immunizations: For Or Against?

Sarah - posted on 02/02/2010 ( 201 moms have responded )

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My baby's two month check up is in a few days where she's supposed to receive a few shots. I was wondering if anyone else felt a little unsure about getting their child vaccinated or had an opinion on waiting a little while.

** I'm not against immunizations- I grew up being very cautious about immunizations because of the reaction my sister had to her DPT shot in the 80's (she has been mentally retarded her whole life after receiving them.)



**Update- Feb 5, 2010**



I decided to start a slower vacc. schedule because I just DO NOT feel comfortable with giving her multiple doses at a young age/size. Also, Some vaccines I don't feel comfortable with the side effects -she will not receive. If you have a problem, too bad; she's my child I'll raise her my own way.

I cried when she had her first shot and watched her like a hawk for the rest of the day to detect anything different in her actions. Thank you everyone for your opinions.

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Amanda - posted on 02/02/2010

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[Finally - I think - I don't really feel like vaccinating my child against diarrhea (Rotavirus) or Chicken Pox or diseases that really aren't very dangerous - or even Tetanus which isn't something that babies get - or Diptheria which has essentially been erradicated in most countries, including the US.]



Comments like this is why immuziations should be law.



First off Rotavirus - More than 500,000 children under five years of age die from rotavirus infection each year and almost two million more become severely ill. In the United States, before initiation of the rotavirus vaccination programme, rotavirus caused about 2.7 million cases of severe gastroenteritis in children, almost 60,000 hospitalisations, and around 37 deaths each year.



Chickenpox can every well kill a child. Without the vaccine, a child can be come extremely ill, with poxs inside the body and outside. Chickenpox was considered to harmless in 1999 they stopped givin this shot to children in my area, a few years later, the government brought the shot back because those children were very sick from something you would consider not dangerous, my son being one of them. Those two weeks changed my whole outlook on the need for vaccines, while I watched my son in pain, with pox in every hole you can imagine!!



Tenanus babies toddlers and young children do not fall down? They do not get wounds? I would think that children actually are very good targets to get Tenanus.



Diptheria is only considered eradicated because of people getting immuizations, if people stop giving their children shots for this, we still see a increase in Diptheria again.



I understand when parents do a different schedule then the one for babies now, I do not understand when a parent knowingly endangers children to illiness that can be deadly.

Kate CP - posted on 02/06/2010

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Bridget, I hate answering this stupid question over and frickin' over. "Why do unvaccinated children pose a threat to vaccinated children?"



BECAUSE: It takes several doses of a vaccine to become fully immune, so if my kid is in the middle of her vaccine schedule and YOUR kid who's toting around pertussis gives her a hug the chances of my child getting pertussis are pretty good. PLUS there are young children out there who aren't old enough to get vaccines YET. AND there is no 100% effective vaccine so some people, very small percentage, can still get sick.

Polio is genetic, eh? THAT'S NEWS TO ME!!! I was fairly certain, as well as the rest of the scientific community, that polio was shed through the intestinal lining. And your "fully vaccinated" adult friends who got sick probably hadn't had their boosters since childhood. Guess what? After about, oh, 15-20 years, the effectiveness of any childhood immunity, be it natural or "vaccine induced" WEARS OFF.



I really don't care if people refuse vaccines, hey that's your thing and have at it. But to spread misinformation about highly contagious diseases and scare people into or out of vaccines just pisses me off. Research and educate? I DO EVERY DAY. I don't know where you're getting your info but it sounds really off the wall and out dated to me.

Kate CP - posted on 02/03/2010

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Wait wait wait. Those of us who chose to vaccinate are uneducated and are forced to believe something? I'm the only one here who's been giving scientific evidence backing up my claims whereas every other person who is anti-vaccine is just going off of hearsay and rumor! BUT I'M THE UNEDUCATED ONE?!

Stephanie - posted on 02/06/2010

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your children were safe because of every other child around them that were vaccinated...if you had been so unlucky to come across some from another country say at the airport or some place like that that was carrying some sort of disease then your children would be at risk and then bringing it back into your community is putting other people's children at risk...

Kate CP - posted on 02/04/2010

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Okay, I'm gonna post the link AGAIN for y'all to see since no one has read the article:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/02/lan...

The medical journal that originally published the findings from Dr. Andrew Wakefield's study on the link between autism and MMR has RETRACTED the case study. That means officially the findings were bogus, the study was rigged, and the whole thing is worthless. THERE IS NO FRIGGIN' LINK BETWEEN AUTISM AND VACCINES!!!!!!!!!!

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Katie - posted on 02/06/2010

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Also to Setphanie's comment about new strands that we were originally vaccinated for... this has been going on long before more people decided to not vaccinate their children. It's just like any antibiotic or other drug... once the germ realizes that it has something fighting it, it will start to adapt and make new strands... its' been going on for thousands of years. It's not then"unvaccinated" peoples fault... it's just science and would be happening anyways.



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no it doesnt protect you no matter what, your a teacher you should know that...strands change, just like there are different strands of the flue....and yes, having unvaccinated children around, more and more every year mostly do to false information, weakens our immune system as a community as a whole....



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Yeah, um I know that germs and things change... that's what I said. It's been going on for thousands of years and is still going on. Just because vaccines have come into the world doesn't mean it stops. The unvaccinated people do not pose a threat to people vaccinated... it would just be to themselves. It doesn't weaken society as a whole. I bet you would be surprised also at how many people aren't vaccinated and go to school. What I want to know since several of you don't want your kids in the same school as the unvaccinated children... do we have a right then to put your kids in a different school if they aren't on their reading level or struggle in math or can't write because the teacher needs to spend more time with your child then and can't help the ones who are on target succeed more? We can't segregate children based on what they've had and not had. Are you going to go live in a bubble because maybe your neighbor hasn't vaccinated their children?



Seriously people it is the parents choice. I just hope that all parents educate themselves on the issue instead of trusting their doctor completely or other literature. Make sure you are informed all around. No one is bad for not doing it. I think that vaccines have helped a lot of people, it's just I cannot willingly inject my son with the other ingredients that are in the vaccines! I would not just give my son an injection of anitfreeze or aborted baby lung tissue or monkey kidney tissue. Why would I let it get into his system with a vaccine? I think our governement needs to clean them up more and take this junk out and people won't be as scared. If the government did clean them up I would be taking my son to get his vaccines right away... until then he doesn't get certain ones and the one he gets we take slow. If he chooses when he is older to go and get them, then he can. There is no reason unless you live a drughouse or something to give your child Hep B. Chickenpox- let them get it naturally. They'll have better immunity anyways with that one to get it naturally.

Krystal - posted on 02/06/2010

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Okay...so "not immunizing is a form of child abuse" is completely backwards. I think that injecting your child with neurotoxins IS a form a child abuse.

Why do people think that injecting your babies with these substances will protect them? It's like people who get the flu shot and think they are all set. Oye people...

Stephanie - posted on 02/06/2010

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bridget, there was no attack on anyone, she was only stating the truth...and i think you need to hear it...

Bridget - posted on 02/06/2010

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"For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of acontention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men (and women) to contend with anger, one with another. "

I hope there are mothers reading who have compassion and understanding, I think this is as far as I will go with this group if there are such contentious attacks on fellow mothers here.

Kate CP - posted on 02/06/2010

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Is no body reading anything? THE REASON WHY KIDS WHO AREN'T VACCINATED POSE A THREAT TO CHILDREN WHO ARE IS...It takes several doses of a vaccine to become fully immune, so if my kid is in the middle of her vaccine schedule and YOUR kid who's toting around pertussis gives her a hug the chances of my child getting pertussis are pretty good. PLUS there are young children out there who aren't old enough to get vaccines YET. AND there is no 100% effective vaccine so some people, very small percentage, can still get sick.



Okay. I have to go do something else before I have an aneurysm. This whole thread is making my brain hurt.

Stephanie - posted on 02/06/2010

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Also to Setphanie's comment about new strands that we were originally vaccinated for... this has been going on long before more people decided to not vaccinate their children. It's just like any antibiotic or other drug... once the germ realizes that it has something fighting it, it will start to adapt and make new strands... its' been going on for thousands of years. It's not then"unvaccinated" peoples fault... it's just science and would be happening anyways.

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no it doesnt protect you no matter what, your a teacher you should know that...strands change, just like there are different strands of the flue....and yes, having unvaccinated children around, more and more every year mostly do to false information, weakens our immune system as a community as a whole....

Kate CP - posted on 02/06/2010

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I'm sorry, Bridget, but my eyes glazed over and my brain shut off when you started saying that God made horrible disease that maim and torture innocent young children to help us learn sympathy.



I promise you that there are no little rubella germs lurking in refined sugar or flour. You do realize that there is no cure for AIDS, cancer, polio, asthma, diabetes, and hundreds of other common diseases that "God created"? Ask we shall receive, huh? I'm pretty sure that millions of people are praying sincerely and with all their hearts EVERY DAY, every MINUTE of every day, that a cure for cancer will be found to save their loved one.



What about "God helps those who help themselves"? God gave us the science and the intelligence to create vaccines to eradicate these diseases. Not using vaccines for the reasons you've listed is like tossing back a lifesaver and saying "No, no, I'd rather wait for you to jump in and save me yourself."

Katrina - posted on 02/06/2010

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"Eleven years ago, a study appeared in The Lancet that linked the Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccine to autism. On Sunday, The Times of London ran an investigative story saying that altered data was behind the study all along.The Times' story isn't the first to dispute those original vaccine claims that sparked the continuing vaccine debates that still exist today. Study after study of MMR have shown no link of the vaccine to autism. But it is a reminder of just how easily we can all be played when it comes to our kids. ." :WASHINGTON POST.

I found this article, and the snippet below regarding new immunization research, to address the fears that were raised regarding immunizations some years ago starting so much anguish in new parents over vaccinating. At 54 I remember polio, and deaths from measles. The health enjoyed by today’s children is because of the vaccines Americans for generations were privileged to get. I can't imagine any mother tolerating the possibility of endangering her child, there is no wonder you consider all issues carefully.... but please take care in not immunizing, if this were to become commonplace, we could again be stricken with terrible crippling disease, as many 3rd world countries still are.....



DAVOS, Switzerland — The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation will donate $10 billion over the next decade to research new vaccines and bring them to the world's poorest countries, the Microsoft co-founder and his wife said Friday.

Calling upon governments and business to also contribute, they said the money will produce higher immunization rates and aims to make sure that 90 percent of children are immunized against dangerous diseases such as diarrhea and pneumonia in poorer nations.

"We must make this the decade of vaccines," Bill Gates said in a statement. "Vaccines already save and improve millions of lives in developing countries. Innovation will make it possible to save more children than ever before."

Gates said the commitment more than doubles the $4.5 billion the foundation has given to vaccine research over the years.

The foundation said up to 7.6 million children under 5 could be saved through 2019 as a result of the donation. It also estimates that an additional 1.1 million kids would be saved if a malaria vaccine can be introduced by 2014. A tuberculosis vaccine would prevent even more deaths.

"Vaccines are a miracle," said Melinda Gates. "With just a few doses, they can prevent deadly diseases for a lifetime."

Margaret Chan, head of the World Health Organization, called the Gates contribution unprecedented and urged governments and private donors to add to the initiative.

"An additional two million deaths in children under five years could be prevented by 2015 through widespread use of new vaccines and a 10 percent increase in global vaccination coverage," said Chan.

The Gates statement said the foundation would help to dramatically reduce child mortality in the next 10 years and urged others to pitch in with research funding and other financial support for poor children.

Katie - posted on 02/06/2010

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Actually, you do not HAVE to have your child vaccinated before you go to school. You can have papers signed by you and depending on the state you live in it could be because of religious beliefs, medical reasons, or phiolosphical reasons. Obviously pro-vaccine people don't have all the facts either. I know this because I have looked it up and I am a school teacher and have seen these forms used. Also if your child is vaccinated... shouldn't the vaccine "protect" you from the illness no matter what. The nonvaccinated kids don't "weaken" your childs "protection". Please.

Also, the people who choose not to have their kids vaccinated are not parasites! People who have been vaccinated against some of these illnesses still get them... aren't you suppose to be protected against them and not get them if you are vaccinated. So a vaccine doesn't always work.

There is also not a lot of evidence for the anti-vaccine side because they can never get grant money from the government to help them with their studies. The government is always so willing to give money to people who want to prove vaccines are perfectly safe, but yet they are unwilling to support the other side. Talk about biased there. The government just wants its money and doesn't care if it is harming kids in any way. I want to see the government start supporting both sides.

With the whole vaccinces and Autism thing, I don't believe that vaccinces were the major casue of it. I think it was several things that clicked together and ingerdients in vaccines may have triggered it. Since the original publication- which now has been redone to make it look like it is more for vaccines than originally stated- the governement hasn't done any research into what is acutally causing autism. Why? If vaccines truely aren't the cause or a trigger to it, then why be so scared to look things up. There is seriously something wrong with our government here.

Also to Setphanie's comment about new strands that we were originally vaccinated for... this has been going on long before more people decided to not vaccinate their children. It's just like any antibiotic or other drug... once the germ realizes that it has something fighting it, it will start to adapt and make new strands... its' been going on for thousands of years. It's not then"unvaccinated" peoples fault... it's just science and would be happening anyways.

Bridget - posted on 02/06/2010

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That sounds suspiciously like superstition. What ethereal thing are we protecting against now?

Seriously though, if our implementation of disease control is producing super-bugs as a side-effect perhaps we are doing it wrong? Rather than disease eliminating, which biologists argue for and against the notion that childhood diseases are designed to strengthen the adults immune system- (perhaps very much designed by a clever Father in Heaven who wants us to learn sympathy for others by experiencing sickness ourselves while improving our quality of life in His way); rather that this we could be focusing and researching how to survive the diseases and reduce the misery and mortality factor. When my children had the childhood diseases that I strongly suspect they had their misery factor was low. Once upon a time when the Jones' had chicken pox or other childhood diseases we would take our children over there quick so they could catch it and get it over with at a young age because the disease would be less severe. Our refined sugar, refined flours, refined dairy product, refined foods of any sort intake is low to nil. We eat from our garden, we grind our own grains and eat a large portion of our food raw, and very little meat. Ask our Heavenly Father how to best feed His little ones and he will tell you. Ask sincerely and you will recieve. He designed the diseases and he designed the cures. I asked Him when I became a mother nearly 10 years ago and it was not a one-time revelation, but has been an ongoing education by His mercy and wisdom.

Sunny - posted on 02/06/2010

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My thoughts are like this. I'm going to get every single shot OTHER than the flu shots and any variations of the such. Why? Because, if my baby girl is exposed to a disease, and she wasn't immunized, she could get it and get VERY sick. I don't believe in the flu shots though, because they are required every single year to work, and when I got it, I got VERY sick for the three years I got one and now, years later, still get very sick once a year, when before I got the shots I never got the flu.



I don't want my girl around anyone not immunized, either! What if she's too young to get a certain type of shot, and she's around someone who is old enough but chose not to get it, and contracted the disease unknowingly? The older child may have better natural immunity, and can fight off the disease not knowing he or she has it in the first place, but my daughter cannot. She could contract said disease, and because she is younger and doesn't have the immunity yet due to age and size, she could die.



I'm going to immunize her to help her and every child around her. These diseases WERE big and bad before, and thanks to immunizations, they have fallen to barely being seen in the major countries. If we stop immunizing, in the world we know today where people do travel to places where the diseases are bigger, then when they come back with the disease dormant the unimmunized will get sick and it'll become big again.



That's my thoughts.

Stephanie - posted on 02/06/2010

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if your speaking to me Anne, I dont need to decide, i already know how i feel about it..

Stephanie - posted on 02/06/2010

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because more and more children are being unvaccinated...which leads to new strains that we were originally vaccinated for...so the more and more children unvaccinated the more risk posed to everyone else...

Bridget - posted on 02/06/2010

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Vaccinations are not the law, it is the parents right to decide themselves whether a child should recieve their shots. If you believe the shots work, and your children are infact "immune" from these diseases then why, I ask, would the unvaccinated children pose any threat to the general public? My children are not vaccinated. I am not afraid of the childhood diseases. I have educated myself about the symptoms, and risk factors involved in the childhood diseases and find that we are not at a significant risk from the diseases, but may be at significant risk from the vaccinations. Thus my decision to refuse. I have not had a doctor confirm, but as I can estimate we have had one or more of our children have chicken pox, measles, rubella, mumps (fully vaccinated husband got that one too btw), and polio (which our friends also got though they were fully vaccinated). As the only real risk for mumps is for boys, a girl should never need this shot; as the only risk from rubella is to pregnant women's fetus', boys should never need this shot and girls shouldn't need it until they are of a childbearing age. As the risk from polio is strongly indicated by genetics, certain families should have no need for those shots. Please research and educate lest our freedom to refuse vaccinations be revoked incorrectly.

Stephanie - posted on 02/06/2010

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and yes that is true...their is never a win win situation...and i realize it can't be reality, but we as parents have to be "advocates" even for our IMMUNIZED children as well and I guess thats all we can do

Kate CP - posted on 02/06/2010

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Well...it's not that simple, unfortunately. People argue that kids who don't get their shots have just as much right to go to school as those who do and vice versa. So, if we were to segregate those children (which, let's face it, it would be segregation in some peoples' opinions) then we would have to spend millions of tax dollars to build schools JUST for the kids who don't get their vax.



The ONLY way to fix this problem is to make vaccines 100% natural and safe for every single person/infant on the planet. And we all know that's never going to happen and even if it did there will still be some people out there (several of whom I am certain frequent this forum) who will believe the government is still lying and trying to kill/sterilize thousands of people just by giving them vaccines. It's a never ending battle. :/

Stephanie - posted on 02/06/2010

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i understand that we have the first amendment, yada yada, and its prob not fed law, but its the rules and regulations of the Public School District, so dont you think that maybe those children whose parents believe a certain way shouldnt be going to school with all the other children that get vaccinated to protect themselves? i know that may sound harsh, but to me it should be reality. I dont put my child through getting tons of vacc's to protect herself so that she can just go to school to have it weakend by all the other children who's parents are "advocates" for them. I expect my child to be safe and protected when she goes to school. It is unfair to me and my children that the children of those "advocates" or religious beliefs are using my children to keep themselves safe.. and thats the truth.

Kate CP - posted on 02/06/2010

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Well, Stephanie, there are religions out there that are vehemently against vaccines or any type of medical intervention. So, being that we have the 1st amendment, it's sort of required that those religious groups have a legal right to opt out of vaccines.



Although I do agree that people who don't have a religious reason for opting out of vaccines do overly-use that excuse.

Stephanie - posted on 02/06/2010

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exactly....its those people who says its a religious reason that get to opt out and put everyone at risk...i would say their are certain surrcumstances where medically a child can't get those shots because of some reason i wouldnt know to say....but i honostly think that becuase they put the clause about religion in getting kids vaccinated, people are taking advantage of it

Kate CP - posted on 02/06/2010

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Amy: They never have been linked to AIDS by any credible source. That's a load of crap, honestly. Unless a dirty needle was used to administer a vaccine there is no way that shots cause AIDS.

Stephanie - posted on 02/06/2010

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believe me, i hope she finds much sucess and happiness too, but the only reason we dont have these wide spread epidemics is because we get vaccinated, the point is...when you dont get vaccinated you are putting your child at risk and everyone elses at risk...and thats the bottom line

Kate CP - posted on 02/06/2010

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No, Stephanie it's not state or federal law. You can opt out of vaccines using a religious or medical excuse.

Claudia - posted on 02/06/2010

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It is your right as a mother to decide what is best for your baby. I have refused to let the medical community ditate the way I am going to raise my children. We, as mothers, are our childrens advocates and as her primary caregiver, you best know her and her needs. I have also chosen slow vac and have found it difficult to find support from physicians. I hope that you find much sucess and happiness:)

Stephanie - posted on 02/06/2010

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i understand its everyone choice, which really its not because the law states that you have to be vacc before you enroll in school, but your choosing to not vacc your child and choosing to for me to put my child at risk, do you think thats fair?

Nichole - posted on 02/06/2010

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"Good healthy natural food and exercise will keep the inmune system in good shape and able to fight off any sickness."

ANY sickness, wow... so your kids could then have sex with say a HIV infected person and not catch it then right? I no longer want to live in the movie Avatar, I want to live in the world you do where you eat veggies and do push ups and you're immortal!

Kate CP - posted on 02/06/2010

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Rose, I said it before and I'll say it again: fruits and veggies cannot and do not prevent disease. They just don't. They can't. Eating a healthy, balanced diet is good for any person in any physical condition be it good or poor. An immune system cannot be "boosted" or increased by food or herbs or vitamins. It's not possible. The only way to increase an immune system (neutrophils, leukocytes, lymphocytes) is to administer a drug called GCSF (Granulocyte colony-stimulating factor).

Stephanie - posted on 02/06/2010

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I think it is everyones choice...they have come a lot further with everything now. You just have to weigh the risks and talk to your kids dr. What are the chances it could cause something. What are the chances they could catch the illness if not vacinated? Most drs will give you an honest opinion. Like with the h1n1 I wouldn't let my son have it because it was something new and something they were rushing to make. His dr said it was fine and supported my decision.

Stephanie - posted on 02/06/2010

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A slower vacc schedule is great if thats what makes you feel comfortable. The only shot I have thought twice about was the H1N1 but all the vacc that they need to go to school I have never worried about. They have never linked vaccines to autism or retardation and when they tried to bring up a lawsuit there was no evidence what-so-ever to prove that they cause any problems in babys.



Vaccinating your children is not sacrificing them. To acknowledge that you are putting other children at risk of potentially deadly disease, and yet do nothing, thats selfish. Tthe anti-vaccine parents are like parasites benefiting from the protection of the vaccinated majority. Parasite is a little strong, but the analogy is apt.



There is substantial evidence that communities with pools of unvaccinated clusters risk infecting a broad community that includes people who have been inoculated.



For instance, in a 2006 mumps outbreak in Iowa that infected 219 people, the majority of those sickened had been vaccinated. In a 2005 measles outbreak in Indiana, there were 34 cases, including six people who had been vaccinated.





The disease can use the unvaccinated as a petri dish, changing its genome and then jumping over to the vaccinated. Now different enough from the vaccine to spread among the vaccinated, the outbreak really gets going.



So get your children vaccinated, not just for their health, but for all of ours. The risks are small, the benefits huge. Its like paying your taxes or not breaking the sewer system. Its just the good thing to do.

Leslie - posted on 02/06/2010

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I used Dr. Sears Vaccine Book for a reference. I also get my child's shots at the health dept for free or reduced fee where I don't have to explain to my doctor, or have my doctor lecture me on my choices of staggering or opting out of certain vaccines.

Nichole - posted on 02/06/2010

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So this Doctor (laughable at best) PHYSICALLY ABUSED the kids at the party? If I wasn't already pro vaccination, I would be now with the credibility of people like this as a member of the anti-vaccine parade! Is he at LEAST in jail for jabbing these poor kids and poking things up their backsides? He could hold the cure for cancer and I wouldn't ever give that pedophile the time of day, YUCK!

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I went with a delayed schedule for my son as well. Check out "The Vaccine Book" by Dr Sears. It is not biased. It just gives you the info you need to make a decision.

Cassie - posted on 02/06/2010

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Agreed Kate! There is no point in posting information against the DPT vaccine when it is no longer in use.

Again, people seem to have the inability to find credible sources to support not vaccinating which includes using outdated sources that are no longer relevant to the debate...

Kate CP - posted on 02/06/2010

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First of all, Monica, don't post books on the forum, please. Secondly, you are quoting a source that is a) NOTORIOUSLY anti-vaccine, b) over 15 years out-dated AT LEAST, and c) WAY too long for any person on an internet forum to read casually.



Could you find some information stating how deadly the CURRENT vaccines are from a source that isn't quite so biased?

Kate CP - posted on 02/06/2010

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The DPT vaccine IS NOT the DTaP vaccine. They are different! The DPT vaccine did cause a lot of vaccine related injuries because they were using whole-cell pertussis whereas the vaccine that is now being used (DPT hasn't been available in the US since 2002) uses acellular pertussis which is MUCH safer. So Monica your information is over 15 years outdated.

Katie - posted on 02/06/2010

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I have waited with our son to get vaccines. He has only had one does of the DTaP one and he is 15 months old. He would have gotten the second does at the 15 month visit, but he was sick so we wouldn't do it. We will go in a few weeks when he feels better. I am not against them either, it's just I am being very cautious to them. He will not be getting certain ones because I feel that they are not warrented right now. I do feel that they give our children way too much with vaccines. For example when I was a baby we only got 35 total shots. Now they give kids over 125 shots by the time they are 5. The ingredients in the vaccines are sometimes things I would never willingly inject into my child. They do need to be cleaned up some. I am not against them because they have saved millions of lives. I just prefer to give them to my son one at a time and slowly. They are your kids and you have a right to give them or not. Be strong and don't let anyone tell you that you are a bad parent or are doing your child harm because you choose to take it slow with them (like I am) or not done at all. It is our rights as parents to raise our kids how we want to.

Monica - posted on 02/06/2010

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Girls: read this:

Vaccination Statistics (http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/...)

A 1992 study published in The American Journal of Epidemiology shows that children die at a rate 8 times greater than normal within three days after getting a DPT vaccination.

A preliminary study by the Center for Disease Control (CDC) found children who received the HiB vaccine ... were found to be 5 times more likely to contract the disease than children who had not received the vaccine.

In the New England Journal of Medicine July 1994 issue a study found that over 80% of children under 5 years of age who had contracted whooping cough had been fully vaccinated.

In 1977 Dr Jonas Salk (inventor of the Salk polio vaccine) testified with other scientists that 87% of the polio cases which occurred in the US since 1970 were the by-product of the polio vaccine.

The Sabin oral polio vaccine (OPV) is the only known cause of polio in the us today.

The February 1981 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found that 90% of obstetricians and 66% of pediatricians refused to take the rubella vaccine.

The pro-vaccination side is all that is offered in the media, schools, doctor’s offices, PHS, and all government publications. This is a biased one-sided view of vaccinations based much on manufacturer’s studies and writings. The other side is rarely discussed and adverse events after vaccination are dismissed as a one-in-a-million chance which is a necessary risk we all have to take. The truth is that the risks are far greater than they are telling us, and there are no mandatory vaccines. Extreme pressures are placed on parents for not signing permission and accepting all responsibility for the toxic vaccines. Yet, doctors cannot guarantee the safety of vaccines or that they will even work. Many vaccinations fail to achieve their intended level of immunity and many cause horrible complications (including death) which one will have to suffer for the rest of their life. The trade-off is not wroth the risk. Mumps and measles are innocuous childhood diseases, but the vaccines have caused cancer, diabetes, brain damage, leukemia, autism, and even death (SIDS).

This information is to provide a balance against the pro-vaccination literature which is easily available. Anti-vaccination philosophies are sometimes difficult to find and anti-vaccinationists are called names in an attempt to discredit their reasoning. One must concede that both sides are biased in their views, however skewed. Truth is what is needed and that seems to be lacking in the pro-vaccination literature. If vaccines were good for us, there would be no reason for dishonesty and deceit. If vaccines were safe and effective there would be no issue here. Anti-vaccination literature only wants to support the truth and honestly tell the facts as they really are. Only by becoming educated in this very important issue can one make an informed decision. Yet, every day parents are asked to roll up Johnny’s sleeve with very little consideration as to what their permission is for. Few people realize that vaccines are grown on monkey kidneys, mice brains and chicken embryos. Few people realize the dire consequences of injecting foreign animal tissues (DNA/RNA) and the auto-immune reactions they can induce. Few people realize that vaccines are immune depressing and may cause cancers, leukemias and even have been linked to AIDS.

Only by keeping people in the dark (ignorant to the ill-effects of vaccinations) can vaccination profit-levels be kept high. Parents are purposefully not given the facts concerning vaccines, or they are given altered data and only the glossy side of the pro-vaccine issues. A one-sided view is delivered to parents who are not being educated or informed, but it favors vaccinations! Ignorance may be bliss, but not in vaccination issues, where death and severe damage may ensue. Many people do not even know (nor are they told) that vaccines are grown on animal organs and contain foreign DNA/RNA of those animals. Vaccinations are blood products and hazardous to our immune system. The medical literature is full of citations linking vaccines to many diseases, both causally (cause-associated) and temporally (time-associated). Yet, people erroneously assume that because vaccines are mandated by law that the government is verifying to their safety and effectiveness. Nothing can be further from the truth, since the government relies on the data from the manufacturers for the vaccine safety studies and coaxes to their research for vaccine effectiveness.

Few people realize that vaccines have been linked with brain damage, lowered IQ, ADD, learning disabilities, and autism. Yet, neurological disorders are among the most listed and studied vaccine complications in the medical literature. Unvaccinated children have a level of health that is unsurpassed by "normal" children, because they have not had their immune systems depressed or tampered with by vaccines. Unvaccinated children have higher IQs and less brain dysfunction than "normal" children. Unvaccinated children are truly healthy in every way possible. Few parents are told of the real consequences of vaccines, but only that they "prevent" disease. Yet, the truth is that vaccines cause more diseases than they "prevent". Vaccines are not safe and effective as we are led to believe. Their prevention of disease is more myth than reality as we will see how they manipulate the data and facts to make vaccines appear to "work". We will look at why vaccines are bad for our health and why .... Vaccines Prevent Health.

2) Vaccine Production, Allergies and Harmful Ingredients-

Everyday millions of children are lined up and injected with toxic putrid substances grown on animal organs, cancer cells, aborted fetuses and other toxic substances. Few people are questioning how those viruses were obtained and how they were grown in a laboratory. If one would ask these sensible questions, one would become very enlightened about vaccine production. I warn you now, discussing vaccine-production will turn your stomach. Vaccines are made from the most vilest and filthiest substances on the earth. Since the definition of abomination is "anything that is filthy", the term describes vaccinations adequately and truthfully. The vaccine "cauldron" is full of putrid junk from bodies exposed to disease and excreting morbid purulence. Science gathers this junk up in hopes of making vaccines for "preventing" disease; and we are being fooled while vaccinations cause increases in diseases.

First, pathogenic (disease-causing) viruses will not grow on healthy "soil" (the medium). If the environment is correct within our body, the virulent viruses and disease-causing germs will not grow. For example, hepatitis virus does not grow on a side-walk, nor in a healthy person. To make the vaccine, the manufacturers have to get the virus from somewhere, so they get them from persons with hepatitis. Makes sense. [The first hepatitis vaccines (of the 70s) were grown from the blood of the gay community, since they had high levels of hepatitis.] Today, they are much more "sophisticated", they just gather up bodily excrements from persons with hepatitis and culture the virus. Which excrements?

... Use your imagination: urine, blood, feces, pus and other excrements. In vaccine production anything goes. (How about cadaver organs and blood of persons who died of hepatitis?)

Once the virus is gathered, it must be grown on a toxic medium ... remember pathogens will not grow on healthy tissue. The medium used is generally animal organs and tissues combined with the proper culture medium and "nutrients". BHK (baby hamster kidney) cells, monkey kidneys, HeLa cells (cancer cells from Henrietta Lacks), aborted fetal tissues (used in the rubella vaccine called RA 27/3) and other animal organs are used in vaccine production. [Remember it is the foreign animal genetic materials which make vaccines so dangerous.] Once the virus has been grown, it is inactivated with formaldehyde (a potent carcinogen) or other agent. Other substances (adjuvants) may be added to the vaccines, like mercury (thiomersol), phenol, aluminum, antibiotics, and other ingredients which promote the vaccine’s effectiveness. All these substances are unnatural, synthetic, and immune suppressing, and some are even carcinogenic. The production of vaccine ‘lymph’ has been the main function of producing vaccines in the laboratory. Viruses don’t grow well in healthy individuals and toxic (un-healthy) cultures must be used. For example, mice bred to get cancer don’t get cancer unless they are fed a nutrient deficient diet. Now that means that we don’t have to get cancer either, as long as we eat a good nutritious diet. (See Psalms 139:14)

Therefore, first viruses are grown in toxic culture medium, which supports there activity and allows their grown and metabolism. Most pathogens live under anaerobic (toxic) conditions (absence of oxygen) and would die in the presence of oxygen. Therefore, as one builds health, develops good nutrition and exercise (breathing), more oxygen is delivered to the tissues and pathogens cannot grow there. This is what we mean when we say it is the "soil" which is important to our health. "The terrain is everything", Pasteur conceded on his death bed. Yet vaccine production includes many un-natural and toxic ingredients, which we would never knowingly put into our body. Naturopathic principles (and common sense) do not include the injection of viruses grown on toxic animal tissues.

Vaccinations are biological agents made from the filth of the earth, from diseased organs and sick animals and people. These toxins are injected in a person in order to increase their antibodies against that disease and produce immunity. Yet, scientist have very little understanding of what immunity is and what makes a strong immune system. Nutrition is key in any immune enhancing program, but they ignore nutrition (herbs/vitamins/foods) in favor of profitable injections. Vaccines do more to "sensitize" than to "immunize" for they contain many toxic ingredients which cause sensitizing reactions, like allergies and anaphylaxis. As you read these citations, think about the sensitizing effects of those toxic (foreign) substances present in vaccines. Mercury has been cited as causing auto-immune conditions and increases the ANA titre (used to diagnose Lupus). Allergy/anaphylaxis is merely severe sensitization to the materials present in vaccines. All vaccines depress the immune system and contain harmful and toxic ingredients which may cause allergic or sensitizing reactions. But how can depressing the immune system create immunity to disease? We are fooled if we think that it can. Vaccines Prevent Heath!

Allergies have been said to be related to the larger protein molecules circulating within our blood stream, and vaccinations place large (foreign) sized protein molecules with in the blood stream. During the process of digestion these protein molecules are broken down so that circulating immune complexes are not a problem. Leaky gut syndrome is linked to allergies because it allows the gut to pass large protein molecules into the blood stream. These are then filtered out by the lymph-nodes and may cause problems there such as lymphadenitis. Clogged lymphatics cannot support the cellular immune system composed of the white blood cells and lymph. Therefore, allergies compromise the immune system and reduce immunity. The lymph also carries nutrients to the tissues and is the transportation medium for fats in our body. Every cell needs high quality fats, which should come from unprocessed foods and natural sources.

Horowitz states, "Most parents who feed their children properly would not let them eat a food which contained any of the many ingredients of immunizations." Koren noted, "Some of the ingredients in childhood vaccines are: thimerosal (mercury disinfectant/preservative), aluminum (additive to promote antibody response), formaldehyde (disinfectant), ethylene glycol (antifreeze) phenol (disinfectant, dye) benzethonium chloride (antiseptic) and methylparaben (antifungal, preservative).

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My comment "Just remember more people has died from immunizations than people dying from the desease we are trying to protect it from" is based on this article: http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/... : Quote: "A 1992 study published in The American Journal of Epidemiology shows that children die at a rate 8 times greater than normal within three days after getting a DPT vaccination."

Laurie - posted on 02/06/2010

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I have fortunately found a fairly conservative doctor. Neither He nor I subscribe to the "flavor of the month" philosophy. After a vaccine has been around, tested, proven useful and successful will I use it for myself or my family. Sorry this is somewhat after the fact, but your child is still young and there are more potential "shots" in her future. BTW, I have an eleven year old and none of us get flu vaccines. We have not gotten the flu.

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I am guessing you have already gone to the doctor and have started your schedule. I believe that it is up to each parent and their own personal experiences. For example my kids get all of the recommended vaccines because I choose to have them alive then get a deadly disease or be up to the hills in medical expenses. For the ones that believe that some may cause Autism, I would rather have my child live and have Autism, if the vaccine even caused it, then to bury my own child. With that said I am against giving the ones for the flu. I was pregnant during the past H1N1 breakout and still refused to get the vaccine for it. My family was in an uproar, but it is your choice and no one can change that. They were also in an uproar because I didn't give either flu vaccine to my two year old. But to due past experience, when he got one last year he had the worst diarrhea for over two weeks, lost a bunch of weight and was dehydrated, I have chosen not to put him through that. Just some thoughts but remember no matter what anyone says it is your child and your beliefs!

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My daughter is 2-1/2 and she's received all of her vaccinations but the MMR vaccine. I told her pediatrician I planned to wait until she turned 3 for that one. Also, any vaccines that are "optional" I've declined. She only weighs 23 lbs. My opinion is they get too many shots, too fast.

Angela - posted on 02/06/2010

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We do not do vaccs, I researched them years ago and found that I am not letting them risk my child's life. They are putting the diseases into your child to make them immune to them which if they do not have a severe side effect now from them they will when they are an adult. And it is tearing down the immune system. Where truly is the logic to give someone the disease to make you immune from the disease. Especially in such a young child. I would recommend you really research all sides before you make a decision. We do this because of our spiritual beliefs and the FAQs that are out there.

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With my first we did not vax her. She'll be two in a week and we are facing preschool in a year. We've decided to only vax her with the shots required by school and since she's 2, she'll skip all the other infant shots. Plus, we are going to stretch them out so those shots that are 4 series, will only be given 3. As for my 2 month old, since her sister is in activities we've decided to only give her the Hib series for now.

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i think it is a little silly to not vaccinate (personal opinion) have you seen any children suffer from any of the dieases that the vaccinations are made to prevent i strongly suggest you go to the childrens hopsital and have a look at the poor children suffering and then check reasearch about the ill effects and percentages of the adverse effects from immunisation - not immunisating is a form of child abuse given the statistics for and against...........

Krystal - posted on 02/06/2010

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We are completely against vaccinations, and will not be vaccinating any of our children.

A really good DVD to watch is "shoot em up". It will really open your eyes.

Good luck!

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you all should do a little more research and get them vaccinated there is very little validated proof that the vaccinations caused any of the problems you mentioned but if your child were to catch any of the diesases that they were there to prevent you would kick yourselves for not having the immunisation, australia has one of the most strigent immunisation programs in the world

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