Fluoride for babies?

Brittney - posted on 04/14/2010 ( 36 moms have responded )

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Whats your opinion on giving infants water with fluoride in it? Need help please :)

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Angela - posted on 03/29/2011

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Please don't give your baby fluoride! It is extremely toxic and should never be swallowed. Drinking it will not protect anyone's teeth. If you believe fluoride is necessary then wait until the child is old enough for the dentist to apply it only to the surface of the teeth. In the mean time, read up a bit. You are going to get conflicting opinions from people so look at the facts for yourself, don't take someone anyone's word for it. This article is a good place to start:
http://www.westonaprice.org/environmenta...
Personally, I will NEVER give my babies fluoride.

Amanda - posted on 04/27/2010

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Unfortunately, with so much information out there, it's hard to know what to do. Especially when we see products like nursery water that says it has fluoride in it. This makes people, parents I should say, think fluoride is ok. Have you tried talking to your dentist or pediatrician? Here is some info I found when I researched: ...fluoride supplementation is no longer recommended for newborn children. This includes both fluoride in drops, and fluoride in drinking water. Not only is fluoride ingestion during infancy unnecessary, it can also be harmful - as suggested by a mounting body of evidence linking fluoride exposure during the first year of life with the development of dental fluorosis. Because of the risk for dental fluorosis, and the lack of demonstrable benefit from ingesting fluoride before teeth erupt, the American Dental Association - and a growing number of dental researchers - recommend that children under 12 months of age should not consume fluoridated water while babies under 6 months of age should not receive any fluoride drops or pills. Fluoridated drinking water contains up to 200 times more fluoride than breast milk (1000 ppb in fluoridated tap water vs 5-10 ppb in breast milk). As a result, babies consuming formula made with fluoridated tap water are exposed to much higher levels of fluoride than a breast-fed infant. (A baby drinking fluoridated formula receives the highest dosage of fluoride among all age groups in the population (0.1-0.2+ mg/kg/day), whereas a breast-fed infant receives the lowest). Dental fluorosis is not the only risk from early-life exposure to fluoride. A recent review in The Lancet describes fluoride as "an emerging neurotoxic substance" that may damage the developing brain. The National Research Council has identified fluoride as an "endocrine disrupter" that may impair thyroid function, while recent research from Harvard University has found a possible connection between fluoride and bone cancer.
This website, http://www.ada.org/1767.aspx, talks about fluoride for infants and young children. I hope this info helps. Just remember, there is a limit on fluoride intake according to your little one's age.

Courtney - posted on 04/18/2010

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Whatever you do, just be careful. I grew up in a small town with I'm assuming crappy water, so our dentist gave us flouide supplements. My sister never took them and has perfect teeth. I took mine religiously and have severe discoloration on my front two teeth from florousis that I can't even bleach away. Things to think about.

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Shawnee - posted on 03/28/2011

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are you aware of the the numerous warnings issued by dentists, and scientific bodies, as well as governmental and private entities throughout the country , including but not limited to, The ADA, the California Dental Association, The National Research Council, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the CDC, that formula should not be mixed with “optimally” fluoridated water so as to prevent fluoride discolored teeth, enamel loss and pitting of the tooth surface(fluorosis)? This condition is considered an adverse health effect according to a 2006 National Academy of Sciences Report because “the enamel loss and pitting can compromise the ability of the tooth to protect the dentin and the pulp from decay and infection.” Have you reviewed any of the data released in recent years by a large number of reputable sources of scientific and medical information, which suggest that fluoridation of the water supply may be useless at best, and detrimental to public health at worst? Some of the findings indicate a link between fluoridated water and bone cancer, skeletal fluorosis, (which leads to increase in bone fracture), abnormal neuropsychological development in children , and impairment of thyroid function . If you have fluoride adde to your water supply it is most likely fluorosilicic acid which is derived from production of phosphate fertilizers. The apatite ore (a type of limestone) is mixed and heated with sulfuric acid to form a phosphoric acid-gypsum slurry, the starting point to make pelletized phosphate fertilizers. The hydrogen fluoride and silicon tetrafluoride that would otherwise be released to the atmosphere or left in the gypsum slurry, is deliberately recovered from the slurry by evaporators, and condensed to fluorosilicic acid that can be used for the water fluoridation process.”(CDC website) The toxic waste that is recovered from the smokestacks of industry are then transported directly, without further treatment and along with all the byproducts of the industry that are mixed with them, including arsenic, lead, mercury and other heavy metals in unmeasured amounts, to the distribution center and dumped directly into the city water supply.

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I, personally, don't like the idea! I was given fluoride as a child. It ruined my teeth! I have had to visit dentists all my life and have very few of my natural teeth left.

Jenny - posted on 04/25/2010

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In the UK you can go to the website for the company that supplies your tap water and there is a list of the "ingredients" in the water, including the level of fluoride. it might be useful to check this before supplementing with any added fluoride but a smear of baby toothpaste is OK (only enough to see it on the bristles.)

Devona - posted on 04/23/2010

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I am from canada and we have fluoride in the water where I live so when I made formula I used that water I do not know anything about nursery water with added fl2. I work in the dental field. I would be careful about anything that supplements fl2 if you already have it in your drinking water and no fluoride toothpastes until they are 3. I don't know if this helps or not but hopefully it does. Cute Baby!

Sarah - posted on 04/20/2010

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NO, dont do it. Fluoride can be helpful for your teeth for preventing cavities but it is dangerous to swallow/ingest. Its not good for you. Hitler gave it to the Jews to make them more docile. Start "googling" the dangers of fluoride.It has been linked to miscarriages, stillbirth, retardation and all kinds of medical probelms. Do your research first.

Julie - posted on 04/19/2010

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Regarding fluoride in white grape juice:



I called and spoke to someone at Welch's and they can send you an information if you need to know the numbers. They do not add it to the juice. They use municipal water during processing to reconstitute the juice concentrate they obtain from the grapes. If the municipality has fluoride, there will be a small amount of fluoride in the juice. The levels are significantly lower than drinking straight tap water. So, even if your babies are getting more than the small amount of juice per day recommended by your doctor, white grape juice DOES NOT pose a fluoridation risk!



I imagine any juice that uses similar methods would be the same. Bottom line, levels are lower than the tap.



PS Feel free to call and get the info, they are very helpful:)



PPS I'm sure you can get minimally processed juices and skip the adding water part, but I'd make sure the juice is pasteurized for the safety of your baby. If you have the time, making your own fresh juice from locally-grown, organic fruit is likely the "safest" option. I say "safest" because I do not believe commercially-produced juices to be a danger, but unpasteurized may be too much a challenge to their immune systems.

Lori - posted on 04/19/2010

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I am using the nursery water when my baby was 6 weeks old and now he is 2 years old. The doctor thought this is good because where i live we have well water. I feel this will help make stronger teeth and he has done good with it.

Grandma Donna - posted on 04/18/2010

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We have been giving Abby(10 mos) this water since she was 6 mos old.The facts say infants shoud have fluoride water anytime after 6 mos.

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Jayne,
Your partner is smart. Before asking a doctor or a friend, research it. My daughter lived in a small town and the flouride was very thick. I could smell it almost before they opened the front door. My daughter told me that there was lots of children w/brain cancer in the town. Can we prove the link....no. But I wouldn't take a chance on it. You do as you please. I don't want anyone thinking I'm doctoring on here. Just giving a few facts and you did ask.

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Of couse doctors don't have anyting against....because they know nothing about it. In med school they don't teach things like that. Personally, I would not give my child water w/flouride. When they get older they will get it whether you like it or not. It will be in school, public water. Why do they need it now....they don't. I've read several comments on here and you can do what you want. As an older mom, I just won't. We drink filtered water. If you want to know about flouride then go to www.drmercola.com I would trust him with anything. He goes beyond doctoring. There are lots of things we put in our body that we shouldn't. Like I said, you do what you want.

Jayne - posted on 04/18/2010

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My partner is really against fluoride. He's done a lot of reading about it. He installed filtration to get rid of it if we use the special tap on the sink and we don't give our 2 year old toothpaste at all. I myself don't know much about it but will check out some of the links someone posted. Thanks.

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I don't do it.



Our water doesn't have flouride in it. My kids don't get any flouride til they start using regular toothpaste and flouride at the dentist (4 or 5ish).

Teena - posted on 04/18/2010

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Ask your pediatrician or dentist if the tap water in your area has enough fluoride in it. Ours didn't and now all the kids teeth are paying the price. Had I known sooner, my kids would have better teeth now. Some community water systems just don't have enough so therefor water with floride was marketed.

Christine - posted on 04/18/2010

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No you are fine Jessica. Thank you for the information. I was just repeating what two dentists told me. They also told me that fluoride is found naturally in tap water (even when filtered through a Brita pitcher) and foods so using fluoridated water was unneccessary at such a young age and could actually cause more problems. I don't know...too much conflicting information.

Deborah - posted on 04/18/2010

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Personally I never gave flouride to my daughter & now at nearly 14 she's only ever had 1 cavity! We have good well water here as well as spring water, and I generally have avoided flouride laden toothpastes too. Do your research & remember that this product is made of chemicals & that the companies who make it will put a positive spin on a good deal of the information available because they are in business to sell their products!

And if you do decide to give Nursery Water, then at the very least be sure as your child grows older to not let them ever eat their toothpaste (many of which include flouride) as it can be very toxic.

To much flouride apparently has a relationship to a number of health conditions. You may want to look up The Fluoridation Fiasco, by Gary Null, Ph.D. who states that fluoride is more toxic than lead and just slightly less toxic than arsenic." What you've probably never been told is that the fluoride added to drinking water and toothpaste is a crude industrial waste product of the aluminum and fertilizer industries, and a substance toxic enough to be used as rat poison. How is it that Americans have learned to love an environmental hazard? This phenomenon can be attributed to a carefully planned marketing program begun even before Grand Rapids, Michigan, became the first community to officially fluoridate its drinking water in 1945.2 As a result of this ongoing campaign, nearly two-thirds of the nation has enthusiastically followed Grand Rapids' example. But this push for fluoridation has less to do with a concern for America's health than with industry's penchant to expand at the expense of our nation's well-being.

Fruit juices, in particular, contain significant amounts of fluoride. In a recent study, a variety of popular juices and juice blends were analyzed and it was discovered that 42% of the samples examined had more than l ppm of fluoride, with some brands of grape juice containing much higher levels - up to 6.8 ppm!
The first thing you have to understand about fluoride is that it's the problem child of industry. Its toxicity was recognized at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, when, in the 1850s iron and copper factories discharged it into the air and poisoned plants, animals, and people.3 The problem was exacerbated in the 1920s when rapid industrial growth meant massive pollution. Medical writer Joel Griffiths explains that "it was abundantly clear to both industry and government that spectacular U.S. industrial expansion - and the economic and military power and vast profits it promised - would necessitate releasing millions of tons of waste fluoride into the environment."4 Their biggest fear was that "if serious injury to people were established, lawsuits alone could prove devastating to companies, while public outcry could force industry-wide government regulations, billions in pollution-control costs, and even mandatory changes in high-fluoride raw materials and profitable technologies."

Dentists say that children commonly ingest up to 0.5 mg of fluoride a day from toothpaste. What happens when fluoride intake exceeds the optimal? The inescapable fact is that this substance has been associated with severe health problems, ranging from skeletal and dental fluorosis to bone fractures, to fluoride poisoning, and even to cancer.

Skeletal Fluorosis

When fluoride is ingested, approximately 93% of it is absorbed into the bloodstream. A good part of the material is excreted, but the rest is deposited in the bones and teeth,37 and is capable of causing a crippling skeletal fluorosis. This is a condition that can damage the musculoskeletal and nervous systems and result in muscle wasting, limited joint motion, spine deformities, and calcification of the ligaments, as well as neurological deficits.

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I agree with Krista and Jessica. Floride is a poison. If you are going to use it, please do not use on a infant. Dont take my word for it, research it.

Jessica - posted on 04/18/2010

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actually christine thats a misconception the flouride will help even if their dentition has not erupted from the gingiva. the more flouride that it in the bud pockets before the teeth erupt into the oral cavitiy the less likely they are to get cavities or other dental complications. though your genetics help there to if you or the father has good teeth then most likely the baby will to. If you both or even one of you have bad teeth theres a good chance the child will suffer a greater chance of bad teeth

sorry not to be a know it all or come off that way just graduated

Christine - posted on 04/17/2010

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If the infant has teeth, then it definitely cannot hurt. If not, then leave well enough alone. It won't help if their teeth have not come out yet.

Jessica - posted on 04/17/2010

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As a Dental Assistant I believe strongly in giving children flouride.
But first you need to know if your tap water or the water your giving them already has flouride in it. If you add flouride supplement to a product containing flouride you run the chance over overdosing your child and that can be deadly though very rare.
But in all a flouride supplement is really a great thing and great for babies to help protcet the enamel on the baby teeth to prevent decay and cavities

Krista - posted on 04/17/2010

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How Much Fluoride Is Enough?
Your child may be getting more fluoride than you think! Children ingest fluoride from a variety of sources, some of which are not well-known. Excessive fluoride ingestion by preschool-aged children can lead to dental fluorosis, which is an unsightly discoloration of the adult teeth. Parents can take specific steps to decrease the risk of fluorosis in their children's adult teeth.

Dental fluorosis is the result of excessive fluoride ingestion by young children during tooth development early in life. The increased prevalence of fluorosis is due to the cumulative effects of:
1. Use of fluoridated toothpaste before the age of two.
2. Inappropriate use of fluoride supplements.
3. Hidden sources of fluoride in a child's diet.

Two- and three-year-olds may not be able to expectorate fluoride-containing toothpaste when brushing. As a result, these youngsters may ingest an excessive amount of fluoride during toothbrushing. Toothpaste ingestion during this critical period of adult tooth development is the greatest risk factor in the development of fluorosis.

Excessive intake of fluoride supplements may also contribute to fluorosis. Fluoride drops and tablets, as well as fluoride fortified vitamins should not be given to infants younger than six months of age. After that time, fluoride supplements should only be given to children after all of the sources of ingested fluoride have been accounted for.

Certain foods contain high levels of fluoride, especially: powdered concentrate infant formula, soy-based infant formula, infant dry cereals, creamed spinach, and infant chicken products. Some beverages also contain high levels of fluoride, especially: decaffeinated teas, white grape juice, and juice drinks manufactured in fluoridated cities.

Parents can take the following steps to decrease the risk of fluorosis in their children's teeth:
1. Use baby tooth cleanser on the toothbrush until your child is 2 1/2 years old.
2. Place only a pea-sized drop of children's toothpaste on the brush from age 2 1/2 to 8.
3. Account for all of the sources of ingested fluoride before requesting fluoride supplements from your child's physician or dentist.
4. Avoid giving any fluoride-containing supplements to infants until they are 6 months old.
http://dentalresource.org/topics6.htm

Julie - posted on 04/15/2010

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My BIL's father is a dentist and is for it ... my son's pediatrician agreed. My water isn't fluoridated, so now he gets a supplement.

Dana - posted on 04/15/2010

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Jenny, I was wondering if you could answer a question for me since you're a dentist. Does filtered tap water still have fluoride in it?

Brittney - posted on 04/15/2010

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thank you all!! our tap water doesn't haver any fluoride in it so the doctor said at around 6 months we should talk about giving him "baby water." you know how it goes though, you google the pros and cons and you hear all the these wild and crazy stories about how its terrible. thats why im so thankful for circle of moms :)

Jenny - posted on 04/14/2010

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as a dentist I would say water with fluoride is brilliant! Easiest way to help maintain perfect teeth. Just don't OD by giving suppliments as well. 1 part Fluoride per million is just right

Tracy - posted on 04/14/2010

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Hi there,

I always used bottled water for my son, but when I took him to the dentist for his first check-up ( just after he turned 1 ) my dentist informed me that it was alright to give him tap water, as the flouride in the water would help to maintain healthy teeth. Depending what age your little one is, I would say it is alright. Check with your doctor or try looking into these two great webites: momswhothink.com & babycenter.com

Brean - posted on 04/14/2010

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i make my bottles with "baby" water... its distilled water with flouride in it. =D

Katarina - posted on 04/14/2010

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I've been buying my Son(12months) Nursery Water. It is distilled water which contains flouride in it. I heard it depends on the area you live in if the suppliment is required. My Dr. didn't have anything against it.

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