DRINKING ALCOHOL DURING PREGNANCY BENEFICIAL?

Amanda - posted on 04/30/2009 ( 325 moms have responded )

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I have heard lots of controversy here on circle of moms over the last couple of weeks as to weather or not alcohol during pregnancy is harmful or beneficial. One person keeps telling me it is the norm for people to have the occasional drink while pregnant and most people do drink while pregnant and I have always been told that there is no safe amount and to completely abstain from any and all alcoholic beverages.
This really has me thinking and curious about what other mothers thought on this topic.
So I want to know does the majority drink while pregnant, is this the new norm Or is this person who told me everyone does it just mis informed.
Are we going to be seeing pamphlets in the doctors office telling us to drink to benefit our children?

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Jessie - posted on 05/02/2009

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and one of these facts you speak of is that we do not know the "limits" of an unborn baby. and what moderation is to a baby, because just because a mother can "hold her liquor" that does not mean that her unborn baby can. plain and simple, how can anyone argue even that it "could" be beneficial when there are so many unknowns in pregnancy Especially when a baby is going through critical brain development and all other important development for that matter during pregnancy so anyone who would risk it simply because their "may" be benefits are in my opinion reckless.

Jaime - posted on 05/02/2009

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(in response to Jessie): Show us your proof that there are "definitely no beneficial effects"...I hesitate to think that you will find any! And your argument falls short of making sense when you try to defend your points while leaving out crucial parts of the debate. 'Moderation' is perhaps the key word to understanding the 'benefits' side vs. the abstinance side. IF one drink might intoxicate a woman of small build, it is then her responsibility to be informed about what her limits are regardless of being pregnant or not. I feel that any woman that knows she can't tolerate alcohol, likely would choose not to partake during pregnancy. However, if she did abuse alcohol (as would be the case if one drink intoxicates her) then she could be faced with some possible consequences...this much we all know. A decision like this has to be made as an informed decision, where people understand the possible consequences but also consider the possible benefits. How can you make a confident decision without knowing all the facts?!

Jessie - posted on 05/02/2009

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these babies don't even have formed organs, how on earth is it going to help their function? and one drink may not hurt an adult, but just like one drink may not effect a 200lb man, but that same drink will completely incapacitate a 110lb woman , there is absolutely no way we can know what the effects are on the baby and definitely not beneficial effects!

Jaime - posted on 05/02/2009

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Quoting Jessie:

I think that anyone who tries to say that it is beneficial is very ignorant and is just searching for an excuse to justify their drinking, if you can't stop drinking for 9 months for the benefit of your child you shouldn't be a mother, I am sorry, but really what benefit does alcohol have on an adult? none, so why would anyone think that it would be beneficial to a child, let alone an unborn child!? It is not safe to drink while being pregnant plain and simple!


 



The root word of ignorance is 'ignore'...that being said, YOU are ignoring the fact that there ARE proven benefits to drinking alcohol--in moderation.  The tanins in red wine are very good for the body and help to promote healthy organ function (specifically kidneys and liver).  Excessive drinking, however; can have very damaging effects on the body...as does most things that are done to excess.  Beer also contains a bunch of really healthy ingredients and can be beneficial to the body as well...but again, drinking a 2-4 of budweiser is not going to yeild healthy results--this is where the question of excess comes into play.  It's not going to do much good to hold the belief that 'Mothers that can't stop drinking for nine months shouldn't be parents' because that is a cop out...really you are just trying to hammer your point into the social ground of acceptability vs. unacceptability but you are not very convincing about it.

Jessie - posted on 05/02/2009

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and to the parents who say that they had normal births after drinking throughout their pregnancies, when you are pregnant your child is developing not only physically but mentally also, you have no idea what kind of mental defects your child has like autism, ADHD, or any other social disorder because of what you did when your child was in your womb. so simply because your child doesn't seem to have any affect you won't truely know what kind of consequences your baby will have to deal with later in life because of your choices when you were pregnant

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Quoting Kate:



Quoting Melissa:

i saw a post about the tests coming back negative and so this lady still kept drinking and then worried afterwards. im still late but my fiance made me do a test and it was negative so sice they are 99% accurate i feel safe to drink more amount of alchohol now over the weekend where as before even on my birthday my inlaws didnt understand why i would not drink more then one glass of wine





You need to be very careful. It's more common to get a false negative than a false positive. 





 



if its after your due date it is supposed to be so accurate isnt it? ive done about 3 tests all negative but im wondering why ive missedmy period if i have missed it because i havent had this since ive had my daughter. but i think if i actually was pregnant i would know due to morning sickness etc and my partner knows my body and says to me your not pregnant it was just wishful thinking so im just accepting that now and waiting.

Jessie - posted on 05/02/2009

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I think that anyone who tries to say that it is beneficial is very ignorant and is just searching for an excuse to justify their drinking, if you can't stop drinking for 9 months for the benefit of your child you shouldn't be a mother, I am sorry, but really what benefit does alcohol have on an adult? none, so why would anyone think that it would be beneficial to a child, let alone an unborn child!? It is not safe to drink while being pregnant plain and simple!

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Quoting Angela:

never mind studies its rubbish a baby does not need any booze in its body they dont have a choice but us mums do would u let a chid drink at the age of 10 no we would b mad so why do it when a baby is being carried in our bodies.






Never mind studies?  Scientific studies are what appear to be the driving force behind the popular opinion of "abstinance" from alcohol while pregnant, so how can they be rubbish.  And because there are studies to determine the damaging effects of alcohol on a fetus, there should be studies to determine what could be an acceptable amount for those that do enjoy a glass every now and then.  Also, lets not forget the culturally relativistic side of the debate...in some countries having a glass of wine with dinner is just as normal as having a glass of milk in our country.  If there have been studies to determine that drinking in moderation (moderation being determined  by a health professional as society has differing views of what this amount should be) is not harmful to a fetus, then why is everyone so concerned with risk?  This idea of playing Russian roulette with our children is just absurd because as someone else also mentioned in an earlier post, pain meds during labour can have adverse effects on a fetus...but I believe that a Mother should not be chastised for her choice to use them if she feels the need.  You also quoted "would you let a child drink at the age of 10"...if you lived in Europe the legal drinking age is 12...what say you now?  This again, is not a question of right or wrong.  It always comes down to choice.  Amanda is a lobbiest for abstinance because of her extensive work with children that suffer from FAS and other developmental disabilities, so I believe her opinion to be very close-minded when discussing a topic that she is already biased about.  When you ask for other people's opinions you have to be ready to consider both sides of the argument...that is how a discussion works.  While it may be a relief for Amanda to read a majority of the threads in support of her opinion, she leaves out the fact that many of these Mothers have admitted to drinking while pregnant, so although they may not 'recommend' drinking to another Mother...they are certainly not against this idea.






Thank you.

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Quoting Jaime:



Quoting Angela:

never mind studies its rubbish a baby does not need any booze in its body they dont have a choice but us mums do would u let a chid drink at the age of 10 no we would b mad so why do it when a baby is being carried in our bodies.






Never mind studies?  Scientific studies are what appear to be the driving force behind the popular opinion of "abstinance" from alcohol while pregnant, so how can they be rubbish.  And because there are studies to determine the damaging effects of alcohol on a fetus, there should be studies to determine what could be an acceptable amount for those that do enjoy a glass every now and then.  Also, lets not forget the culturally relativistic side of the debate...in some countries having a glass of wine with dinner is just as normal as having a glass of milk in our country.  If there have been studies to determine that drinking in moderation (moderation being determined  by a health professional as society has differing views of what this amount should be) is not harmful to a fetus, then why is everyone so concerned with risk?  This idea of playing Russian roulette with our children is just absurd because as someone else also mentioned in an earlier post, pain meds during labour can have adverse effects on a fetus...but I believe that a Mother should not be chastised for her choice to use them if she feels the need.  You also quoted "would you let a child drink at the age of 10"...if you lived in Europe the legal drinking age is 12...what say you now?  This again, is not a question of right or wrong.  It always comes down to choice.  Amanda is a lobbiest for abstinance because of her extensive work with children that suffer from FAS and other developmental disabilities, so I believe her opinion to be very close-minded when discussing a topic that she is already biased about.  When you ask for other people's opinions you have to be ready to consider both sides of the argument...that is how a discussion works.  While it may be a relief for Amanda to read a majority of the threads in support of her opinion, she leaves out the fact that many of these Mothers have admitted to drinking while pregnant, so although they may not 'recommend' drinking to another Mother...they are certainly not against this idea.






Thank you.

Jaime - posted on 05/02/2009

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Quoting Angela:

never mind studies its rubbish a baby does not need any booze in its body they dont have a choice but us mums do would u let a chid drink at the age of 10 no we would b mad so why do it when a baby is being carried in our bodies.



Never mind studies?  Scientific studies are what appear to be the driving force behind the popular opinion of "abstinance" from alcohol while pregnant, so how can they be rubbish.  And because there are studies to determine the damaging effects of alcohol on a fetus, there should be studies to determine what could be an acceptable amount for those that do enjoy a glass every now and then.  Also, lets not forget the culturally relativistic side of the debate...in some countries having a glass of wine with dinner is just as normal as having a glass of milk in our country.  If there have been studies to determine that drinking in moderation (moderation being determined  by a health professional as society has differing views of what this amount should be) is not harmful to a fetus, then why is everyone so concerned with risk?  This idea of playing Russian roulette with our children is just absurd because as someone else also mentioned in an earlier post, pain meds during labour can have adverse effects on a fetus...but I believe that a Mother should not be chastised for her choice to use them if she feels the need.  You also quoted "would you let a child drink at the age of 10"...if you lived in Europe the legal drinking age is 12...what say you now?  This again, is not a question of right or wrong.  It always comes down to choice.  Amanda is a lobbiest for abstinance because of her extensive work with children that suffer from FAS and other developmental disabilities, so I believe her opinion to be very close-minded when discussing a topic that she is already biased about.  When you ask for other people's opinions you have to be ready to consider both sides of the argument...that is how a discussion works.  While it may be a relief for Amanda to read a majority of the threads in support of her opinion, she leaves out the fact that many of these Mothers have admitted to drinking while pregnant, so although they may not 'recommend' drinking to another Mother...they are certainly not against this idea.

Jaime - posted on 05/02/2009

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Quoting Angela:

never mind studies its rubbish a baby does not need any booze in its body they dont have a choice but us mums do would u let a chid drink at the age of 10 no we would b mad so why do it when a baby is being carried in our bodies.



Never mind studies?  Scientific studies are what appear to be the driving force behind the popular opinion of "abstinance" from alcohol while pregnant, so how can they be rubbish.  And because there are studies to determine the damaging effects of alcohol on a fetus, there should be studies to determine what could be an acceptable amount for those that do enjoy a glass every now and then.  Also, lets not forget the culturally relativistic side of the debate...in some countries having a glass of wine with dinner is just as normal as having a glass of milk in our country.  If there have been studies to determine that drinking in moderation (moderation being determined  by a health professional as society has differing views of what this amount should be) is not harmful to a fetus, then why is everyone so concerned with risk?  This idea of playing Russian roulette with our children is just absurd because as someone else also mentioned in an earlier post, pain meds during labour can have adverse effects on a fetus...but I believe that a Mother should not be chastised for her choice to use them if she feels the need.  You also quoted "would you let a child drink at the age of 10"...if you lived in Europe the legal drinking age is 12...what say you now?  This again, is not a question of right or wrong.  It always comes down to choice.  Amanda is a lobbiest for abstinance because of her extensive work with children that suffer from FAS and other developmental disabilities, so I believe her opinion to be very close-minded when discussing a topic that she is already biased about.  When you ask for other people's opinions you have to be ready to consider both sides of the argument...that is how a discussion works.  While it may be a relief for Amanda to read a majority of the threads in support of her opinion, she leaves out the fact that many of these Mothers have admitted to drinking while pregnant, so although they may not 'recommend' drinking to another Mother...they are certainly not against this idea.

Jaime - posted on 05/02/2009

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Quoting Angela:

never mind studies its rubbish a baby does not need any booze in its body they dont have a choice but us mums do would u let a chid drink at the age of 10 no we would b mad so why do it when a baby is being carried in our bodies.



Never mind studies?  Scientific studies are what appear to be the driving force behind the popular opinion of "abstinance" from alcohol while pregnant, so how can they be rubbish.  And because there are studies to determine the damaging effects of alcohol on a fetus, there should be studies to determine what could be an acceptable amount for those that do enjoy a glass every now and then.  Also, lets not forget the culturally relativistic side of the debate...in some countries having a glass of wine with dinner is just as normal as having a glass of milk in our country.  If there have been studies to determine that drinking in moderation (moderation being determined  by a health professional as society has differing views of what this amount should be) is not harmful to a fetus, then why is everyone so concerned with risk?  This idea of playing Russian roulette with our children is just absurd because as someone else also mentioned in an earlier post, pain meds during labour can have adverse effects on a fetus...but I believe that a Mother should not be chastised for her choice to use them if she feels the need.  You also quoted "would you let a child drink at the age of 10"...if you lived in Europe the legal drinking age is 12...what say you now?  This again, is not a question of right or wrong.  It always comes down to choice.  Amanda is a lobbiest for abstinance because of her extensive work with children that suffer from FAS and other developmental disabilities, so I believe her opinion to be very close-minded when discussing a topic that she is already biased about.  When you ask for other people's opinions you have to be ready to consider both sides of the argument...that is how a discussion works.  While it may be a relief for Amanda to read a majority of the threads in support of her opinion, she leaves out the fact that many of these Mothers have admitted to drinking while pregnant, so although they may not 'recommend' drinking to another Mother...they are certainly not against this idea.

Jaime - posted on 05/02/2009

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Quoting Angela:

never mind studies its rubbish a baby does not need any booze in its body they dont have a choice but us mums do would u let a chid drink at the age of 10 no we would b mad so why do it when a baby is being carried in our bodies.



Never mind studies?  Scientific studies are what appear to be the driving force behind the popular opinion of "abstinance" from alcohol while pregnant, so how can they be rubbish.  And because there are studies to determine the damaging effects of alcohol on a fetus, there should be studies to determine what could be an acceptable amount for those that do enjoy a glass every now and then.  Also, lets not forget the culturally relativistic side of the debate...in some countries having a glass of wine with dinner is just as normal as having a glass of milk in our country.  If there have been studies to determine that drinking in moderation (moderation being determined  by a health professional as society has differing views of what this amount should be) is not harmful to a fetus, then why is everyone so concerned with risk?  This idea of playing Russian roulette with our children is just absurd because as someone else also mentioned in an earlier post, pain meds during labour can have adverse effects on a fetus...but I believe that a Mother should not be chastised for her choice to use them if she feels the need.  You also quoted "would you let a child drink at the age of 10"...if you lived in Europe the legal drinking age is 12...what say you now?  This again, is not a question of right or wrong.  It always comes down to choice.  Amanda is a lobbiest for abstinance because of her extensive work with children that suffer from FAS and other developmental disabilities, so I believe her opinion to be very close-minded when discussing a topic that she is already biased about.  When you ask for other people's opinions you have to be ready to consider both sides of the argument...that is how a discussion works.  While it may be a relief for Amanda to read a majority of the threads in support of her opinion, she leaves out the fact that many of these Mothers have admitted to drinking while pregnant, so although they may not 'recommend' drinking to another Mother...they are certainly not against this idea.

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I agree with the "better safe than sorry" rule. When in doubt, err on the side of precaution. Yes, it is the new norm. Yes, an 'occasional' glass of wine is probably fine. A glass. On occasion. I think the biggest problem with this whole issue is that often times the mom's that are the most curious about this are the ones that are going to be prone to exaggerate what 'occassional' means. Whatever you do, NEVER get DRUNK while pregnant!

Jennifer - posted on 05/02/2009

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Hi. I am a mother of a 5 1/2 month old and I am pregnant with my second. I personally don't think that a large quantity of alcohol is beneficial for anyone. I certainly don't think that one drink a day will hurt you but I don't see it as a benefit either. Whether you are talking about a large quantity of alcohol or just a simple glass of wine a day, I personally don't drink while I am pregnant just to make sure just because I don't want to chance anything either way.

Amanda - posted on 05/02/2009

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Quoting Katherine:

I have been preggo now twice...and honestly, from my experience, i feel that the textbooks lied. They make it sound that drinking alcohol AT ALL during pregnancy is bad and they have a LONG list of stuff that could go wrong with your baby IF you do drink. I have talked to several moms and know that they did have drinks sparingly throughout their pregnancy and thier births were normal as well as their babies. I, myself, love to drink and did still enjoy my alcoholic beverages here and there. I NEVER drank in public and i very rarely drank any alcohol. Both my children came out very normally with NO issues. I would say...DRINK SPARINGLY. Coffee, well, I drank one cup a day b/c that is what the doc allowed me to have. I could not have gone thru the day w/o it!


why would books and research and doctors lie?



I still stand firm that there is no safe amount. I dont think any amount of pitiful biased reasearch that may have been done on this topic would be enough to make me think it is safe in any amount.



It is impossible for them to even conduct a realistic study because it is controversal, all researchers are going by is hear say wich we all know can be exagerated or toned down.



I am sticking with the old way, No known safe amount.

Kate CP - posted on 05/02/2009

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Quoting Melissa:

i saw a post about the tests coming back negative and so this lady still kept drinking and then worried afterwards. im still late but my fiance made me do a test and it was negative so sice they are 99% accurate i feel safe to drink more amount of alchohol now over the weekend where as before even on my birthday my inlaws didnt understand why i would not drink more then one glass of wine


You need to be very careful. It's more common to get a false negative than a false positive. 

Katherine - posted on 05/02/2009

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I have been preggo now twice...and honestly, from my experience, i feel that the textbooks lied. They make it sound that drinking alcohol AT ALL during pregnancy is bad and they have a LONG list of stuff that could go wrong with your baby IF you do drink. I have talked to several moms and know that they did have drinks sparingly throughout their pregnancy and thier births were normal as well as their babies. I, myself, love to drink and did still enjoy my alcoholic beverages here and there. I NEVER drank in public and i very rarely drank any alcohol. Both my children came out very normally with NO issues. I would say...DRINK SPARINGLY. Coffee, well, I drank one cup a day b/c that is what the doc allowed me to have. I could not have gone thru the day w/o it!

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Quoting Amanda:



Quoting Joy:




Quoting Emily:

I cant really say for sure, but honestly...who NEEDS a glass of alcohol? Especially if you're pregnant. Is that beer really going to be worth it if it hurts your baby?








When I had my glass of wine at 37 weeks, I didn't NEED it.  But I was going nuts, scared as hell and had a lot of other stuff going on in my life and it calmed me down a little.  If one glass of wine was going to hurt the baby 3 weeks before my due date, then my doctor wouldn't have said it was ok.  That's the way I look at it. 










I think that far along a small glass of wine wouldnt hurt the baby, I would not do it but thats just me.






I was more posting this question about people saying it is ok to drink in moderation during pregnancy (2 drinks at a time 2-3 days/week)






I think 2 drinks 2/3 times a week is very excesive and will harm the baby however I dont htink the 1 glass you had 3 weeks before your due date is enought o harm.






Amanda:



I've never heard anything about it being ok to have 2 drinks at a time, 2/3 days a week. That sounds excessive to me too. I live in Australia & other mum's have told me that it's ok to have 1 glass of wine per week once you're in your second trimester (not sure if that advice is from the doctor or not) but I didn't drink any alcohol at all while i was pregnant. Personally, I think it's too risky.

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i saw a post about the tests coming back negative and so this lady still kept drinking and then worried afterwards. im still late but my fiance made me do a test and it was negative so sice they are 99% accurate i feel safe to drink more amount of alchohol now over the weekend where as before even on my birthday my inlaws didnt understand why i would not drink more then one glass of wine

Amanda - posted on 05/02/2009

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Quoting Angela:

Hi im Angela i drank during my last pregancy and my baby daughter died shortly after birth i blame my self and would strongly recomend tea only and quit smoking 2 the heart ache and guilt lasts longer than a hang over i know 1st class.


Oh my god that is terrible. I cant imagine how hard that must be to go through.

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I was told by my OB that alcohol slows your growing baby's heartrate, which makes sense since it slows down ours as well. I love a glass (or two) of wine, but I am willing to wait until my precious cargo is delivered. No need to take that risk.

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The medical community says that there is no known safe amount of alcohol that you can consume while pregnant. This doesn't mean that there isn't a safe amount, but it means that we don't have any idea what that amount might be. So, as a good Mom, you should stay on the safe side and not drink a drop.

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I never drank any alcohol whilst pregnant. The not knowing if its ok or not stopped me from having a drink cos its just not worth the risk. As it turned out I never missed the alcohol, so never bothered after my children were born. Better safe than sorry x

Kate CP - posted on 05/02/2009

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I never really had the urge to drink while I was pregnant. Maybe it was because I had hyper emesis and I couldn't keep normal food down either. I have to confess that I did drink a lot of caffeinated sodas while I was pregnant. Not much coffee or tea. Didn't smoke, although I was around second hand smoke A LOT because of my mom and sister. I don't think a woman should smoke or drink while pregnant. Not only has it been proven that it's bad for the baby...it just looks wrong. Seriously, how normal is it to see a cigarette butt hanging out of the mouth of a 8 month pregnant woman? Always makes me do a double take.

Angela - posted on 05/02/2009

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never mind studies its rubbish a baby does not need any booze in its body they dont have a choice but us mums do would u let a chid drink at the age of 10 no we would b mad so why do it when a baby is being carried in our bodies.

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Been on both sides so here I go: My first 2 pregnancies, my body told me before some pee stick and I did not touch a thing and drasticly reduces my nicotine intake (Dr said cut down definately 'til I don't want them anymore - definately, but do not quit cold turkey - bad for emotional and chemical state of the mom = bad for baby). Although, my youngest (now 4 1/2) was completely a SHOCK. I felt something had changed but was still having my "friend". I took a test just before thanksgiving - neg. - drank then, on christmas, my anniversay, new years then 2 days later my husbands 40th bday party. Still did not feel rt took other test of the dual pack - neg - didn't care knew ME and stopped it all, had already quit cig's. Took a new test on Valentines Eve - positive. With my huge fam there were tons of events where i chose NO as the correct answer but my son is so smart and healthy (thank GOD). I was sooooooo scared the rest of my pregnancy it was aweful. I worried about every and anything else that could possibly happen. The ONLY alcohol I will actually suggest to a pregnant woman is during early labor while in a hot bubble bath holding her husbands hand and trying to relax to help the baby come into this world as smoothly and easily and, OMG as soon as possible. It is ONLY 10 months out of your entire life, there is no need for any indulgence for that short time at the expense of the little person inside your body.

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Actually, if you read the studies, they found that you can have up to 300 mg a day. That is about 7 Diet Cokes or 1 Starbucks Grande (Vende? whatever the large is). Above 300 mg you start to see smaller birth weights, etc, but below that there was no statistically significant effect.

Angela - posted on 05/02/2009

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Hi im Angela i drank during my last pregancy and my baby daughter died shortly after birth i blame my self and would strongly recomend tea only and quit smoking 2 the heart ache and guilt lasts longer than a hang over i know 1st class.

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I did not drink at all for the 6 months we were trying and throughout the pregnancy but i wonder how many women drink coffee throughout the pregnancy! also very harmfull



About the coffee...I usually have 1-2 cups a day and some days none at all.  My doc said that I was allowed one cup a day.  What I did was to go down a notch...the decaf stuff is WAY more expensive but Maxwell House makes "Lite" which is half the caffeine.  That worked for me and we still drink the same stuff now. 

Helen - posted on 05/02/2009

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I did not drink at all for the 6 months we were trying and throughout the pregnancy but i wonder how many women drink coffee throughout the pregnancy! also very harmfull

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Is it worth the risk? I mean, there are certainly substances out there that might make my baby smarter, but I'm not about to experiment on him to find out what. It is the same while you are pregnant- weight the pros and cons. I don't see the doctors changing their recommendations against it. The risk it too well documented and the amount of alcohol that triggers FASD is too variable depending on the Mom's metabolism. Not worth the risk to me.

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In Spain I wasn't discouraged from drinking by my midwife... she said 1 glass of red wine a week was ok... I'm allergic to red wine and went off the smell of all alcohol but fell in love with non alcoholic shandy's mmmmmm. I had one glass of chamgagne for my first wedding anniversery at 35weeks pregnant and it made me feel ill. To me thats a clear example of my body telling me what I needed for the baby and what I didn't and I didn't need alcohol, but it was a one off and a very special occasion.

People forget that regular drinking even when you are not pregnant isn't advised so why do it when you've rented your body out to your baby. You don't go throw a party in the apartment you've rented out to a tenent when they are living there, why do it with your child.

Desiree - posted on 05/02/2009

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You should never drink when you are pregnant. FAS does not have to exist in these children who's mom thought it was ok to drink. What about the innocent children and their right to begin life with the best possible start in life.

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I live in a "city" where FAS and FAE are VERY common. I would not take that chance at all.

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Quoting Amanda:


I really hope that health canada does not start recommending women to drink the 1 glass of red wine every day.


I don't think there's a worry of Health Canada changing their guidelines on drinking at all during pregnancy.



 



Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) is an umbrella term used to describe the range of disabilities and diagnoses that result from drinking alcohol during pregnancy. The impact and effects of FASD vary. Specific birth defects and the degree of the disability can depend on how much alcohol was drunk, how often and when during the pregnancy; they can also depend on the state of health of the pregnant woman. No amount or type of alcohol during pregnancy is considered safe.



I took this quote from here:  http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hl-vs/iyh-vsv/dis...



After reading that I don't see them recommending drinking at all at any time during your pregnancy. =) It may be recommended elsewhere but it's not here. That particular article was update Feb. 23, 2009 btw too. The date is at the bottom. =) Hope that puts your mind at ease Amanda.

Mel - posted on 05/01/2009

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end of the day some people wil in their last trimesters some wont, and also of people have drank alcohol whether it only be one drink before they find out thier pregnant and their bubs are all safe so in almost all cases one drink here and there is not going to harm baby, however alot do not risk it. personal choice at the end of the day :) Thanks all

Amanda - posted on 05/01/2009

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well, it has been a relief for me to read the thoughts of other mothers with regard to this topic. It is nice to know that for the majority we find alcohol in pregnancy is not worth the risk and that the risks outweigh any benefit .
I really hope that health canada does not start recommending women to drink the 1 glass of red wine every day. I believe if people start doing this we are going to see an uprising in the number of FASD kids out there

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Well, I'm not really a drinker anyway, and my daughter is now 17 years old, but I did not drink at all while I was pregnant or in the short time I breastfed either. I figured what goes into my body goes into my babies, (whether inside the body or drinking milk made from my body) so I didn't drink at all. I didn't take over the counter medicines unless I checked with my doctor either, and even then, I think the only think I took was tums for the terrible indegestion I got. For me, it just wasn't worth the chance...I could never forgive myself if my daughter would have had something wrong with her and I knew I could have prevented it. Trust me, I kick myself for not breastfeeding longer cause she had ear infections as a child and now she has allergies. I wonder if I would have breastfed longer if she would have been healthier. Imagine if I would have drank and she would have had a birth defect!! I would never forgive myself. No, just not worth the risk.

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Quoting Jenny:

NO!!!!!!! Do not drink alcohol. I am a mother of 2 and also a nursing student at Penn State. This past semester we had to do a research paper on fetal alchol syndrome and other alcohol related disorders. Before you think about drinking please take the time to google fetal alcohol syndrome. These syndromes are not just connected with alcoholics. Yes, alcoholics are more prone to have babies that are born with this disorder but there is always a chance that the one drink you decide to consume could be at a very important developemental time for your fetus. So please do not be selfish and have just one drink..... would you give your newborn just one glass of wine????



I would NEVER consider drinking during pregnancy. Like the original question said I wanted to hear if others had heard this new research. I want to make it clear again, I do not condone it and I do not think it is right. I had someone telling me it was safe and everyone did it so i did some snooping around internet and found that there were in fact studies done showing the positive  effects of alchohol on the child later on. Personally i think if a woman can abstain for 9 months they should not be having kids at all.

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NO!!!!!!! Do not drink alcohol. I am a mother of 2 and also a nursing student at Penn State. This past semester we had to do a research paper on fetal alchol syndrome and other alcohol related disorders. Before you think about drinking please take the time to google fetal alcohol syndrome. These syndromes are not just connected with alcoholics. Yes, alcoholics are more prone to have babies that are born with this disorder but there is always a chance that the one drink you decide to consume could be at a very important developemental time for your fetus. So please do not be selfish and have just one drink..... would you give your newborn just one glass of wine????

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Quoting Melissa:

Are you talking about the lady who replied to me HOW OLD DO YOU FEEL AN INFANT SHOULD BE BEFORE THEY TASTE REAL FOOD SUCH AS A TASTE OF ICE CREAM???


well I stopped reading that one as things were getting out of hand but most likely.

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Quoting Heather:

Personally I agree with the ladies that said it is 9 months! I am currently pregnant and did drink before I found out...I had a miscarriage just prior and did not think I could be pregnant again. But as soon as you confirm or even feel you could be pregnant your mothering should kick in. If you would not feed your newborn wine why would you drink while pregnant.

I have a simular out look with pain meds in labor...whatever you take or are given goes through your baby just as much as you.

I do agree that a wine or a beer can relax an adult...but I also know that a run, walk, reading, or car ride could have a simular calming affect. It isnt a NEED so why risk something with no research...I dont know about you but I dont want my baby to be a test subject and look back at what I could have done different!


hahaha that is funny that you should mention we do not give alcohol to babies so why drink while pregnant. I used this same line but backward in another thread  about people putting alcohol on soothers wich then turned to letting your baby have sips of beer " we dont drink while pregnant so why give it to a baby" you would be surprised to know that people defended the action of giving boose to their child.



I also do not agree with that

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Personally I agree with the ladies that said it is 9 months! I am currently pregnant and did drink before I found out...I had a miscarriage just prior and did not think I could be pregnant again. But as soon as you confirm or even feel you could be pregnant your mothering should kick in. If you would not feed your newborn wine why would you drink while pregnant.



I have a simular out look with pain meds in labor...whatever you take or are given goes through your baby just as much as you.



I do agree that a wine or a beer can relax an adult...but I also know that a run, walk, reading, or car ride could have a simular calming affect. It isnt a NEED so why risk something with no research...I dont know about you but I dont want my baby to be a test subject and look back at what I could have done different!

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Quoting Jenifer:



Quoting Amanda:




Quoting Jenifer:

I think that they say drinking in moderation during the 2nd and 3rd trimester is okay, like a glass or two of wine a week. I agree with Amie, that the safe amount of alcohol isn't really known, because testing that would be unethical. That said, I did have one drink during my pregnancy - a half a glass of champaign when I was about 39 weeks. I don't think that I harmed my son, but I wouldn't personally be comfortable with drinking much more than that.








Now is this in the UK that you heard it was ok or in north america as well?  As far as my research goes I have only found articles related to the UK. And how did they come to the conclusion all of a suddent hat it is in fact safe in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters?








I have no intention of drinking any alcohol during pregnancy but I am very curious how if they cant test something because of it being so contriversal ad the risk of harming the fetus than how do they come to the conclusion it is sfae?









To start, here are some studies, two from the American journal Pediatrics:






http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cg...






http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cg...






http://jech.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract...






You'll notice in all of the studies that they interviewed the pregnant women to ask how much alcohol they consumed. That's why I said that its unethical to do a thorough investigation of the safety of alcohol during pregnancy - its one thing to ask women how much they are drinking without any intervention. But in order to have a good case-controlled study, you'd have to assign pregnant women to groups and ask them to drink different quantities of alcohol. Such a study wouldn't tell us anything unless we made some women drink enough to actually harm the fetus - since then we'd know the cut-off.  The studies where they ask women how much alcohol they had during pregnancy seem to indicate that heavy drinking or any drinking during the first two months are the most dangerous. There's definitely conflicting data out there, but this seems to be the general consesus of the research from what I've seen. Of course, telling pregnany women to avoid alcohol altogether is probably more reasonable than telling them its okay to drink in moderation since I'd bet we all have a differnet idea of what 'moderation' is.





I agree. what I consider moderation most people would consider hardley anything at all. And I have talked to people who think moderation is 1 drink everyday, to me that is substance abuse.

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Hi Amanda. Being a mother/baby nurse I totally disagree with drinking in any sort of way while pregnant or if you're trying to get pregnant. One of the most crucial times during pregnancy is when you don't know you're pregnant and the baby is developing.

That's when you pray that anything you did at that time will not harm the baby. Everything you take into your body will cross the placenta. The placenta has a sort of filter that does it's best to get rid of toxins and bad things that moms ingest, so the baby will not be affected. The benefits are definitely not worth the risk. This is such a delicate process. If something did happen to the baby, you would spend the rest of your life with the guilt of your decision. Seeing babies with fetal alcohol syndrome can be heartbreaking when you know it can be prevented. I had gestational diabetes during my pregnancy. I could've easily ignored the advice and diet program that my doctor prescribed, but I know what babies go through when they are born larger thant what they need to be with wet lungs and low blood sugars because of noncompliance; and that scared me. I knew that I did everything to prevent any problems for my boys, and if something did happen; I would've still racked my brain trying to figure out if I could've done something different knowing I did everything my doctors told me. So in sum, definitely not worth the risk. Hope this if helpful.

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Quoting Amanda:



Quoting Jenifer:

I think that they say drinking in moderation during the 2nd and 3rd trimester is okay, like a glass or two of wine a week. I agree with Amie, that the safe amount of alcohol isn't really known, because testing that would be unethical. That said, I did have one drink during my pregnancy - a half a glass of champaign when I was about 39 weeks. I don't think that I harmed my son, but I wouldn't personally be comfortable with drinking much more than that.






Now is this in the UK that you heard it was ok or in north america as well?  As far as my research goes I have only found articles related to the UK. And how did they come to the conclusion all of a suddent hat it is in fact safe in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters?






I have no intention of drinking any alcohol during pregnancy but I am very curious how if they cant test something because of it being so contriversal ad the risk of harming the fetus than how do they come to the conclusion it is sfae?





To start, here are some studies, two from the American journal Pediatrics:



http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cg...



http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cg...



http://jech.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract...



You'll notice in all of the studies that they interviewed the pregnant women to ask how much alcohol they consumed. That's why I said that its unethical to do a thorough investigation of the safety of alcohol during pregnancy - its one thing to ask women how much they are drinking without any intervention. But in order to have a good case-controlled study, you'd have to assign pregnant women to groups and ask them to drink different quantities of alcohol. Such a study wouldn't tell us anything unless we made some women drink enough to actually harm the fetus - since then we'd know the cut-off.  The studies where they ask women how much alcohol they had during pregnancy seem to indicate that heavy drinking or any drinking during the first two months are the most dangerous. There's definitely conflicting data out there, but this seems to be the general consesus of the research from what I've seen. Of course, telling pregnany women to avoid alcohol altogether is probably more reasonable than telling them its okay to drink in moderation since I'd bet we all have a differnet idea of what 'moderation' is.

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I don't think you should drink at all during pregnancy.....I had one beer before I found out I was pregnant with my oldest and I felt so guilty the whole time like if somethings wrong did that one beer do it.....I even quit smoking while I was pregnant...then quit permanently when I had my second child....Just can't imagine doing that to an unborn person who didn't ask to be exposed to those chemicals

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Absolutely NOT! Sure a lot of women probably do have drinks, through out their pregnancy. But, did they have studies done? Did they have Dr's follow up to see if their were any adverse effects? NO! Since their kids turned out "normal" their conclusion was it was ok. BUT.....in mothers that have admitted to drinking during pregnancy their are WAY more incidences of behavioral problems with the children, ADHD, anger problems ect.... not something a mother would look at if she wasn't versed in the statistics and psychological / medical world. Also, when a mother notices, if she notices that their is a more deep seated issue to the child's behavior not only until the psychologist/psychiatrists asks....Did you drink during your pregnancy (they ask this for a reason), do they even think about it. So in their minds everything was fine nothing grossly noticable happened so drinking must have been fine. Everyone will do their own thing, and for alcoholics, without help it might be a real struggle to stop drinking during their pregnancy, but their are certain things you just shouldn't do while you're pregnant and I am pretty sure the majority (there will always be debates on every subject) of the reasearchers/medical/psych feild will never condone drinking while pregnant. WAY too many unknowns! Not too many moms out there are going to say, ok I will voluteer for research and put my uinborn child at risk, so I am not sure if we will ever have double blind studies in a controlled enviroment to really see the numbers.

thanks for the topic!

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