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Quoting Laura:

mArry CHRISTmas!...on the 30th of December? Just to make people take offense...in a thread about acceptance of other people AFTER your holiday has passed...way to be in the spirit of the holidays! I'm sure Jesus would be proud!





poor baby did i offend you! ok have ( HAPPY HOLY DAYS!!!) anyone who has a problem with USA HISTORY has a relationship problem with jesus. before man it was GOD during man it is GOD after man it will ALWAYS be GOD





*bangs head on keyboard* 



What exactly does Kwanza have to do with failing to know Jesus?  The celebration of Kwanza in no way precludes the Christian faith.  I also fail to see the connection between American history and a relationship with Jesus. Education, learning and understanding of facts are not bad things, try them some time.



 



Happy (Belated) Kwanza to everyone!!

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Quoting Sharon:

Jennifer your intolerant attitude is disgusting and racist. I've flagged your posts as offensive to those who are NOT christian and don't share your beliefs that you feel you have the right to continually shove down others throats.

I am a christian but I belive everyone has a right to their own beliefs AND THOUGHTs, its not for you to say what is right or wrong in those regards. With all the happy holiday/christmas messages floating around - I felt the urge to include our non christian friends & sisters in this multinational forum but oh no.. the worm in the apple had to raise its feces covered head.






the world is full of antichrist people like you who realy  hate GOD and want to take HIM out of everything. you better stop and consider how much time you have. one day you WILL have to answer to GOD himself and tell HIM why you were so much of a people pleaser





Well Jennifer, I'm not sure if you're reading this as you've likely been banned from this thread, but you may want to consider brushing up on your reading comprehension. You called Sharon an "antichrist person"...but she said flat-out that she is Christian.  As well, your ill-disguised malicious glee at the very thought of us being punished by God?  That indicates pretty clearly to any casual observer that  you're not a true Christian. You don't love your neighbour -- you hate your neighbour, and enjoy using the idea of a vengeful God as a bludgeon with which to threaten people.  



Besides, as many others have pointed out, Kwanzaa is not mutually exclusive from Christmas. Kwanzaa is cultural, not religious. Cinco de Mayo is a cultural holiday in Mexico, and 92% of them are Christian. So besides being malicious, you're very uneducated. 

Glori - posted on 12/24/2009

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I think this whole conversation is being taken out of context. Anytime someone offers a fond greeting in celebration of anything that promotes peace, joy, love, community and unity, just simply be gracious and say "ThankYou". By the way, some of my "fourfathers" came here not for religous freedom, but because they were starving in their home country. Americans, whether we be white or not may need to "get over ourselves". Why must everything be turned into a race issue? Let's celebrate and appreciate each others' unique cultural,racial and religious differences.

Krista - posted on 12/22/2009

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are you kidding me? this is america, our fourfathers came here for religious CHRISTIAN freedoms! our constitution was based on those principles! ITS MERRY CHRISTMAS HERE IN AMERICA, IT IS A NATIONAL HOLIDAY!! GOD HELP US! HAPPY KWANZA? FOR REAL? LOL


 



Wow. There is just so much wrong with that statement that I'm not sure where to begin. 



First of all, we'll start with the easy stuff: it's "forefathers", not "fourfathers". 



Now, as far as the Constitution goes, the part you're thinking of is this section of the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."



In OTHER words,  the United States is NOT allowed to have an official national religion, and everybody and their dog is free to practice whatever religion they please. 



This amendment was put in place to prevent religious persecution by people with attitudes similar to yours, who seem to view other belief systems and cultures with such disdain. 



So, in the United States, people are perfectly free to celebrate Kwanzaa, or Yule, or Hanukkah, or Saturnalia, and you can be as rude about it as you like, but that ain't going to change. 



You might want to consider putting down your Bible every once in awhile and picking up a civics textbook, when a Canadian knows more about your Constitution than you do. 

Isobel - posted on 12/24/2009

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To be honest with you...I don't know how racist you have to be to be upset that another culture is celebrating their own culture...Honestly...Grow The Fuck Up!!!

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St. Patrick's day is for Irish people. I wouldn't call it a white holiday. I don't feel the need to celebrate it. It's pretty much an excuse for people to drink.



With Irish blood in me (and scottish. Nice combo lol) that is the main reason for St patricks day. To get drunk and be merry. Reason why america celebrates it, is it because the irish immigrants mostly worked in your harbours and yards. Ever been to New Orleans adn visited the "Irish quarters"? If they are still there. Irish people are all about hard work and harder drinking. So bring on the booze...... :)

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Gee, and this seemed a wonderful opportunity to discuss religious, racial, and ethnic tolerance.

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Alright, Ladies, we're moving on....


Party pooper. ; ) 

Sharon - posted on 01/04/2010

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You should have seen my facebook status - I used every international greeting I could remember.

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Whenever I hear a holiday greeting of any kind, I smile and say it back...be it happy holidays, merry christmas, happy kwanzaa, happy hanukkah...or any other greetings. I don't have a personal attachment to the words, as I am content in knowing that I will see and spend time with friends and family over some drinks and good food! But I do believe that when someone extends a holiday greeting, it is said as a means of conveying their best wishes to someone else. I think it's amazing that we have created a time of year (all religious affiliation aside) where we come together as families and often as nations to extend more than best wishes, but awareness of economic strife, community support for children and struggling families, festivals, parades and the like...all as a means of recognizing that no matter who you are and no matter who or what you pray to at night before you go to sleep...WE ARE ALL entitled to take a moment to stop and personally enjoy the sights and sounds of the season.
Even though it turned into a war of religion...I found this thread to be useful because there are a few greetings that I've never heard before. And now that the holiday season is over, I will just say 'happy new year' to everyone...

~Jennifer - posted on 01/04/2010

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Apparently, Jennifer, you are here simply to instigate and cause problems. Please take your issues elsewhere as your attitude will no longer be tolerated in this forum.



Please read this pinned thread - It's been up for quite a long time, and I'm sure you've seen it in 'a few' other communities as some have adopted these guidelines as well:



http://www.circleofmoms.com/welcome-to-c...







oh, and trust me, right now, I feel just dandy....but thanks for askin'.



=)

Jennifer - posted on 01/04/2010

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freedom of speech once was allowed. now its become a place of broken hurt FEELINGS. there will be a day that comes where YOUR freedom of speech will be taken away by people like you. OH I FORGOT!!! im sorry i souldnt say that it might hurt your FEELINGS.

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Quoting jennifer:



Quoting Sharon:

Jennifer your intolerant attitude is disgusting and racist. I've flagged your posts as offensive to those who are NOT christian and don't share your beliefs that you feel you have the right to continually shove down others throats.

I am a christian but I belive everyone has a right to their own beliefs AND THOUGHTs, its not for you to say what is right or wrong in those regards. With all the happy holiday/christmas messages floating around - I felt the urge to include our non christian friends & sisters in this multinational forum but oh no.. the worm in the apple had to raise its feces covered head.






the world is full of antichrist people like you who realy  hate GOD and want to take HIM out of everything. you better stop and consider how much time you have. one day you WILL have to answer to GOD himself and tell HIM why you were so much of a people pleaser





Ladies,



 



  This is not a religious war thread.   Not all people believe the same things - live and let live.



This is not the place to condemn, degrade or berate another member for their beliefs, whatever they may be.



Look to what you believe and use it FOR yourself, not to INSULT, HARM or HURT another person. 



I believe that is  the basis of all religion anyway, isn't it?



You do your religious beliefs a disservice by acting in this manner - the name calling, the judgement, the threats........ unbelievable.



Any posts made after this attacking another members beliefs- or lack thereof- will result in the offending member being blocked permanently from this forum.



Clear?



Good.



 



~Jenn~



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Jennifer - posted on 01/04/2010

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Quoting Sharon:

Jennifer your intolerant attitude is disgusting and racist. I've flagged your posts as offensive to those who are NOT christian and don't share your beliefs that you feel you have the right to continually shove down others throats.

I am a christian but I belive everyone has a right to their own beliefs AND THOUGHTs, its not for you to say what is right or wrong in those regards. With all the happy holiday/christmas messages floating around - I felt the urge to include our non christian friends & sisters in this multinational forum but oh no.. the worm in the apple had to raise its feces covered head.



the world is full of antichrist people like you who realy  hate GOD and want to take HIM out of everything. you better stop and consider how much time you have. one day you WILL have to answer to GOD himself and tell HIM why you were so much of a people pleaser

Krista - posted on 01/02/2010

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Quoting jennifer:



Quoting Laura:

mArry CHRISTmas!...on the 30th of December? Just to make people take offense...in a thread about acceptance of other people AFTER your holiday has passed...way to be in the spirit of the holidays! I'm sure Jesus would be proud!





poor baby did i offend you! ok have ( HAPPY HOLY DAYS!!!) anyone who has a problem with USA HISTORY has a relationship problem with jesus. before man it was GOD during man it is GOD after man it will ALWAYS be GOD





I had a relationship problem with Jesus. He kept leaving the toilet seat up. And the sandals! I kept asking him, "Would it kill you to put on a pair of nice shoes when we go out to dinner with my mother?"  But noooo.....

Sharon - posted on 01/02/2010

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Jennifer your intolerant attitude is disgusting and racist. I've flagged your posts as offensive to those who are NOT christian and don't share your beliefs that you feel you have the right to continually shove down others throats.

I am a christian but I belive everyone has a right to their own beliefs AND THOUGHTs, its not for you to say what is right or wrong in those regards. With all the happy holiday/christmas messages floating around - I felt the urge to include our non christian friends & sisters in this multinational forum but oh no.. the worm in the apple had to raise its feces covered head.

Isobel - posted on 12/31/2009

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mArry CHRISTmas!...on the 30th of December? Just to make people take offense...in a thread about acceptance of other people AFTER your holiday has passed...way to be in the spirit of the holidays! I'm sure Jesus would be proud!

Sharon - posted on 12/30/2009

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"mArry?Christmas" lmfao oy vey listen up puta you need to get a grip and an education.

Glori - posted on 12/30/2009

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Happy New Year to all. May 2010 be a healthy, happy, and prosperous one for all.

Glori - posted on 12/24/2009

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Sharon, where did you order eyeball soup? Now I am really intrigued. More so with the soup than with the racist hate talking.



I think some people are going to be hating on others for what ever reason they can conjure. What a waste of human resources.

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tQuoting glori:

I think this whole conversation is being taken out of context. Anytime someone offers a fond greeting in celebration of anything that promotes peace, joy, love, community and unity, just simply be gracious and say "ThankYou". By the way, some of my "fourfathers" came here not for religous freedom, but because they were starving in their home country. Americans, whether we be white or not may need to "get over ourselves". Why must everything be turned into a race issue? Let's celebrate and appreciate each others' unique cultural,racial and religious differences.



Beautifully said :)

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tQuoting glori:

I think this whole conversation is being taken out of context. Anytime someone offers a fond greeting in celebration of anything that promotes peace, joy, love, community and unity, just simply be gracious and say "ThankYou". By the way, some of my "fourfathers" came here not for religous freedom, but because they were starving in their home country. Americans, whether we be white or not may need to "get over ourselves". Why must everything be turned into a race issue? Let's celebrate and appreciate each others' unique cultural,racial and religious differences.



Beautifully said :)

Sharon - posted on 12/24/2009

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I happen to find religious (barring the evil ones) and cultural diversity (barring racists and most extremists) AWESOME.



I love visiting foreign places and experiencing their lives. Rather than force my americanism on them, I enjoy trying their language, foods etc. I did draw the line at eyeball soup.....

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I forgot to wish everyone a Happy New Year. Here is to having a happy, healthy and productive New Year (2010). To all that will be celebrating this season, have fun, laugh, be safe and well.

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By the way sorry about the terrible lack of letters in my post , new computer , new keyboard fat fingers lol .

Kate CP - posted on 12/23/2009

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any chance the negative CRAP can be deleted?


You don't really mean that. ;)

Krista - posted on 12/23/2009

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Quoting Loureen:

WOW , i am pretty disguted at the attitudes on this thread .

This thread was a well wishing , happy thread and i hope you ladies realise this is the internet , this frum is ITERNATIONAL , WWW. stands for WORLD WIDE WEB.

The internet isnt AMERICA its the whole world , all nationalities all cutlures ad religions .

Please if you have nothing construcive to say on what was meant to be a happy thread keep your ignorant comments to yourself .


You tell 'em Loureen! 



 



(Don't mind me -- I've had two glasses of wine, which is the most wine I've had since October of 2008, so I'm completely de-looped. But my mom's here, and the hubby's sober, so not to worry about the baby. Besides, he's sleeping the sleep of the innocent, bless his wee small heart.) 

Charlie - posted on 12/23/2009

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WOW , i am pretty disguted at the attitudes on this thread .



This thread was a well wishing , happy thread and i hope you ladies realise this is the internet , this frum is ITERNATIONAL , WWW. stands for WORLD WIDE WEB.



The internet isnt AMERICA its the whole world , all nationalities all cutlures ad religions .



Please if you have nothing construcive to say on what was meant to be a happy thread keep your ignorant comments to yourself .

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Quoting Krista:



Quoting kati:




Quoting Krista:





Quoting kati:

i'm going to sound racist here, and i'm not trying to be, but i think kwanzaa is horrible. it's not african american christmas it's a time for the black race to celebrate their heritage, family, and so on and so on. which i find an utterly wonderful idea to do in your everyday life, however, if white people had something similar to kwanzaa it would be an utter fiasco and we would all be called racist pigs.









So........Christmas ISN'T about where Christians came from and the family that we have?  Hmm......what's YOUR definition then?  Seems like Kwanzaa is about the same as Christmas.












christmas is religious, kwanzaa is not, simple as that.  i just opened up a can of worms that was probably uncalled for, but i just felt like speaking my mind.  black people have come to far in this country to just seperate themselves by doing things seperately from folks of another race. i would like to see more togetherness and let everybody celebrate eachothers heritage together instead of just pushing themselves further back keeping themselves segregated from the rest of the races they so long to be treated the same as.









Last I heard, Christmas was a pagan ritual.  And you weren't arguing about black people doing something with the "regular white folk", you were uppity about them having their OWN day.  And there's nothing wrong with that.





you do make valid points everyone!! i just have never heard of a white person celebrating kwanzaa cause it's an african american holiday which i believe IS segregation.  i've never heard of a black person not being able to participate in st. patrick day festivities.  i just believe that there shouldn't be more segregation in this country.



you're right sharon, wrong place to start this whole debate! happy kwanzaa, christmas or whatever you feel like celebrating, and a happy new year!!!!!!!!

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Quoting Carly:

Happy Festivus! May your Festivus Pole be made of the highest quality aluminum.





Would this thread count as the Airing of Grievances? 





How are we going to have feats of strength over the computer?!

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Quoting Arufeni:

You've just given me an idea! Next year i'll MAKE my own christmas cards reflecting what i think is Kenyan :-)



A kenyan christmas.... must as interesting as an Aussie christmas!



 



At least here in the states we have a minuscule miracle of potential snow ...  Actually we just got snow last night!  Its crazy fun.



 



I need to go get some pictures of my ducks, geese & bunnies in the snow.

Krista - posted on 12/23/2009

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Quoting Carly:

Happy Festivus! May your Festivus Pole be made of the highest quality aluminum.


Would this thread count as the Airing of Grievances? 

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Happy Festivus! May your Festivus Pole be made of the highest quality aluminum.

Arufeni - posted on 12/22/2009

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You've just given me an idea! Next year i'll MAKE my own christmas cards reflecting what i think is Kenyan :-)

Sharon - posted on 12/22/2009

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Its nutty ain't it Arufeni?



I'm in Az. We have christmas cards with pictures of snow covered cactus with lights, or santa in shorts & a t-shirt in sleigh being pulled by javelina (looks like a wild pig)

Arufeni - posted on 12/22/2009

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Goodness! And i thought things were crazy on my end! I'm in Nairobi Kenya where it's never snowed and i doubt it ever will, its terribly hot in December and majority of Kenyans are black yet we have Christmas cards with pictures of snow and christmas scenes in shopping malls with trees covered in fake snow and huge man in a red and white snowsuit sweating his hair off. REALLY!! The commercial symbols of Christmas are so not relevant but it still works for us, i think. So Merry Christmas, happy Kwanzaa

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Quoting kati:



Quoting Krista:




Quoting kati:

i'm going to sound racist here, and i'm not trying to be, but i think kwanzaa is horrible. it's not african american christmas it's a time for the black race to celebrate their heritage, family, and so on and so on. which i find an utterly wonderful idea to do in your everyday life, however, if white people had something similar to kwanzaa it would be an utter fiasco and we would all be called racist pigs.







So........Christmas ISN'T about where Christians came from and the family that we have?  Hmm......what's YOUR definition then?  Seems like Kwanzaa is about the same as Christmas.









christmas is religious, kwanzaa is not, simple as that.  i just opened up a can of worms that was probably uncalled for, but i just felt like speaking my mind.  black people have come to far in this country to just seperate themselves by doing things seperately from folks of another race. i would like to see more togetherness and let everybody celebrate eachothers heritage together instead of just pushing themselves further back keeping themselves segregated from the rest of the races they so long to be treated the same as.





Last I heard, Christmas was a pagan ritual.  And you weren't arguing about black people doing something with the "regular white folk", you were uppity about them having their OWN day.  And there's nothing wrong with that.

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Quoting Laura:

St. Patrick's day is for Irish people. I wouldn't call it a white holiday. I don't feel the need to celebrate it. It's pretty much an excuse for people to drink.


Yea. That's the whole point. It's a holiday that white people celebrate. And what do we celebrate? We celebrate getting drunk. White people are probably the only race that drinks for the sake of drinking. That's a pretty Caucasian holiday.

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Beth Robbins: Kwanzaa IS an American Holiday! Founded by an American in celebration of African Heritage. Happy Kwanzaa!!!!

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St. Patrick's day is for Irish people. I wouldn't call it a white holiday. I don't feel the need to celebrate it. It's pretty much an excuse for people to drink.

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Quoting Kate:



Quoting kati:

i'm going to sound racist here, and i'm not trying to be, but i think kwanzaa is horrible. it's not african american christmas it's a time for the black race to celebrate their heritage, family, and so on and so on. which i find an utterly wonderful idea to do in your everyday life, however, if white people had something similar to kwanzaa it would be an utter fiasco and we would all be called racist pigs.





We do. It's called St. Patrick's Day.






And I was going to say, we do, it's called Columbus Day but you basically beat me to it!!!



Happy Kwanzaa Sharon!!!!! Your posts ALWAYS make me smile! YOur kinda like COM's Simon Cowell!

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Quoting kati:



Quoting Krista:




Quoting kati:

i'm going to sound racist here, and i'm not trying to be, but i think kwanzaa is horrible. it's not african american christmas it's a time for the black race to celebrate their heritage, family, and so on and so on. which i find an utterly wonderful idea to do in your everyday life, however, if white people had something similar to kwanzaa it would be an utter fiasco and we would all be called racist pigs.







So........Christmas ISN'T about where Christians came from and the family that we have?  Hmm......what's YOUR definition then?  Seems like Kwanzaa is about the same as Christmas.









christmas is religious, kwanzaa is not, simple as that.  i just opened up a can of worms that was probably uncalled for, but i just felt like speaking my mind.  black people have come to far in this country to just seperate themselves by doing things seperately from folks of another race. i would like to see more togetherness and let everybody celebrate eachothers heritage together instead of just pushing themselves further back keeping themselves segregated from the rest of the races they so long to be treated the same as.





Um...that doesn't really make any sense, Kati. You don't want black people to have separate customs and events, even though most of them DO still join the white folks in celebrating Christmas?



A lot of Chinese people in North America celebrate the Chinese New Year, which is certainly doing things separately from folks of another race -- and yet strangely, I have NEVER, EVER heard a white person complaining about Chinese people having their own special New Year or other culturally-based customs. I've never, ever heard white people complain about Mexicans observing Cinco de Mayo. I've never, ever heard white people complain about Germans observing Oktoberfest. I've only ever heard complaints from white people when they hear about black people observing Kwanzaa. 



Funny, that. 





Edit: Kate, that's funny -- I was going to add St. Patrick's Day to the list, but figured I had already made my point.

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Quoting kati:

i'm going to sound racist here, and i'm not trying to be, but i think kwanzaa is horrible. it's not african american christmas it's a time for the black race to celebrate their heritage, family, and so on and so on. which i find an utterly wonderful idea to do in your everyday life, however, if white people had something similar to kwanzaa it would be an utter fiasco and we would all be called racist pigs.


We do. It's called St. Patrick's Day.

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Quoting beth:

are you kidding me? this is america, our fourfathers came here for religious CHRISTIAN freedoms! our constitution was based on those principles! ITS MERRY CHRISTMAS HERE IN AMERICA, IT IS A NATIONAL HOLIDAY!! GOD HELP US! HAPPY KWANZA? FOR REAL? LOL


I hope you're being facetious. What an asinine comment.

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Quoting Krista:



Quoting kati:

i'm going to sound racist here, and i'm not trying to be, but i think kwanzaa is horrible. it's not african american christmas it's a time for the black race to celebrate their heritage, family, and so on and so on. which i find an utterly wonderful idea to do in your everyday life, however, if white people had something similar to kwanzaa it would be an utter fiasco and we would all be called racist pigs.





So........Christmas ISN'T about where Christians came from and the family that we have?  Hmm......what's YOUR definition then?  Seems like Kwanzaa is about the same as Christmas.





christmas is religious, kwanzaa is not, simple as that.  i just opened up a can of worms that was probably uncalled for, but i just felt like speaking my mind.  black people have come to far in this country to just seperate themselves by doing things seperately from folks of another race. i would like to see more togetherness and let everybody celebrate eachothers heritage together instead of just pushing themselves further back keeping themselves segregated from the rest of the races they so long to be treated the same as.

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