Is any one else concerned about all thes vaccinations?

Deni - posted on 02/28/2009

Quoting Crystal:

I'm concerned, but I'm going with the straight math on this and am choosing to vaccinate.  Your child is statistically more likely to have a bad/serious experience (which may lead to life-long consequences or death) with these diseases than they are to have a serious reaction to the vaccinations.  Also, the autism link has been disproved and the researchers have retracted the study.

I'm concerned too, but the facts are that people who don't vaccinate may be putting their children at risk and allowing serious diseases to flare up again.

Thank you Crystal for pointing out the odds. And please let me just say that the women who don't vaccinate their children are making a very difficult personal choice regarding their own families but they are also endangering the rest of the children by allowing their kids to become possible carriers of diseases that have now been almost completely eradicated thanks to vaccine. Recurrances happen and it is because of people who can carry the disease and transmit it to others. I find it irresponsible to not vaccinate. The gains from vaccinations are way bigger than the losses. On that note, I have and I will vaccinate my own children in their best interest as well as the interest of our society as a whole.

Melanie - posted on 02/28/2009

PLEASE go to my facebook page and look for Kyle's story- This was written by my Sister In-law who has an Autistic little boy. Take care!

Christina - posted on 02/28/2009

There are 25 studies that show NO link between Autism and any vaccines.  The study that "showed" a link between MMR and autsim was later refuted by many of its own authors.  I recommend everyone look at the CDC website, the AAP website and the ACIP (American Council on Immunization practices) and look at the evidence, not anecdotal information.  The problem is, these diseases are around.  Look at the recent death and severe illnesses  in Minnesota from Hemophilus Influena disease.  There was also an outbreak of measles in something like 15 kids last year in California.  These diseases can be deadly, and often are devastating.   

Eldee - posted on 02/28/2009

i am really concern because my youngest son is suffering from enzema and i think that something in the vaccination that cause his enzema to get so worse.

Ann-Marie - posted on 02/28/2009

Of course the government is never going to admit a link between vaccines and autism. The drug manufacters pay big money to the gov. and they would lose BILLIONS of dollars. Each baby is born with a price tag on their head and it is very sad. If you look up the symptoms of mercury poision and the symptoms of autism they are exactly the same. All symptoms THE SAME! Coincidence?? NO! And to the people that have vaccinated their children and are worried that un-vaxxed children are going to give their child a disease that just doesn't make sense at all. Your child is vaccinated they are "supposedly" protected that is why you got them vaxxed after all right?

Natalie - posted on 02/28/2009

This is such a touchy subject for many parents. In the end it is a personal decision. There are so many factors to take in. This is a decision that shouldn't be decided by the government or any other person. I believe that the idea behind vaccinations is a good one, with mostly good intentions. However I think there are a few other things to consider.



Childhood diseases were on the decline before we started using vaccines due to the fact that people had already begun discovering how to reduce sickness with proper sanitization.



The links to all kinds of other childhood diseases, cancers, neurological disorders, etc....has neither been proven or disproven. Much research still needs to be done.



We really have no idea what the longterm effects are late in life. I read study of cancer patients who were given the first polio vaccine as children. Strains of the live virus were found in the cancer cells. That's not to say all sickness is caused by vaccines, just that we really don't know.



Vaccines may or may not help in preventing sickness, but there are documented cases of sickness in children who are vaccinated as well as unvaccinated. There ultimately is no guarantee.



Not all children are the same. Some children are more genetically susceptible to vaccination than others, and finding that out the hard way is unacceptable. More genetic testing on individual children should be done to determine if they should recieve them. One size does not fit all.



Either way I would be devestated should my children become sick with something a vaccination could potentially protect against, have a horrible reaction to vaccination, or develope a disease later in life that is found to be linked to vaccines.



In the end it is the parents choice.

Tamara - posted on 02/28/2009

For me, my concern in regards to vaccines is not limited to autism. It is also a concern about vaccine reactions, the DEATHS caused by vaccination, etc. It's not enough to research the vaccines but the diseases themselves.



The one that got me questioning things is the chicken pox vaccine. I had chicken pox as a girl. I was not injured, scarred, or anything of that nature. I stayed home from school, was itchy and had lots of oatmeal baths. Now we're vaccinating children for a harmless childhood illness. The same can be said of pertussis, measles, and mumps for the older generation. What I'm trying to figure out now is when did normal childhood illnesses suddenly become deadly plagues?

Natalie - posted on 02/28/2009

This is such a touchy subject for many parents. In the end it is a personal decision. There are so many factors to take in. This is a decision that shouldn't be decided by the government or any other person. I believe that the idea behind vaccinations is a good one, with mostly good intentions. However I think there are a few other things to consider.



Childhood diseases were on the decline before we started using vaccines due to the fact that people had already begun discovering how to reduce sickness with proper sanitization.



The links to all kinds of other childhood diseases, cancers, neurological disorders, etc....has neither been proven or disproven. Much research still needs to be done.



We really have no idea what the longterm effects are late in life. I read study of cancer patients who were given the first polio vaccine as children. Strains of the live virus were found in the cancer cells. That's not to say all sickness is caused by vaccines, just that we really don't know.



Vaccines may or may not help in preventing sickness, but there are documented cases of sickness in children who are vaccinated as well as unvaccinated. There ultimately is no guarantee.



Not all children are the same. Some children are more genetically susceptible to vaccination than others, and finding that out the hard way is unacceptable. More genetic testing on individual children should be done to determine if they should recieve them. One size does not fit all.



Either way I would be devestated should my children become sick with something a vaccination could potentially protect against, have a horrible reaction to vaccination, or develope a disease later in life that is found to be linked to vaccines.



In the end it is the parents choice.

Ashley - posted on 02/28/2009

my own personal opinion and no response needed is that it is irresponsible NOT to vaccinate your children. children have been vaccinated for many years now and the alternative is worse. you threaten the lives of other children with the viruses your child could potentially catch. i'd be pissed as hell if my kid got sick bc a child wasnt vaccinated. its something that is easily prevented and they are made for a reason. we not longer have to be afraid of the measles or the mumps or tetnus. i mean come on. your childs health is at risk. there are more and more parents choosing not to vaccinate their children and this is gonna cause more and more outbreaks of diseases that could be prevented. so please be responsible and not only think of your own child but other children too. no child asks to get polio or rubella. so save them from that misery. and they have proven that vaccines do not cause autism. it has been in medical journal after medical journal. people are just haning onto that for an excuse not to vaccinate.

Joanna - posted on 02/28/2009

I agree that talking to your child's doctor can shed some light on the situation. My daughter had her first MMR shot on schedule, but she broke out in a severe "Measles" rash about two weeks later (it is one of the listed possible side effects for the MMR vaccination). Ever since then I've been very reluctant and nervous about getting the next injection. I spoke with her doctor and asked if I was putting her more at risk by not giving her the 2nd injection and she said that she was well-protected having had the first injection and that I could put it off until she needs it to enter pre-school, when she's 4.

Jennifer - posted on 02/28/2009

Goddess bless you! This is the info in SMALL print...just go ahead and inject THAT in your child!! It was just never in my consciousness to even consider these approaches to "modern medicine"

Jennifer - posted on 02/28/2009

Quoting Vanessa:

I am just as concerned as you are. This is why I have begun working with Work At Home United and Melaleuca. Here is some information for you.

Imagine a person comes into your childs class, home ect. and says I have a needle filled with aborted fetus tissue, alumium, mercury, antifreeze, milk and bacteria and viral matter. hold still……..what would you do…..we do it every child well check without even realizing it because we don’t check the labels, we check labels for the foods our kids eat to make sure it’s safe, or water, not letting them eat off the ground, already chewed gum or water from puddles, how is this any different. we have as a society dropped the ball……read this and see if you are ever the same again
VARIVAX
Varicella Virus Vaccine Live. Merck & Company, 1-800-672-6372. Produced using sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, and processed gelatin. Medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).

* Warning: Thimerosal is a chemical compound that contains 49.6 percent mercury as a preservative. Mercury is one of the most dangerous toxins known to scientists. This is 100 times the exposure that the Environmental Protection Agency’’s Poison Control Center guidelines consider safe for the average-sized infant, as mercury is known to cause neurotoxicity and brain damage that mirrors the symptoms of autism. For more information, see the website of Concerned Parents for Vaccine Safety.

Source:http://www.naturodoc.c
om/library/public_health/vaccine_who_how
.htm

MMR
Measles Mumps Rubella Live Virus Vaccination. Merck & Company, 1-800-672-6372. Produced using sorbitol, neomycin, and hydrolyzed gelatin. Mediums: M & M — chick embryo. Rubella — human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).

MUMPSVAX
Mumps Virus Vaccine Live. Merck & Company, 1-800-672-6372. Produced using neomycin, sorbitol, and hydrolyzed gelatin. Medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).

ORIMUNE
Poliovirus Vaccine Live Oral Trivalent. Lederle Laboratories, 1-800-934-5556. Produced using three types of attenuated polioviruses, streptomycin, neomycin, calf serum, and sorbitol. Medium: monkey kidney cell culture.

Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals, 1-800-366-8900, extension 5231. Produced using betapropiolactone, aluminum phosphate, sodium ethylmercurithiosalicyate (thimerosol),* and phenol red. Medium: fetal rhesus monkey lung cells.

RECOMBIVAX
Hepatitis B Vaccine Recombinant. Merck & Company, 1-800-672-6372. Produced using thimerosol* and aluminum hydroxide. Medium: yeast (residual; less than 1 percent yeast protein).

HAVRIX
Hepatitis A. SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals, 1-800-366-8900, extension 5231. Produced using formalin, aluminum hydroxide, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), polysorbate 20, and residual MRC5 proteins (from medium). Medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).

IM0 VAX
Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed. Connaught Laboratories, 1-800-822-2463. Produced using human albumin, neomycin sulfate, and phenol red indicator. Medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).

IPOL
Inactivated Polio Vaccine. Connaught Laboratories, 1-800-822-2463. Produced using three types of polio virus, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol (anti-freeze), neomycin, streptomycin, and polymyxin B. Medium: VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells.

MERUVAX II
Rubella Virus Vaccine Live. Merck & Company, 1-800-672-6372. Produced using neomycin, sorbitol, and hydrolyzed gelatin. Medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).

M-R VAX
Measles and Rubella Virus Vaccine Live. Merck & Company, 1-800-672-6372. Produced using neomycin, sorbitol, and hydrolyzed gelatin. Mediums: M & M — chick embryo. Rubella — human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).

Common vaccines and their production details
BIAVAX
Rubella and mumps virus vaccine live. Merck & Company, Inc., 1-800-672-6372. Produced using neomycin, sorbitol, and hydrolyzed gelatin. Medium: human diploid cells originating from human aborted fetal tissue.

DPT
Diphtheria and tetanus toxoids acellular pertussis vaccine adsorbed. SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals, 1-800-366-8900, extension 5231. Produced using aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, ammonium sulfate, washed sheep red blood cells, glycerol, sodium chloride, and thimerosol.* Medium: porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein.

FLUSHIELD
Influenza Virus Vaccine, Trivalent, Types A & B. Wyeth-Ayerst, 1-800-934-5556. Produced using gentamicin sulfate, formaldehyde, po!ysorbate 80, tri(n) butylphosphate, and thimerosol.* Medium: chick embryos.

FLU VIRIN
Influenza Virus Vaccine. Medeva Pharmaceuticals, 1 -888-MEDEVA (716- 274-5300). Produced using embroyonic fluid (chicken egg), neomycin, polymyxin, thimerosol,* and betapropiolactone. Medium: embryonic fluid (chicken egg).


The following is a description of the various chemical compounds added to vaccines for stability and other marketing purposes that have nothing to do with children’’s health. The information was obtained from the 1997 Physician’’s Desk Reference. This is a representative, not a comprehensive, list of various types of vaccines. For several entries, there are direct phone numbers.



WWW.LIVETOTALWELLNESS.COM/VANESSASHIBLEY

Veronica - posted on 02/28/2009

Quoting Lisset:

Quoting Sarah:

Quoting Lisset:

Quoting Rachel:

I choose not to vaccinate my children and I feed them everything organic and make sure they take there vitamins/minerals/calcium/c and vitmain d.  My children have strong immune systems and are hardly sick.   I think that if you are going to get vaccines you should only do one at a time and only get the ones that really matter.  Chicken pox, flu and what not come on gimme a break, really some one can die from those, maybe if the parent is neglegent!!!! 

You don't have to be a negligent parent for your children to get any of these illnesses. Yes, chicken pox - you CAN die from it. I don't understand where people get their  information or lack of information rather, from. How do you think a lot of the Native Americans died??? Besides the fact that our ancestors killed off their food supply, a lot of their deaths occured because they had never encountered a "white man's" illness. One of the big ones being Chicken Pox otherwise known as "Small Pox." If a child does not get the Chicken Pox when they are young, and they contract it as an adult. They CAN die. It is a much stronger and rapidly developed strain of the virus.

 

I think every parent has the choice to vaccinate their child or not, but I don't think we should consider parents negligent if the kids get an illness. If a child contracts meningitis from a child they played with at school, and the parent assumes it's a cold, with flu-like symptoms and the child dies, is the parent negligent? I think not!

Um, chicken pox and small pox are not the same thing.  

Small Pox = Viruela

Chicken Pox = Varicela

Smallpox and chickenpox are caused by different viruses, and have different disease courses. Chickenpox, caused by the varicella-zoster virus, typically causes an acute bout of disease that resolves after several days, but the virus persists in the body for life.
Smallpox, causedby the variola virus, can cause life threatening illness, and often results in permamnent scarring of the tissue.
Smallpox is no longer present on the planet, except in a couple of laboratories, while chickenpox is worldwide.

 

I think it's hillarious where these "medical journals" are deriving from. I brought up Small Pox because in earlier times, YES, it was confused with the Chicken Pox.

Yea, you gave plenty of "Wikipedia Facts" but you neglected to mention the obvious about Chicken Pox, which is actually the more "important information."

Such as that children with impaired immunity "decreased resistance" have numerous lesions that often bleed. Resulting in the fact that Secondary bacterial infections can occur.

Chicken Pox can also cause "encephalitis" (brain fever) and "cerebellar symptoms." Another serious and life threatening complication is "Chicken Pox Pneumonia", especially in adults and immunocompromised otherwise, "low-immuno" individuals. Chicken Pox affecting pregnant women just before delivery Can cause fetal death. If the infection occurs earlier in pregnancy, the baby may be born malformed.

I would like to stress that I am NOT wishing this upon anyone and am NOT blaming anyone, whether their child is vaccinated or not, unlike the postor that I was quoting in the above posted copy ^^^

I don't think it's parents' negligence. I think it's awful that you feel you agree with them.You are obviously "against" vaccinations, and that is "your" opinion, just like I have the right to mine, and everyone else has the right to theirs. You should stop "quoting" everyone in replies and let them have their "own" opinion as you had yours.

I think it's suffice to say that if the whole world had the same opinion it would cause our own destruction, hopefully you can allow the rest of the participants and future participants of this discussion, a chance to have their say, and move on.

Chicken pox and small pox are very different. They have very different clinical symptoms, progress of disease and they aren't terribly hard to tell apart.  

Chicken pox certainly cause the complications you have listed, and can become a serious illness to some children.  

However, smallpox and chickenpox are very different. 

Veronica - posted on 02/28/2009

Quoting Sarah:

To everyone who has posted here. . . I was raised not to get vaccinations and waited until my son was in kindergarten to get his vaccines for school, and with my daughter waited until she was one year. I am a nurse in an inner city hospital and diseases that were once vaccinated against are coming back. It is a reality. Tuberculosis is back. We've had an increase in possible cases, as well as positive cases in which tons of staff were exposed. I'm suggesting you use extreme caution when you think that your child will never get any of these diseases. It is the same mentality of thinking that "I will never get in an accident, my child will never be kidnapped, my child will never get sick." Meningitis is also a reality. I take care of patients every day that have these diseases. If you take you child to the grocery store and pass someone who coughs on them that has something good luck protecting them from contracting it.

We do not vaccinate for Tuberculosis in the USA.  It is a bacteria and it is increasing in drug resistance. It is something to worry about, but not in this discussion regarding childhood vaccinations. 

Veronica - posted on 02/28/2009

Quoting Lisset:

Quoting Rachel:

I choose not to vaccinate my children and I feed them everything organic and make sure they take there vitamins/minerals/calcium/c and vitmain d.  My children have strong immune systems and are hardly sick.   I think that if you are going to get vaccines you should only do one at a time and only get the ones that really matter.  Chicken pox, flu and what not come on gimme a break, really some one can die from those, maybe if the parent is neglegent!!!! 

You don't have to be a negligent parent for your children to get any of these illnesses. Yes, chicken pox - you CAN die from it. I don't understand where people get their  information or lack of information rather, from. How do you think a lot of the Native Americans died??? Besides the fact that our ancestors killed off their food supply, a lot of their deaths occured because they had never encountered a "white man's" illness. One of the big ones being Chicken Pox otherwise known as "Small Pox." If a child does not get the Chicken Pox when they are young, and they contract it as an adult. They CAN die. It is a much stronger and rapidly developed strain of the virus.

 

I think every parent has the choice to vaccinate their child or not, but I don't think we should consider parents negligent if the kids get an illness. If a child contracts meningitis from a child they played with at school, and the parent assumes it's a cold, with flu-like symptoms and the child dies, is the parent negligent? I think not!

Small pox is not the same virus as Chicken Pox. 

Small pox did kill 90% of the inhabitants in the new world. It has since been eradicated due to a hugely successful campaign by WHO. 

Veronica - posted on 02/28/2009

Quoting Lisset:

Quoting Rachel:

I choose not to vaccinate my children and I feed them everything organic and make sure they take there vitamins/minerals/calcium/c and vitmain d.  My children have strong immune systems and are hardly sick.   I think that if you are going to get vaccines you should only do one at a time and only get the ones that really matter.  Chicken pox, flu and what not come on gimme a break, really some one can die from those, maybe if the parent is neglegent!!!! 

You don't have to be a negligent parent for your children to get any of these illnesses. Yes, chicken pox - you CAN die from it. I don't understand where people get their  information or lack of information rather, from. How do you think a lot of the Native Americans died??? Besides the fact that our ancestors killed off their food supply, a lot of their deaths occured because they had never encountered a "white man's" illness. One of the big ones being Chicken Pox otherwise known as "Small Pox." If a child does not get the Chicken Pox when they are young, and they contract it as an adult. They CAN die. It is a much stronger and rapidly developed strain of the virus.

 

I think every parent has the choice to vaccinate their child or not, but I don't think we should consider parents negligent if the kids get an illness. If a child contracts meningitis from a child they played with at school, and the parent assumes it's a cold, with flu-like symptoms and the child dies, is the parent negligent? I think not!

Small pox is not the same virus as Chicken Pox. 

Small pox did kill 90% of the inhabitants in the new world. It has since been eradicated due to a hugely successful campaign by WHO. 

Jennifer - posted on 02/28/2009

DONT do it! You can find plenty of referenced material for parents who decide to take a informed natural approach! This came recommended from my midwife who assited me with both daughters. If you are concerned about school records, you have teh right to refuse these immunizations due to personal belief! It is your world!! Good luck!

Jennifer - posted on 02/28/2009

DONT do it! You can find plenty of referenced material for parents who decide to take a informed natural approach! This came recommended from my midwife who assited me with both daughters. If you are concerned about school records, you have teh right to refuse these immunizations due to personal belief! It is your world!! Good luck!

Kristy - posted on 02/28/2009

Quoting Penny:

I was just here to give kudos to Carrie. Moms, just go with your gut. The government says the vaccines are safe. They also say this isnt a bad recession. Do you really believe that when you watch the evening news, your are getting the ENTIRE story? Are you really that naive? You have an infinite source for research at your fingertips. Use it. Look up vaccines. 15 years ago autism was 1 in 10,000 with 15 shots required. Now autism is 1 in 150 with 32 vaccines required. Coincidence? Really, really? Well, I hope you don't see it as a coincidence...If you do, I have a bridge to sell ya real cheap! Anyway, decide that for yourself, but don't judge others who choose to vaccinate or not vaccinate.

This is a frightening for a lot of people, to vaccinate or not, years ago a less rate of autism, now a greatly higher rate. 15 shots back then, now 32 (but we also are able to vaccinate for more now then we could years ago).  But also consider the age of parents then, and the age now.  Our ages and problems with pregnancy and childrens diseases are both higher now then when our parents had us. 

I agree with all who have stated that its a personal choice and you will do ultimately what is best for your child.  You are their parents and it is your desicion, not anyone elses, just be informed and go from there.

Guggie - posted on 02/28/2009

Quoting Jo Anna:

Quoting Jo Anna:

Quoting Rachel:

Quoting Kim:

This weekend, a 12 year old boy in our community died after 1 day of having the flu, as he hadn't had his flu vaccine.

The flu vaccine isnt for all strains.  Its for one specific strain and this year they are saying that the vaccine that you are getting will not help if you get the flu because it is not for that specific strain.  A 12 year old dying from the flu is very sad and i feel for his family very much and they will be in my thoughts and prayers, but it is very unlikely that him getting vaccinated this year would have meant that he still would have not got the flu  because its not for the same strain. 

 I am just wondering you get your medical information because the flu vaccine helps to protect against more than one strain of Influenza.  How do you know that the strain of flu that this child contracted would not have been covered by the flu shot?  You need to get your facts strait before you make posts and comments such as this, especially against such a subject where a family lost a child.  You need to be more informed.

 

Quote:

He was not vaccinated against the flu. "They think that he died because he didn't get his flu shot," Pope said, referring to media reports. "That's not the case. The doctors and everyone says really, it doesn't have a huge bearing on it." Pope said doctors told him a "Trojan horse" infection was responsible for Hunter's sudden decline on Sunday. The Boston Public Health Commission is awaiting test results that will reveal which strain of flu Hunter had, and any other infections.

 

They make up the flu vaccine to match 3 types of viruses, and 2 of the 3 matched this year. It just happens that the one that doesn't match is the one most prevalent in the US/Canada. The ones that do match are the ones going around Europe and Asia. So, basically, it works for the rest of the world!

Flu shot mismatched on B virus; experts study adding extra strain to vaccine

Quote:

"It appears there may be a partial flu shot mismatch again this year, with early data from Canada, the United States and Britain suggesting the vaccine component meant to protect against influenza B is not a match for the flu B viruses causing the most disease."

 

 

Quote:

Quote: The Cochrane review comprised 51 studies of influenza vaccines — including 17 papers translated from Russian for the first time — involving more than 250,000 healthy youngsters under age 16. Yet only a fraction of these studies focused on children younger than 2. Two efficacy studies involving about 1,000 toddlers indicate that flu shots containing inactivated virus — the only vaccine approved for this age group — are no more effective at preventing the flu than placebo.

 

These two quotes are from fda.gov about the two mercury-free vaccines, Fluzone and Afluria.

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Kelly - posted on 02/28/2009

I am concerned mostly because my son had surgery at 3.5 months old and had a blood transfusion and some of those shots say not to get them after that but his doctor doesn't see it to be a problem.....I refused to let him get Flu shot at his last visit. I just don't see the need since he is in a very small private daycare in someones home.

Ashlyn - posted on 02/28/2009

After reading a lot of the pro- and negative vaccination articles, and talking with mothers and doctors, my husband and I decided to not vaccinate our son. He is 8 months old now and extremely healthy. A popular trend now is to delay vaccination until 6 months or so, which I think is a more attractive option, but I personally will not be overloading my baby's system with unnecessary toxins at all.

Lisset - posted on 02/28/2009

Quoting Sarah:

Quoting Lisset:

Quoting Rachel:

I choose not to vaccinate my children and I feed them everything organic and make sure they take there vitamins/minerals/calcium/c and vitmain d.  My children have strong immune systems and are hardly sick.   I think that if you are going to get vaccines you should only do one at a time and only get the ones that really matter.  Chicken pox, flu and what not come on gimme a break, really some one can die from those, maybe if the parent is neglegent!!!! 

You don't have to be a negligent parent for your children to get any of these illnesses. Yes, chicken pox - you CAN die from it. I don't understand where people get their  information or lack of information rather, from. How do you think a lot of the Native Americans died??? Besides the fact that our ancestors killed off their food supply, a lot of their deaths occured because they had never encountered a "white man's" illness. One of the big ones being Chicken Pox otherwise known as "Small Pox." If a child does not get the Chicken Pox when they are young, and they contract it as an adult. They CAN die. It is a much stronger and rapidly developed strain of the virus.

 

I think every parent has the choice to vaccinate their child or not, but I don't think we should consider parents negligent if the kids get an illness. If a child contracts meningitis from a child they played with at school, and the parent assumes it's a cold, with flu-like symptoms and the child dies, is the parent negligent? I think not!

Um, chicken pox and small pox are not the same thing.  

Small Pox = Viruela

Chicken Pox = Varicela

Smallpox and chickenpox are caused by different viruses, and have different disease courses. Chickenpox, caused by the varicella-zoster virus, typically causes an acute bout of disease that resolves after several days, but the virus persists in the body for life.
Smallpox, causedby the variola virus, can cause life threatening illness, and often results in permamnent scarring of the tissue.
Smallpox is no longer present on the planet, except in a couple of laboratories, while chickenpox is worldwide.

 

I think it's hillarious where these "medical journals" are deriving from. I brought up Small Pox because in earlier times, YES, it was confused with the Chicken Pox.

Yea, you gave plenty of "Wikipedia Facts" but you neglected to mention the obvious about Chicken Pox, which is actually the more "important information."

Such as that children with impaired immunity "decreased resistance" have numerous lesions that often bleed. Resulting in the fact that Secondary bacterial infections can occur.

Chicken Pox can also cause "encephalitis" (brain fever) and "cerebellar symptoms." Another serious and life threatening complication is "Chicken Pox Pneumonia", especially in adults and immunocompromised otherwise, "low-immuno" individuals. Chicken Pox affecting pregnant women just before delivery Can cause fetal death. If the infection occurs earlier in pregnancy, the baby may be born malformed.

I would like to stress that I am NOT wishing this upon anyone and am NOT blaming anyone, whether their child is vaccinated or not, unlike the postor that I was quoting in the above posted copy ^^^

I don't think it's parents' negligence. I think it's awful that you feel you agree with them.You are obviously "against" vaccinations, and that is "your" opinion, just like I have the right to mine, and everyone else has the right to theirs. You should stop "quoting" everyone in replies and let them have their "own" opinion as you had yours.

I think it's suffice to say that if the whole world had the same opinion it would cause our own destruction, hopefully you can allow the rest of the participants and future participants of this discussion, a chance to have their say, and move on.

Natalie - posted on 02/27/2009

Hi JoAnn, I was very concerned about vaccinations so i decided when my son was born not to vaccinate as the side effects were huge. I didnt go into this decision lightly and read alot of information from both sides and my child eats well and i try not to buy food with colours and preservative. My son is almost 3 and is a very healthy child only getting the very occasional cold which usually only lasts 2 days. At the end of the day its your choice in what you decide but make sure you look into both sides, good luck.

Jo Anna - posted on 02/27/2009

Quoting Jo Anna:

Quoting Rachel:

Quoting Kim:

This weekend, a 12 year old boy in our community died after 1 day of having the flu, as he hadn't had his flu vaccine.

The flu vaccine isnt for all strains.  Its for one specific strain and this year they are saying that the vaccine that you are getting will not help if you get the flu because it is not for that specific strain.  A 12 year old dying from the flu is very sad and i feel for his family very much and they will be in my thoughts and prayers, but it is very unlikely that him getting vaccinated this year would have meant that he still would have not got the flu  because its not for the same strain. 

 I am just wondering you get your medical information because the flu vaccine helps to protect against more than one strain of Influenza.  How do you know that the strain of flu that this child contracted would not have been covered by the flu shot?  You need to get your facts strait before you make posts and comments such as this, especially against such a subject where a family lost a child.  You need to be more informed.

Jo Anna - posted on 02/27/2009

Quoting Rachel:

Quoting Kim:

This weekend, a 12 year old boy in our community died after 1 day of having the flu, as he hadn't had his flu vaccine.

The flu vaccine isnt for all strains.  Its for one specific strain and this year they are saying that the vaccine that you are getting will not help if you get the flu because it is not for that specific strain.  A 12 year old dying from the flu is very sad and i feel for his family very much and they will be in my thoughts and prayers, but it is very unlikely that him getting vaccinated this year would have meant that he still would have not got the flu  because its not for the same strain. 

Steph - posted on 02/27/2009

I understand everyone's concern about vaccinations. Look at is this way, I am 26 years old and Im up to date on ALL of my vaccines, now go back 26 years and see how many people you can find that have autism or other medical problems from  "vaccines", Im sure you wouldnt be able to find many people that have these conditions that are 20+ years old. I think that using vaccines as the cause for austism and other condition's is ridiculous. If everybody stopped having there kids vaccinated, we would have outbreaks of Measels, Mumps, Chicken pox, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis etc. I have 2 kids and I would NEVER think of not having them vaccinated.  It's the parents choice but I really think people need to stop pointing the finger at vaccines for these conditions. I know alot of schools will not allow kids go to public schools unless they are vaccinated and I stand behind that decision. Im sorry if I come off as some rude person and I really dont intend to come off that way.

Patricia - posted on 02/27/2009

I have a friend with a 4 year old son that was diagnosed with autism after a vaccination before age 2.  After many doctor visits, specialists, a lot of out of pocket expense the doctors have found this boy has extreme heavy metal poisoning.  The parents faught for their son and did not accept the standard answers or initial diagnosis.  After only a few treatments for heavy metal poisoning their son has started to respond for the first time in over 2 years. 

Gina - posted on 02/27/2009

I too am concerned about vaccinations, so much so that I have used homepathic prophylaxis with my youngest two children. My first child was vaccinated because the Australian Government bribes you to do so with an extra payment into your benefits if you do!!! being a single mum at the time and not knowing any better I went ahead, but did not continue after 18 months.  My children are very healthy and happy and I have no regrets.

Guggie - posted on 02/27/2009

Quoting Crystal:

I'm concerned, but I'm going with the straight math on this and am choosing to vaccinate.  Your child is statistically more likely to have a bad/serious experience (which may lead to life-long consequences or death) with these diseases than they are to have a serious reaction to the vaccinations.  Also, the autism link has been disproved and the researchers have retracted the study.

I'm concerned too, but the facts are that people who don't vaccinate may be putting their children at risk and allowing serious diseases to flare up again.

 

If you scroll down it says, under Decreases in Disease Risks:

s/pubs/pin...safety-508.pdf

Quote:
"This number exceeds
the current reported incidence of vaccine-preventable
childhood diseases. As a result, parents and providers in the
United States are more likely to know someone who has
experienced an adverse event following immunization than
they are to know someone who has experienced a reportable
vaccine-preventable disease. "

 

The herd immunity argument is the weakest argument for vaccinating. Herd immunity requires at least a 95% rate. There are 301 million people in the United States. Only children and medical personnel are routinely vaccinated (thus up to date). That accounts for less than 25% of our population.

 

Furthermore, many of the vaccines do not even claim to prevent transmission.

 

 

Quote:

The effects of whole-cell pertussis vaccine wane after 5 to 10 years, and infection in a vaccinated person causes nonspecific symptoms (3-7). Vaccinated adolescents and adults may serve as reservoirs for silent infection and become potential transmitters to unprotected infants (3-11). The whole-cell vaccine for pertussis is protective only against clinical disease, not against infection (15-17). Therefore, even young, recently vaccinated children may serve as reservoirs and potential transmitters of infection.

Quote:

Pertussis is considered an endemic disease, characterized by an epidemic every 2–5 years. This rate of exacerbations has not changed, even after the introduction of mass vaccination – a fact that indicates the efficacy of the vaccine in preventing the disease but not the transmission of the causative agent (B. pertussis) within the population [19].

Anyone looking for more information on the subject vaccinations can visit:

 

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/for...

 

Sarah - posted on 02/27/2009

Quoting Bridget:

Not all doctors are for immunizing.  Most D.R.'s are but not a lot of D.O.'s are because of their training.  Think of it this way:  if you were brought up in a home that thinks that Satan is the ruler/creator/God of the universe, you are probably going to defend him against people who say that Jesus is ruler/creator/God of the universe.  You will have a hard time accepting anything that anyone says to the contrary.  However, if you hear it long enough, you might start to reevaluate what you were taught and look into it more.  And, who knows, you might even find out that you were wrong but you're still going to doubt the facts because it's what you're used to.

Our "everyday" doctors might still be for vaccinations.  However, if you look at medical journals, there are articles continually questioning whether or not vaccinations are what their creators thought they'd be.  And it boils down to the actual process of administration.  You don't get any of these diseases directly through your blood stream.  But that's where they're administered.  God designed our bodies to fend off these diseases when exposed naturally, but they can't when vaccinated against.  And it isn't a true immunity so it doesn't last.  If they figured out how to give oral/inhaled vaccines, I would reconsider my stand.  But unil then, I'm not going to torture my children with all of those needles when they don't actually work.

Just like chemotherapy needs to be revisited.  My mom was diagnosed with cancer in October 2007.  She underwent radiation and chemotherapy and declared cancer free.  She went for her 3-month post-chemo appointment and came away still cancer free.  In two weeks, not only had her cancer returned, but she had a new type of cancer on top of it.  Why?  She had NO immune system.  In making sure that there were no more cancer cells lurking anywhere, they killed everything in the process.  So she was unable to defend herself against future attacks.  Now she's in chemo again.  And the cycle continues.  Cancer, AIDS, HIV, Herpes, and so many other "non-curable" diseases are being completely cured with herbs.  But since you can't kill someone with herbs and you can't patent them unless you contaminate them with chemicals, the FDA won't approve them.

It all boils down to how you want to treat your body and that of your children.  Do you mask symptoms to make them feel better or do you build up their arsenal to fight the actual thing making them sick.  Do you kill everything in their body to get the bad stuff or do you give them the tools to fight anything that comes their way?  I prefer to build on what God set in motion, using His tools, and have had great successes and will continue to do so until He tells us otherwise.

Very well put!

Sarah - posted on 02/27/2009

Quoting Bridget:

Not all doctors are for immunizing.  Most D.R.'s are but not a lot of D.O.'s are because of their training.  Think of it this way:  if you were brought up in a home that thinks that Satan is the ruler/creator/God of the universe, you are probably going to defend him against people who say that Jesus is ruler/creator/God of the universe.  You will have a hard time accepting anything that anyone says to the contrary.  However, if you hear it long enough, you might start to reevaluate what you were taught and look into it more.  And, who knows, you might even find out that you were wrong but you're still going to doubt the facts because it's what you're used to.

Our "everyday" doctors might still be for vaccinations.  However, if you look at medical journals, there are articles continually questioning whether or not vaccinations are what their creators thought they'd be.  And it boils down to the actual process of administration.  You don't get any of these diseases directly through your blood stream.  But that's where they're administered.  God designed our bodies to fend off these diseases when exposed naturally, but they can't when vaccinated against.  And it isn't a true immunity so it doesn't last.  If they figured out how to give oral/inhaled vaccines, I would reconsider my stand.  But unil then, I'm not going to torture my children with all of those needles when they don't actually work.

Just like chemotherapy needs to be revisited.  My mom was diagnosed with cancer in October 2007.  She underwent radiation and chemotherapy and declared cancer free.  She went for her 3-month post-chemo appointment and came away still cancer free.  In two weeks, not only had her cancer returned, but she had a new type of cancer on top of it.  Why?  She had NO immune system.  In making sure that there were no more cancer cells lurking anywhere, they killed everything in the process.  So she was unable to defend herself against future attacks.  Now she's in chemo again.  And the cycle continues.  Cancer, AIDS, HIV, Herpes, and so many other "non-curable" diseases are being completely cured with herbs.  But since you can't kill someone with herbs and you can't patent them unless you contaminate them with chemicals, the FDA won't approve them.

It all boils down to how you want to treat your body and that of your children.  Do you mask symptoms to make them feel better or do you build up their arsenal to fight the actual thing making them sick.  Do you kill everything in their body to get the bad stuff or do you give them the tools to fight anything that comes their way?  I prefer to build on what God set in motion, using His tools, and have had great successes and will continue to do so until He tells us otherwise.

Very well put!

Sarah - posted on 02/27/2009

Quoting Lisset:

Quoting Rachel:

I choose not to vaccinate my children and I feed them everything organic and make sure they take there vitamins/minerals/calcium/c and vitmain d.  My children have strong immune systems and are hardly sick.   I think that if you are going to get vaccines you should only do one at a time and only get the ones that really matter.  Chicken pox, flu and what not come on gimme a break, really some one can die from those, maybe if the parent is neglegent!!!! 

You don't have to be a negligent parent for your children to get any of these illnesses. Yes, chicken pox - you CAN die from it. I don't understand where people get their  information or lack of information rather, from. How do you think a lot of the Native Americans died??? Besides the fact that our ancestors killed off their food supply, a lot of their deaths occured because they had never encountered a "white man's" illness. One of the big ones being Chicken Pox otherwise known as "Small Pox." If a child does not get the Chicken Pox when they are young, and they contract it as an adult. They CAN die. It is a much stronger and rapidly developed strain of the virus.

 

I think every parent has the choice to vaccinate their child or not, but I don't think we should consider parents negligent if the kids get an illness. If a child contracts meningitis from a child they played with at school, and the parent assumes it's a cold, with flu-like symptoms and the child dies, is the parent negligent? I think not!

Um, chicken pox and small pox are not the same thing.  

Small Pox = Viruela

Chicken Pox = Varicela

Smallpox and chickenpox are caused by different viruses, and have different disease courses. Chickenpox, caused by the varicella-zoster virus, typically causes an acute bout of disease that resolves after several days, but the virus persists in the body for life.
Smallpox, causedby the variola virus, can cause life threatening illness, and often results in permamnent scarring of the tissue.
Smallpox is no longer present on the planet, except in a couple of laboratories, while chickenpox is worldwide.

Sarah - posted on 02/27/2009

Quoting Pamala:

Quoting JoAnn:

Is any one else concerned about all thes vaccinations?

I've always been skeptical about all the vaccinations that get pumped into infants. There are like 36 shots that are given within their first 2 years. I was born in a third world country and recieved only four and I have always had a strong immune system. After reading this article: http://generationrescue.org/survey.html, it has me even more concerned.

 

Nope not concerned at all. Vaccinations require only .01% of a child's immune system. The immune system works harder and is more exposed to infections and illness through breastfeeding than any immunization you can give.

The point of vaccinations is to prevent illness. If everyone stops or even if a percentage stops then diseases will start back up. Look at the Measles outbreaks. They're increasing. And because immunizations aren't 100% effective that means every parent should take into consideration when deciding to risk every other child's and adults life by not immunizing their child.

If I had it my way parents would have no choice in this matter.

The breastfeeding statement is ridiculous.  Breastfeeding protects babies it doesn't give them infections.

Breastfeeding and maternal infections

The role of breastmilk in the

prevention of transmission

 

The West Nile Virus (WNV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) have once again raised suspicions about the safety of infected mothers breastfeeding. Some health care professionals are adopting a "better safe than sorry" attitude, advising infected mothers to stop breastfeeding, despite the fact that there is no evidence that their breastmilk poses a risk to babies. This attitude fails to take into consideration the protective aspects of breastmilk for the baby and relies on the inaccurate assumption that breastmilk and formula are comparable.

 

Is formula just like breastmilk?

 

    Formula is only very superficially similar to breastmilk. While formula-fed babies can develop within normal parameters, epidemiological research indicates that they are at higher risk for developing diabetes - both juvenile and adult types - asthma, certain types of cancer, ear and upper respiratory infections, high blood pressure and obesity later in life. Formula fed babies also score lower on cognitive development scores than their breastfed counterparts.

 

Does stopping breastfeeding decrease the risk of the baby

getting the mother's infection?

 

    On the contrary, breastmilk contains dozens (if not hundreds) of immune factors that help protect the baby against infection. These include antibodies, white blood cells, factors that deprive bacteria of essential nutrients, fatty acids that attack certain viruses, and complement (a nonspecific immune response to infection). In addition, the damage of infection is due, to a large extent, to the inflammation that accompanies infection. Breastmilk contains several factors that decrease the inflammation of infection. Numerous studies have shown that babies exposed to microbes (viruses, fungi and bacteria) are less likely to get sick if they are being breastfed. In light of this evidence, the question that needs to be asked is why do health professionals persist in telling mothers that they must stop breastfeeding when they have an infection?

 

Bacteria and viruses in the blood

 

    In order to get into the milk, a virus or bacterium usually has to be in the mother's blood. Most viral infections do appear in the blood (viraemia), but in almost every case, this occurs before the mother even knows she is sick. Thus, if the mother already has symptoms, the time to stop breastfeeding, even if it were appropriate, has passed.

 

A mother who has bacteria in her blood is usually very ill, but the majority of bacteria that cause illness in the mother are bacteria to which the baby has already been exposed. The fact that some bacteria may appear in the milk does not increase the risk of the baby becoming ill. If the mother is capable of breastfeeding, she should continue.

 

Viruses and bacteria can also be spread by droplets (coughing or sneezing) or by touching infected sores. It is important to note that breastfeeding protects the baby against infection, regardless of the source.

The Stress factor

 

    Stress is another factor that can negatively affect the course of an infection. Removing a baby from the breast is stressful for both mother and baby and is not likely to improve a baby's capacity to fight infection. A baby is comforted, calmed, reassured by breastfeeding. So is the mother.

 

    An exclusively breastfed baby may refuse to take a bottle if temporarily weaned and run the risk of becoming dehydrated. In these cases, the very real threat of dehydration is infinitely more serious than the minute possibility that the baby will become ill.

 

West Nile Virus

 

    The only reported probable case of West Nile Virus (WNV) transmission through breastmilk has prompted many health professionals to advise that mothers sick with WNV should not breastfeed. What was overlooked in this case was that the baby did not get sick but instead developed immunities to the virus.  This is precisely the goal of immunization, and of breastfeeding for that matter. The baby gets the infection, but does not get sick and therefore becomes immune. 

 

Incidentally, West Nile Virus infection seems to be, as with many other viral illnesses (i.e. chicken pox, polio, hepatitis), less serious in infants and children than in adults.

 

What about SARS?

 

    The tremendous fear of  SARS caused many health professionals to immediately advise that infected breastfeeding mothers be separated from their babies. It has not been established that breastfeeding will protect the baby against SARS, but it is likely that those diagnosed with it have been too sick to breastfeed in any case. However, there is no reason to suspect that breastfeeding would not protect the baby against SARS, just as it does against most other infections.

 

    If the mother is physically capable, she should continue breastfeeding and wear a mask when she is near her baby to decrease the numbers of virus she could transmit. If the mother is merely a contact, then there is no question that she should neither be separated nor advised not to breastfeed.

Thanks to Jack Newman, MD, FRCPC

 

 

And  you wonder why we people today have so easily fallen into the
"planned" Aids epidemic ?!  It begins with that first shot after the baby is
born !  This begins to weaken the immune system, and destroy it.
Remember, a baby's immune system is  NOT  DEVELOPED  until the age
of  4.  And it  WON'T  develop, with all the vaccines that has been poured
into a child by that age  either !!   Nature gives us the 'perfect'  immune
system and the way for it to develop, when we are born.  When we take our
first breath in this polluted world, we begin to  "adapt"  NATURALLY,
THE  WAY  GOD  INTENDED  WHEN  HE  MADE  US.  This is how
the immune system becomes strong and develops.  Diseases  MUST
ENTER  THE  BODY IN  A  NATURAL  WAY  IN  ORDER  FOR
THE  IMMUNE  SYSTEM  TO  RESPOND  THE   RIGHT  WAY !!

So, your doctor tells you the "routine story" of how there's an 'outbreak'
of some childhood disease,  and you just  MUST  get your child vaccinated
NOW !!   DON'T  BELIEVE  HIM  !!   IT'S  PART  OF  THE
MANIPULATION !!

These  vaccinations  CAUSE   the  diseases !!

That's the only reason why they are still here !!

If every child GOT the childhood diseases as Nature intended (they
are very mild and treatable in children) -- none of those diseases would even
be around  today !!  Getting the  REAL  disease ( or exposure to it) as a
child, gives  LIFE  LONG  IMMUNITY !!  That's how God meant it to be,
because if an adult gets these diseases (and we are seeing a LOT  of this
happening now) ,  it can be deadly.  But getting them as a child, not only gives
life long immunity, but this is  HOW  diseases  die out  NATURALLY,
and they all would have, if this government had not come up with these
vaccines to keep the diseases going !

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Health_Co...

Heather - posted on 02/27/2009

I understand everyone's concerns when it comes to vaccinating our children. However, after working at a medical clinic for 5 years and now working with special needs children at a school for 3 years, the flip side can be very dangerous as well. The amount of pertussis (whooping cough) growing in our small community is scary. The population of children I work with now, have lowered immune systems as it is. If parents continue to not vaccinate their children, we could have a potential epidemic on our hands. There is a reason those vaccines were created. And yes, I understand what they are made of. However, you need to ask yourself how you will feel when your child is exposed to a potentially dangerous illness because they are not up-to-date with their vaccines? If you can answer that question with no doubt, then there is your answer.

Tamara - posted on 02/27/2009

yes, it is a parents rightful choice of whether they want ti immunise their child or not.. this should be respected as no one else should make this choice for them.

saying this.. for children who have not been immunised.. yes your children may be very healthy and hardly ever poorly. but whats to say they wont get one of the deadly diseases we immunise against? they can be just as easily caught as the common cold.

(this isnt meant as a dig at people who choose not to immunise)



my child has had all of the recommended immunisations, not chickenpox one or flu. he has had chicken pox already.



when he was 22 mths, he contracted a viral disease call meningeococcal septicemia. it is a bit like meningitis but mainly blood poisoning. he got the most deadly strand that there is no preventative immunisation for. if he hadnt had his jabs... he could have caught a differnent strand of the virus which is much worse than the one he got.. he may not have survived it.

on top of that he could have also got the strain of meningitis that we also immunise against.

i thank my lucky stars that my son survived this! he may not have if he had caught a different strain of the virus. he could have also lost his limbs, hearing, sight and mental capabilities! but he is as intelligent as he ever was and has no problems out of the illness he had!



there are so many pro's and con's when it comes to immunising your child. for me... the pro's outweigh the con's. my little angel might not have been here if he didnt have his jabs!



my advice to anyone would be to get your child immunised! i know it is a good thing from experience. but as i said earlier... the ultimate decision is yours..



i know i made the right choice for my little angel

Sara - posted on 02/27/2009

I am very concerned about it. My daughter was fully vaccinated until 4 years old. My son got shots until 2 months old and none since. He is now almost 2. He has a very strong immune system and never even gets sick when his sister does. I am planning on delaying them for a bit longer and then only getting the ones I think are necessary. I think that it is something def. worth reading more into.

Lisset - posted on 02/27/2009

Quoting Rachel:

I choose not to vaccinate my children and I feed them everything organic and make sure they take there vitamins/minerals/calcium/c and vitmain d.  My children have strong immune systems and are hardly sick.   I think that if you are going to get vaccines you should only do one at a time and only get the ones that really matter.  Chicken pox, flu and what not come on gimme a break, really some one can die from those, maybe if the parent is neglegent!!!! 

You don't have to be a negligent parent for your children to get any of these illnesses. Yes, chicken pox - you CAN die from it. I don't understand where people get their  information or lack of information rather, from. How do you think a lot of the Native Americans died??? Besides the fact that our ancestors killed off their food supply, a lot of their deaths occured because they had never encountered a "white man's" illness. One of the big ones being Chicken Pox otherwise known as "Small Pox." If a child does not get the Chicken Pox when they are young, and they contract it as an adult. They CAN die. It is a much stronger and rapidly developed strain of the virus.

I think every parent has the choice to vaccinate their child or not, but I don't think we should consider parents negligent if the kids get an illness. If a child contracts meningitis from a child they played with at school, and the parent assumes it's a cold, with flu-like symptoms and the child dies, is the parent negligent? I think not!

Sarah - posted on 02/27/2009

To everyone who has posted here. . . I was raised not to get vaccinations and waited until my son was in kindergarten to get his vaccines for school, and with my daughter waited until she was one year. I am a nurse in an inner city hospital and diseases that were once vaccinated against are coming back. It is a reality. Tuberculosis is back. We've had an increase in possible cases, as well as positive cases in which tons of staff were exposed. I'm suggesting you use extreme caution when you think that your child will never get any of these diseases. It is the same mentality of thinking that "I will never get in an accident, my child will never be kidnapped, my child will never get sick." Meningitis is also a reality. I take care of patients every day that have these diseases. If you take you child to the grocery store and pass someone who coughs on them that has something good luck protecting them from contracting it.

Kim - posted on 02/27/2009

I think that babies are given way too many vaccines at once at such a young age. For my daughter, I only let them give her two vaccinations at each well baby check, as long as she's healthy. If her body is fighting a sickness already, I don't get her vaccines. She is home with me and was breastfed, so her chances of catching something are limited. Some children do, for some reason, seem to be more likely to be affected by vaccines more than others. There's no way to tell which kids will be or won't be, so I don't take my chances. Once the three month checkups are done, I'll bring her in every three months to get two vaccinations until she is done with them.

Bridget - posted on 02/27/2009

Not all doctors are for immunizing.  Most D.R.'s are but not a lot of D.O.'s are because of their training.  Think of it this way:  if you were brought up in a home that thinks that Satan is the ruler/creator/God of the universe, you are probably going to defend him against people who say that Jesus is ruler/creator/God of the universe.  You will have a hard time accepting anything that anyone says to the contrary.  However, if you hear it long enough, you might start to reevaluate what you were taught and look into it more.  And, who knows, you might even find out that you were wrong but you're still going to doubt the facts because it's what you're used to.

Our "everyday" doctors might still be for vaccinations.  However, if you look at medical journals, there are articles continually questioning whether or not vaccinations are what their creators thought they'd be.  And it boils down to the actual process of administration.  You don't get any of these diseases directly through your blood stream.  But that's where they're administered.  God designed our bodies to fend off these diseases when exposed naturally, but they can't when vaccinated against.  And it isn't a true immunity so it doesn't last.  If they figured out how to give oral/inhaled vaccines, I would reconsider my stand.  But unil then, I'm not going to torture my children with all of those needles when they don't actually work.

Just like chemotherapy needs to be revisited.  My mom was diagnosed with cancer in October 2007.  She underwent radiation and chemotherapy and declared cancer free.  She went for her 3-month post-chemo appointment and came away still cancer free.  In two weeks, not only had her cancer returned, but she had a new type of cancer on top of it.  Why?  She had NO immune system.  In making sure that there were no more cancer cells lurking anywhere, they killed everything in the process.  So she was unable to defend herself against future attacks.  Now she's in chemo again.  And the cycle continues.  Cancer, AIDS, HIV, Herpes, and so many other "non-curable" diseases are being completely cured with herbs.  But since you can't kill someone with herbs and you can't patent them unless you contaminate them with chemicals, the FDA won't approve them.

It all boils down to how you want to treat your body and that of your children.  Do you mask symptoms to make them feel better or do you build up their arsenal to fight the actual thing making them sick.  Do you kill everything in their body to get the bad stuff or do you give them the tools to fight anything that comes their way?  I prefer to build on what God set in motion, using His tools, and have had great successes and will continue to do so until He tells us otherwise.

Bridget - posted on 02/27/2009

Quoting Suzi:

Vaccination is important for the health and well being of your child. It enables your child to build antibodies, giving them long term protection against harmful diseases. These diseases have a more significant impact on infant health as opposed to adults who have a well developed immune system. If you have children that are allergic to eggs from which many vaccines are developed it is recommended that they still get immunised but under the watch of a doctor in a monitored setting. Its important to not let scare tactics from people that are ill informed determine your decision to vaccinate or not. Although many diseases have been erradicated, they have only been done so because of vaccination on a large scale. The risk of not vaccinating is that there is a risk of these diseases returning. The introduction of new vaccinations have also been because new deadly viruses are emerging, also vaccinations are introduced to give children a better start in life i.e. vitamin K. If you have concerns about vaccination the best person to speak to is your general practitioner, they will explaint he risks dependant on your child's individual case.

You do NOT receive long-term protection against the diseases.  That's one of the problems:  you don't have a true immunity.  Most of the vaccines you received as a child have done their damage and there is nothing to show for it.  A simple blood test by your doctor will show you what you have natural immunities against and if you haven't been exposed in the usual way (i.e. airborne, fecal/oral, etc.) you won't have any immunity at all.  So if you want true immunity that does last a lifetime, the only way to get it is to be exposed to the live disease, not through an injection that circumvents your body's natural defense mechanisms.

Diane - posted on 02/27/2009

my son was vaccinated in the 90's their was a scare about vaccination at the time but my four daughters had had it so i went ahead .He is now nine and diagnosed with aspergers syndrome, im not saying the vaccinations caused it but sometimes i do wonder.alot of boys his age around his age have been diagnosed with autisum.Its just made me think more about what really happened in the 1990's and why england won't realise any information about it.

Caroline - posted on 02/27/2009

I live in Belgium (Europe) and I have the same concerns as you all. Because I don't know better (I haven't studied for doctor), i follow the schedule the doctor prescripes. In Belgium we are obligated to give the POLIO vaccination or otherwise we get the police at our door. Other vaccinations are followed up by an governemental-institute and these vaccinations are free of any costs... It looks like we don't have a choice, everyone I know vaccinates their children. Shouldn't the gournement or doctors be alarmed by now if it there are indeed great healthrisk??

Suzi - posted on 02/27/2009

Vaccination is important for the health and well being of your child. It enables your child to build antibodies, giving them long term protection against harmful diseases. These diseases have a more significant impact on infant health as opposed to adults who have a well developed immune system. If you have children that are allergic to eggs from which many vaccines are developed it is recommended that they still get immunised but under the watch of a doctor in a monitored setting. Its important to not let scare tactics from people that are ill informed determine your decision to vaccinate or not. Although many diseases have been erradicated, they have only been done so because of vaccination on a large scale. The risk of not vaccinating is that there is a risk of these diseases returning. The introduction of new vaccinations have also been because new deadly viruses are emerging, also vaccinations are introduced to give children a better start in life i.e. vitamin K. If you have concerns about vaccination the best person to speak to is your general practitioner, they will explaint he risks dependant on your child's individual case.

Ellen - posted on 02/27/2009

I did the vaccination to my baby boy, I was born in a developing country like you where I hardly heard about meningitis but since living abroad and read news that quite few babies got meningitis virus had to be amputate , it also concerned me. About issue the MMR jab can cause autism I don't really know but my friend in my country who works for autistic children told me that it is not because of the jab/vaccine. Well a month ago I read on the news that autism can be soon detect since baby in a womb.

Link to read http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/773619...



And because of that issue lots of mum didn't want to vaccinate their baby increase the number of baby died. I don't want to patronise but for me the best thing for my baby is to vaccinate, anything can be happen from airborne disease to a deadly virus which not affect adult but can be very serious for baby who just develop immune system, don't want to risk it.

Kathleen - posted on 02/26/2009

One final thing that bothers me is when people try to dismiss these diseases as mild, or claim that the risk of getting sick with them is better than the risk of developing a complication from a vaccine. According to the AAP, two in ten people who contract tetanus die from it. One in a hundred babies under two months who get pertussis (whooping cough) die from it. The diseases we vaccinate against are extremely dangerous, even deadly. Vaccination is a much better option.

Kathleen - posted on 02/26/2009

I'm not going to judge anyone who says they choose not to vaccinate. Vaccines are not for everyone. Some people’s personal and family histories will indicate they pose a greater risk of developing a reaction to a vaccine, and in these cases it is perfectly reasonable that they do not vaccinate. What really irks me is when these people take their personal experience to make a blanket statement to others saying they also should not vaccinate. It is a personal decision relative to you and your child’s personal health to be discussed with you and your physician and no one else can tell you that you shouldn’t vaccinate based on their own personal condition. I know personal experience is a very strong influential factor for most people, but it does not give you the right to thrust your opinions on some one else, or decide that what happened to you must happen to them also.



Vaccinating is the right decision for the majority of people. The only exception is when a child's medical condition makes it especially dangerous. Yes there is a risk of side effects but as many people and organizations constantly point out, the benefits far outweigh the risks. Millions of children are vaccinated every year without developing serious complications. The risk of contracting one of the diseases these vaccines protect against is much more likely than encountering side effects from them.

Kathleen - posted on 02/26/2009

Another thing posters are doing is using the terms “I think” or “I feel” when referring to how they think vaccinations affect their children. How vaccinations actually affect children is not a matter of opinion; it is something that has been and still is being researched, and you can actually look up the very real and factual side effects and risks of vaccinating, and what their chances of occurring are. When a poster says something like, "I feel that taking many vaccinations at once is too hard on a baby's immune system," I ask, how did you formulate that opinion? What research can you quote to back you up? Do even know the reason physicians recommend giving multiple vaccinations to babies? Or did you simply come up with that opinion because it “makes sense”?

Kathleen - posted on 02/26/2009

Proponents of not vaccinating also keep saying “do the research”. I ask, how can you possibly make an informed decision on such a complex topic as this without going to medical school, and furthermore without specializing in vaccines on top of that? You cannot. There is far more information and knowledge involved in the matter than any one person can consume in a few hours spent on the internet or reading articles and books in their free time. Any information that you do find on the topic is going to be so simplified that it cannot help but be biased. Furthermore, even the people with degrees doing the research do not know everything and are learning more everyday, otherwise they would be out of a job. How do you know the “research” you are finding is not the result of some people taking the fears of a few parents and capitalizing on it, supporting their fears with “evidence” that they pick out specifically from a myriad of sources and publish it in order to make fast money on a trend?



Speaking of fears, I think it's interesting that a lot of people have been dismissing various arguments on the premise that they're just "fear tactics," trying to scare people into a choice. Yet both sides of the debate are doing it. Just an observation.