post again, you'll hopefully see that my argument is fairly similar to yours in this regard, including the cost of and access to homes of the standard that Angela describes.



I also agree that 'mental retardation' is a clinical term. Angela told us both off for using the words 'mentally handicapped' and 'retard'. I didn't use either term and find both unacceptable. You did use the words 'mentally handicapped', but I didn't think you meant to be offensive.

Amy - posted on 06/04/2012

Or do you fear that knowledge may make you question your own stance on the issue?
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Nope. I just turned down whatever that test is called to see if I'm carrying a downs baby. If my baby is, it is, if not, it's not. My babys heartbeat was a beautiful sound today! 16 wks tomorrow with our fourth!!

Krista - posted on 06/04/2012

A Doctor trie to get my friend to abort her twins because they were considered change of life babies and would probably have problems and down sendrum.

I'm highly doubtful that any reputable doctor would recommend termination without even doing genetic testing to determine if there actually ARE problems.

T. Maenad - posted on 06/04/2012

Honestly, I believe that is most definitely not up to me to decide this for someone else. I have not walked in your shoes, and thus cannot and should not decide this for you. Abortion has always been with us and will probably always be with us. It is not a decision to be made lightly. If you truly believe in a "judgement day" then you should perhaps be patient and allow the consequences as you believe them to exist to play out. Unless you are willing to assume the physical risk and the cost of rearing the child, then the imposition of your will on others is unfair and unwelcome.

After listening to many anti-abortion arguments, I come away feeling that the life of the woman involved comes last, that we are considered mere vessels, and our life is forfeit when weighed against that of a fetus.

This decision is best left in the hands of the woman involved, her partner (if it was consensual), and the woman's medical provider.

Denise - posted on 06/04/2012

I do not believe abortion is wrong. I believe quality of life trumps all. That goes for both the fetus that has to endure a lifetime of problems and for other children in the household who are already alive and will have to lose out on a lot because of the demands of a disabled sibling.

I too support assisted consentual euthanasia, and I do not think that a fetus has the same rights as a being that exists outside of utero.

If you don't like abortion, remember, it is a symptom of a greater, far-reaching set of problems. If you want to stop abortion, you don't ban it. You educate people about reproductive health and make birth control free and accessible to all people. You fight for better resources for single mothers, the disabled, and push for a better economy overall.

There is a lot of overlap between people who are against abortion but also against the social welfare programs that make it possible for people to care for the result of an accidental pregnancy. Sad, no?

Russett - posted on 06/04/2012

A Doctor trie to get my friend to abort her twins because they were considered change of life babies and would probably have problems and down sendrum. She decided that if God allowed her to get pregnant at this time in her life then she was to have these babies. If they had something wrong with them then God intended for her to care for them . Needless to say she had the twins and both were very healthy. Just goes to show Doctors are not God and they do not know every thing.

Jen - posted on 06/04/2012

There are genetic tests now that detect my condition; I refused these tests while pregnant with my children. There are genetic tests now that detect my condition; I refused these tests while pregnant with my children.
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Now this I dont' get. Be anti-abortion to your hearts' content but why not get the testing so that if your child did have xyz condition, you can prepare for it in advance, learn about it before it actually comes, etc.

Or do you fear that knowledge may make you question your own stance on the issue?

Krista - posted on 06/04/2012

Leann, you and Jen are talking past each other, methinks.

Jen is basically saying that it's funny that a lot of people are okay with terminating ectopic pregnancies, because they are not viable, but that they're NOT okay with terminating non-ectopic (i.e. regular) pregnancies that may be no more viable (such as with anencephaly, for example...)

Jen - posted on 06/04/2012

Not arguing, explaining to the uneducated a baby cannot be carried in a falopian tube and survive, some of these women seem to think this is possible
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And clearly Leann, you don't understand what I'm saying. I'm talking about viability! If a baby is not viable in the tube (which it isn't and I fully understand that) and it's ok to kill it before it dies on it's own, then it is OK to do the same to a baby in womb who had little chance to be viable or will likely die within hours of being born.

I"m saying it's the same thing but clearly some people want to view it differently.

Sherri - posted on 06/04/2012

@Angela - #1 even all the specialists I saw refer to it as a form of mental retardation. So I am quite definitely using the proper terminology. I am sorry it offends you but that is what it is called here.



Also we would not be able to ever have afforded a home such as you describe, More likely then not my child would have ended up in a state run nursing home as that is what our state pays for. That is no way I want my child to have to live out its life.

Jen - posted on 06/04/2012

Sorry Jen, you are incorrect. The two are nothing alike, one is a choice and the other is a medical necessity.
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Ah but no Leann, it's not. You could do as they do in El Salvador where abortion laws prohibit terminating ectopic pregnancies until a sonogram shows there is no more fetal heartbeat. Then they can remove it. It is illegal up to that point because their lawmakers believe there is no reason to kill that baby before its time.

Jen - posted on 06/04/2012

What are you going on about Leann?
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Leann just isn't getting my point either because she doesn't understand it or willfully ignoring it. One I can understand, the other not so much.

Liz - posted on 06/04/2012

[Editing to add asterisks around the portions of Angela's post that I am quoting, as this seems to have led to confusion.]



***"Sherri Champagne & Liz H – I don’t know what you mean when you mention “institutional care” or a “home” for disabled adults when you talk about older parents and disabled children. I work in a home for disabled people. We support people with a variety of disabilities, some have physical disabilities, some have learning disabilities. And by the way please, never – ever use the term “mentally handicapped” or “retard” – those are dreadful words!"***



I've never used those dreadful words, nor would I ever. I'm offended that you put this admonition in a paragraph that you head with my name in order to address it to me (and Sherri).



I'm a qualified nurse, though I do not work as one in the USA, and have worked in Britain in many such places for years myself, caring for both adults and younger people with a range of disabilities and diseases. I'm not sure what you don't understand about the idea of institutional care or a 'home'; perhaps this is a difference in cultural vocabulary. Where I come from any communal care facility is called a home. It's institutional care if it's not the person's own home. Therefore a communal care facility where a _severely_ disabled person would most definitely end up if they had no family to care for them in their own home is exactly both of those things: institutional and a home. It is also most definitely where a child of mine would end up if _severely_ disabled (which is the specific term that I used), once I had passed away, hence my statement of choice for an abortion in circumstances where that degree of disability could be predicted with certainty (e.g. full karyotype confirming severe chromosomal disorder).



***"Some are only mildly disabled, some are profoundly disabled. In no way would I regard my workplace as an institution. It’s a proper house that our residents (whom we call “tenants”) enjoy living in. It’s what’s known as a supported living establishment. The tenants help select the furniture etc … they go out and choose their own clothing and other stuff they might spend their money on. They do chores around the home, help with cooking, laundry etc "***



As I said, I'm extremely familiar with these kinds of arrangements. When I say 'severely disabled', I am not talking about a level of disability in the slightest bit compatible with this level of quality of life. I'm talking about disability like that experienced by people like the 40 year old that I once nursed, who was brain damaged at the age of two due to meningitis and thereafter lived out his days unable to communicate, move with any degree of control or precision available to someone older than 6 months, eat, or in fact do anything at all except sleep, poop and be fed through a PEG tube, whilst drooling, totally unable to recognise anyone or anything.



I've seen several adults who were this severely disabled when born, who ended up in the same situation at various ages when one or both parents passed away.



***" It can hardly be called putting your child into an institution!"***



I was not referring to either your particular facility nor the level of disability that your facility caters for.



I most emphatically did not need your lecture.



ETA: The facility where you work sounds lovely indeed and the sort of place that _should_ demonstrate the minimum standard of care, but having seen a wide variety of places available in the decades that I have been working in healthcare, I am afraid that I'm well aware that this is not the standard and is in fact the exception. I have seen perhaps two out of several hundred facilities in Britain in which I would actually have been comfortable leaving a relative of mine and I would not have access to the kind of finances necessary to top up government funding to that sort of level.

Jenni - posted on 06/04/2012

I'm a big supporter on prevention as opposed to restriction. Making birth control easily obtainable and affordable, sexual education, information and education on other options in an unwanted pregnancy and support for mothers in difficult situations; financial, mental, physical, addiction problems etc.

Beth - posted on 06/04/2012

There are a lot of other reasons that women have abortions, and while I don't think I personally could ever have one, I'm not about to start deciding for other women what they can and can't do. The only way you can say something is fully right or fully wrong is if it is a completely black or white issue, and the abortion issue is quite grey.

Jenni - posted on 06/04/2012

I must say Michelle, 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions absolutely break my heart but they are extremely rare and I believe in the vast majority of cases are only done for acute medical reasons. I don't think you will find a woman on this planet who gets to the late 2nd-3rd trimester and suddenly says: "Screw this, pregnancy sucks abort me!"



They are usually performed when risk of death is imminent. In my country Canada, we are one of three (I believe) countries where there are no criminal laws on abortion, whatsoever. It is a decision entirely between patient and doctor. A fetus/baby does not have legal rights until they leave the womb. However, we have relatively low cases of abortion compared to all other developed countries that possess criminal laws against abortion and our rate of abortions past 22 weeks is at par with countries that do have restrictions on term abortions. The vast majority, 98% of abortions are preformed before 14 weeks. This is for the simple fact that you will be hard pressed to find any mother or doctor who will agree to a late term abortion unless it is medically necessary to save the life of the mother.

Michelle - posted on 06/04/2012

Angel Barker,
I understand what you are coming from about a baby being born dead and donating parts to help another innocent baby. What I was trying to get across is that it has happened in the past of women aborting their babies at term. I does still happen, not all of the states in the u.s. has pasted it. The doctors do suck the brains out of the baby before the baby is born. So, therefore it is diagnosis that it is born dead. See where I am getting at. Those babies are being used for body parts. The mothers didn't want the child at all. I understand if a mother has a baby normally and donates the body parts. I see that point of view, but not for someone who actually aborts baby and donates parts. Cause that has and does happen.