How would you handle this mess if you were me?

Linda - posted on 02/16/2012 ( 120 moms have responded )

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I have a very confusing situation that has been a big problem in my family for 38 years now. My FULL sister married my ex-husband following an affair that started prior to our divorce. Obviously a very difficult situation right from the start for me. My 2 sons were at the time of their marriage ages 1 year and 4 years old.



My older son married in the late 90s and in their wedding program it showed on my son’s side as 3 parents: My name first, then his father’s and then my sister’s (as a parent too!). I was very upset but avoided making a scene at the wedding but did acknowledge that I found it in very poor taste that my invitation was sent to my other sister’s address. The response was that I had moved out of state and no one had my new address even though to me I knew this not to be true as I had talked over the telephone to my son several times after the move & at any of those times could have been asked for my new address. I need to also mention that my daughter-in-law is also from a divorced family and her step-father had raised her since a small child and was also listed as a “parent” in their wedding brochure. I had to sit next to my sister in the front pew with my ex-husband (with all three of us as my son's parents!) Is this done normally with the step-mother in the front pew? Obviously I was very upset with this as I thought only 2 people produced this child & would like to have had one thing that was mine during the wedding and not have to share with HER!! I felt that as the groom's mother there was absolutely no respect for me at all for doing this along with listing her as a "parent" in the program.



Over the years since my grandchildren have been born I am still dealing with another very sensitive situation with my son and his wife having the children call the grandparents as Grandpa or Grandma (1st name) including my sister is a step-grandparent. My sister has a daughter and grandchildren of her own and does not have to share with anyone since her daughter's father (sister's ex-husband) passed away when her daughter was about 8 years old. Now my ex-husband (sister's current husband) have HER daughter call my ex-husband dad and her children call him Grandpa.



I know that I do hold a lot of resentment with my sister and my ex-husband (and understandably so I feel) that in the early years during my divorce I was basically tossed out of my house to find another one. Thinking back I wonder what in the world my lawyer was doing to help me but I was told then by my ex-husband that since HIS family had co-signed for the note for us to get the down-payment that unless I could afford both the house payment and the note for the down payment that I would have to forfeit keeping the house and move out. I was a secretary and that time and not making that much money and definitely not to afford to pay for both the note and house payment and therefore moved out with the boys. I could not afford our new car payment either with the small wages I was receiving at the time. At this same time my ex-husband was unemployed but his parents kept his payments made for the house during his unemployment along apparently for the car too. My parents were very poor and both alcoholics and no help for me at all financially nor emotionally. Fresh from my divorce here I was with 2 children (at age 22) needing to find another home to live in, another car, and my sister moved right in with everything that WAS mine. I was not aware that they were even seeing each other until a week before the divorce was final and then he proudly admitted that there wasn't one but four during our marriage. My sister-in-law had told me that she saw him with some lady in a car one day but I was convinced she had to be wrong until I found a billfold of a woman's in the floor of our car! So for many years I had the repeated pain of seeing my own sister driving my car and living in my house with my ex-husband (even though I wanted to be divorced but not to my OWN sister) and the rest of my family seemed to accept all that she had done to me and just said that we needed to all get along and not be upset at each other. LOL



Now my older son is giving me a LOT of grief saying that I am being irrational about my sister being called, Grandma (1st name) and that there can’t be enough love in a family. To make it more difficult, my daughter-in-law is also a psychologist with her PhD and seems to holds a lot of clout with both my sons on how things should be handled in the family. LOL Long before she received ANY degree for anything in college, she was very apparent to me undermining my relationship with my son while they were living together in college but I continually stood strong and took it. One time in particular while he and his girlfriend (later his wife) were living together I visited with my two dogs and my son told me that I was "infringing on his dogs' space" by having to put his dogs in the basement kennel during my visit. I had driven to visit him from out of state and drove up to visit after not seeing him for probably close to a year at that time. Obviously I left then feeling very hurt.



Now dealing with the grandparent. Am I being too sensitive with all of this? I feel that 2 grandparents (of the father and mother of my grandchildren) should be called Grandma & Grandpa? I certainly feel that there should be all types of love for the grandchildren in all ways but isn't it "respect" for the Grandparents to have these titles only.



Now last month to add to all that has happened over the years, my ex-husband (my son's father) passed away and my sister (my son's step-mother) had a private memorial and my son said that she "accidentally" sent me several pictures of the memorial but in one particular picture shows her with my older son, her daughter (by other marriage) and my younger son in one photo and then photos of other family members of "his and her's" that I had divorced almost 40 years ago. My sons always brag to me about how that family get along so well and I think it the pictures were sent to me in spite by my sister but my sons uphold her "always." Just last week my younger son told me that my parents drove their kids away by alcohol and that I am with bitterness!!! With everything it appears that the general response from both my sons is "come from love" Mom but where is the love when "MY" feelings am concerned? As far as calling my sister Grandma, my sister in law's response is, "There never can be enough love given to the kids" but WHEN will I have one thing that is MINE only and not HER's and MINE to have to share? With the way my own sister has treated me over the many many years and especially with ALL the men in the world to have to marry MY ex-husband, I haven't considered her any kind of a sister at all but only as the wife to my ex-husband that I had to deal with periodically as my two sons grew up. Most people divorce and then only deal with the ex and his wife but in my case I am also dealing with MY family as he is married to my sister! BTW, my biological niece (her daughter) is not allowed (according to them by my sister) to call my sons as cousin but as "sister" being a step-sister. My daughter-in-law calls her daughter a sister and her children as nieces and nephews. I don't believe I ever heard my niece call me Aunt either LOL but I am rarely around her anyway with me and her mother nothing getting along. What an absolute mess! Now I know the term of "being my own grandpa" that I used to hear many years ago. LOL My sons both say I am too sensitive over everything but I am to the point that in order to keep my sanity I may have to have nothing to do with either my sons & stay completely away from all the drama with that family. My younger son has told me that if he isn't allowed to discuss that family with me then he has nothing else to talk about with me then. :-( The pain for me is WAY too much to deal with anymore and never never ends! How would you handle all of this? Your comments is SO GREATLY appreciated!! Linda

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Melle - posted on 02/16/2012

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As an adult child of divorce with a very, very bitter mother, I agree with your sons wholeheartedly. It is awful what was done to you, but it was dine a very long time ago. Get some therapy andmove along past it already. Youbsound just like my mother. It is spiteful of you to expect them to be as angry and bitter against someone they very obviously received a lot ofnlive from during their childhoods.



I'm not saying you should.never have been angry, but its been 20 years? Its time to let it go. Otherwise you are going to be in the situation my mom was in and not meeting your grandkids until they're 5--if ever!



I fled my mothers bitterness and anger and her awful attitude that I should choose one parent over the other! I chose the parent that didn't out me in that position! And it wasn't her....

~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/16/2012

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You cannot control how others act, just your reaction to their actions alone.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/16/2012

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Well, then make the counseling strictly about YOU healing and fuck the rest of them. Change the subject when it is brought up, walk out of the room....just have contact with your son and grandkids....I mean fully move on from it. It is good that you have had counseling.

Linda - posted on 02/16/2012

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As an addendum, I have seen a counselor about this many years ago several times and he sympathized with me. I have also remarried and happily so. It is just this all comes back in my face. Counseling will help me but cannot fix the situation unless you have both parties at the table. It would very easy for me to move on except for the fact that she is MY SISTER and my other family members keep it all alive.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/16/2012

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I don't think she is necessarily acting freshly divorced, she is telling how it all went down. maybe I am wrong though.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/16/2012

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Have you ever talked directly to your sister or ex husband about all of this? The betrayal and all?

Jade - posted on 02/16/2012

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My husband has two sets of parents, but as both his parents remarried when hubby was an adult (I was actually preg with our first when his mum remarried), both step-parents have actually said they don't want to be grandma/grandpa. So we have grandma and phil, and granddad and Debbie.



I think that yes, they aren't taking your feelings into account, but you are also acting freshly-divorced and hurt. I can see both sides, and I think maybe a group counselling session may be needed.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/16/2012

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I agree, it is time to move on and get some happiness and love back in your life. You deserve to be happy....if not MORE than the people that ruined your happiness. Holding a grudge is easier than letting it go, and it can take more work for some than others.



I don't blame her for having a grudge for this long...even with professional help I would never be able to forgive and forget, but learning to deal with it and cope with the emotions is vital.

Tammy - posted on 02/16/2012

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I agree with Amanda. It has been too long to hold on to the grief. What they did was inexcuseable but to hold on for the grudge this long is only waster her life in the end. She will be 90 and wonder why she was so unhappy for her life.



He isn't worth losing happiness for this long.

Amanda - posted on 02/16/2012

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It was 20+ years ago Little Miss, its time to move on. Seriously thats nuts.



I meant DAUGHTER inlaw, I will correct that now.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/16/2012

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Amanda, it is her SISTER not sister in law. I totally get why she is upset and hurt. Definitely it is time to move on, but you surely have the right to grieve for what has happened to you.

Amanda - posted on 02/16/2012

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Your son and (EDIT) DAUGHTER inlaw are right. You are talking like a woman freshly divorced. Not a woman who has learned to move on and enjoy life.



Btw my children call all their grandparents just like your grand kids, even ones that arent even blood or marriage related to them. For example my oldest twos grandma (their dads mom), is also my youngest grandma (even though she has a different father).



As for the wedding thing, I would just like to remind you that your sons wedding wasnt about you, it was about HIM. How do you think him and his wife feel that you made it all about yourself?



I suggest you go speak to a professional (which i dont suggest often to people), because you truely do have a lot of bitterness and hate you need to work out before you can have a happy life, and I would do this real soon before you miss out on your grandchildrens lives.

Tammy - posted on 02/16/2012

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I agree with how you feel toward you husband and sister. You would feel that way if it wasn't your sister. What they did was betray you.



As far as listing them as your son's parents for his wedding. With you being divorced when he was so young and he was raised by his "step-mom"/aunt and she was like a second mother to him. I feel that he was right in listing her and having the three of you sitting together in the front pew.



With divorce being so prevalent these days society as a whole has given us the thumbs up to decide what we feel is right for our circumstance.



My sister has two children by a man that also has 2 children by a previous woman. Those boys treat my niece and nephew as their brother and sister and they call me Aunt and my parents are grandpa (first name) and grandpa (first name).



Their mother didn't approve at first and then she accidently met us all one night at a baseball game and she realized that we were not out to replace her but to help her raise her boys the best we could. My dad now will pick up her oldest from her house when he is doing something that he would enjoy just like he picks up my children when he is out and about.



You need to remember the saying that "It takes a Village to raise a child" This is so true. Without the help of my parents and the good people I surround by children with (etc. coaches; teachers; other parents) my children would not be the boys they are today and would be far worse off.

Rosie - posted on 02/16/2012

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i'm so sorry that you had to go through that! how horrible for you!

but, i do have to say that i agree with the children and others in the family when they say there can't be too much love. my husband has a step mother, and a step father, AND a man that his mother has been seeing for at least 10 years (while still married to the step dad, disfunctional at it's best!!) and we all manage to get along with each other for the sake of each other.

they are grown up enough to handle being around each other for my husband, because they know that each one of them means something to him. that doesn't mean that they go out and are BFF'S or anything, but they tolerate, and don't dwell on the pain or hurt that each one of them has caused the other.

and yes, each one of them sat in the front rows with their new spouse at our wedding (the boyfriend was sitting in the regular seating), and they were listed in our invitations.



i do think that you may need some counseling to come to terms with how hurt you have been. i know i'd be devastated more by my sisters betrayal than the affair. stay strong, and instead of dwelling in the past, and all that anger and hurt. restart over, and focus on the relationship with your kids, and accept that they have a relationship with their fathers wife.

Tam - posted on 02/16/2012

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Perhaps I can give a perspective from another angle. Both my parents divorced and remarried when I was in my teens. Growing up, my mother tended to attack my dad's new spouse and I just tuned it out because honestly, it just sounded spiteful to me.



Fast forward several years, and I have kids of my own. My children know each of my parents and step-parents as 'grandma soandso' or 'grandpa soandso'. I honestly have no idea what else they would call them. Technically, because my step-parents are step-parents and played a role in my life in a parental capacity, they are also grand-parents to my children.



As for the wedding thing, most of my friends who have step-parents who married had much the same situation going on. In the end, the wedding is their day and the focus should be on the happy couple.



It's not my place to render judgement and I sincerely hope you don't take it as such. But you don't have to cut off contact from your children, who you obviously love dearly, just because of something that happened in the annals of time for you. Don't let the bad blood between you and your sister poison the relationship you have with your grandchildren. My mother very nearly did that with her relationship with my dad, even going so far as to criticize the name I game my daughter because it sounded so similar to my step-mother's nickname. (Unintentional, by the way.)



It is pretty messed up that your sister's actions contributed to your divorce. Yet it sounds like you were going that way in any case - not that it makes her actions back then forgivable. But if you wanted the divorce, that normally means you are ready to move on. Does it really, truly matter who he married once your relationship with him was dissolved? I divorced my ex-husband a few years ago and I honestly couldn't care less who he married, if he married at all.



I've always been on the belief that family is something to be enjoyed, cherished, and yes, shared. You can't expect to have 'something of your own' when you are thinking in terms of other people Family is not always determined by blood relations and titles do not a family member make.

Joy - posted on 02/16/2012

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I just want to say that my husband has two sets of parents. His parents divorced and remarried so he has Mom + step dad and Dad + step mom. Then on my side there's the aunt & uncle who raised me. My aunt & uncle are "grandmother & grandaddy" because that's what all of their other grand children call them. But my husband's parents & step parents.....His mom & step dad are ok with grandma & grandpa but his Dad's wife INSISTED that she NOT be called grandma so she is Miss Linda. She was trying to get me to just have him call her Linda but I had to put my foot down because I was raised that children do not call adults by their first name alone, small children at least.



Anyhow, I feel bad for you and your situation. That's all so horrible. It does seem like you are bitter, but to be honest, I don't blame you. I'd be bitter too if ANY woman, especially my sister, came in and took over my life. I can't imagine how much that hurt you back then, and still hurts you today. Not only did you lose your husband, you also lost your sister. I don't know if you and your sister were close before it all happened, but that kind of betrayal.....well, I'm not a violent person but she probably would have been my exception to the rule.



I do think that you need to just concentrate on what is in your control. One of those things is your ability to put your efforts into your grand children and children. Show them love, because it's true that there can never be enough love. Sadly, although I understand your desire to have something, just ONE THING be only yours....it doesn't appear that it's going to happen in regards to the kids and grand kids. The sooner you accept this, the easier it will be for you to let go. I really hope you find some peace in all of this. It's a tough situation and I really feel for you.

~Jennifer - posted on 02/16/2012

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I agree with Little Miss......some counseling might help.

I'm going to be blunt - you got ROYALLY screwed -and by everyone that you cared about - and it seems like no one has ever taken your feelings into account or validated how this all made you feel...

It's as if "you should just make the best of it" is what they're saying.....and there is no 'best' to make of it except for the fact that you didn't have to live with the cheating asshole all of your life (and that's what he is- a cheating asshole)



I can't imagine that anyone has ever told you this, but I will. The strength you have shown in surviving this 'mess' as you put it, is incredible. You have got to be one hell of a woman to have made it through all this. Don't ever let anyone tell you that your feelings are wrong- they're your feelings and you've earned the right to feel the way you do.



Please....find a professional that you can talk to who can help you sort out your feelings and your hurt. A woman of your strength deserves to be happy.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/16/2012

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I hope that did not come off as cold. I really feel for you in the situation you are in. But it is obvious that your son loves your sister a great deal. Unfortunately he is insensitive to your situation, and may never understand unless it happens to him. It is important in all divorces not to put the children in the middle, and obviously he has been from both sides.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/16/2012

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WOWZA! What a mess indeed. Well, what is odd to me, is that she is the Aunt and Great Aunt. Technically yes she is a step grandparent. In any other step parent situation, many step children that bond with their step parents will call them mom or dad, and therefor the grandchildren would call them granpa/grandma. That is honestly normal.



It would be sad to hear that you don't want contact with your own children and grandchildren because of your sister and your ex's extra-marital affairs.



My best advice, and this may be hard to hear, but maybe go see a counselor. It is obvious you are very hurt (rightly so) and have a lot of feelings and confusion to work out. Best of luck.