Mixed about getting my kids the H1N1 vaccine

Danielle - posted on 10/20/2009 ( 84 moms have responded )

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I have heard mixed reviews about the H1N1 vaccine. I am not sure if it is safer to vaccinate my children or to ride the season out. If you have had your children vaccinated, how has the experience been thus far? If you are not getting your child vaccinated can you tell me why?

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Quoting Renee:

Just my opinion- DON"T DO IT! It is FULL of thimersol- which is mercury- many, many times past the advised DANGEROUS amt. This is what is believed by many to be a factor in many kids autism- esp the ones who suddenly change at 15 mos after the second MMR. Don't do it! I saw my kids literally change overnight and I KNOW that was hugely contributory. Just stress handwashing and stay away from ppl you know that are sick.


There are versions of the vaccine available without thimerosal (both the nasal and a shot version). But "thimerosal" is not the same as "mercury" - its a mercury compound that has different properties that mercury does. It does not cause autism. And there isn't a dangerous amount of it in the vaccine anyway - there's about 5 times more mercury in a tuna sandwich than there is thimerosal in the flu vaccine. But like I said, if thimerosal makes you uncomfortable, you can request a preservative-free version of the vaccine. I completely agree that handwashing is important, but since flu viruses are spread through the air, it may not be enough.

Jodie - posted on 10/20/2009

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i went and asked my doctor and she said not to worry about it too much, Its not yet perfected and you can still maybe get sick.
My doctor has not even had the shot, she also said that the governments are pushing for people to get them because they have so many batches made up and need to get rid of it.

Holly - posted on 10/20/2009

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i definitely would not do this. what is really in it and what has it been tested on and has it been proven effective? the vaccine is probably worse off than the flu itself. people die of the flu each year. it's a form of fear from the government and mind control. get what is absolutely necessary but don't jeopardize your child's future health so you're doctor can get paid. it's medicine, yes...but it's also a business on the other end of the spectrum.. just my opinion. good-luck!

Marisol - posted on 10/22/2009

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Hi Danielle,



I'am a mother of two healthy children (6 & 8) who have never been vaccinated. Of course I will not have my kids vaccinated against H1N1 because there IS NO epidemic (except maybe an epidemic of fear and money). This vaccin has never been tested and nobody knows its potential side effects. Even worse, swine flu vaccines have nothing to do with public health and everything to do with generating billions of dollars in profits for Big Pharma. To learn more :http://www.naturalnews.com/026590_swine_...

and also if you read French here my link to know more arguments : www.marisolstevenson.com Have a great day.

Ashley - posted on 10/21/2009

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Quoting april:



Quoting Rena':

My daughter came to me yesterday with the same concern, even after she spoke with her children's pediatrician. Their pediatrician, who is the same one that took care of my daughter and her brother and now is taking care of my grandchildren, is watching the outcome of this vaccine very closely with the children he's vaccinated. His opinion - it's entirely up to the parent. It isn't an necessity, but a call a parent must make. I told my daughter this, when you come across a situation such as this, follow your instincts when it's concerning your child(ren). You are a better judge of their health than anybody. If you're not completely with anything concerning the welfare of your child, don't do it. Why would you put your child under something that even you yourself is not sure of? Nothing is 100% safe or germ-free; nothing. You can give a child all the "health-proofing" you want, but it's not a guarantee that they won't get sick. No matter where you take your child, there's germs and bacteria that we don't even think of. Consider all of the people you've had in your house. Consider the grocery store when you take your child shopping with you. Even the doctor's office, if you will. If your instincts are not 100%, don't do it. If you're a good mother and you're doing the best you can with what you got, your instincts are a better gauge than anything any doctor or anyone else can tell you.





rena, I was at the peds office for my twins' 2 year well check-she advised the exact same way!  I have 5 kids, ages 9 and younger. I read in their regular flu vaccine info that the 1976  h1n1 vaccine was linked to guillian-barre syndrome, and that has made me very nervous about getting this one. I dont have much info on the disorder or the percentages. I just encourage every mom out there to get opinions from people you trust on/doctors on what they will do for their own kids and why.  thanks!






April,



When I first heard of the H1N1 outbreak in 1976, I too learned of the Guillan-Barre Syndrome possibility.  I also read that it was a 1:1,000,000 chance.  I know that it is still scary, but again, that is the vaccine from 1976.



Just figured I'd add that!



Happy choosing mamas!  :)

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Christine - posted on 10/24/2009

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i am in the same position i am going back and fourth over weather to give my daughter the vaccine i am looking for help deciding what are the side effects if any ???????

Holly - posted on 10/23/2009

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Hello my son is 21 months old and has H1N1 and he is fine. He had a temp of 103 that spiked to 104 for about 10 minutes last night. I called his doctor and he had me bring him into the office today. His doctor never even mentioned getting this shot and I am against it anyways.



My suggestion is to NOT get this shot. It is just a media fueled frenzy. I will not get my son any seasonal shots. I wash my hands and wash everything I can in hot water and disinfectant. I feed my son good homemade food and foods straight from the garden or fresh produce. If your child eats right and you take good care of your children then you don't need seasonal shots.

Lydia - posted on 10/23/2009

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In grappling with the decisions of what vaccines to give my son, I have found "The Vaccine Book" by Dr. Sears to be really helpful. It is straight forward, objective, and provides information about the ingredients of vaccines, how they are made, why people chose them or not, and how common or rare a disease may be. His book has a chapter on the seasonal flu vaccine and his website, www.thevaccinebook.com includes updates on the H1N1 vaccine. His website features the ingredients of the different types of H1N1 vaccine, with his advice to seek out a mercury free vaccine. On the question of whether or not pregnant women should receive the H1N1 vaccine he responded:



"This is a little scary. The flu shots are ALREADY recommended for pregnant and nursing moms, BUT (and this is a really huge but) the vaccine product inserts make it very clear that the regular flu vaccines have never been tested on pregnant or nursing women to determine if there is any harm to fetuses or young babies (with one exception – the Flumist nasal spray brand did have some testing in this area, BUT not enough, as is stated in the product insert).



Despite this complete lack of research, it is recommended for these moms anyway. Anyone see a problem with that? If you do get a flu shot, at least make sure it is mercury free (or at least only TRACE mercury)." (www.thevaccinebook.com)



Presently I am three months pregnant. I feel really torn about whether to get this vaccine for myself or for my 16 month old son. As a stay at home mom and an organic farmer, I do all I can to eat well, get fresh air, and strive towards practices that will enable my family to have strong, healthy immune systems. Still, I realize healthy people do get sick and do die, from the H1N1 flu and many other diseases. So still, I grapple with this decision. The comments, from all perspectives, here are helpful and interesting to read. I am thankful for this space where moms from all over can have a chance to share opinions. Best wishes to all.

Tabitha - posted on 10/23/2009

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Oh I forgot to mention that the ICU floors are bombarded with H1N1 patients. they are also getting MRSA to boot. I think about the infants that have died and the 5 year old that was only throwing up had no fever and died when she was at taken in for treatment.

Tabitha - posted on 10/23/2009

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Right now my daughter is too young for the H1N1 Shot. So Since I am in the medical field and get exposed everyone will be getting it that lives in the house. We have had 16 deaths in New mexico majority of them young people; babies, children and young adults without underlying health conditions. I don't want to risk that.

Laura - posted on 10/23/2009

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I thought the pneumonia was viral and not bacterial which would mean that antibiotics would be useless against this illness, correct? And, once it gets deep into the lungs, it's too late. what about anti-viral drugs to treat it?

Lily - posted on 10/22/2009

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I wont get it, because the side effects are very dangerous for our kids healt, check the TAMiflu information and you'll understand me.

Chrystle - posted on 10/22/2009

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This is an artical about vaccine please read hope it helps...



Swine Flu detailed update David Katz M.D.-warning, DO NOT VACCINATE-opinion

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Hi All,



I sent out a serious warning about the Swine Flu vaccine program to all of you last night. But, in the urgency of the moment I did not have the time to properly explain the basis for my concerns.



(For those of you who might not know, I have a long research history and direct involvement in this field since the early 1970s -- so my speculations and concerns are far from "idle.")



You deserve to know the details of my concerns, and why I have these concerns -- So here goes:



In response to several follow-up questions that I have received since my vaccine warning letter of last evening, I have prepared some thoughts to further explain my position on this issue.



Some people asked if I thought this Swine Flu problem could become a pandemic. The short answer is that I do not believe swine flu is going to create a pandemic of any significance.



(Remember, classification as a pandemic is not based on total numbers of patients involved -- it is based on total numbers of distinct countries which have diagnosed patients of any number -- large or small. Example, twenty countries with 10-15 patients each = pandemic!)



My concern about the vaccine is twofold: First, it was "fast-tracked" into production (always dangerous in the field of vaccinology) with a virus strain known to be associated with potentially long-lasting neurological side effects.



Second, it is being focused for priority use in young children and pregnant mothers -- populations far more vulnerable to potential adverse reactions than mature adults.



(Using this in pregnant women is particularly alarming to me, since there is no knowledge, or data, about what could happen to the developing fetus of pregnant mothers receiving this vaccine. Without such information, I find the uncontrolled administration of a "new" vaccine to pregnant women unconscionable! That lack of information is precisely what led to the Thalidomide catastrophe back in the early 1960s! In the worst case scenario, I think that we may be facing another potential Thalidomide disaster by administering this particular vaccine to pregnant women -- and we will only realize that outcome too late! )



The real danger of a swine flu infection is failing to recognize its presence early enough. However, because of the widespread public knowledge and concern about this infection, I would bet that early recognition (even over- and/or - misdiagnosis) will be the "rule."



It is also important to remember that the severity and deaths in flu-infected patients is caused by the secondary bacterial pneumonia that the virus initiates -- so early diagnosis and early initiation of proper antibiotic therapy to control the pneumonia should minimize the impact of this infection on affected patients (young or old).



Given the choice, I would opt for dealing with the flu -- rather than risking the potential dangers of the vaccine reactions (for which little or nothing can be done)!



Simply put, the risk of vaccine-related adverse events far outweighs the benefit of being vaccinated -- especially since a flu-infected patient can be easily managed with proper, and judicious medical care!



A deformed offspring has a totally different, and unfathomable, management problem -- for a lifetime!



And since no one knows if, or to what extent, this may happen -- the risk should be totally avoided!



That is what I pledged to follow when I took my Hippocratic Oath when I graduated Medical School in 1968.



I hope this helps to add clarity to my concerns. I am happy to provide you with any additional thoughts about this situation if you so wish.





David

Laura - posted on 10/22/2009

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Quoting Krista:

im guessing you are all from america, cos in australia no children under 10 are allowed to get it. maybe you should ask your doctors why that is?



yes, i'm from USA.  maybe it is because the vaccine in other countries have adjuvants in them???  interesting...

Firebird - posted on 10/22/2009

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We don't do flu shots in this house and we won't be getting the H1N1 shot either.

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Quoting Laura:



Quoting Krista:

im guessing you are all from america, cos in australia no children under 10 are allowed to get it. maybe you should ask your doctors why that is?






yes, i'm from USA.  maybe it is because the vaccine in other countries have adjuvants in them???  interesting...





It's because they haven't completed their clinical trials in children:



http://www.healthemergency.gov.au/intern...



Can children have Panvax® H1N1 vaccine?



At present, Panvax® H1N1 vaccine is not approved for use in children under the age of 10 years. Clinical trials in children have not yet been completed but information from these trials should be available soon.

Adults and older children getting vaccinated will reduce the risk of younger children in the household getting infection.



Should I wait and get vaccinated with my children?



No. By getting vaccinated now you are already starting to protect your children by reducing the chance of you getting the pandemic flu and passing it on to them. If all people 10 and older have the pandemic flu vaccine there will be a lot less chance of it spreading to children and to other people who are already sick.

Laura - posted on 10/22/2009

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Quoting Krista:

im guessing you are all from america, cos in australia no children under 10 are allowed to get it. maybe you should ask your doctors why that is?



yes, i'm from USA.  maybe it is because the vaccine in other countries have adjuvants in them???  interesting...

Laura - posted on 10/22/2009

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Quoting Krista:

im guessing you are all from america, cos in australia no children under 10 are allowed to get it. maybe you should ask your doctors why that is?



yes, i'm from USA.  maybe it is because the vaccine in other countries have adjuvants in them???  interesting...

Shelley - posted on 10/22/2009

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I'm getting it for Casandra but waiting for the shot. I heard from a friend that the nasal spray has made some kids mildly sick. I think the flu goes around the school alot. Since she is school age I'm getting it for her.

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im guessing you are all from america, cos in australia no children under 10 are allowed to get it. maybe you should ask your doctors why that is?

Laura - posted on 10/22/2009

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I think there is a preservative-free version of the H1N1. Like I said in an earlier post, I assumed that the regular flu vaccine given to my kids was mercury free,but I found out after the fact, that I was wrong in that assumption. Ask your doc first!!
PS - Would you recommend vitamins C & D as well as probiotics? How do we boost our immune systems besides vitamin C and eating well, etc.

Maria Regina - posted on 10/22/2009

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I just read an article (mercola.com) that the flu shot ( H1N1 included) is one of the last vaccines that contain thimerosal (mercury based preservative). If just for this reason, I would not have it administered to myself or my children. I am a holistic nutrition consultant and I firmly believe your best defense is beefing up your immune system which is cheaper, safer, and much more beneficial to your entire being.

Laura - posted on 10/22/2009

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Even though I'm a stay at home mom with two small children who are not in daycare, I still worry about playgroups, church cry rooms, etc. I think we're damned if we do; damned if we don't.

Julia - posted on 10/22/2009

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I have 2 children and I am a stay at home mom and here are my thoughts, if your children are old enough to be in school or are in day care of any sort, get them vaccinated. You do not have the right to put other peoples children at risk, I also would suggest children and pregnant women get the shot instead of the nasal injection, but if you are in neither of these categories, please let the people who NEED the shot get it.

Anestacia Reyna - posted on 10/22/2009

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Anyone who is considering not to do it... I suggest you do your research... Yes, every someone dies from the flu... someone dies from cancer, someone dies from heart disease... but, if you had the opportunity to prevent it... why not take it. On one extreme, you might save their lives... even if they some other conditions... at least they are still alive.



the swine flu, as for the government is taking necessary precautions to save you... yes someone will make money somewhere.. but do your reasearch and understand how vaccines are made and why they are important.



As a society, our generations are living much longer than those before us. What's killing us is the food industry... I find it funny when some moms wont give their child a vaccine that could save their lives... when... coke, candy, chips, junk food... could do more harm later. 1 wont hurt but habit will... so for you moms who give their child juice... you might as well give them a soda...



Please ladies educate yourselves... your child is worth it... it doesnt hurt to be prepared... we are dealing with the swine flu that is as common as the regular... But, how healthy is your body in fighting against the swine flu or any other. That's the biggest question? Do your children have optimum health? Do they eat 5 servings of veggies a day... right about of protein and complex carbs?



As for the woman who wont give it to her baby... but will get it herself... 2 things... I think it's selfish not to... but you're gonna get the vaccine. However, if you are breast feeding... you're gonna give it to her in some form or fashion... that will actually help her immune system if you still choose not to vaccinate your baby.

Lauren - posted on 10/22/2009

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I'm not vaccinating the baby, but am planning to vaccinate myself. I have serious concerns about the vaccine being rushed through approval by the FDA, and its lack of testing. She had the regular flu shot - which some studies suggest help protect against H1N1. She doesn't go to daycare, so my doctor suggested that if my husband and I get vaccinated, she has a hugely reduced chance of contracting it.

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Here's a good article I suggest you read: http://truthiscontagious.com/2009/10/19/...

Also, go on mercola.com and type in swine flu vaccine or something like that and you will get tons of info!

I would not suggest getting the vaccine. I would suggest getting your levels of vitamin D tested in you and your children and taking the appropriate dose to get your immune system ready for winter. At least go by D3 and take 2,500 IUs a day. Infants need about 400 IUs and older children need at least 1,000 IUs. You can get all of this info on mercola.com too. I've been doing lots of research lately on vitamin D and it's benefits are amazing! Good luck!

Crystal - posted on 10/22/2009

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i got my 10 month old both his swine flu and regular flu shots this morning. i don't think it's worth the risk. this crap is everywhere i am so paranoid everytime i leave the house. thank god for sani wipes for shopping carts now. i will let you know if he has any side effects. but the way i see it is i rather risk an upset tummy for a side effect than loose my baby to something that could be prevented

Laura - posted on 10/22/2009

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I always hesitate signing the releases when my children get vaccinated. They are all full of risks!

Patty - posted on 10/22/2009

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If you are seriously considering it, ask for the release you have to sign for your child to get it. Take it home and really read it -- these side effects are all possibilities, that's why you have to sign. I would recommend building your child's own immune system up through healthy foods, beverages and exercise and leave the vaccinations for the risk-takers.

Laura - posted on 10/22/2009

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That is so horrible that you've seen young children die of this illness. In your opinion, it is effective...even if it mutates. Thanks for your reply!

Ramona - posted on 10/22/2009

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Let me just say this: if you have seen more than one young person die of the H1N1 strain of flu then you would be getting vaccinated!! Especially since 25% of deaths from the swine flu have been in pregnant women. I am a physician.

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Quoting Jenifer:




Quoting Laura:

Hello. I'm not an authority on this issue and am really torn about the vaccination as well. What I can say is that the H1N1 has additional ingredients in it that the regular seasonal flu vaccination does not. They are called adjuvants and they are used to stretch the vaccination so that they can make more of it because it is considered a pandemic situation. These additives are proven to be bad for our health. Squalene is an adjuvant that is used in the vaccination, but is not approved for use in the USA. However, I believe that there is adjuvant in the USA's version under a different name. This is what concerns me. I got my kids the seasonal flu vaccination (with mercury in it - unknowingly!). Thanks!







The US version of the flu vaccine does not contain adjuvants (i.e. no squaliene, sometimes called MF59, nor aluminum salts). Adjuvants are used in flu vaccines in other countries, but not in the US. If you're interested in the vaccine ingredients, you can look over them here:








http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBl...









Thank you for clarifying. I have to admit that reading the package info is scary.  It actually discloses that they do not know the safety in pregnant/breastfeeding woman.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to state that it is only effective in about 50% of people who get the vaccination and if it mutates, you would not be protected, which is true of the regular flu vaccine.  ???





It is true that if the H1N1 flu mutates significantly, the vaccine will no longer be effective. That's true with the seasonal flu vaccine, too, and also of immunity you'd get from actually catching the virus. That's why you can get the flu even if you were vaccinated for or contracted the previous year's flu. The last update I'd seen from the CDC indicated that H1N1 had not yet started to mutate, but it is possible later in the flu season.



Effectiveness is tricky - because the flu can mutate or you can catch a strain not vaccinated for, the effectiveness of flu vaccines is lower than other vaccines. Some people avoid it for that reason, but for me personally, I think the likelihood of a vaccine reaction is so low that I still get it. Even if it doesn't prevent you from catching the flu, it will likely make your case of the flu milder than it would be otherwise - and that's really the purpose of the flu vaccine, to decrease the likelihood of serious complications. Effectiveness percentages range from ~30-90% depending on how it is measured and how well the vaccine matches the season's predominant circulating strain. The good news is that we know that the vaccine is a good match for the current flu virus.



And the nursing/pregnant women part is partly true - they did a clinical trial in pregnant women, but obviously it wasn't long enough to observe the moms through delivery just yet. So this particular version of the flu vaccine hasn't had the testing completed, but previous years' flu vaccines (where the only difference is the dead virus) have been tested extensively, both in nursing mothers and pregnant women. The recommendations for pregnant women to get the vaccine are based on the safety of previous years' flu vaccines.

Laura - posted on 10/22/2009

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The US version doesn't have squalene, but it doesn't mean the vaccination is safe. I'm actually regretting getting my kids the regular flu shot this year. I never do flu shots, but was talked into it by my doctor and at the time, I didn't know he was going to administer the one with mercury. So scary!

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My family has already had swine flu. It really is no big deal and behaves much like a four day cold. Fever (not high), sore throat, cough, and sometimes body aches. Many, many kids in my children's schools have had it. Some schools have closed in our area. Doctors are no longer testing for it when people come in because it is no widespead. No one is dieing, and very few are even very sick. I would have not under any circumstances gotten this vaccine. The Mercery in the shot is very, very concerning to me. It has many times the recommended toxic level and you injecting it into the blood stream where your body cannot naturally filter it as it would if you ingested it. Also Squaline is very concerning as many link it to Gulf War Syndrome. This vaccine has many times more squaline than the vaccine attributed to Gulf War Syndrome. This info was all stated by a concerned Doctor and vaccine specialist on Fox News that was mentioned earlier. Really this virus for 99% of people is no big deal. It is being hyped. Pharm companies have billions invested in these vaccines and don't want to waste their money and efforts. Our doctor said to just get swine flu (as in have a swine fly party) because it is an easy illness. Chicken pox is much harder and carries statistically more complications. Anyway, we caught this bug naturally (we didn't have a party). We now have natural immunity if it happens to mutate into something worse. Educate yourselves before getting this shot. All of this info is online. By the way, accourding to the package insert (which I could e-mail to whoever wanted it) this was NOT tested on pregnant women an they don't know the effects to unborn babies. Be very cautious, pray about your decision, and really study this before getting the shots. For us the risk of the shot was far worse than the risk of the illness. Hundreds in my small Idaho community have had swine flu. Perhaps thousands. Many are not even requiring a Dr. visit or meds.

Laura - posted on 10/22/2009

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Quoting Jenifer:



Quoting Laura:

Hello. I'm not an authority on this issue and am really torn about the vaccination as well. What I can say is that the H1N1 has additional ingredients in it that the regular seasonal flu vaccination does not. They are called adjuvants and they are used to stretch the vaccination so that they can make more of it because it is considered a pandemic situation. These additives are proven to be bad for our health. Squalene is an adjuvant that is used in the vaccination, but is not approved for use in the USA. However, I believe that there is adjuvant in the USA's version under a different name. This is what concerns me. I got my kids the seasonal flu vaccination (with mercury in it - unknowingly!). Thanks!





The US version of the flu vaccine does not contain adjuvants (i.e. no squaliene, sometimes called MF59, nor aluminum salts). Adjuvants are used in flu vaccines in other countries, but not in the US. If you're interested in the vaccine ingredients, you can look over them here:






http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBl...





Thank you for clarifying. I have to admit that reading the package info is scary.  It actually discloses that they do not know the safety in pregnant/breastfeeding woman.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to state that it is only effective in about 50% of people who get the vaccination and if it mutates, you would not be protected, which is true of the regular flu vaccine.  ???

Laura - posted on 10/22/2009

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Quoting Jenifer:



Quoting Laura:

Hello. I'm not an authority on this issue and am really torn about the vaccination as well. What I can say is that the H1N1 has additional ingredients in it that the regular seasonal flu vaccination does not. They are called adjuvants and they are used to stretch the vaccination so that they can make more of it because it is considered a pandemic situation. These additives are proven to be bad for our health. Squalene is an adjuvant that is used in the vaccination, but is not approved for use in the USA. However, I believe that there is adjuvant in the USA's version under a different name. This is what concerns me. I got my kids the seasonal flu vaccination (with mercury in it - unknowingly!). Thanks!





The US version of the flu vaccine does not contain adjuvants (i.e. no squaliene, sometimes called MF59, nor aluminum salts). Adjuvants are used in flu vaccines in other countries, but not in the US. If you're interested in the vaccine ingredients, you can look over them here:






http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBl...





Thank you for clarifying. I have to admit that reading the package info is scary.  It actually discloses that they do not know the safety in pregnant/breastfeeding woman.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to state that it is only effective in about 50% of people who get the vaccination and if it mutates, you would not be protected, which is true of the regular flu vaccine.  ???

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I do not believe in either the flu vaccine nor hini vaccine for children. In fact my three year old didn't even get the MMR and 2 other shots for fear of the reactions. Now I have a 7 week old and not sure if I will follow the same path but definitely no flu or hini for children!

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Quoting Laura:

Hello. I'm not an authority on this issue and am really torn about the vaccination as well. What I can say is that the H1N1 has additional ingredients in it that the regular seasonal flu vaccination does not. They are called adjuvants and they are used to stretch the vaccination so that they can make more of it because it is considered a pandemic situation. These additives are proven to be bad for our health. Squalene is an adjuvant that is used in the vaccination, but is not approved for use in the USA. However, I believe that there is adjuvant in the USA's version under a different name. This is what concerns me. I got my kids the seasonal flu vaccination (with mercury in it - unknowingly!). Thanks!


The US version of the flu vaccine does not contain adjuvants (i.e. no squaliene, sometimes called MF59, nor aluminum salts). Adjuvants are used in flu vaccines in other countries, but not in the US. If you're interested in the vaccine ingredients, you can look over them here:



http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBl...

Laura - posted on 10/22/2009

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Quoting Lindsay:

I also have mixed emotions about the vaccine. I have a 6 month old and worry dailey about her getting sick. I have never gotten a seasonal flu vaccine in my adult life and have heard that the vaccine itself can make you sicker than the flu so i'm kind of ify about it. Like one of the posts before...people die every year from the seasonal flu and i'm not quite sure what the differences are between H1N1 and the seasonal flu...to me the symptoms seem to be the same. My precautions are to wash my hands regularly and pray that I don't get it. :o)



i think the difference between the regular flu and H1N1 is that it is getting deeper into the lungs at a faster rate, causing pneumonia...and that is what people are dying from.  the elderly are usually most affected by the regular flu and most often will die from complications such as pneumonia.  H1N1 is affecting younger people.  hope that helps!

Laura - posted on 10/22/2009

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Quoting Lindsay:

I also have mixed emotions about the vaccine. I have a 6 month old and worry dailey about her getting sick. I have never gotten a seasonal flu vaccine in my adult life and have heard that the vaccine itself can make you sicker than the flu so i'm kind of ify about it. Like one of the posts before...people die every year from the seasonal flu and i'm not quite sure what the differences are between H1N1 and the seasonal flu...to me the symptoms seem to be the same. My precautions are to wash my hands regularly and pray that I don't get it. :o)



i think the difference between the regular flu and H1N1 is that it is getting deeper into the lungs at a faster rate, causing pneumonia...and that is what people are dying from.  the elderly are usually most affected by the regular flu and most often will die from complications such as pneumonia.  H1N1 is affecting younger people.  hope that helps!

Laura - posted on 10/22/2009

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Hello. I'm not an authority on this issue and am really torn about the vaccination as well. What I can say is that the H1N1 has additional ingredients in it that the regular seasonal flu vaccination does not. They are called adjuvants and they are used to stretch the vaccination so that they can make more of it because it is considered a pandemic situation. These additives are proven to be bad for our health. Squalene is an adjuvant that is used in the vaccination, but is not approved for use in the USA. However, I believe that there is adjuvant in the USA's version under a different name. This is what concerns me. I got my kids the seasonal flu vaccination (with mercury in it - unknowingly!). Thanks!

Lindsay - posted on 10/22/2009

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I also have mixed emotions about the vaccine. I have a 6 month old and worry dailey about her getting sick. I have never gotten a seasonal flu vaccine in my adult life and have heard that the vaccine itself can make you sicker than the flu so i'm kind of ify about it. Like one of the posts before...people die every year from the seasonal flu and i'm not quite sure what the differences are between H1N1 and the seasonal flu...to me the symptoms seem to be the same. My precautions are to wash my hands regularly and pray that I don't get it. :o)

Marina - posted on 10/22/2009

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After talking this through with my daughters paediatrician we have decided not to go a head with the vaccine. Her paediatrician will not even give it to her own children or anyone else! The vaccine has only been tested for a few months when normally this would be for quite a few years. We were also told in detail what is in it. I know of other doctors who won't give it to their children and of professional workers in hospitals who won't have it. if you are unsure speak to your doctor then make the decision.

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well i know where i live the only people that are getting this h1n1 flu shot is peragent people right now no kids no one but peragent people i dont understand why that is but that is okay me personaly i dont think i am going to get it due to the fact that i have been around so many people that was sick or that have been around other with the swine flu and have not yet gotten sick and i am at the last stage of peragancy

Amy - posted on 10/21/2009

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Up until this year we have not even considered flu shots. But after having our daughter in June born 3 months premature we are all received the seasonal flu shot and my kids and I received the H1N1 the other day. After much research and talking to several dr.'s we feel very comfortable receiving the shots. The H1N1 is new but so our most seasonal flu shots. each year they pick and choose a few of what they think will be the most spread. Each the seasonal flu mutates and changes and the shots are changed to combat it. We also have stressed hand washing and my youngest son makes all his friends use the hand sanitizer when they come into the house.

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Hi All - I took our 10 year old triplet daughters in for their annual exam 3 weeks ago and the doctor told me that they just happend to have just rec'd the reg. flu shots and the mist for H1N1 recently so I talked with the doctor and my girls got both. They are doing fine so far. I hope this helps comfort others. Also, we prayed about this prior to going in so I felt comfortable with doing it.

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Quoting Rena':



Quoting april:




Quoting Rena':

My daughter came to me yesterday with the same concern, even after she spoke with her children's pediatrician. Their pediatrician, who is the same one that took care of my daughter and her brother and now is taking care of my grandchildren, is watching the outcome of this vaccine very closely with the children he's vaccinated. His opinion - it's entirely up to the parent. It isn't an necessity, but a call a parent must make. I told my daughter this, when you come across a situation such as this, follow your instincts when it's concerning your child(ren). You are a better judge of their health than anybody. If you're not completely with anything concerning the welfare of your child, don't do it. Why would you put your child under something that even you yourself is not sure of? Nothing is 100% safe or germ-free; nothing. You can give a child all the "health-proofing" you want, but it's not a guarantee that they won't get sick. No matter where you take your child, there's germs and bacteria that we don't even think of. Consider all of the people you've had in your house. Consider the grocery store when you take your child shopping with you. Even the doctor's office, if you will. If your instincts are not 100%, don't do it. If you're a good mother and you're doing the best you can with what you got, your instincts are a better gauge than anything any doctor or anyone else can tell you.







rena, I was at the peds office for my twins' 2 year well check-she advised the exact same way!  I have 5 kids, ages 9 and younger. I read in their regular flu vaccine info that the 1976  h1n1 vaccine was linked to guillian-barre syndrome, and that has made me very nervous about getting this one. I dont have much info on the disorder or the percentages. I just encourage every mom out there to get opinions from people you trust on/doctors on what they will do for their own kids and why.  thanks!









 Mothers, please!  Understand that this vaccine have everyone up in arms about what to do and what not to do.  Children are going to be children.  They put their hands everywhere, and then put their hands in their mouths and other things in their bodies whether you're with them or not.  Children crawl on the floors, some cleaner than others, even in your own home.  They pick up some of the most dispicable things off of the ground and in the grass, they can find some of the tiniest things to put in their mouths or up their nose or in their ears right in your own home and by some instinct that comes through, you turn around just in time to take it away from them before they put it in their mouths or nostrils or ears, only for you to find out it's something that can do them some irreparable harm.  They cough and sneeze on each other and YOU, and don't even try to cover mouth and/or nose.  Bless their little hearts, no two children are the same, even if they come from the same parents.  What may affect one child may not affect another.  Their metabolisms are totally different.  It's a call that only the parent can make concerning the health and well-being of their own.  All I'm saying is don't forget YOUR opinion and feelings in this matter concerning the physical welfare of your child(ren).  I quote, "Everthing that flows from the mouth of a doctor or nurse is not gospel.  Sometimes what YOU feel is the best for your child."  (Thank you, my children's doctor for that bit of advice to a young mother years ago - me).  Through my own experiences I've had with my children's health, their pediatrician (a very wise man), and a sister who's also in the medical field, medicine is research.  There's no such anything that the medical community can create to stop a virus from spreading with a sudden miracle vaccine.  It could possibly still spread to the one that's been vaccinated, who knows?  If that's the case, why don't we all stop listening to our own inner voice and go and get shot up whenever a doctor says so and be done with ever doing anything else to keep us healthy?  If the AMA says we need it, why consult with anyone?  Everthing that comes out of the medical community is not for everybody.  Some will build an immunity from the vaccine, some won't.  It's a decision, you, the parent, will have to make for your family.  If you want to vaccinate your child, then do so with the clear conscience that you've done the right thing.  If you have your reservations, all I'm saying is until you can clear your own conscience about it, don't do it simply because it's the thing to do.  As my mother used to say, "If someone wants to jump off a cliff, would you do it because they did it?"





 

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Quoting april:



Quoting Rena':

My daughter came to me yesterday with the same concern, even after she spoke with her children's pediatrician. Their pediatrician, who is the same one that took care of my daughter and her brother and now is taking care of my grandchildren, is watching the outcome of this vaccine very closely with the children he's vaccinated. His opinion - it's entirely up to the parent. It isn't an necessity, but a call a parent must make. I told my daughter this, when you come across a situation such as this, follow your instincts when it's concerning your child(ren). You are a better judge of their health than anybody. If you're not completely with anything concerning the welfare of your child, don't do it. Why would you put your child under something that even you yourself is not sure of? Nothing is 100% safe or germ-free; nothing. You can give a child all the "health-proofing" you want, but it's not a guarantee that they won't get sick. No matter where you take your child, there's germs and bacteria that we don't even think of. Consider all of the people you've had in your house. Consider the grocery store when you take your child shopping with you. Even the doctor's office, if you will. If your instincts are not 100%, don't do it. If you're a good mother and you're doing the best you can with what you got, your instincts are a better gauge than anything any doctor or anyone else can tell you.





rena, I was at the peds office for my twins' 2 year well check-she advised the exact same way!  I have 5 kids, ages 9 and younger. I read in their regular flu vaccine info that the 1976  h1n1 vaccine was linked to guillian-barre syndrome, and that has made me very nervous about getting this one. I dont have much info on the disorder or the percentages. I just encourage every mom out there to get opinions from people you trust on/doctors on what they will do for their own kids and why.  thanks!





 

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I am fighting breast cancer and saw my oncologist today. I asked him about getting the h1n1 vaccine and he told me I could but to wait for the vaccination, not the inhalant version. He said the nasal (inhalant) contains the 'live" H1N1 virus and I should not get that one. He said the injectable version contains the dead virus and works just as well. Those young ones and the adults whose immune systems have been compromised should not get the "live" version but should wait for the "dead" injectable version later on.

Kattianna - posted on 10/21/2009

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I am getting my son vaccinated. All of the "bad" things that I have heard have been for problems that came up when it was released back in the 70's. Everything that I have read about this time around has been good. No real reason not to if your child is small. Talk to your pediatrician. They can usually help the most.

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