Im having a boy, Circumsion or no? Pros and Cons

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April - posted on 07/16/2009

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I'm a mother of 4 boys all circumsied, there are a lot of pros and cons it's easier to clean and keep from infection, plus the likely hood of having to get it done in the teens or adult hood are high, and it's healther and less painful to get it done now then when he is grown. and it also cuts the risk of cancer. but to decide it's best to really research and ask a pedatric doctor.

Crissy - posted on 07/16/2009

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Quoting Cami:

Im having a boy, Circumsion or no? Pros and Cons




I have 2 boys, my first one I did not get circumsized, this was his fathers decision at the time and I really did not know pros and cons with it. My youngest I did get and I believe it is best to do it.



As they get older, keeping it clean and just the fact now of being older and looking different I regret the decision not doing it to my first.  Just my 2 cents.

Janelle - posted on 07/15/2009

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I have two boys and both of them had it done before I left the hospital. First one right before I left and then second one was only I believe 2 days old. I had it done so soon because while there the nurses could also check on the healing and if anything went wrong, it would be caught quickly however all went well and by the time I went home the bandage was off and didn't look so red. Glad I did it that way.

Jamie - posted on 07/15/2009

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Quoting Shanda:



Quoting Jamie:

Wow, there are tons of responses to this. I only read the first page so.....

I made my decision based on what my sons circumcised father and I thought: We wanted him to be like daddy in that way, so that growing up he wouldn't wonder why he was different from daddy. Well, he's never studied daddy's pee-pee and compared them side by side, so I don't necessarily think that's a good reason.
They did it when he was one or 2 days old, before we left the hospital. He was screaming when they brought him back, and cried heavily for at least an hour afterwards. It really made me question my decision.
I don't regret doing it. But, I am more informed now (my son is 7, and we didn't have a computer for doing deep research. I trusted his pediatrician, who is a great doctor). If I were redoing it, I wouldn't have it done. Hearing your baby scream like that is enough to make you know you did the wrong thing, AND IT WASN'T EVEN FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS. Just aesthetic.
Anyway, the only reason I really commented was because of the stupid people that made it sound like you only have to clean an uncircumcised penis. Umm, You have to clean a circumcised one also, probably just as much.
I agree with waiting til they can make decisions on their own. I don't force my kids to be atheists like me, why would I force them to live with a religious practice that I don't even follow? And it isn't MORE painful when they are grown, they are just able to complain about it to you so you know.
And as for the crap about STD's being more prevalent in those that are uncircumcised....maybe you can teach your sons about safe sex? I think that will do a better job af preventing STD's that cutting off their penis skin.
But, I don't regret it anyhow. Just make a choice that you can live with for the rest of your life. You probably wouldn't be too happy with your parents if they elected to remove the hood of your clitoris, or even your labia for that matter. Then again, you might if it were something you preferred ;)






Great post!  That is how I feel about having circ'd my first son.  We didn't have internet access at the time, I was overwhelmed and others convinced me to do it.  I knew before they even brought him back it was the wrong choice.  We've been fortunate enough not to have any problems with his circ, and I hope that he doesn't ever resent me making that decision for him.  I chose differently with my second son and wish I had done the research before letting others convince me to do it the first time.  Anyway, all the points you made are well said!  :)





Thank you :)  I hoped that it made sense to someone other than me.



 



I had a tubal ligation after I had my son, since I had my boy and my girl already....but if I hadn't done that, and had another son, I wouldn't do it either.  (I know all about being overwhelmed when making decisions like that! My baby daddy (lol) is a pushy jerk! I've got more guts now! I'd tell him where to shove it.)



Even when they use general anesthetic....have you ever had a shot of lidocaine!?!?  I think that hurts about as much as the original complaint!



But yeah, thanx !

Shanda - posted on 07/15/2009

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Quoting Jamie:

Wow, there are tons of responses to this. I only read the first page so.....

I made my decision based on what my sons circumcised father and I thought: We wanted him to be like daddy in that way, so that growing up he wouldn't wonder why he was different from daddy. Well, he's never studied daddy's pee-pee and compared them side by side, so I don't necessarily think that's a good reason.
They did it when he was one or 2 days old, before we left the hospital. He was screaming when they brought him back, and cried heavily for at least an hour afterwards. It really made me question my decision.
I don't regret doing it. But, I am more informed now (my son is 7, and we didn't have a computer for doing deep research. I trusted his pediatrician, who is a great doctor). If I were redoing it, I wouldn't have it done. Hearing your baby scream like that is enough to make you know you did the wrong thing, AND IT WASN'T EVEN FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS. Just aesthetic.
Anyway, the only reason I really commented was because of the stupid people that made it sound like you only have to clean an uncircumcised penis. Umm, You have to clean a circumcised one also, probably just as much.
I agree with waiting til they can make decisions on their own. I don't force my kids to be atheists like me, why would I force them to live with a religious practice that I don't even follow? And it isn't MORE painful when they are grown, they are just able to complain about it to you so you know.
And as for the crap about STD's being more prevalent in those that are uncircumcised....maybe you can teach your sons about safe sex? I think that will do a better job af preventing STD's that cutting off their penis skin.
But, I don't regret it anyhow. Just make a choice that you can live with for the rest of your life. You probably wouldn't be too happy with your parents if they elected to remove the hood of your clitoris, or even your labia for that matter. Then again, you might if it were something you preferred ;)



Great post!  That is how I feel about having circ'd my first son.  We didn't have internet access at the time, I was overwhelmed and others convinced me to do it.  I knew before they even brought him back it was the wrong choice.  We've been fortunate enough not to have any problems with his circ, and I hope that he doesn't ever resent me making that decision for him.  I chose differently with my second son and wish I had done the research before letting others convince me to do it the first time.  Anyway, all the points you made are well said!  :)

Jamie - posted on 07/15/2009

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Wow, there are tons of responses to this. I only read the first page so.....



I made my decision based on what my sons circumcised father and I thought: We wanted him to be like daddy in that way, so that growing up he wouldn't wonder why he was different from daddy. Well, he's never studied daddy's pee-pee and compared them side by side, so I don't necessarily think that's a good reason.

They did it when he was one or 2 days old, before we left the hospital. He was screaming when they brought him back, and cried heavily for at least an hour afterwards. It really made me question my decision.

I don't regret doing it. But, I am more informed now (my son is 7, and we didn't have a computer for doing deep research. I trusted his pediatrician, who is a great doctor). If I were redoing it, I wouldn't have it done. Hearing your baby scream like that is enough to make you know you did the wrong thing, AND IT WASN'T EVEN FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS. Just aesthetic.

Anyway, the only reason I really commented was because of the stupid people that made it sound like you only have to clean an uncircumcised penis. Umm, You have to clean a circumcised one also, probably just as much.

I agree with waiting til they can make decisions on their own. I don't force my kids to be atheists like me, why would I force them to live with a religious practice that I don't even follow? And it isn't MORE painful when they are grown, they are just able to complain about it to you so you know.

And as for the crap about STD's being more prevalent in those that are uncircumcised....maybe you can teach your sons about safe sex? I think that will do a better job af preventing STD's that cutting off their penis skin.

But, I don't regret it anyhow. Just make a choice that you can live with for the rest of your life. You probably wouldn't be too happy with your parents if they elected to remove the hood of your clitoris, or even your labia for that matter. Then again, you might if it were something you preferred ;)

Jamie - posted on 07/15/2009

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Wow, there are tons of responses to this. I only read the first page so.....



I made my decision based on what my sons circumcised father and I thought: We wanted him to be like daddy in that way, so that growing up he wouldn't wonder why he was different from daddy. Well, he's never studied daddy's pee-pee and compared them side by side, so I don't necessarily think that's a good reason.

They did it when he was one or 2 days old, before we left the hospital. He was screaming when they brought him back, and cried heavily for at least an hour afterwards. It really made me question my decision.

I don't regret doing it. But, I am more informed now (my son is 7, and we didn't have a computer for doing deep research. I trusted his pediatrician, who is a great doctor). If I were redoing it, I wouldn't have it done. Hearing your baby scream like that is enough to make you know you did the wrong thing, AND IT WASN'T EVEN FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS. Just aesthetic.

Anyway, the only reason I really commented was because of the stupid people that made it sound like you only have to clean an uncircumcised penis. Umm, You have to clean a circumcised one also, probably just as much.

I agree with waiting til they can make decisions on their own. I don't force my kids to be atheists like me, why would I force them to live with a religious practice that I don't even follow? And it isn't MORE painful when they are grown, they are just able to complain about it to you so you know.

And as for the crap about STD's being more prevalent in those that are uncircumcised....maybe you can teach your sons about safe sex? I think that will do a better job af preventing STD's that cutting off their penis skin.

But, I don't regret it anyhow. Just make a choice that you can live with for the rest of your life. You probably wouldn't be too happy with your parents if they elected to remove the hood of your clitoris, or even your labia for that matter. Then again, you might if it were something you preferred ;)

Karen - posted on 07/15/2009

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Quoting Lisa:



Quoting Karen:





Quoting Alexis:

Listen, I work in the medical field and I also have two boys. Circumsion is not old school. I have seen many little boy's get phimosis. It is very painfull. Look up phimosis and look for pictures. Then decide for yourself.










Oh, MY!  Learn something new every day!











Everyone has known someone who's such and such bodily organ/part had something wrong with it/caused him/her pain/ didn't function properly.  Thats life.







Maybe we should cut off and remove every bodily part at birth that can give a person trouble during life. 







 






Aren't slippery slope arguments like that (and like the person who said "let's give our 2yo girls breast implants") just a bit extreme?  I didn't say to circumcize boys *because* of that.  I just commented that I'd never heard of it.   Yeesh!

Minnie - posted on 07/15/2009

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Quoting Karen:




Quoting Alexis:

Listen, I work in the medical field and I also have two boys. Circumsion is not old school. I have seen many little boy's get phimosis. It is very painfull. Look up phimosis and look for pictures. Then decide for yourself.








Oh, MY!  Learn something new every day!








Everyone has known someone who's such and such bodily organ/part had something wrong with it/caused him/her pain/ didn't function properly.  Thats life.




Maybe we should cut off and remove every bodily part at birth that can give a person trouble during life. 




 

Karen - posted on 07/15/2009

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Quoting Alexis:

Listen, I work in the medical field and I also have two boys. Circumsion is not old school. I have seen many little boy's get phimosis. It is very painfull. Look up phimosis and look for pictures. Then decide for yourself.



Oh, MY!  Learn something new every day!

Karen - posted on 07/15/2009

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I just asked my 16yo if he remembers getting circumcized at a day old. Our conversation:



"So, do you remember being circumcized?"

"Uh....NO....."

"Okay....do you wish you HADN'T been circumcized?"

"Not really, I'm fine with it, I guess."

"Were your friends circumcized, or don't you talk about stuff like that?"

"We don't talk about stuff like that. Why are you asking me these questions!!"

"Oh, I"m on a website and mothers are talking about it."

"Why should the mothers make that decision? Fathers should have a say in that."



Out of the mouths of babes....

Shanda - posted on 07/15/2009

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Quoting Jill:

WHY WOULDNT YOU! Its harder to clean for you and later on in his life... I had a kid in my highschool who wasnt - that poor boy caught hell! And if he decide later that he wants it done, its gonna hurt! hell never remember it if you get it done now.



Do you seriously believe that newborns don't feel pain?  Hey, welcome to the world, now let me cut a piece of your penis off.



Current statistics nationally are only 55% of infant boys are being circumcised.  With it now almost to 50/50 I can't see how they'd "catch hell" for not being mutilated.



There are tons of reasons not to (possibility of permanent disfigurement, infection from the surgery, possibility of hemmorage and even death, loss of a lot of sensation (sex isn't as good), unnecessary pain caused to your newborn, not giving HIM the right to choose-- and yes, I have known men that are upset that they weren't given a choice and wish that they had not been circ'd), but I didn't see you giving any valid reasons TO circumcise.  I don't see something like doing unnecessary cosmetic surgery on a newborn to be something to take so lightly.

Jill - posted on 07/15/2009

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WHY WOULDNT YOU! Its harder to clean for you and later on in his life... I had a kid in my highschool who wasnt - that poor boy caught hell! And if he decide later that he wants it done, its gonna hurt! hell never remember it if you get it done now.

Selina - posted on 07/15/2009

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WELL WE ASKED OUR DOCTOR AND HE SAY THAT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH NOT GETTING IT AND THAT PEOPLE USUALLY DO IT FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSSES AND I KNOW NONE OF MY BROTHERS WERE CERCUMSIZED AND THEY ARE ALL DOING GOOD

Shanda - posted on 07/15/2009

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Quoting Desiree:

Yes I say circumcision-In the long run it's cleaner and they could end up with complications. I knew some people that were of Indian descent and they do not believe in circumsicions but the boy ended up getting one when he was like 10 due to problems-When your son gets older I think he will have wished you gave him one if you don't!



Why would he wish that?  So he can have less pleasure during sex?  So that he can look like 55% of his classmates instead of just 45% of them?  Oh, and I suppose that there are never any complications with circumcisions?  Because, while I don't personally know anyone that has had a problem with their *intact* penis, I *have* known people who regretted having their sons circumcised because of complications with the surgery/recovery.

Desiree - posted on 07/15/2009

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Yes I say circumcision-In the long run it's cleaner and they could end up with complications. I knew some people that were of Indian descent and they do not believe in circumsicions but the boy ended up getting one when he was like 10 due to problems-When your son gets older I think he will have wished you gave him one if you don't!

Melissa - posted on 07/15/2009

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I have 2 boys and a husband and they r all circumsized. I am for it. I have a brother that had problems (he wasn't circumsized) so in his early 30's he had it done. I rather have it done as an infant than a grown man. Dr's will tell u that it real quick and very little bleeding. I would just get with ur Dr and discuss the pros and cons but I AM ALL 4 IT.

Slaine - posted on 07/15/2009

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As a nurse I would strongly urge you to have it done. Simply because as a adult if God forbid something happened and he became paralized ect., its not a fun or easy or pleasant thing to take care of for the caregiver or the patient.

Just a thought. Do what you both feel good about.

Misty - posted on 07/15/2009

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As a nurse I have seen older men get it done (since it wasn't done after birth) and it's very painful for them. I dated a man, when I was younger, that was not circumsized and I constantly got yeast infections, 1 every other month. My husband and I have 2 sons and both are circumsized. I got to watch both boys being circumsized and it's very minimal pain and no bleeding.

Minnie - posted on 07/15/2009

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Quoting Jessica:

Dr's say it is medically unneccessary, but I happen to disagree. It is so much easier for a male to keep his genital area clean without that extra fold of skin. Men aren't the best at personal grooming, remember. You may want to base it on whether or not daddy is circumsized. Some say it's better to have the man helping with potty training to "look the same". I think it's more likely he will be mad at you later on in life if you don't than if you do...



Oh gosh.  Maybe we should make female circumcision here legal again, because undoubtedly it's much easier for a woman to keep herself clean without all her folds.  Lets lop everything off, because then we won't have skin and a warm moist area that's great for growing yeast infections......

Alexis - posted on 07/15/2009

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Listen, I work in the medical field and I also have two boys. Circumsion is not old school. I have seen many little boy's get phimosis. It is very painfull. Look up phimosis and look for pictures. Then decide for yourself.

User - posted on 07/15/2009

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I vote no! There is no reason other than religion & cosmetic (& I dont believe thats a good reason at all) for it to be done to a newborn! Sure he might get an infection, which could be cured with antibiotics, but so could a girl & you wouldnt circ her for that reason, would you?

Minnie - posted on 07/15/2009

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Quoting Sarah:



Quoting Jemima:

I just don't really get this debate - I'm from Britain where babies aren't circumcised unless the parents are Jewish, and as far as I'm aware our male population don't all have infected penises...??!!??!!





Hahahahaha!! So true!! well said! :)






Yes! For all those touting "he'll get infections if he's not cut"- what do they think the rest of the world's men are doing?  I'm sure if that was the case they'd all be flocking en masse to be circumcized.

Michelle - posted on 07/15/2009

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I'm due in November with my first boy. I never thought about that. LOL. I will have him done, i think its less mess if its done.

Sarah - posted on 07/15/2009

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Quoting Jemima:

I just don't really get this debate - I'm from Britain where babies aren't circumcised unless the parents are Jewish, and as far as I'm aware our male population don't all have infected penises...??!!??!!


Hahahahaha!! So true!! well said! :)

Jemima - posted on 07/15/2009

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I just don't really get this debate - I'm from Britain where babies aren't circumcised unless the parents are Jewish, and as far as I'm aware our male population don't all have infected penises...??!!??!!

Jemima - posted on 07/15/2009

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I just don't really get this debate - I'm from Britain where babies aren't circumcised unless the parents are Jewish, and as far as I'm aware our male population don't all have infected penises...??!!??!!

Donna - posted on 07/15/2009

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My mother in law watches a little boy who is constantly having infections, if you don't circumsize then you must keep it clean in between the creases, most sitters not being knowledged don't do this and the parents need to teach the child, also growing up, people may make fun knowing especially shower time in highschool locker rooms and such, I knew a girl that said her boyfriend wasn't comfortable with his parents decision and decided to become circumsized at the age of 18, he felt a sence of normalcy.

Renee - posted on 07/15/2009

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I think that it is a personal preference but I will say that I am a nurse and I see lots of boys and men (even up in their 70's) who end up having to be circumsized and it is more painful then than it would have been as a baby. So that is something to consider when you are deciding what to do.

Annette - posted on 07/15/2009

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Circumsison.....it's cleaner and less painful when born. I just had my 13 year old circumsized 2 weeks ago because due to him growing, his skin tore a bit and was bleeding. The doctor said that it's a 50/50 chance of boys having this problem and it's okay. The only thing is that my son was put under and has stitches that are uncomfortable too. This is my opinion, but you have the final say. Good luck and congrats to you and your little one to come.

Belinda - posted on 07/15/2009

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My boyfriend is, and if i have a son i will have him circumsized. I had a family member i used to babysit and he was not circumsized and as a baby even though we were very careful to clean and bathe him he got an infection and we had to "skin it back" everytime a diaper was changed. Also i had an Ex who was not circumsized and there are certain things i didnt wanna "preform" because in my mind i never knew how clean it was unless he was straight outta the shower. But that was just me.

Jessica - posted on 07/15/2009

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Dr's say it is medically unneccessary, but I happen to disagree. It is so much easier for a male to keep his genital area clean without that extra fold of skin. Men aren't the best at personal grooming, remember. You may want to base it on whether or not daddy is circumsized. Some say it's better to have the man helping with potty training to "look the same". I think it's more likely he will be mad at you later on in life if you don't than if you do...

Jessie - posted on 07/15/2009

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I also asked the same question. I wasn't too wild about the idea. BUt I asked around and some friends actually circumcise their baby and some didn't. My doc said there's no scientific proof that it's any better to circumcise. It's just biblical, old testament, it was believed to be cleaner. So, we decided not to ...sparing our baby the pain and torture of circumcision. If there's no need, don't do it!

Joanna - posted on 07/15/2009

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I told my husband that it was his choice. He chose to have it done, which I can say had me very worried when they took baby away to do it. As it happens my father is Italian and he is not circumsized. When I was talking to my mom about it she said that when my brothers where born my father was very insistant on them having it done. I think you can run ito a lot of problems if you don't. Although on the flip side you could run into problems having it done, too. I think the main thing is to let your "baby daddy" decide. He knows the most about these things. Of course all the mommies out there don't want their newborns getting cut, but we would say no to shots too, just to spare them the sting!

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Quoting Korbyn:

I am a firm believer that boys should look like their daddy's


But why? Even if dad and baby are both circumcised (or not) there are much more significant differences - like hair and size. And no one here seems to worry that their daughters will be damaged because their breasts don't look like mom's. An adult and a child's penis are never going to look alike. If they do, there's something wrong! 

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My friend would get infections frome her husband that didn't have it done. It does hurt but only for a second. I have 4 boys and it isn't a big deal to have done.

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Quoting amy:
The babies don't feel pain because they are given local anesthsia so it is numb down there.




That isn't true. They do feel it, even with the local anesthesia, because newborns are too young to have stronger anesthesia and pain relief. Plus they have an open wound down there for several days which is probably painful as well. In fact, infants who were circumcised with anesthesia have been shown to be hypersensitive to pain compared to babies who are not circumcised:





http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/90577...





Not only do they feel it, but they 'remember' it, too.

Jennifer - posted on 07/15/2009

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It depends where you live in england they dont really do it unless there is a problem, I personally think it is better to have it done for cleaning purposes!! I dont really have much else to say but I have two boys and both of them are, good luck!! You know what I had to add this after reading some other post, Having your boys circumcised Is what you do, U dont have to but its just the norm I do NOT think it is Child abuse that is rediculous, nor is it cosmetic surgery ( Like breast Implants) some of these poeple are crazy!! Here is something I considered in making my choice, I was born in england they dont do it there like I said B4 but I live here and if my kid is the only 1 in the locker room who hasnt will he get made fun of?? Also what will girls think??? And as far as teenagers Hygiene will he take care of it correctly cause if not that could cause other problems, I thought about what would be best for HIS future. They DO NOT remember it AT ALL and I'm sure it hurts at the time but I think its for the best!! They give you the option to go and watch that I opted out of watching but as far as anything else I have cared for two that have been and everything was fine Dont get me wrong I have heard of bad things but if U go through your whole life worried about what if U will NEVER live!! And as far as the lady who said it should be his choice he could get it done later then it would hurt and he would remeber it that would be horrible!!! Anyway like I said B4 it is your decision and good luck!!

Amy - posted on 07/15/2009

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i t all depends i had my first son circumsion done when he was born and had no problems. my 2nd son was not able to get his done because he had a buried penis. well when my 2nd son was 2 years old he got an infection and had to have a correction of a buried penis and a circumsion and he is 6 years old and still remembers the pain he went through after the surgery. i think when your child has a circumsion done when he is a newborn it is better and they have a less chance of infection. but you need to talk to your doctor and ask for information and take you time to make a decison. The babies don't feel pain because they are given local anesthsia so it is numb down there.

Pancha - posted on 07/15/2009

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I had a hard time with that decision also and so did my husband. I went to my sisters and she happened to have an artice on the topic. I think it was Time magazine but not sure. The article described the procedure and it sounded horrific. Really a painful and traumatic description of the procedure and made a good case against it. It helped me and my husband make an immediate decision not to do it. My son is now 7, and I feel we made the right decision. I really see no reason to have it done. Also...there has been cases where things go wrong and could cause lifelong injury as with the risk of any procedure. I wish I remember the magazing and month cuz I would refer u to it. Once we read it....we were like no way, no more second guessing or thoughts of doing it.

-Pancha

Pancha - posted on 07/15/2009

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I had a hard time with that decision also and so did my husband. I went to my sisters and she happened to have an artice on the topic. I think it was Time magazine but not sure. The article described the procedure and it sounded horrific. Really a painful and traumatic description of the procedure and made a good case against it. It helped me and my husband make an immediate decision not to do it. My son is now 7, and I feel we made the right decision. I really see no reason to have it done. Also...there has been cases where things go wrong and could cause lifelong injury as with the risk of any procedure. I wish I remember the magazing and month cuz I would refer u to it. Once we read it....we were like no way, no more second guessing or thoughts of doing it.

-Pancha

LaCi - posted on 07/15/2009

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Quoting Jenifer:

Actually, some of those African studies did have control groups - the problem is they weren't very good studies anyway. In one, they instructed the circumcised men on safe sex and condoms, but not the intact men. In another, they lost twice as many of the circumcised men than intact men from the study - more than the total number who actually contracted HIV. That makes it pretty tough to draw conclusions from the data. And for every study that shows a connection between being uncircumcised and HIV, there's one that shows the opposite. Culture and sexual practices play a major role, and I'm not sure why people have such a hard time accepting that.


 



I don't think people have a hard time accepting that there are other factors involved. I think the true problem is a lack of initiative to investigate. People are fed information from television shows, things like *the doctors* and they accept it for truth when these television personalities say *studies show* without giving any information on the study. 



Its a lack of initiative and a lack of education. 

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I have several close friends with boys who all chose not to circumcise. It is a very dated practice and most doctors no longer do it. In fact, when my friend had her son and talked to her doctor about getting it done, she said that he looked at her rather aghast and said 'That just isn't done anymore.' I heard a man liken it to female circumcision, and he said 'Do you find THAT acceptable?'

Angela - posted on 07/15/2009

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My son is 11 months old and we chose to have him circumsized. His father wanted him to get it done because he's not. He has very bad memories about it too. I think all boys should be circumsized because it lowers their risk for infections and won't cause them embarassment when they're older.

Minnie - posted on 07/15/2009

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Quoting Kristen:

As a nurse, I always tell parents that if you are undecided, it is generally best to do what ever dad is. That way the child doesn't feel weird or different from dad. There are many pros and cons to both sides. I choose to have my boys circ. The children/men that I have seen had this procedure done later in life have had much more pain than an infant shows, and may more complications.



It saddens me when people on here who are apparently medical professionals give uneducated opinions as truth.  It just makes everyone in health care look bad.



 



There are NOT many pros and cons to BOTH sides.  Dad and son will NEVER look alike.  They're two separate individuals. 



And it really galls me that a grown man's perception of pain is given more weight than an infant's.  Because 'children men....much more pain than an infant shows.'  Because we choose to look past and ignore an infant's signals of distress and horror makes their experience of pain hold less weight?  How disturbing.

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Actually, some of those African studies did have control groups - the problem is they weren't very good studies anyway. In one, they instructed the circumcised men on safe sex and condoms, but not the intact men. In another, they lost twice as many of the circumcised men than intact men from the study - more than the total number who actually contracted HIV. That makes it pretty tough to draw conclusions from the data. And for every study that shows a connection between being uncircumcised and HIV, there's one that shows the opposite. Culture and sexual practices play a major role, and I'm not sure why people have such a hard time accepting that.

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Quoting LaCi:



Quoting Heather:

yeah of course not, but circumcision is nothing similar to that





Child abuse is child abuse. 






 






Cosmetic surgery on an infant? child abuse. 






Beating with a pole? child abuse. 






 






Female circumcision=illegal. Male circumcision=legal? how is this a fair society. 






A boy actually sued his parents for circumcising him at birth-and he won. 






 






Circumcision should be illegal. You are performing an unnecessary procedure on someone who is unable to consent. You couldn't force your 2 year old daughter to get breast implants because its "more attractive" and "now she won't have to do it when she's older"






Abuse.





I totally agree with you Laci.  Our society is full of double standards.

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Quoting Kristen:

As a nurse, I always tell parents that if you are undecided, it is generally best to do what ever dad is. That way the child doesn't feel weird or different from dad. There are many pros and cons to both sides. I choose to have my boys circ. The children/men that I have seen had this procedure done later in life have had much more pain than an infant shows, and may more complications.


Why does it matter what the dad looks like?? My breasts don't look like my mum's but i don't chop bits off until they do! :)

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