In laws not allowing me to pick my infant up in the middle of night...

Beth Ann - posted on 07/05/2013 ( 47 moms have responded )

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I am a first time mom. My son is almost 3 months old. His father and I are not married. I set up for his parent to watch the baby over night while we went out on a date. Well my boyfriend got angry over something silly that led to more issues being brought up. He said he was staying at his parents. I was extremely upset and said I was coming to get the baby. His father said no he is sleeping and fine. So I drove over there to get him and he wouldn't let me, then his mother came out(seeing how upset I was) told me the plans were for baby to stay there and he was sleeping and fine, I can't take him home with me. I never once am concerned with his safety, that wasnt the issue at all. I was just very very upset and wanted my baby. He is only 3 months old so it's also a separation thing. His father and I rarely argue like that and not once since the baby has been born. So I was being selfish by goin over there to get him? Was I out of line for getting so upset when they told me no? Was grandma out of line for not allowing it? I just feel so lost and not in control with the whole situation. I feel if I feel I want my baby, I should be able to get him whenever. It is still new when it comes to leaving him anywhere, let alone when I am up set.

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Kelley - posted on 07/08/2013

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Grandma should have told you and the babies dad to BOTH leave... go work out your stuff and pick up lo on the morning. Daddy needs to stop running to mommys when he can't deal. You need to stop using the baby like a tug of war rope and grand ma should have known better. She should have been prepared to either give you your baby or HERS.

Jodi - posted on 07/08/2013

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I actually agree with the grandparents here. While I can understand you were upset, and that you just wanted your baby, you were clearly not of rational mind, and grandma was probably quite concerned about you taking the child and driving in such an upset state of mind. It sounds like one of those situations where you needed to take a step back and sleep on it. I hardly think you were "set up".

Out of interest, what happened the next day? That would put things more into context.

Shelby - posted on 07/08/2013

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I understand your point, you should be able to see your baby whenever you like, however why wake a sleeping baby when he's safe. I think to make you feel better they should have let you stay overnight there as well, but im sure they didn't want any fighting going on in their house that could wake the baby as well. If you have separation anxiety why arrange to have the baby sleep there in the first place? You say you wanted the baby because you were upset but its not about you its about your baby and he cant revolve around your schedule and be woken up to go home with a mother who is upset that's not healthy for him. I know your upset how the situation was handled but try and see that your bfs parents are trying to do whats best for their grandson as well.

Gladys - posted on 07/09/2013

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Given the moment...when the baby was asleep... The least the grandparents could have done was have you sleep over.
What did yr bf do? Where was he isn this interaction with his parents?

Jodi - posted on 07/09/2013

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@ Angela, if you are referring to me pointing out that the OP is contradicting herself, that was my way of saying I can't give an opinion on the issues you have asked about if you keep changing your story. No witch hunt.......

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Angela - posted on 07/11/2013

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I think this issue has been well chewed-over by now.

I suggest the Mods close this thread!

Brandi - posted on 07/10/2013

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wow. your a mess. wish i could help but i have a date with my son at the nearest coffee house.

Chicora - posted on 07/10/2013

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I'm not reading all of these comments.

You should sit down with your boyfriend and his parents as soon as poosible. Explain how you felt and your expectations. Allow them to explain their reasonings. In the end he has 2 parents that make decisions. If you don't like the outcome, I would advise you not to allow your in-laws to keep the baby.

Darlene - posted on 07/10/2013

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My advise is you and your in-laws were both wrong and right, He is YOUR baby and you can pick him up any time you want and nobody can stop you, but you did make the plans for him to stay over, He was safe and you were upset so maybe it was best that he stayed there so you could give your self time to calm down not only for your sake but his too cause babies know when the people around them are upset and it upsets them too. And it does sound a little spiteful cause you were arguing with his father you wanted him away from his parents but if the baby was with your parents things would be completely different. One more thing as MARY N. said sounds like her 4 year old with her doll, don't turn that baby into a doll cause you all are hurting the baby in the end. Hope it all works out.

Kelley - posted on 07/10/2013

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I bow out at this point. This whole mess is utterly devoid of any common sense at this point. Yes, you have every right to "feel" upset,but no you did not have a "reason" to demand to pick up the baby. That's my two cents on the subject at hand.

I agree with many of the others here. Too many contradictions to keep up with. Far too many people on the attack. You seem like a nice enough person and there are too many people who have allowed their frustrations with the contradictions to make them speak meanly to you, and I don't want to do that.

I hope in the future, you will take another posters advise and suggest that baby sitting take place in your own home.

Hannah - posted on 07/09/2013

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After my first baby I didn't realize how emotional and sensitive I was about everything. I did notice when ever I got upset about anything at all, I'd rush to my daughters side and cuddle her and cry. I think it's just your emotions and feeling unstable after a tiff with your man that made you feel like you needed baby ASAP. Honestly the best place for any child is with mom but in this instance it's best to let it go as baby was in safe hands and sleeping soundly. I know it's hard but who said the right things are easy right?! It's ok honey, no ones at fault here except maybe your man for not communicating openly and talking things out like an adult instead of rushing to mom. But it is what it is, it's passed now. Chin up mama! You and baby have an i breakable bond that one night with Grammy won't change.

Tanya Jenine - posted on 07/09/2013

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The father of the child shouldn't have ran home to mommy in the first place, they should have both gone to there home and resolved the argument like adults and not dragged the in laws and baby into it, then there wouldn't have been a problem! But running off leaving Beth on her own, alone, all upset, whilst he had the comforts of his parents n baby, any woman would go and get there baby for comfort and loving cuddle to cheer them selves up, he's the selfish one, not you!

Rebecca Louise - posted on 07/09/2013

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Right I can see that Mary is reading far to much into it this isn't Jeremy Kyle so lets put simple the questions were:
So was I being selfish going over there to get him? My opinion is not so much selfish you were upset and maybe fear set after your argument so you wanted your baby maybe it wasn't completely the right thing to do but I don't think it was the wrong thing to do either.
Was I wrong in getting upset when they said no?
My opinion is no you weren't wrong they only have that right in certain circumstances as well as they have the joys of having a grandchild which is very different to having your own child as they would know.
Was grandma out of line for not allowing it?
My opinion is that yes maybe she was worried which is fair enough but never the less he is yours and shouldn't deny that
These are the questions you asked Beth and her are my answers and opinions y people are giving you an earful I don't know

Rebecca Louise - posted on 07/09/2013

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Hello Mary maybe your right it might have been a rash decision and in the heat of the moment maybe Beth did feel like that but if she was in a perfect frame of mind ( not drunk, etc) her inlaws had no right to deny her her child at all and I'm sorry you can all reverse the scenario as much as you want unfortunately for the fathers a child's mother is the mother it's always been like that but I'm sure many men understand that as we both have different roles to play in life the perk to us women is being or having the chance to be a mum

Karen - posted on 07/09/2013

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I cannot understand why no one is giving the father some credit. Why should mom be able to take the baby if dad is there with the baby?

Rebecca Louise - posted on 07/09/2013

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Maybe you shouldn't have hone over there given that the argument was a one off but all due they should have let you take your baby I'm a first time mum and my Lo is almost 4 months now and I have only ever left him for a couple of hours with my inlaws as I can't bring myself yet to leave him any longer I know exactly how you felt a baby always wants his mother and yes maybe he was sleeping and peacefull but your still his mother and no offense to the father but they will never understand that feeling and bond between mother and child

Angela - posted on 07/09/2013

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@ Mary N - I totally get what you're saying - indeed she did ASK! But the discussion almost morphed into a witch hunt. Don't think this was appropriate! After the first handful of people stated that they felt she was in the wrong, all that any new poster (who also felt she was in the wrong) needed to say was "I agree with the others" (and possibly name one or 2 contributors that were especially agreed with). A small number have stated she wasn't selfish or wrong to ask for her child back though.

@ Charity Cole. You're 100% right of course. A nursing mother should NOT be kept away from her baby. But that rather supposes that the child was actually breast-fed. We don't actually know this. Beth Ann Johnson did not say she was a nursing mother, I believe if she WAS a nursing mother, she would've mentioned this in her post - especially since she wanted her choices and actions validating.

Beth Ann Johnson - ARE you a nursing mother?

Charity - posted on 07/09/2013

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A nursing mother should never be separated from the mother. You should absolutely have been allowed to get your baby.

Mary - posted on 07/09/2013

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Angela, she asked if she was being selfish or if she was out of line. IMO (and others), the answer to those questions that she posed were a resounding yes. She didn't like those responses, and got defensive. As with anything posted on this forum, some of the disagreements are with the OP, and some are between the other respondents.

In the OP, she started out by saying, "I am a first time mom", and ended by saying, "It is still new when it comes to leaving him....". She implied that she herself was unsure about whether or not her behavior and actions that night were normal or reasonable - thus inviting this forum to "analyze" the event in question. That is kind of how things work on COM. If the OP doesn't want further discussion of the event, she does have the option of locking the thread to further comment.

Angela - posted on 07/08/2013

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You know, we're all over-analysing this situation. It's happened now! So move on and forget about it!

Beth Ann Johnson was upset that evening and she decided to pull rank (as the child's MOTHER) and get her baby, they wouldn't let her take him because it was late at night and the child was settled.

If she didn't like the outcome, then she can make her rules and expectations clear the next time she leaves her child with anyone babysitting for her. Like "If I suddenly decide I'm going to collect my child, you MUST surrender him - because I'm the Mother ....."

Except it's not too easy to negotiate conditions like these with people who are offering FREE babysitting.

People have posted on here disagreeing with her and others have agreed and supported her. She didn't really want the whole thing analysing, she just wanted her own feelings and choices validated.

Let's move on now!

Tanya Jenine - posted on 07/08/2013

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Hi, the only reason I can understand why the father of your baby's grandparents said no to you taking your son home is if you had had alcohol and was too intoxicated to look after him, if you didn't have anything to drink at all, then my opinion is, is that they was in the wrong! And I too would of got very angry, how dare they stop you from seeing your son! I have a baby girl of 7 months and I can understand how you feel, everyone telling you what to do and how to raise him and what they think is best, blar blar blar lol its so anoying! You know what's best for you and your baby, don't let anyone bully and belittle you, your his mother, you call the shots on his life, even if it is selfish, and make sure everyone knows that! Put your foot down girl and nip it in the bud now because they could get worse, good luck

Tanya

Jodi - posted on 07/08/2013

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"We were not fighting when he initially went to stay at his parents."

"Well my boyfriend got angry over something silly that led to more issues being brought up. He said he was staying at his parents."

Now you are just contradicting yourself.

Mary - posted on 07/08/2013

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Then why did he leave you to go stay there? In the OP, you stated:

"Well my boyfriend got angry over something silly that led to more issues being brought up. He said he was staying at his parents. I was extremely upset and said I was coming to get the baby"

To me (and anyone else with normal reading comprehension skills) this means that you were not getting along, he chose to stay at his parents rather than with you in the home you share, and this caused you to be upset. I'm not sure what your definition of "fighting" is, but I think we can all agree that, at the very least, the two of you were not getting along well at this point.

Beth Ann - posted on 07/08/2013

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We were not fighting when he initially went to stay at his parents. And that's what we talked about the next day. If he was in my shoes and someone told him he can't have his baby, he would have taken dirastic measures to get him. Even if it was his own parents. I would never deny him his child, unless it was not a safe situation.

Kelley - posted on 07/08/2013

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Has anyone asked you about the role reversal here yet? Complete reversal? You go home to your moms. Where you have left the baby. And your boyfriend goes there, demands that the baby leaves with him, you tell him no, your mom tells him no. Should he have been given the baby?

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 07/08/2013

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Ok, well, I have to say that I agree with the grandparents and Jodi.

Perhaps you don't feel that your agitated state was a danger to your child, but it was, and the grandparents knew it.

Plus, you've now negated your initial post (that your boyfriend decided to stay with his parents that night after your fight) by saying that he actually came home with you.

No need to disturb LO in the middle of the night just because you and his daddy can't grow up and get along. You say you're 26, you sound like you're 16. Were I in the grandparent's shoes, I'd have told you that you can have your blessing when you're calm and have worked out the argument with your baby's father. When your agitation will not endanger yourself or your child.

So, look at this from the child's father's pov...if you were upset and wanted to cuddle your baby, why can't he want to cuddle HIS baby when he's upset? Same shoe, different foot.

Beth Ann - posted on 07/08/2013

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I was not to upset to take my baby. Not until I was told no. It should have been handled differently. Maybe offered for both his father and into stay there or for me to at least see him. His father came hone with me.That night I was so angry, didn't sleep at all. Mind you my baby gets only expressed breast milk. I picked him up at 8am. Grandpa let me get him, grandma was still sleeping.

Mary - posted on 07/08/2013

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I completely understand your point and I'll side with you on this one. Being a mom is not an easy task, and some of us believe we are ready to let our babies out of sight. I don't mean your in laws wwere wrong. I'm sure tha baby was fine, but you weren't!! The last thing a desperate mother needs to hear is come back later for your child, what does that mean? I think the situation got out of hands very fast and it could have been approached differently, especially by your mother in law. You just don't tell a mom to come back later for a child you are desperate to see, even if the child is fine. Try to calm you down, talk to you, let you see the child and then decide, I don't know, but just saying no is putting gasoline on a fire

Karen - posted on 07/07/2013

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The baby's father was at his parents house and the baby was safe, fine and sleeping. If the baby's father was not there and the grandparents denied you your child, I would have a huge problem with that. However, your child's father has as much custodial rights and parental rights as you do, and if you had no fear for the child's safety, in my opinion, you should have left well enough alone and gone to pick up the child first thing in the morning.

I hope you and the child's father have made up and everything is ok.

Mary - posted on 07/07/2013

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Beth Ann - if it wasn't a "nasty fight" than why did your boyfriend feel the need to leave your home and sleep at his parent's house? I've had plenty of fights with my husband over the years, but neither of us has ever showed up at our parent's house in the middle of the night to get away from each other. I'm sorry, but that, in and of itself, is not rational adult behavior. My daughter is 4.5. In my wildest dreams, I could not imagine doing that to HER, no matter how upset I was. I can only imagine how confused and scared she would be if she was having a sleepover at her grandma's house, woke her up, took her home, and left her father there. I understand that your son is still an infant, and won't know any better, but this is not good pattern of behavior to establish.

No, I try to put the well-being of my child ahead of my own wants and needs. My daughter has done more than a few overnight visits to my in-laws without me. They live 6 hours away, so it's never been for the purposes of childcare - it's always been my husband taking her there for weekend visit. Granted, as a breastfeeding mother, this couldn't happen until she was about 18 months. The first time they did this, I missed her terribly, and was a wreck worrying about how she would be, and if they would do things "right". However, I didn't act on any of these feelings. First and foremost, I trust her father with her implicitly. I have no doubts that he loves her just as completely as I do; he may not do things exactly the way I would, but I know that if he is with her, she is just as safe, happy, and secure as she would be with me. No matter how angry he can make me, I have never questioned his ability or right to care for OUR child.

I'm confident that if I had shown up at his parent's house in the middle of the night, demanding to take my daughter home with me, my husband would have refused me as well. Not because he didn't care about me or my feelings, but because it wouldn't have been in the best interests of our daughter at that time. If I had been persistent in these demands, I'm pretty sure one of his parents would come out and try to support him, and reiterate that I could take her home at a more normal hour, and when I was not so "upset".

You seem to want to make your boyfriend's mother the villain in this, but in your OP, you clearly state that it was your boyfriend - the boy's FATHER, who was telling you that you could not take his peacefully sleeping son out of his bed in the middle of the night just because YOU (not your son) were "upset" and having separation anxiety. Grandma wasn't really the one preventing you from doing this - it was the baby's father. Grandma was merely supporting him.

I'm not trying to make you out to be anything. I'm responding solely on the information you provided, and answering the questions that YOU posed in your OP. If you only wanted people to agree with you, and blow sunshine up your ass about how horribly wronged you were by your boyfriend and his family, you should have specified this in your OP.

Dolc - posted on 07/06/2013

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oh my god whats wrong with some people! noone should come between mother and baby! seperation anxiety is very real. I would lose it even now at 22months if any one told me I couldn't take my baby. your the mother, they had no right....

Beth Ann - posted on 07/06/2013

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Yes Leslie, Mary seems to act like she was there and knows what my entire life is. Funny how she can comment on my stability over a 150 word situation i had. People are so judgementsl these days. Im pretty sure my questions all could have been answered with a yes or no. She obviously has never been told she can't take her child home. If she even has children....

Beth Ann - posted on 07/06/2013

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Mary you made your initial comment that was enough. You can quit runniing your mouth. First of all it wasn't a nasty fight. Second, me and I father live together so there is no need for custody(at the time) I am with my baby Monday-thursday and only work without him on friday(this Friday being only the second Friday) worked all day then left for the date right from work. So yes I was thInking about getting him anyway. Third, the argument between him and I was not even escalated. Like I stated it got escalated once I was told I couldn't have him. So you can be done commenting on feed. Thanx for your wonderful thoughts.

Leslie Dawn - posted on 07/06/2013

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Beth Ann you gave us a good one girl!

Mary N. Hello. I can tell we probably would or will never agree. I think we're coming from opposite poles for some reason.

Beth Ann, do you see the wording Mary used to make you look extremely unstable: late-night hysteria, antics, push the boyfriend to pursue [custody], continued to fuss, even police would not give you child as if your actions warranted it?

See how quickly you can be made to look mentally and emotionally unstable? There are plenty of people out there that feel the way Mary does, so again, take steps!

Mary - posted on 07/06/2013

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Here's the thing - being a mother does not equate to license for irrational, overly emotional behavior to suddenly become acceptable of excusable in a NON-emergent situation. There was no great crisis here; Mom had a nasty fight with her boyfriend. She trusted the baby's grandparents to watch the baby overnight, and she herself has stated that at no time did she fear for her son's security. This was totally her being pissy in the moment - "I'm pissed at the baby's daddy, so I want to take him away from all things associated with Daddy".

Sure, all mom's are going to miss their baby when they are apart - that's normal. The better question to ask here is this: If the "date" had gone well, and mom and dad were all lovey-dovey, would she still have shown up in the middle of the night and made a scene demanding her son back? If the answer is no (which I think highly probable) then I think that puts an entirely different spin on this situation.

The grandparents weren't trying to deny her access to her child - they were simply not giving in to her misplaced late-night hysteria that had very little to do with her child, and everything to do with her "extreme upset" with the baby's father. It sounds like there is no official custody arrangement here - yet. However, more antics like this might push the boyfriend into pursuing this avenue, no matter what the standing of their relationship is. If there was a court-mediated arrangement, and this had been one of his custody nights, even the police would not have given her the baby that night. The baby wasn't just with his grandparents - he was also with his father. It was the father who initially told her she couldn't take the boy - the grandmother only came out after she continued to fuss, and backed up what the father had decided. Like it or not, his word, opinion, and decisions are not irrelevant in this scenario.

Penny - posted on 07/06/2013

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How dare she deny you your baby, yes there were plans to stay overnight but your the mother you have the prerogative to change your mind. Make sure this never happens again and make this clear to your mother in law. Your baby - and that's the bottom line.

Beth Ann - posted on 07/06/2013

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I was upset when we got into an argument, yes, but I was ok. When I got extremely upset is when I was denid my child, his father came home with me. And no I'm not on drugs or alcohol.

Leslie Dawn - posted on 07/06/2013

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Hi Mary,

I see that you never make an initial post.

I agree with you that if Beth Ann made plans for the 3 month old to stay at her in-laws, she apparently felt he/she would be safe with them and, of course, there was no reason for alarm. HOWEVER, the "moment" that she came to the house and asked for her baby and was denied!!! Here is the cause for alarm. Her authority usurped "any" body else's authority for any reason unless she was impaired which as you may see earlier I did not sugar-coat. You have to be an insane person to deny a mother her 3 month old baby [barring drugs and alcohol] because "she's emotional?" And getting that baby up in the middle of the night is not going to hurt a normal baby, they are born on night shift as I'm sure you know. This, was about power and control and hopefully Beth Ann got the awakening she needed to proceed with EXTREME CAUTION. This aloof attitude of the grandparents is the kind that would terrify me as a mother. Beth Ann..... please go talk to a lawyer NOW. Assume you and this guy will not work out. Accept it now. If you were emotional that night they can say all kinds of things to you to make you seem mentally unstable and try and take total custody away from you completely. Get counsel now.....quietly, calmly, assume the worst. Assume your every move is being watched. Make sure "no one" can say anything about you negatively. You need to be running the tightest ship of your life right now and cover your bases quickly. Good luck :-)

Mary - posted on 07/06/2013

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I think you were acting a a bit irrationally. The baby's grandparents graciously offered to watch your child so that you and his father could have a night out. It is not their fault that things fell apart. They did nothing wrong, neither you or your child were injured or endangered, and there was no dire emergency that warranted disturbing the grandparents or your child in the middle of the night. I don't think they were wrong to tell no - in fact, I think they were acting in your child's best interests.

You've conceded that you were "very, very upset", and your motivation for wanting to retrieve your child was purely about your own emotional state and needs. I'm sorry, I know this sounds harsh, but this sounds very similar to my 4 y/o having a spat with her little friends, and deciding, "Fine, I'm mad at you, I'm taking my dolls home now so you can't have them!". Sure, you could argue that she is upset, and her doll brings her comfort in her distress, but she is also being spiteful, and trying to punish her friend by depriving her of the doll. I understand that you were upset, but there is no good reason to drag your baby and his parents into a fight between you and your boyfriend - especially in the middle of the night.

Your child was not only with his grandparents, but also with his father. No matter how things work out between you and your boyfriend, this man is, and always will be, your child's father. Your needs do not cancel out his rights or relationship to this boy.

Angela - posted on 07/06/2013

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Next time, you get them to babysit at YOUR place - then the child's already at home!

But be prepared to put them up overnight too. In fact, if you came home when the date's over, you should NOT put the babysitters out and send them on their way in the middle of the night. This is what it's about, disrupting & disturbing people/babies in the middle of the night.

Leslie Dawn - posted on 07/06/2013

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Sometimes one of the best things for a person is to get a little jolt of fear or terror or something that just shakes 'em up a little, you know? Makes you wary... more cognizant of dangers and obstacles up ahead. View this as a cherished awakening to potential threats and dangers you would otherwise be naive to. Be cautious, think things through and prayerfully proceed. Consider this a gift that has helped you prepare for something up ahead that would've been much worse had you "not" had this experience..... glass half full, you know.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 07/06/2013

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I can understand why they did not want you to pick him up. He was asleep. I don't think it has anything to do with your age, or the situation. I think point blank, the baby was asleep and there was no need to wake him in the middle of the night like that. You had already made plans for the baby to sleep over, and they were doing just that. I mean if they held him longer than that, yeah I can see a big problem, but once again, the baby was asleep in a safe place. There really was no need to take him, except for you being angry about a fight between you and your boyfriend. I can completely understand why they chose to let the baby sleep, but I can also see your side of being upset not getting your baby when you wanted him. Put your baby first...always, even when your actions are driven by your emotions.

Beth Ann - posted on 07/06/2013

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I'm 26 years old! That is part of the issue, she obviously thinks I'm a child or something. And I now feel like a failure of a mom because I didn't get him.

Michelle - posted on 07/06/2013

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The grandparents had no right to keep your baby from you. He's your child and if you want to take him home in the middle of the night it's your choice.

Leslie Dawn - posted on 07/06/2013

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EVERY SINGLE THING you are feeling and said is "right". You are "right". That grandmother is horribly wrong, that grandfather is horribly wrong! You should go tomorrow when you get your child back and get a lawyer and never let that baby out of your site again with people like that. You sound young. Get ready to sacrifice for your little one if you only have 1/2 side of family that you can trust. GET A LAWYER and get a good one. Any human being that would do that to a mother [unless you were drinking and driving????] is reprehensible. If you were drinking, you need to shut up, stop posting and humbly go get your baby in the morning.

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